How We (Don't) Update Commander Decks | EDHRECast 253
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- When new cards catch your attention, how do you go about making tune-ups and cutting cards? Matt and Dana talk through their VERY different strategies when upgrading their EDH decks.
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Love how civil and gentlemanly these guys are in the segue to Challenge the Stats. Clearly the problem is Joey.
Clearly cringe.
Telling a new player to "just keep it" about a deck they just got to learn. Especially if they had fun with it. Is such a great feeling
Absolutely, i had a budget mono red hidetsugu deck that i would rebuild from time to time to give to new players after finishing a game. never felt a better feeling
Joey just needs to Challenge the Stats during Matt's Intro.
The one thing I'd seriously recommend when looking to update a deck is to decide what's coming out of the deck before you buy new cards. I own a ridiculous number of cards that were ordered because they'd be awesome for one of my decks, only for them to not make the 99.
Worse, they end up replacing a land because I can't find anything else to cut, and all too quickly you end up with too few lands for the deck to be reliable.
This is great advice!
Probably a good idea to have a list of the worst 10 cards in your deck as well, so you have some targets to immediately look at for potential replacements. Or at least a list of cards you can comfortably live without while you try something new in that slot.
Best Challenge The Stats intro this year! But only if you have been watching all year. I can already feel Joey's visceral reaction when he watches this episode, well done guys 🍻
Just realised everyone else thought the same, classic
Joey edits the episodes! And yes, it was quite a comical time ❤😂
I sometimes think of my relationship with my EDH decks as that of a gardener with their garden. I get a lot of joy out of just tending to them, watering them (metaphorically), pruning them. And it makes me feel good to upgrade and optimize my decks to the point where they do exactly what I want them to do as well as they can.
Right. I have decks I have literally not taken to the LGS, but I keep them on Moxfield, I sort them, I goldfish them, I swap out cards. Just therapeutic. Caring for my little bonzai.
Same, but its a habit I'm trying to quit.
The more I obsess about making my ideas work, the less interested I am in the social aspect. Too much focus on seeking grandiosity.
So glad to hear someone celebrate Tear Asunder with me!
Tear asunder is one of my favorite sleepers from the set. It's so good
As a GB player I immediately saw its significance and bought about 10 of them
How many Naturalize effects can a deck run? If I'm in green I already have Bosejiu, Haywire Mite, Reclamation Sage and Nature's Claim ahead of Tear Asunder. Do we really need a 5th one of these? Especially in black, where we already have plentiful creature removal.
@@jayjayhooksch1 I'd swap Nature's claim for Tear asunder personally, but 5 is probably too many
I have been trying to figure out what you guys have been talking about when you say "WATZE" for MONTHS. And finally, at 3:35, you happened to have a visual on screen from Wizards Of The Coast (WotC) AND I FINALLY UNDERSTAND. I had ZERO idea who or what watze was lol, I thought maybe the name of some card design team or something lol. Seriously, this has been driving me nuts for a few months now
I also look at sets, card by card, and when something pops out to me like, "Oh, that would be perfect in X deck." Then I pull up the decklist, look through it and see if there are any direct upgrades with the new card. If there aren't any direct upgrades, I look for underperformers or high CMC cards that can be cut for something to make the deck perform better.
Some time i'd like to see you do a discission about "Nonbos" that are still good.
For example: Akromas' Memorial and say Poets' Quill.
The Memorial gives me enough of a huge boost that the Quill is mitigated for it's being removed and un-equipable. The quill generally gets played much earlier so i've gotten value from it long before the Memorial gets cast.
There's also a small incentive for opponents not wanting to disenchant the Memorial, as that gives me life gain back.
I also run Teleportation circle so i can bounce the Quill for its comes into play ability.
Would be interesting to see what nonbos you have that you run in your decks anyway.
Love Joey's commentary on the segue stealing
Always love the final fantasy 9 intro music
A note on 'upgrading' and 'downgrading'. I think 'side grading' needs to enter our magic lexicon because sometimes a new card is untested and can be trialled just for fun. Changing cards doesn't always have to be 'to make things stronger or faster' but just to try new flavours.
I do constantly thanks to Moxfield and the EDH rec add on
I'm Similar to Dana (watching spoilers and kind of whole-sale looking for cards). I TRY to keep my purchases quarterly and under $150 split between 17 decks. Most popular (read: expensive) cards are wish listed and forgotten until rotate or reprint. I like "fair" magic and combat tricks and I have many cards that anyone outside my playgroup will have to pick up and read more than once (read: suboptimal). I'm unlikely to update cards that are marginal power creep better, so my buy lists are C things: A) Rotated or Reprinted cards that I couldn't afford before B) Cards I'm worried are not going to see reprinting soon (Mythics, Commander Decks, Set Mechanic Cards) outside of special product, and C)Strange and Niche under played cards.
Great Episode!
Once the whole set is revealed on Moxfield, I usually scroll through all of the cards, main set and commander. Then I create a deck on moxfield with all the cards I have an interest for from that set, with tags reflecting for which commander I am considering that card for. These decks are housed in a folder I call "New Set Sccouting", and each set since Kaldheim has gotten one.
I always try to brew with sinergy, so I avoid upgrading because it leads to a domino effect, but there are a few very specific niche effects that I keep an eye open for, like "Broken Wings copies" for my Ayula, or "5 mana colorless artifact" for my Breya... Other than that, I don't really bother and just quickly browse the new sets
The segue bit was hilarious! Such gentlemen are Matt and Dana.
It solidifies the idea that Matt and Dana are Joey's two dads and are keen on teasing him mercilessly until he himself obtains dad status and can pass the teasing onto children of his own.
This is a great topic, and a great episode guys. Thanks. I update alot like Dana, but I do have some controls and tools in place for myself that make the process easier. I started playing over 10 years ago and since them whenever a card caught my eye I would save the image file on my desktop. What That's lead to is a fairly subjective collection of what I think are the playable white wraths for example, or the best token makers ranked from cost effective to potent, or the best payoffs for lifegain. I've kept that habit up and when I go to scryfall to search for new cards that's when I take a Matt approach. I need to have a particular deck in mind and a search for the keywords there, and I add cards I find there to their respective categories in my own collected image files, getting rid of cards in there that aren't potent enough or too expensive. I never spend more than 23-30 dollars a month on cards so anything too expensive would I print a photocopy and playtest it because its a huge sacrifice to buy over say 50 other cards that could become a complete new deck. Then I take the deck that I'm most interested in playing right now, whether its built or not and I grab all the theme appropriatate cards leaving out spot removal ramp and card draw, and I put a deck together. I playtest it against other decks a few times to try to figure out what are the serious problems, the cool synergies, and the things that this deck might not actually need. Sometimes stompy decks for example don't actually need removal, you attack, they block, and that's your removal. Sometimes a deck with powerful mana sinks doesn't need card draw, you learn to just stop playing cards at some point and use what you have, maybe those slots go to protection pieces instead. Then once I have my ratios of roughly what categories the deck wants and how many, I go to my image file database and look in those for those pieces and try them out. I love tinkering, so its fun for me. I try my best to stay organized though so I get more time to tinker. I only get to tinker a couple of hours a week or it cuts into playtime, so I have to be really focused on exactly what I'm looking for anytime I open a search a collection of picture files. Certain words are great for exhaustive searches in early stages, like 'whenever and life' but for a more typical card update I would be searching something like 'exile' instead of 'destroy' within an already filtered list of wraths for example, to see what I find. I have a privilaged little folder for really cool cards I've never gotton to play, that's kind of like Matt's collection of singles. Whenever updating gets stressful, that file is my inspiration section and often leads to new decks
I felt myself soooo represented with this video. Cutting cards that you even had the chance to cast is very sad and frustrating. Lol
I keep a deck on deckstats dedicated to cool cards that i happen to hear about during shows like this. Its easy to pull up another tab and add them in so i can find a home for them later.
My process:
- pin new/interesting/auto include spoilers to my CardKingdom ‘wishlist’
- attend sealed events and hope to get my wishlist cards
- buy singles I didn’t get and can afford :)
- take stack of new cards, standing over my table of 36 commander decks, deliberate which card fits in which deck the best, put those cards in the back of the box’s maybeboard stack
- contract deadly pandemic to have enough free time to incorporate new cards making painstaking choices that may be worse than said pandemic
- hope to play the game with other loving humans and not my pets
Lately, i find myself updating individual decks less and less. Typically, i end up just building a couple new decks with the cards that come out.
I used to do that, but that's how I ended up with 19 decks :'(
@@Blacklodge_Willy 40+ 😅
Exactly this ^
In all seriousness this is kinda problem for me and now I have exactly 50 decks. The last two times I opten to dismantle a deck to make another one in the same colors (Inalla got destroyed for Abbadon), but even then, unless it is a deck I haven't played in the last year and I know I won't miss, I end up building another one. >.
Kind of surprised this wasn't a dedicated "Challenge the Stats" episode lol
Unless there’s a card the seems like a staple for one of my decks, I’ve moved to go through checking each deck ≈once a year
Just finished building my Zur, Eternal Schemer deck and i'd love to see an UTA on him!
My decks are tuned very "Tight". Meaning they have been optimized and tweaked for a long time.
If i get a card (or simply notice i have a card) that would go into a deck it can take some while to think about what to remove for it and why.
Many times, if i have a card i really want to use in a commander deck i resort to building an entirely new deck for it.
I only really have two decks that I keep up to date, and it's a combination of Matt's method on Dana's timeline. New set is up on Scryfall? Let's filter it by identity and see what goes in each deck. Liberal use of Moxfield tags means I usually at least have some idea of what cards a new contender might replace, but there's no guarantee I won't also wind up staring at the screen for half an hour before deciding on one in particular.
Lmao savage! I'd love to have seen Joey's reaction to that segue into challenge the stats.
I was having this problem with my Syr Konrad deck haha. So many new cards I want to play, but deciding what to cut is always a struggle.
I take a very relaxed approach to updating my decks. If I notice a certain weakness as I’m playing a deck, I will make a mental note of it and try to search specifically for cards that meet that need. Or if a new card gets spoiled that particularly excites me, I will try to shoehorn it in somewhere to test it. But I’m not doing that with every single set that comes out. There’s no way I would be able to keep up 😅
It's funny how I update decks have evolved over the years. When I started I had 10 "free slots"would look up deck list and write down what I thought was cool to add. However since 2017 I use Tappedout and keep a running list on my phone. Now I have 1-3 cards to swap out and and are more critical on cuts/adds.
Can we get a link to the $20 Marwyn list? That sounds like a great thing to have
I tend to be a hybrid between how you 2 update decks. I pay attention to spoilers as they come out and take note of ones I specifically notice for decks, but then once the full set is out I filter by colors for each commander I have. Once I'm done picking what cards I want to add to decks, I start the multiple day process of deciding what cards I want to take out for the potential new adds. And sometimes the new cards I'm considering don't actually make the cut. Oh and once I've finished browsing the full set I go back and read all the flavor texts just because some of them are so funny. I have about 5 cards I love purely because their flavor text.
Security Rhox is the best card in the entirety of New Capenna purely off of that flavour text
Does infectious bite not work if ivy is one of the targets? Since it says a single creature other than ivy, technically if one target is ivy there is a single target other than Ivy. Sorry if thats a silly question 😅😅
Infectious Bite targets one of your creatures and one of your opponent's creatures. That is 2 targets. Ivy works with spells that have only 1 target.
Let's say hypothetically that Ivy were to copy the spell. It would automatically target Ivy, but would not be able to target the opponent's creature. How can it? Ivy's spells only have 1 target.
No, Ivy demands a single target, just because she's one of the targets doesn't mean she ignores herself, also the other than Ivy clause means she only triggers if she isn't the target
Very much like Dana, I wait until the set is revealed, look at the set and check it out. I currently have 21 decks, so it's fun to read Staff of the Storyteller and think
"Hmm, it would be great in Alela and Urza. I'll pick 2 up and try them out"
Then I'll have an on-going 'Next Order' list that I keep on the side until it reaches roughly $100, place the order, and rinse repeat every 2-3 months or so.
Big ticket chase cards are only considered if they're absolutely crucial to the gameplan.
I think the Dramatic Reversal+Isochron Scepter combo has the same phenomenon as Dana's Primal Surge play. I have completed it twice and, while it is a perfect combination in Spellslinger (my favorite play pattern), I just don't know if I would be ecstatic with repeating.
Normally when a set comes out I'll check out the list and go, hey this deck could maybe use that card. Put card in cart on card kingdom cus they never leave. Then eventually when I decide to spend money on cards again I'll sort the cart down to a reasonable amount and order.
so really what works for me i just focus 1 deck at a time,. I dont get to go to my LGS that jmuch to play, usually just once every few weeks. So when i know i'm going to go, i'll spend a the day before deciding what decks i'm going to play (1-2 usually) and i'll just sit down and look through the last few sets of spoilers and see if i missed anything and i'll grab them while i'm there. Usually i have my 1 main deck that i'm always on the look for new toys for because i try to play it every time i go, but then i'm only ever looking at whatever the second deck i wanna play is. I find it's much easier to make sure i get everything when i take it 1-2 decks at a time rather than just looking through everything with the mindset of looking for things for all my decks at once
I scan most interesting cards I see into my want list. When I got back into MTG a few years ago I scanned my exising collection and every new card that followed, so I almost always know how much of what I own and if its in a deck and so on. By scanning potential wants it is pretty easy to not forget about it some weeks later and not having to deal with spreadsheets and stuff. Also if I happen to pull a wanted card, the app immediately tells me that it is in my wants.
Upgrading is a thing I do more occasionally every few months, or maybe, if I stumble upon a card that seems fit to replace something that came out as lackluster-ish in a deck.
I find it difficult to move cards in and out of decks. Once I feel I've gotten into a groove, I struggle to know what is a good or bad change.
I usually ignore the higher end cards of a set and focus on the commons through rares and find neat things when manabox updates with the new set (pls drop an edhrec app 🙏) from there Ill pick things up for decks I know theyd work well in but I dont feel forced to make a cut outside of strict upgrades such as I just cut a phyrexian arena for black market connections, so sometimes I just end up with extra cards for when I build something else or later decide maybe it was meant for another deck and didnt realize it at the time
Matt, I get the point you are making about ashnod + treasure tokens + marionette, but ashnod doesn't copy the treasure token ability because ashnod specifies non-mana ability. The example would work with clue, blood, etc.
I too have around 16 decks and yeah its kinda like work, but I love to brew around my decks and fine tune them.
Some decks are so perfected the new card has to be a bomb to get into the deck, my Ur-Dragon, Edgar and Teysa are pretty stacked and each change is so hard to make.
Things come out so quickly now that between life, work, and everything else I basically don't update my decks anymore. I was getting overwhelmed with the release schedule a few years ago and it has only gotten faster so I simply cant be bothered to keep up anymore. Although when I did update decks it was mostly a card would catch my eye and I would get it for a specific deck.
10:18 I had to laugh a little at myself, because I’m currently listening to this video while working on the past two weeks of dishes, and I definitely update decks the same way where I feel like I have to catch up big time lol
Looking handsome this week, but in a new way.
When I see a new card that have a home for one of my decks, I print it and put in my deck over the card I think it could replace, and I play it even before the set is released at my playstore asking of course before the game starts if they are ok. Most of the time they are.
Matt: " I get to the point where I like how the deck is playing and I don't want to change it."
Me: Even after years of trying, cannot seem to get my decks to that point.
41:40 I feel this right now, like, I'm gonna rebuild my Lathril deck into a Babalysaga deck, just like Joey, because that looks fun, but then I have all these elves that just lie here and do nothing, I could build an elfball out of them I supposed, but that would be Ezuri, so all my Golgari and black elves would still be here, granted, there aren't that many, but like, the process of rebuilding decks leaves you with a stack of cards you are probably never using again. like, I hate leaving Shaman of the back in my binder, it's such a cool card. I considered building Nath instead of Babalysaga, but no, Baba is just too much fun.
Farewell is a very easy upgrade for any Austere commands that everyone's decks are running, it's just straight-up better.
My update method is simply looking at spoilers and going "oh this might be good here and here, I'll add that to the maybeboard of this deck for now". My problem is, I always find a new legend I want to build, which means buying new cards, which means my collection just grows and grows. we don't have a LGS here, so it's hard for me to sell my cards. I only sell them when I'm on vacation. I might need to take a weekend trip down to Copenhagen and bring a bag or a suitcase that just has magic cards in it so I can dump it on some poor LGS owner down there that has to count and grade them and no, not commons, those I usually give away to my tabletop group.
I brew decks constantly so more often than not if a new card comes out and I can't find room for it in my current deck it just finds a way into a new one.
My way of updating decks is actually fairly simple. I do a prerelease, buy a bundle, then order all of the Legends I did not get. I then update my decks with what I got. I rarely order cards directly for decks. If I do, it is usually a more competitive deck that I use for cEDH tables or high end casual. I will trade for cards, but mostly with one of my decks in mind or if it is a Legend I don't have. This keeps my deck power levels lower, and adds a bit of a personal challenge to updating decks. I didn't get the hot new mythic bomb? Oh well, lets keep going anyways.
I think Kodama of the west tree actually has real cedh application. It’s missing a way to reliably tutor for lifeforce. That’s all it’s really missing. Lifeforce in kodama of the west tree is the boogeyman card. Because kodama of the west tree can tutor for the painters servant very reliably. And recur it. Even from exile.
Because i limit my decks and i play a lot of formats in the spoiler week i build up a list of maybe cards that i will pick up incase they are good in modern/pioneer/stanard/post rotation, while i'm doing that i tend to find all the edh bits i want.
I normally end up with 20-30 cards i want for playables and 3-4 edh cards i want for decks, works out will as my 5 decks tend to be up to date.
Its funny, i have an elfball deck, but i find it too fast/strong to play against new players. Yours doesn't win by turn 6 or 7, if mostly unchecked?
I generally only update my decks when I happen upon cards that would work very well in the deck. I tend to have a very hard time figuring out what cards to cut so generally I don't want to find cards to add but not be able to find a card it is strictly better than in the deck I want to drop from the deck.
even though infectious bite doesn't get the Ivy trigger I'd say it's still not a bad removal spell in the deck since most targeted removal you wouldn't want to copy targeting her anyway
personally I am a bit of both of you two but under different scenarios
since the three decks I already own are almost as good as they are I am closer to Matt on that
but I do try to keep myself updated with some stuff and help let people I know what's up and good to look forward to like Dana
so sometimes I even forget to get new cards for myself and I always remind those in my group to get the cool stuff with their decks
on the side note I do some brewing off and on like an exercise once a month or two and it does keep me in the know rather well
so the main idea is get your bases or foundations solid and the rest will come to you naturally as long as you do look at the new stuffs at least once a month
I'd say that infectious bite is still a good card in an Ivy deck, as I'm assuming that it's being comboed with rotpriest. It does all the toxic things you need regardless of if it gets doubled or not.
Random, but is the name Dana White or Dana Wright? Because you remind me a lot of one of my friends, Justin Wright.
Ha! Mana curves is an awesome name.
I like to get my decks to where the lists are solid enough to where I dont need to update them, keeping track of all those cards is to tedious,cause even if I like a card that doesnt mean its good I choose the best cards for either casual or high power that fir the commander the best so I dont have to make cuts thats how I built my high powered meren grave yard deck and also my casual glissa the traitor artifact deck glissa kicked ass in my lgs yesterday I was proud. Marionette master is great in my glissa the traitor deck its a win con
Re: Marionette Master. While its own ability won't be doubled, every time an artifact is sacced to something else to pay for an activated ability, you get a trigger. Usually for 4 life drain if you added the counters. Or you have 3 extra creatures to use as sac fodder. Neither is a bad thing.
Marionette Master seems really underwhelming. Unless you're going infinite the life drain trigger isn't that impactful since it's target opponent and not each opponent. And if you are going infinite, then Disciple of the Vault just costs 5 less mana.
4 bodies for 6 mana is decent, but considering marionette at 1 power us basically useless without flicker/copy effects, your better off playing something like prized statue or servo schematic and getting your 3 sacrificial artifacts that way.
@@jayjayhooksch1 Servo Schrmatic doesn't let you deal extra damage if you already have enough creatures, though. Neither does Prized Statue. And Disciple of the Vault doesn't give you tokens if you already have a drain effect among your engine.
There's a lot to be said for modal spells in a singleton format; it's 2 cards for the slot of 1. And even if you do choose your tokens as the option, you get a little extra drain on top of them!
In a non-infinite deck it may be underwhelming, but better underwhelming drain than totally non-existent drain. I'm not saying it's the win-con itself, but chipping people down alongside more major damage (even if you set at 1 to get your extra artifacts) isn't nothing.
Of course, if you're the player who never attacks on T2 with their T1 1/1 out of utter crippling fear of retaliation from opponents feeling angry about chip damage, then dealing extra chip damage clearly isn't for you. But it's certainly relevant for those of us who do like to maximise a deck's total damage output.
@@andrewsparkes6275 "better underwhelming drain than totally non-existent drain". Agree to disagree. If it was completely free, then sure, but you paid a premium mana cost attached to your servos for this effect.
We also disagree that setting the damage to 1 isn't nothing, it's target opponent, not each opponent. It's literally a fraction of a single percent of the total damage that needs to be dealt in order to win a game in a deck that isn't triggering the effect more than a couple times per turn. You would need your board state to be unaffected, being completely uninterrupted while executing your game plan, for multiple turns, for this to have any reasonable effect on the game's outcome. So not only is it win more, it's the least amount of win more imaginable. I don't value this as worth a single mana, let alone the 4 you paid for it.
@@jayjayhooksch1 So you're arguing that no way to damage opponents at all will win games faster than dealing no damage at all?...really? And you don't think it'd be worth it even if it cost (0)? None of your arguments make any sense/are too hyperbolised to debate against. Calm down and come back with a more reasonable rebuttal.
@@andrewsparkes6275 lol "calm down"? Did I say something to make you think I was emotional?
I can try to be more clear, my argument is that saving 4 mana will have more of an effect on the games outcome than the miniscule amount of ping dealt by a 1 power Marionette. As I said, 1 damage to 1 opponent is a fraction of a single percent needed to end the game. However 4 mana is what, 10% of the total mana you'll spend in a game? If you're spending 10% of one of your most important resources, you had better be affecting the game's outcome. Even if Marionette triggers 10 times, which is unlikely unless you are way ahead, you still won't have got enough value to make it worth 10% of your total mana spent. 10 triggers is 8% of 120, the total starting life value of your opponents, and that's being super optimistic that Master triggers 8 times.
Imagine casting servo schematic/prized statue, still executing your game plan in the same manner, but having 4 mana left to do whatever with; advance your board state, draw cards, interact, all much more likely to affect the games outcome than dealing 1 point of damage half a dozen times before Master dies to whatever.
In my case I never update, I tend to just brew a new deck altogether bc I’m never happy….always brewing….
I usually try to review cards as they get revealed in batches. Makes the process less daunting. Looking for all my EDH decks at once. - One thing I've noticed is, I'll pay closer attention if the mechanics or even the theme/art of a deck is more my style. I was really invested in Dynasty & Cappena, but not too interested in like D&D or Phyrexia (both for art & mechanics).
I fall very much in the same as Matt here. I don't care so much for the sets as much as the cards per set. That said, I have 90+ decks, so it's hard to track everything. I can link all my decks if need be to confirm
a lunge could be a huge step back tho 😭😭
How I update my decks
1. Find new card
2. Don't buy it because it's really expensive
3. Forget about it
4. Repeat
If Joey was in this episode, he will find a way to mention baba lasagna kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Just cut a land Matt 18:15
@16:55 He said DooDoo
I think it can be awful to update a deck that's full of cards you love, but if it's one you've built to be more cutthroat it can be much easier/more satisfying to up your win odds by improving the deck. Sometimes I waffle for ages, but I'd rather fiddle with what's already in place sometimes, I may not have tested it enough yet to have decided what the weaknesses are, at which point I'm mostly willing to make 'strictly better' type changes, cards that do the same job better are the type of changes I tend not to lose sleep over, especially if the card is still janky. It's even more important in your more marginal decks to be able to have some power when needed, so the meat in my jank decks is something I'm usually willing to improve without much hassle.
I would FOR SURE use more than 100 cards for a certain type of deck, and it'd indeed end badly when my tutor Commander (Zur or Sisay are the obvious ones) gets iced and I can't find removal so I just do literally nothing with no hope of change. Zur would kill for a bit more space, but you're thinning your lands at that point, to say nothing of mana rock thinning (there are only so many 2 mana rocks worth playing in Esper, and you don't want those in Sisay), Sisay would need an unholy amount of ramp (it might be my most ramp heavy deck, it even runs 'group hug' ramp) so you'll be running Rampant Growth and trying to grin through the tears. I think that's what would happen to my decks, I'd get a few more tools in the bigger toolbox at the cost of having to run 5 or 6 openly bad cards, depending on the deck, just to hit my land drops/ramp effects on time. Thus, I think we should be allowed to do it, but I doubt they'll budge on that rule, it's too baked into the game for whatever reason.
I often will add cards to an online deck's Maybe board if I stumble on something relevant to an existing deck. When I'm working on an order and I need some filler, I check those cards out and see what'll work. It's not perfect but it helps keep me organized without adding more paperwork.
Barring the cards that are meta on the competitive side, I don't actively seek out new cards anymore. If I see a card that I think would be great on one or more of my decks, I would only have it if I got it in a pack or if I see it in a binder and I can afford it. There would always be something I can improve on my decks, but it normally takes me hours before I say "f it" and replace one of my pet cards...
Joey can’t segue if he isn’t here lol
Im returning from playing magic. I took a break around OG kaladesh (WE ALREADY CAME BACK WHAT THE FUCK) and I probably do reserach into decks in a similiar vein of Dana.. It is a pain. I have made four izzet commander shells in the past week. I need help. My old commander decks are heavily neglected rn and I know I could add so much.
Clearly Joey is still trying to fit a manna rock in his elageth deck and that is why he was not on this episode.
Some years ago, there was this one unusual guy who showed up at my local game store. He got out of his car and stepped on the curbside with a sinister look on his face. To this day, I cannot figure out if he was putting his foot down or stopping by for a curb stomping.
I'll see myself out.
Still 15% of Ivy players play Adrix and Nev. Which doesn't trigger with her.
I love Joe, and felt his absence. Nevertheless, this was an absolutely pleasant episode.
The Marionette Master is a bad challenge. The point of it in the deck is the damage trigger. There are many things that have a creature death trigger but not many that have a artifact death trigger. I don't think that anyone is thinking that Ashnod doubles the Master trigger, rather it is there just because that is what your deck is doing in the first place. If you build a artifact based Ashnod, it should be in 100% of those. And nobody thinks that Treasure trigger Ashnod.
This is a clear case of you don't have this deck and have zero idea how it works.
For whatever it's worth, if Joey had been present in this episode he would have pushed back hard against Matt's challenge.
If commander pivoted to "minimum 100 cards" I'd make a Battle of Wits deck using any of the garbage I have lying around because I've had this stupid card for so long and between the constructed formats, commander feels like the only place it has a home; a janky pile of commander cards.
Where is Joey?! 😱
Is he fine?
There is to much new products coming out. I dont have the mental energy or the time to stay on top that so I usually dont update my decks enymore.
Please Matt enlighten us what’s better then marionette master in ashnod decks, a commander that wants you to sacrifice artifact
Cards that can have their ability copied w/ Ashnod seems like a level 0 idea...which MM can't do
For whatever it's worth, had Joey been in this episode, he would have pushed back *very* hard against Matt's challenge.
@@mathimus55 I agree that MM shouldn't be in Ashnod decks if they're not specifically artifact focused. But even if it's not an ability that can be copied, it's still a decent win condition if you're all in on sacrificing artifacts. (biased, I have an ashnod deck and I love having a deck that can play MM)
Product fatigue...
The toxic politeness 😭
Joey is a bright beautiful person, but this podcast was grer
Wait... wait... the dad jokes are only for the sake of JoJoe???
Nice job even without Joey
11:05 that sheet is incorrect.
Guys, I Love your Channel but you are ignoring the fatigue by not putzig all the sets in it.
Namely lotr and Commander masters
That image is promotional material from Wizards of the Coast, we didn't make it. And we talk about product fatigue all the time, yo. If you're frustrated by fatigue or a marketing image made, we're not the people to complain to about it.
@@EDHRECast sorry, I didn't want to sound rude. I am frustrated with the published amount and not with you guys. Didn't feel like it Sounds so harsh