INSANE Warp Speeds Compared (Transwarp, Slipstream, Spore Drive, etc)
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- There are some crazy fast speeds in Star Trek, from tens of thousands of times the speed of light to trillions of times the speed of light! Let's explore and compare the fastest of them all!
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That's equivalent to warp 10.
Aswell as warp in Star Trek online.
@@zulubravofoxtrot7327 but STO would have you believe that the federation is less than 50 ly big. When in First contact it is said that it is 8,000 long
@@outdoorsguy that's still warp speed and it's only used within our galaxy. Q doesn't need a ship and can travel anywhere in the universe instantly even to other dimensions. That's much faster than any other means of travel.
Wouldn't a wormhole technically be a shortcut rather than a speed increase? There no real speed change, it's just a by-pass.
Actually, Warp is also some kind of Shortcut. The Spacecraft itself never trevels faster then light. You "just" contracting space in front of and expanding space behind the spacecraft.
@@thebaldit2522 the way of propulsion doesn't matter. In this case the ship is "pulled forward" by space. The ship moves from one place to the next at a certain speed.
I think he means relative to people not moving, they are travelling at a blistering speed, but to them they are moving at normal speed through a shortcut.
Speed is distance over time. They maybe apparently traveling at warp speed through a wormhole, but it’s the distance traveled between the points on either side of the wormhole divided by the time it takes to travel from point to point that gives you your speed.
@@thebaldit2522 thats speed not a short cut
Ooh, what about in "The Gift" where Kes boosted Voyager past Borg space in about 15 seconds? 9,500 light years...
Good point
Psi power warp speed
@@jamesmayle4712
Go away with that nonsense.
Just hearing Picard say engage was satisfying enough to make this epjc lol
My favorite EXTREME Star Trek speed was Kirk getting the Enterprise A to the center of the galaxy and back in under a day through the power of will.
If by will you mean Shatner's ego.
It isn't will, it is the power of plot. It's easy to get those confused.
The spore drive takes the same amount of time to get from one point to another regardless of distance. It can even bring the discovery into another dimention
lol, so true. Also --- remember all those (133) jumps around the KLINGON'S Sarcophagus, the Spatial-Temporal math alone for equivalent speed boggles the mind!
I think humans can move at that speed
You forgot about the Q finger snap and the Caretaker array.
I was going to mention caretaker.
@@MrEscape314 caretaker is probably similar to the wormhole
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@@jamesmayle4712 shut up nutcase.
@@jamesmayle4712 why?
You missed ludicrous speed from Spaceballs. Warp 10 sounds like it was stolen from the Infinite Improbability Drive in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
I was waiting for a giant sperm whale and a bowl of petunias to suddenly appear in that episode.
@@ki5aok
Paris: Captain?
Janeway: Yes?
Paris: I think I'm a sofa.
Janeway: I know how you feel.
Thank you !!! I knew spore drive activation fart sounded familiar
@@JaxMerrick That big headed robot appears in the turbolift and says " I'm on Voyager ? Fine...what do i care?"
This isn't the speeds of every ship in sci-fi though, just star trek. But honorable mention to the Asgard from star gate sg1 in making a trip from Thier home galaxy to ours in minutes on earths first official encounter with them.
If you ever break the Warp 10 threshold, the writters of your show will forget how evolution works...
Yeah writters
Ya that was pretty silly. Even more absurd, is that some how a simple retrovirus injection and they are human again.
Back in science class, we accidentally transformed one of our friends into a fish when a needle slipped and hit him.
That was an extremely dumb episode, but that is a thing Voyager was known for lmao.
"I guess we could just replicate tons of this retrovirus stuff, leave a running log on the bridge explaining that we may have turned into salamanders but its all cool, and warp straight to the Federation's finest hospital...but nahhhhhhhh." - Janeway
You also forgot the Voyager's original trip to the Delta Quadrant. The Caretaker made Voyager make a 70,000 light year journey in just a minute or so.
And if you disqualify the Caretaker's trip, you have to disqualify the Traveller's trip.
Well as we clearly see here....Warp 10 is by far the fastest thing here....and it was done by a shuttle!!
It's also probably one of the most fastest speeds in all of Sci-fi
And Q giving the ENterpise D a first ecnounter with the Borg.
TitanBird567 can’t go faster if there is no faster
@@quarterstogether2005 And then just like that, the technology was shelved.
If you could reversed the de-evolution (they did when they reverted Paris and Janeway back to normal) then this is a very useful means of propulsion.
Simply stock the ship with a hundred hologram doctors to fix the crew when they get there. Maybe a few androids like Data. They would be immune.
Either that or find out what caused the de-evolution and fix the problem.
4:15 the network is not made of spores, the network is just mycelium, a sort of root system that can include many fungi, on a transuniverse scale. The spores, essentially seeds, are used as some sort of middle man to communicate and navigate the mycelium network.
The spores in the cube on Discovery is a base point, it is linked with the whole ship's structure, so when you make that spore to appear in other place it pulls discovery with itself.
The Spore Drive
is just Pseudoscience
4.4 million c
What a insane speed
Well, if Warp 10 is infinite velocity, Riker wins with his "Warp 13"
TOS had a warp 14 and apparently warp 36. One of these was in "By Any Other Name" when some intergalactic aliens modify the Enterprise.
@@lyrimetacurl0 Are they just everywhere in the universe three and a half times over?
It’s a name given to things above warp 9.99. 9.99 can be implied as warp 10. Warp 9.999 can be warp 11, so on and so forth
@@xaviervonalchin3698
Stop making excuses.
The writer simply thought "it's the future, let's make 13, because it's cool".
ChristianIce I get that. But I’m just stating something. No need to get mad
In TNG's "The Nth Degree" Barclay builds a drive that goes nearly 30,000 light years in 48 seconds of screentime. This is 19,720,000,000 c (19 billion).
In TNG's "When The Bough Breaks," the Enterprise is thrown away in 10 seconds. The distance is described as 3 days travel at warp 9. This puts it in the neighborhood of 40,000,000 c (40 million).
No ship involved, but in Voyage's "Prime Factors," there's transporters with a range of 40,000 light years that take about 4 seconds to dematerialize and rematerialize. This is 315,600,000,000 c (315 billion).
*edited with a few more*
I knew I was bound to miss a few!
Thanks for bringing these up!
How about that one time when Q pushed the car... I mean Enterprise?
Hah, I just replied with that one too (The Nth Degree).
Q pushing the entprise into the delta quadrant in a few seconds, Kes pushing voyager like 10,000 lightyears past borg space,
Voyager actually did alot of shortcuts. Including the finale they jumpt 8 times through.
In the beginning the initial move into the delta quadrant
The bug jump by Kes
Quantum Slipstream, twice (when they encounter Arturis, and then later on the large jump)
When they leave the Void (contact with the Malon)
Stolen Borg transwarp coil
Vaduvaar subspace corridors
Tosh's graviton catapult
Borg transwarp network
Oh and Q gave them some tips aswell.
And that are only the fast things Voyager did, Picard had some pushes over the years.
Voyager had quite a few encounters with faster than warp travel. The initial Caretaker incident, Kess's psychic boost at the end of Scorpion, the graviton catapult in The Voyager Conspiracy, and underspace in Dragon's Teeth are the ones I can think off the top of my head.
All very good points.
Also, the enhanced warp drive of the silver blood Voyager, and the "Biologically Enhanced" warp drive on the Equinox.
Christus Regnet I was just thinking of the equinox, I couldn't remember the name
Cane McKeyton: nicely done.
The reptilian Voth used transwarp.
Actually spore drive has no limits on distance, so it' s always about a few seconds
So what the cause of discovery sister ship incident the glenn?
@@repz9190 It was said they hit a "hawking radiation firewall" when exiting the mycelial plane that caused the ship to "spin out". Stammets used some technobabble involving the rotating saucer section on the Discovery with some minor alterations to the spore drive to ensure that never happened to the Discovery.
Yes i think discovery moves faster than the small trial jumps the glenn did.
@@jamesmayle4712 sounds boring. sounds like you've got no imagination.
And it can even breach dimensons, time, not just space.
Picard: My Ship reach Warp 9,999996.
Sam Carter: Hold my Zero Point Module.
umm.. no.. the enterprise d went past 2 other galaxies and ended up on the far side of a third m33.. sam would need something alot more powerful then a zpm.
Yeah, no Ancient/Alterran technology ever went anywhere near being near being near that speed. Ancient tech would seem ancient compared to these Star Trek speeds.
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@@SpidermanandJeny Told.
There's also the slipstream from Voyager episode _Timeless_ which seemed significantly faster than the original slipstream drive we saw in _Hope and Fear_ . That original slipstream drive would have taken them 3 months to get home (if those figures hold up in the fake Admiral's message) or about 10 days if the Voyager slipstream had held up, however the slipstream ride in _Timeless_ seems to take them only minutes, or a part of a single day at most.
Good one. Quantum slipstream, like transwarp seems to have different speeds.
The Voth had fast ships
I think the spore drives travel time is mostly its spin up time. It may not matter how far they are going, it would take the same amount of time no matter what.
David I believe that is a fact
Wow, let's hope no evil civilization ever gets that technology. One moment you live happy and in peace, next moment some dude from the other side of the universe nukes your planet. Yeah, that's how nonsensical this "drive" is.
Skalzam Yup. That's why "jump drives" (Battlestar Galactica, Dune, Spore Drive from Discovery) would and should have a limited range.
@@natehigman3987 there have been instances/examples of 'jump drive' tech being used as multiple sequential jumps (e.g. in GotG2) to overcome such limitations; now, in the case of the spore drive, I'd think that it wouldn't matter what the distance is, moving from point A to B (whatever they may be, as long as they are in the spore network) would always be the same, like Skalzam originally said
@@joeridestrijcker445 yes I understand that. What I should have added to my comment is "for story purposes" because if the jump drive has an unlimited range and no cool down period either between jumps or after a certain number of them: There is no conflict or at least no reason for it, as u can just jump to a random location the second u see a hostile ship coming which doesn't make for a good story or is hard to make a good story with it.
Your spore drive measurements were incorrect, technically the Spore Drive always takes about a second, but can travel across the entire multiverse and all time ever, too. We see maybe 20 seconds max, edited, of travel time when going from the Mirror Universe to the Prime one.
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@@Bateluer *ok boomer*
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At one time, the USS Discovery, using the vessel's spore drive, actually covered over 50,000 light years in just over 1 second. Not a joke!
Well, most of the the time need is the the start up time, the amount of time spent in the mycelial network is almost negligible
It don't work outside the galaxy.
@@Wizardof it could if they mapped the mycelium network which would taker at least 1000 years or idk
@@skylar4941 Didn't someone say that it did not go past the Purple Barrier? The writing is weird anyway so not sure.
@@Wizardof that’s because no one has ever gonna by the galactic barrier, so they couldn’t have mapped it, since they are the very few people who have gone to the edge of the galactic barrier, for an example, enterprise tried to go threw but got stuck without the right shielding equipment. Also they weren’t given the task to do that since they didn’t think anything outside of the galaxy would be s threat dew the the galactic barrier, which tried to prevent any other beings from a different galaxy invading another galaxy.
You forgot the Kelvan warp drive from the TOS episode "By Any Other Name" which allowed them to cross from _another galaxy_ in only 300 years, without needing to refuel. Andromeda is 2.4 million light years away, which means they travel at 8000 times the speed of light.
Kelvan reach Warp Twenty
That's too slow to be here but it certainly is faster than even tng-era regular warp
@@erojerisiz1571 The regular warp keeps changing.
On the animated series of ST:TOS of the 1970's, no ship could fly faster than Warp 9 - - that was in the novelization of these episodes. Seems to have forgotten the Kelvan drive of the episode: A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME
OMG! you forgot
The Nth Degree (Star Trek: The Next Generation)
when
Barclay sends the ship into a "subspace inversion," jumping the ship across a great distance faster than warp travel.
They arrive at the center of the Milky Way galaxy, and are met by a representative of a race of beings called the Cytherians
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RIGHT!!! Great call Michael!
He also forgot the Xindi in Enterprise, who use some kind of slipspace tunneling type drive where they open a rift and enter it, then exit, and it comes out to several times faster than warp.
Also he's not really getting how a wormhole works. You're not traveling tens of thousands of lightyears in 30 seconds, you're traveling between two points that are maybe a few hundred kilometers apart, whose positions in real space happen to be really far apart. It's one of the most basic concepts in sci-fi. Fold a paper in half and poke a hole in both sheets, then unfold it. You've just traveled the length of the paper while really only traveling the thickness of the paper.
Yes,thats was also on My mind.
What about the dimensional transporters - dangerous to the users I know
"Warp 10 shuttle" reaching the unobservable universe.
I think the resesrch was stupendous and the presentation was extremely interesting.
Wonders how fast Janeway would travel if she drank another cup of coffee in that episode Neelix asked if she wanted one and she refused......🤔
Discovery also jumped to Terralysium, which is 51,000 light years from Earth instantaneously. You could theoretically go anywhere with the spore drive in an instant. I think this puts the spore drive on par with warp 10.
The only time we’ve been shown spore travel taking any time at all is during the ship’s jump back to the Prime universe from the Mirror one, which also resulted in unintentional time travel
"Prepare ship, for ludicrous Speed"
Hell lets go for broke Going plaid
"My brains... are going into my feet...!"
Thanks for making me remember that time Paris and Janeway evolved into lizards, mated and gave birth to a clutch of hyper-evolved human-lizard eggs.
That has got to be an awkward family reunion...
Could have included the NX-2000 Excelsior attempt on the scale... as long as it had the comedy stalling sound effects.
My thought was of the quantum slingshot personally.
Funny thing about the _Excelsior_ (NX-2000): the only reason transwarp drive didn't work was because Scotty sabotaged it, but, they never revisited that.
H3zzard Transwarp for the Excelsior would have been equal to Warp 8.4 on the TNG Warp scale (Or Warp 14 on the TOS scale)
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@MKDumas1981
Agreed. It came up in the technical manuals: Excelsior and Refit-Constitution were two competing types of next-generation warp drive, commonly called "transwarp" in the same way that for the last 20 years all video game consoles get called "next generation" and how video game graphics keep getting called "photorealistic" even though the only games that ever really looked that good were in the Myst series.
Once the contest was won, the winning design was rolled out fleet-wide and the *next* great improvement got called transwarp.
I absolutely love how in Star Trek if you go too fast you turn into a lizard man
You still missing one episode when Mr Barkeley went halfway across the universe with the Enterprise making a making a worm hole using the simulation room
@@Ivytheherbert yup because the universe is unending, theres no way to reach the end of the universe
I always thought warp 10 was impossible as you would be traveling so fast you’d be everywhere all at once.
It's a matter of scale. The reason why warp 10 is considered the highest possible velocity is due only to how the TNG warp scale works. The speed of a ship as a multiple of light at any given warp factor increases exponentially. Warp 1 is the speed of light, warp 2 is 10, warp 3 approximately 40. After warp 9, the power to which you have to take the warp factor to get the speed as a multiple of C itself increases. If the warp scale were demonstrated by a graph, it would be a curve representing a simple exponential function, but with jerk occuring after x=9, and a vertical asymptote at x=10. Hence, warp 10 would be infinite velocity, and you'd have to add decimal after decimal to warp 9 to represent increasingly high non-infinite speeds. It's absurd, but the warp scale for TNG didn't really take into account such radical advancements in warp propulsion. The idea of warp 10 being the highest limit to warp speed isn't as stupid as people think. It's just that the show never properly explains what that looks like on the warp scale, or how that scale even works.
Not impossible. Just, you know… Infinitely Improbable.
Cool, but how does the wormhole factor in? You wouldn't actually be traversing the same distance faster, rather you'd be taking a shortcut.
They are actually traversing the worm hole at impulse speeds. I dread to think what would happen if someone tried to go to warp inside - i expect they'd be stopped from doing so. or made to "never arrive" like the various ships that the Wormhole Aliens 'disappeared' one would imagine for good.
Common misconception, warp speed is a misnomer, as you are not actually moving. It's in the name actually. Warp drive is basically a type of folding system, where it is essentially compressing space in front of the craft while decompressing it behind the craft. In essence, the ship is not moving at all, but the universe around the ship is being moved instead. Basically, as scientist put it now, a cheat to get around the laws of relativity.
Also on another point, Transwarp has been described as essentially going warp speed while at warp speed. They've reinvented transwarp multiple times in essence to try and squeeze a square peg into a round hole as the warp chart has changed over the various series (IE in TOS warp travel distance was actually just the factor squared to find out the speed, meanwhile TNG tried to making a chart that would allow for faster travel, while Voyager codified this warp 10 barrier of infinite speed) which has resulted in something that's not even warp drive but actually a jump gate system.
@Terra Silverspar
TOS speed (in so far as they bothered with the sort of trifling small detail like "how long does it take to get from A to B?") was warp factor cubed, not squared. Otherwise yes.
it was mentioned in an episode in ds9, but basically you would reach the other side in billion pieces
I don't think the wormhole, Interphase, Spore Drive, or the Transwarp Conduit network should really count as they are all essentially shortcuts that link different points in space. Voth Transwarp is phenomenally fast and should be the definitive transwarp speed representative.
+Terra Silverspar, Warp speed, is still accurate since the ship itself is still traveling from one spot to another at a definite velocity that has a limit. Coaxial Warp drive is the proper folded space transport technology and was covered in another episode of Voyager, where the ship disappears from point A and reappears at point B and does not traverse the intervening space. Just because it doesn't use chemical reactant propulsion doesn't mean there isn't apparent speed. Warp Drive uses the compression and expansion of space as propulsion. As to whether the ship or the space is moving, that's just a matter of perspective.
On a side note, just about everyone has discarded Threshold from the canon and even the creators disown it, and it should be touched on.
You want to know the fastest thing in the universe?
When you're trying to whack a fly and it flies away *INSTANTLY* man it's so annoying.
Arena Closer
I thought for sure you were going to say "Burter" of the Ginyu Force 😅
Jake Miller Now that I confirm!!
It's a Starfleet headquarters confirmed method of teaching a point in space fast: make the fly fly to that point and you try to smack it!!!
Haha right before I read this comment I had successfully smacked a fly with my hands. Guess I'm the fastest thing in the universe now.
Also, my hands really hurt now.
@@azraelle6232 Ive done that a few times, I like to think its the handicapped flies I get.
It's kind of disconcerting when you think about; the average nerve conduction velocity for a Human is timed at about 250/1000ths of a second. The average fly's is timed at about 37/1000ths of a second. I know it's all about the size of the organism, but it's still kinda unsettling.
chuckle, hadn't really thought about it before, but warp 10 is equivalent to omnipresence. you are everywhere at the same moment in time.
Rift travel doesn't really count, though, as you're not travelling fast, you're just travelling a shorter distance to get to the further point. Going through a wormhole doesn't accelerate you any more than taking a shortcut through Ikea accelerates you through the store.
By that logic the spore drive doesn't actually travel fast either, it uses the mycelial plane to teleport. But yeah I get what you mean.
@@StormsparkPegasus By that logic the warp drive itself doesn't count.
The ships are technically stable in warp travel too
In that case, you'd want to use the fastest ship, while flying through the wormhole, in order to maximise the wormhole. Of course, warp 10 renders the wormhole itself unnecessary but for the others this seems like a decent way to multiply it.
@@CptNem if we're talking the Star Trek universe, we've already determined that high warp can damage Subspace, so that might do bad things to a wormhole as well. You have to be careful when you're talking about breaking physics.
I also think spore drive is a jump to everywhere in a "0" time frame. And "Q" were also able to do infinit fast jumps. It does not make sense to discuss "magic".
But it's intersting to see how diffrent propulsion systems works and ho they perform.
The Enterprise D from "all good things" future timeline went Warp 13. If my memory serves.
The warp scale was recalibrated when the writers decided warp 10 should be considered infinite speed.
@@tommyxx516 Yes but All Good Things is an alternate future where the warp scale was recalibrated AGAIN after future advances (warp 10 is no longer infinite speed there). We are never given any reference for how fast their "warp 13" is compared to the warp 10 scale used in the rest of TNG. And that future was averted and didn't happen, so that is pretty much off the table.
Warp 10 is the warp factor required for a captain and her flight officer to go from zero to awkward in less than one episode.
It surely is. Because it's not that easy, almost impossible. BTW the ship occupies one location in space with infinite possibilities in zero time, not 'all space at once'. Warp 10 is my favourite too. Take care!👾
In TNG episode "The Nth Degree' towards the end the enterprise goes to the middle of the Galaxy in a few moments.
Co-axial Warp Drive.
The other kind of Slipstream (the one that is like surfing) come to mind.
I have pondered the Enterprise NCC-1701's Little jaunt from Tholian space before but I guess I never really saw it as a space travel method as such - as it seemed more like a temporal effect.
But it's a good observation to make as it has been said before that combining interphase with a ludicrously fast travel method - gets rid of the virtual drag issue and so increases top speeds enormously. i think I read somewhere that might be a function in Co-axial warp drive too.
But heck the navigation issue at those speeds is pretty scary in of itself - I guess removing yourself from real space to go at Ludicorous speed is way safer.
Oh and I crazy or did the Shuttlecraft Cocraine just got to Plaid ?
It is possible that borg transwarp works a greater distance = faster concept, so each journey lasts about the same length of time.
Different speeds in different conduits is easier, the ones held open by the hub could be faster. The ones opened by each ship (as in TNG it seemed to be) would be slightly slower.
Or it works off of an exponential acceleration rather than a set speed. Because the 70000ly conduit was so long, it could be assumed that Voyager continuously accelerated until it exited. That would be a very convincing reason as to why Ent-D's average speed was MUCH slower.
It would also be a good indication as to why the conduits only exist in our galaxy, and not beyond - perhas they become too unstable due to the speeds after certain disances.
I just figured the discrepancy was the result of old fashioned drag, which does explain alot. Everytime we have seen transwarp used the shorter the distance the faster the trip the longer the distance the exponentially slower the trip. It's possible transwarp works more like a controlled slingshot effect then the warp drive, using a vast energy burst to shoot the ship into a corridor and then due to some kind of drag effect the ships maximum upper speed limit decreases over time, until eventually the ship would fall out of Transwarp back into normal space, if it was left to do so. This effect is supported by how quickly transwarp technology burns out, in dark frontier voyager steals a Transwarp coil and after 20,000 light years of travel it burns out, It shows that transwarp flight is extremely harsh on ships even borg. So their must be a hell of alot of turbulance and resistance in those conduits.
That could explain the structures seen in some transwarp conduits. When I first saw those years ago, I'd imagined them similar to the support beams seen in mining tunnels. They could in fact be stabilizer rings to make the journey smoother while simultaneously assisting in maintaining speed and travel within the conduit.
THANK YOU for the insightful look at the SPEEDS used in Star Trek.
Great video. Best nerding out moment I've had in a while. Watched the whole thing!
1:10 *NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!*
For those who do not understand the joke: The German word "Nein" has the same pronunciation as the English word "nine" and means no.
It was a brilliant bit of wordplay, I'll grant him that lol
Nice one (I’m German )
What about when Voyager was teleported across the Milky Way by the Caretaker?
Class 1 Hyperdrive is 31 mil c
4:09 watch discovery trying to explain how transwarp is actually control/the early borg discovering how to use the micelial network. We know that the Borg moved slow at first, but then assimilated most species in a short period of time. It would make sense that, prior to transwarp, they were pretty much stuck in a small portion of the delta quadrant.
Spore drive can travel anywhere in 2 seconds so it's not possible for transwarp to be mycelial network
Good video!
Thank you for presentation in the end
Captain Kirk's pelvic thrust is the fastest, you forgot about that :(
He was moving pretty fast when he was hitting on Uhura in the bar.
Like you said, "He didn't even have that 'superpower' until Abrams." Really, though, if you think Abrams is bad, try watching STD. I dare you.
To be fair, for years now, among my friends, the "Kirk vs Picard" argument always ends with "The 'Picard Maneuver' is a is a battle tactic that can turn the tables on an attacker, while the 'Kirk Maneuver' is about picking up green chicks in bars."
Agreed, I doubt they could have done a better job of offending fans of the Trek universe if they'd tried.
That's assuming they didn't actually set out to do so.
OriginalTharios, good call. I watched a few episodes of STD. Even with the (hopeful) attitude that it wasn't Star Trek, but instead just a generic sci-fi show. Sadly, the big plot holes & massive inconsistencies were too much to take. BTW, it most definitely did not feel like Star Trek. It kind of reminds me of how Stargate: Universe was a letdown to most SG-1 fans, but I lasted through more SG:U episodes than I did STD. :::shudder:::
liked this video at warp 10
Nice video! Really cool comparisons
That was a lot of fun to watch. Thanks!
One of the last few episodes of TNG the Enterprise went to warp 13. It was in the last season when the captain was moving through time and Q judged them.
The scale got changed, like, infinite speed would be warp 15 or 20
The TOS Enterprise travelled at Warp 14 once. But that was when the folks in charge had no idea how anything worked or would work so they just made up numbers that didn’t fit into later information.
@@a.morphous66 TOS in general is very inconsistent especially in the first season, yet people whine about later shows as if Star Trek is some bible.
"All Good Things" is the episode, but it was the U.S.S. Pasteur under the command of Beverly Picard in the future timeline that went to warp 13, not the Enterprise.
Awesome! Love these speed comparison videos.
Do you think you could do a video which explains why the universal translator is sometimes selective about what it translates, like when the Klingon use their native language while the translator is obviously in use. Or how about why the Star Trek doors seem to be telepathic and can tell when someone is standing in the doorway, usually for dramatic effect, without intending to leave, but when they are ready the door opens.
I always assumed that this was down to dialects. As in, there are a couple hundred dialects of "terran standard" on Earth, but several thousand languages that aren't considered standard. "Federation Standard" languages can be translated on a one to one basis on each other, so anything you say is completely legible in any other standard language. So Klingon Standard languages translate perfectly fine into whatever version of English they standardized (or French, if Picard is actually speaking French the whole time), but non-standard Klingon dialects are just ignored by the translator.
So the translator will translate English just fine into other standard languages, but it has to be standard English. If you try and speak a regional dialect like "Newfie" or "Aussie" into it, everyone else will just hear gibberish.
That's always been my assumption on how things worked, anyway. There is no on-screen canonical explanation for why some words aren't translated. The off screen explanation is either "it sounds cool" or "we didn't want to swear onscreen, so we made up an alien profanity to use instead".
I refuse imagining Picard citating Shakespeare in french
+Tarquinnff3 Klingons have an 'epic speech moment override' button for the universal translator.... I thought everyone knew that.
Loved it as usual! Great work man!!
Your thinking of discovery's spore drive is pretty inaccurate. It could travel anywhere in the multiverse in around 1.3 seconds. So basically it is the fastest spaceship.
The Devil's greatest trick was making us think any of the Star Trek speeds make any sense at all.
Isn't the Devil's greatest trick making people believe he doesn't exist at all?
It's not the devil... it's mathematics.
Isn't it the greatest trick making people believe he exists?
The worst offender is Star Wars...With" Space Jets, and Space magic..."
A series that has space hands, time travel, the Q and a Federation full of flying saucers shouldn't talk shit about other scifi franchises.
_"Fascinating."_ -Spock (On any occasion).
Seriously, a great presentation!
This information was awesome. Thank you!
A lot of people in the comments here are pointing out that some things aren't 'speed', they're 'shortcuts'. That's trueee...but it's pretty practical to refer to them as 'speeds' when you're using these unconventional shortcuts to get from one point in space to another.
I think the race might be unfair to the spore drive. If it's as instantaneous as they make out on the show then the travel time shouldn't change much, if at all, regardless of the distance. But since they've only been jumping around Federation/Klingon space (and into *spoiler* and *other spoiler*) so far, I guess that's open for debate!
Transwarp seems like a really loose umbrella term that can be applied to almost anything faster than traditional warp. It seems that every species comes up with the same basic warp drive, but then branch off in different directions when it comes to creating transwarp. I think that's kinda neat, actually.
Since warp 10 is infinite velocity, then I think it’s safe to assume the warp bubble is also infinite in magnitude
Imagine the subspace damage that can be caused by a vessel in this speed
The entire universe just explodes
Would have been a better explanation for "the Burn" than what was shown to us if we dared watch :P
@@DogsRNice well they end up become part of subspace it self because of the speed. We seen it episode of voyager. unless shuttle not capable of reading anything higher than 9.999
The ludicrous "Threshold" episode should be hard-decanonised. Since in TNG-DS9-VOY era warp speeds are defined on a logarithmic scale, progressive increases in speed would just yield progressively smaller fractions of 9.99999999999999999...
I.e., the warp 10 within this system is not an actually achievable speed, but a numerical expression for purely hypothetical state of infinite speed, which presumably would be impossible to achieve in the actual physical universe.
And if one were to imagine that somehow some physical object were to achieve such a state, and therefore, as defined by the show, occupy every single point in the universe, would that not mean that all matter in the universe would get instantly destroyed due to occupying the same space as the infinite velocity object (which should also get destroyed in an infinite but simultaneous number of collisions, and I can't even begin to imagine what that would mean)? Not to mention, that the object appearing in every single point in the universe would also overlap with itself in an infinitely large number of instances.
And then to claim that this universe-wide physics-breaking scenario could be achieved by a couple of Starfleet officers tinkering with a regular shuttlecraft for a couple of days. And then to pile on the bizzare "accelerated evolution" concept, which assumes that all species have some predetermined evolutionary path (while actual evolution of a biological organism occurs in response to circumstances in environment it inhabits, which are not predetermined)...
P.S.: Even if the object only interacts with the subspace, would it not still infinitely overlap with itself, and IIRC on the show the energy released by subspace collisions still affected matter in physical universe - i.e. all universe still would get destroyed.
The Bajoran Wormhole is the star trek equivalent of nether travel
As well as the borg transwarp conduit
Wow that was awesome to watch. I like when folks breakdown Star Trek stuff.
Nice vid, but you could do another with a few more? A couple more could include those aliens ego modified Kirk's ship to escape the Galaxy, Q sending the ship across the quadrant, etc..
(We don't talk about Threshold shhhhh)
VOY: Threshold was not the *very worst* Trek of all time.
TNG: Genesis has that distinction. By a narrow margin. At least Threshold had good technobabble.
And ... sadly ... maybe also Star Trek: The Motion Picture. What an awful movie, lol.
+P Talking shit about Star Trek: The Motion Picture? That's a paddlin'
@Tuzszo - _Wrath of Khan_ more than made up for any deficiencies in the first movie, lol.
We also don't talk about Star Trek V.
These videos are actually fun to watch and as a "Trekkie", it really made me appreciate it even more.
Nicely done! You deserve far more subs.
The spore drive might be a Network but it is actually tesseracting going to another plane before "dropping" back into native space.
so its more like a tachyon blink drive..? like a wave motion drive or something else that moves you into a higher plane to then drop you out at at/on a different point in space and time of the lower plane?
Pretty much and I got this idea from the old Carl Sagen Cosmos Tesseract explanation.
In the latest episode (What's Past is Prologue) They actually show them traversing the network and it looks just like the Borg transwarp network with tunnels and intersecting paths.
this network however does not link points in one univerise/ dimension but rather leads to countless different realities
If warp 10 is infinite velocity, can "touch" any point in the universe and be there practically "instantly", and have side affects, then what is Borgs warp 20 and why did it take much longer than "instantly" ? And by the time Enterprise D had contacted the Borg, do you think the Borg would have assimilated the knowledge of spore drive by now leaving the much slower conduits behind?
You forgot a few episodes.
there was an Episode from star trek TNG with the Enterprise D, where LT. Commander Barkley became intelligent to the "Nth Degree" where he manipulated the fabric of space all around the Enterprise and reach a system far away where a giant head of an ancient being that looked like "Merlin" from a King Arthur fable popped up.
Also, what about the episode where Q, slingshots the enterprise into first contact with the Borg? this was also a TNG episode.
in Voyager, there was an episode involving a sling shot" or jump drive" similar to travel in the Babylon 5 saga, or the Battle Star Gallactica series.
also, regarding Voyager there was a slipstream episode where Voyager crash landed on a frozen wasteland (a planet) after Harry Kim and Commander Chekotai were leading Voyager back to earth, before they time traveled to stop the whole slip stream incident from ever happening. To quote Tom Paris from the episode: "We built a Lemon Harry"
going back to the Voyager episode, and the Jump drive, the sling shot was actually made from a piece of the caretaker array. So I would actually like to see a how jump drive, warp drive, slipstream, Mental Drive and Hyper-drive all compare with one another. Also there was a warrior race that had technology similar to the borg in one of the episodes of voyager that took control of space fishers and built "Star Gates" within them, and used them to raid any planet at any time. They referred to Neelix and his people as the "Talax something or other" instead of "Talaxian". This was a people who voyager disturbed over 1000 years of stasis hybernation, that was bent on conquering what they controlled.
Mental Drive is the faster than light technological term i have coined for "The Nth degree" episode for star trek TNG, where Barclay becomes smarter and more sociable.
P M Talax-il-zay, was what it sounded like. You're talking about the Vaadwaur. Those subspace corridors are worth mentioning.
The catapult is faster than warp drive, but, slower than anything else.
The Borg spatial rift in "Scorpion".
The Caretaker's displacement wave = 70,000 light years in a few minutes.
Kes's telepathic push.
Arturis's version of quantum slipstream.
Qunior's spatial flecture.
They really got around, didn't they? All those different methods, and they still relied on the rusty trusty Borg to get them home.
Agreed!
the Vaadwaur corridors were somewhat similar to my understanding of "Star-gate travel".
However, the corridors, the Borg rifts and the star-gates all sound superior to the "Warp Drive".
Also i forgot to mention the episode Commander Sisko used "Spacial Eti's" from "Bajor" to Cardasia without the use of Warp Drive.
Now, if they could only fix their "Holo-deck" problems. From TNG, DS9 to Voyager something almost always went wrong with the Holo-Decks
Very nice work bro.
Super cool video.. love it :D
The Chocraine was too slow. I could track it's movement in every iteration you showed. I think a funnier (and more accurate) way of showing it would be to have ONE FRAME of animation in which the shuttle's image was tiled acrose the whole screen, and then the one at the finish line.
not fast enough either. After the warm up, the ship would be at one end in one frame and the other end the next frame. That is still infinitely slower than Warp 10, but our eyes wouldn't see it that way.
There’s the episode where kes throws enterprise a far distance in a manner of seconds “saving 10 years off their trip”
Kes helps voyager cross Borg space
Awesome video!
Great video!
One thing I think you didn't account for in this is the acceleration or how long it takes to get to top speed for each form of travel.
What about that time when Spock's brother showed up and he led the Enterprise on a day trip to the centre of the galaxy, some 30,000 light years away?
very entertaining & educational.
So much eyerolling there in your voice within this video :D
3:59- And that Voyager episode, titled "Threshold" is known for being one of the worst episodes of Star Trek ever.
11:59 and The Fight would like a word...oh?? Once apon a Time and Fury too???
And after that episode, Janeway and the crew forget all about warp 10 and the possibility of further experimentation shortening their journey home. It's funny how that little starship explores amazing tech like slipstream, transwarp etc whilst Starfleet command back at home seem to lack the enthusiasm.
@@Mark-pr7ug To be fair, they have more pressing reasons to push the envelope and more exposure to new technologies unseen by the Federation.
Its not great. The only real way to explain it away is that the characters themselves didn't understand what happened, and something entirely different happened to cause the mutations. Fictional characters are capable of being dumb occasionally.
I've got you all beat. The absolute worst ST episode out of all of them, without fail, is Valiant. The DS9 episode where Red Squad in in charge of the USS Valiant. Some of the worst writing and acting I have ever seen, and I've seen The Last Airbender, the movie.
Spore drive is instantaneous though, it’s a teleport rather then a travel time, so it has unlimited speed to unlimited distance.. at least that’s the picture I got
G argler I think you might be overestimating the spin time, but it’s funny none the less :P
The thing is the spoor drive was more like a wormhole but with a settable exit point (if they wanted to they could of jumped anywhere in the Galaxy instantaneously, well once they've spin up and jumped) it's bit more complex to as your in 2 both places at the same time but you can only be one copy so the item at the start or end has to be destroyed (I guess both would get destroyed or something very bad would happen if it did not)
When I learned one thing about "instant" transport, than that you should know where you're going. We don't want to land inside a moon or something.
Any thin from STD ( star trek discovery)is fucking stupid.
yes and no. the spore drive had only been proven to be in the Milky Way galaxy.
Thanks dude. Good video.
I just saw a Voyager rerun a few nights ago of the episode Distant Origin where the species called The Voth who were originally from Earth, had evolved from the Hadrosaur genus of Dinosaurs, and became a Space Travel Civilization (though most likely not Warp Capable as they probably could have returned to Earth if they were) in time to escape the Meteor Strike that struck the Yucatán and killed off most of the Dinosaurs were the Main Antagonists of the episode. This species was incredibly advanced in their technology so much so that they had access to Transwarp without the need for Conduits so it is possible in the Star Trek verse and is most likely how Multi-Galactic Exploration would be happening. Quantum Slipstream was mentioned in Voyager to be too stressing on a ship not specifically designed to handle the Slipstream and even then traveling that way was still dangerous as shown in the episode Timeless. Warp 10’s danger comes from the fact that there is a form of radiation that Starfleet’s Shields didn’t recognize and thus couldn’t stop. Get the proper shielding in place and that seems like the best way forward. Can’t believe they left that for a one-off episode…
So what about the method of propulsion used in “to the nth degree “?
Cytherians. I think that was some form of wormhome technology myself. Barclay opened up a rift and they entered it and boom, Cytherian homeworld.
The Enterprise D went all the way to the edge of the known Universe so that makes it the fastest ship ever in the Star Trek franchise.
I'd call spore drive instantaneous too. I suspect the time taken is auxiliary (interfacing with the network, dematerializing, etc) and doesn't vary by distance. With Borg conduits it's kind of hard to tell whether they have any relationship with the actual distance traveled or have their own internal geometry, or all take the same time as each other.
Yea, most of the spore drive time is the start up time
Interesting video. I thought there were some flaws but it's a great place to start, and gets the mind thinking.
What about Stargate? Those Ancient and Asgard ships can cross galaxies in minutes. The Destiny? That thing can cross a universe.
The destiny wasn't particularly fast (for the SG universe). It just had been going for a REALLY long time. Wormhole drive though... After that the wormhole that took the Destiny crew from the milky way to the Destiny is probably one of the fastest's methods of travel.
Good point. In fact now that I think about it, the Destiny crossed the equivalent of one galaxy a season. The original one in season 1 and the drone galaxy in season 2. Fast compared to your standard Federation ship, but compared to Atlantis and the Daedalus that is a snails' pace.
clearspira Yeah, Daedalus was roughly about 56 million c , and the Asgard Oniell was something like 3 billion c, I've been wanting to see Picard on the Daedalus (comic book crossover?) for years. It would be the ultimate in cool.
I'd say Andromeda wins the speed race, jumping between galaxies in seconds.
@@ricky302v8 Why though? Ancients' wormhole drive can transport you across the galaxy instantaneously. The same thing with their wormhole stargates.
Where does that clip of the Defiant in the wormhole come from? Don’t remember ever seeing it before.
i think that was Samual Cockings from Trekyards. EC thanked him at the end for the Voyager footage but i think he also did the Defiant
Very interesting and cool
Good job. Thanks
in VOY: Course Oblivion, they have a new warp core that put them 2 years (30-60 ly) from earth
I️ think it’s best we pretend Threshold never happened.
Yes for that episode taught us one inexplicable truth! That ejaculation at infinite speed results in kinky lizard fish babies!
Phoenixesper1 I'm pretty sure the producers retconned it out of existence too.
Yeah, but neither does Discovery.
actually we dont have to pretend.. only episode or show that has been officially erased from cannon.. so in retrospects threshold never happened.
That's the official position as well.
You miss the the episode of Next Generation where Reggie becomes super smart and they travel halfway across the Galaxy in less than a minute
I thought it was another galaxy
Now we know that discovery can travel a shit ton faster than that with it traveling some 50000 light years within seconds in season 2 episode 2
The spore thing is wrong. Because its based on one jump. Discovery can essentially jump any where in the universe in 1 second. Thats incalculable.
The spore drive travels 533.3 ly in 1second
Wait, we know that spore drive must stop working in some way. What if the trans warp conduit network is spore network graveyard? The speeds match quite well.
What if discovery is how the Borg gets their main advantage, and is the reason why borg cannot really destroy earth in the past?
Now that would be cool and bind STD to the existing ST universe nicely, but I doubt they'll do it.
Well, I can only hope. It would be nice to have SadTrek™: Discovery feel more StarTrek.
The mid season 01 cliffhanger is a great opportunity. Are these destroyed ships a doing of Borg?
Nope, Terrans. Welcome to the Mirror Verse.
That is extremely fascinating. :)
Interesting vid!
5:28
Warp 10
*how it feels to chew 5 gum*