JAPAN DRIER -the secret weapon- for lightning FAST dry times! RUSTOLEUM TRICKS
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2019
- Ever heard of it?? Ready to paint BUT its going to rain? Customer needs that project ASAP? Painted your car but now have to let it dry for a day?? Japan Drier isnt a well known or widely utilized product when it comes to RUSTOLEUM and other oil based enamels. Its commonly available, easy to use and will greatly reduce the dry time of your projects. Imagine if the paint on your next job was ready to handle in mere hours. It can be a game changer.
00:26 SAFETY blah blah
00:40 Stir Stir
01:18 Sprayable Mix ratio
05:49 Walking up to the work piece and spraying
Products I used: (Your local prices may be cheaper)
Catalyst/Hardeners:
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Japan Drier:
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Mixing cups:
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Cone paint filters:
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I have a plastic thing I got at Home Depot that sits in the rim of the gallon can. Won’t fall out during a pour. Cost maybe $1 or something and it can be reused indefinitely as long as you keep it clean. Works really well.
Great information there! Next time I paint a project, I'll get some and try it! Thanks Vincent!
Hey Joe! Thanks for watching!
This really helps
Good video and great content really enjoyed all your painting vids!
I appreciate it.
Thanks for the information !
Nice job thanks for the video...
Thanks for watching!
Thank you sir !
Good tips. Especially on spraying sequencing and why.
Glad it was helpful, thanks for watching!
Good job
excellent video. as a new hvlp it's very helpful. how does the commercial paint you use compare to the professional type you buy at the big box store?
Nice job. Now I want to repaint my trailer like this
I just did my 26' flatbed trailer using this ratio. Worked like a charm. 4 coats total, 2 primer and 2 color, 3.5 gallons total all in the same day
Great vid, 2pints to a quart. Nice shop benches,
Have you had any trouble finding Japan drier locally? I heard they stopped making it.
Awsome instruction brother. Do you think the catalyst makes Rustoleum paint gasoline resistent like car paint? I want to painy my truck. Thanks.
Home Depot sells a paint can lip that fits into the lip of the can. Works pretty good.
Thanks for your video!
Why do you use hardener and Japan drier at the same time? I thought they are the same thing. Also do you think I can use a hardener on top of a satin black without adding gloss? That is something I would like to avoid.
Great job would like see more Rust-Oleum jobs
I try to film whenever I spray, in the meantime here are a few other videos:
Rustoleum primer/color coat: czcams.com/video/6eoFYTp98XE/video.html
Mix and spray rustoleum: czcams.com/video/bmEVN3tIKFU/video.html
Gun set up tips: czcams.com/video/Vx4Mydjaxug/video.html
nice video - anybody can answer this . I need to use oil base paint bear for kitchen cabinet using brush how can I make it dry fast. some times they take 2 days to dry and other times they take few hours. . can I use japan drier
One correction, 1 pint to 1 gallon is 8:1 ratio, 1 pint is 16oz, 1 gallon is 128oz, 4:1 ratio would be 1 quart to 1 gallon, 1 quart is 32oz. Otherwise great information, thanks for posting this video, I have a project that I will use this information to complete
Thanks for that!
@@unitedstatesofbuild4915 I have a question for you and by the way thank you for your great videos. Being as you had used a one to four ratio instead of a one to eight did the job turn out okay?
Another thing you can do is simply get that clean filtered Air moving over the paint. A 4x4 grow tent (or bigger) is a great idea to get airflow in and out in a controlled environment. Obviously you can't paint a full car but you can take the panels off and paint them individually. Preferably I would use two and augment between both of them if I was doing lots parts that is. And if you can get them in the sun like you have them to bake the paint on all the better lol
I can also say, a 4x8 cheap grow tent with a phresh intake filter will get you hepa filtered air results. Roughly 10 minutes to set up and another 10 to take down. Great portable paint booth for smaller projects.
If you suggest the Japan drier for rolling, would the porportions be the same of different? Thanks, John
Good video for newbies like me :-) Can I ask you your nozzle size on the gun? 1.4mm?? Also the consistency of the paint - thick as pancake syrup, or thinner like milk? Take care.
Can I use Japan Drier on white paint?? Cus its kinda already dark color
I scoop paint out of a new gallon with throw away plastic cups.
Can you use Japan drier with spray paint in a can?
Can I add the Japan Drier with polyurethane..? I have 1 gallon and it takes about. 2 weeks to set.
Does it matter if you use paint thinner or reducer over acetone? Can you use the odorless enamel reducer? Great videos
Acetone dries WAYYYYYY faster! I tried with mineral spirits and it took several hours to safely touch it. The mineral spirits seems to have a little less orange peel but if you have bug concerns the acetone is a life saver. I sprayed two coats using his mixture (4 parts paint/3 parts acetone/4% Japan drier by paint volume/6% hardener by paint volume) and in under 3 hours it seems safe to handle.
I've tried Japan drier in rustoleum paint without putting in the acrylic enamel hardener. It does not make it harden any quicker. What is making your paint harden faster is the fact that you put acrylic paint hardener in it. Also thinning paint causes it to cure more quickly, because acrylic enamel cures by combining with oxygen. Thick paint surface cures, but remains gooey underneath for a long time because oxygen can't easily get to it.
Huh, interesting. As far as JD not drying paint faster is that a personal observance or have you got some documentation?
@@unitedstatesofbuild4915 I've tried Japan drier in rustoleum. It didn't cure any faster. I've put the acrylic enamel catalyst purchased from the tsc store into rustoleum, and it was completely cured the next day. Hard as can be. Usually rustoleum will stay soft for months. Dry on the outside, but not really usable since you can still stick a finger nail in it and gouge it. The only thing I've found that hardens it, is that paint hardener made specifically for oil based enamel. There is a lot of info on the internet on how acrylic enamels harden. It needs oxygen to harden. It does not harden the way solvent based paints harden. Solvent based paints dry when the solvent such as acetone evaporates. Acrylic enamels cure to harden, not through solvent evaporation. It's a diffrences process. I wish Japan drier did work on rustoleum. It would be a lot cheaper than having to pay $20 for a little can of enamel hardener. And that hardener has a short shelf life. That hardener will not work a year after the can has been opened. I know, because I tried using what I had left over in the can from over a year before. Rustoleum professional paint has a different paint formula. It seems to dry quicker without adding hardener. But still not as quick as adding fresh hardener.
Can the Japan Drier be used if you're planning on rolling or is it really design for spray guns?
I'm thinking of using Rustoleum Topside on a boat (above rub rails) and plan to roll. Too tight to spray. Thanks, John
Thank you for the Rusto paint videos they are all very informative. Since I’m a rookie at this, my question is you resprayed after 2 hours the video says. What did you do with the gun in that 2 hours? Did you break in down and clean it, spray some mineral spirits or acetone through it, or just set it aside until it was time to respray?
I empty whatever residual paint is left in the cup and spray some acetone through. Thanks!
Did you have to scuff the surface before you shot the 2nd coat...being that so much time was between coats? Also, can I ask why you waited so long between coats?
Thanks for these very informative videos!!!
:)
Very helpful info. Thanks.
Wish I had learned this years ago.
Think of how many more paint jobs you could've fit in.
What’s the best enamel hardener for rustoleum? Re painting my cast iron milling machine. Need a hard paint the yellow especially seems to want to be real soft and gummy.
Ive had great luck with krylon: amzn.to/3ctxrof
I also use majic from my local tractor supply co
2:12 I lol'd thanks
I have a theory Japan drier and Majic Catalyst Hardener are basically the same thing. I mean they're not chemically the same, but the are causing identical cross linking reaction in the paint. Which is just part of what real hardener does. So personally I would just use little more Japan drier and skip the Majic hardener.....In any case I've used real automotive Acrylic Enamel Hardener with Majic tractor paint mixed at 8:1 and reduced it with naphtha. It worked just fine.....Naphtha and real automotive Acrylic Enamel Hardener are IMO going to give a better more durable faster dying finish and should also be same price or cheaper than using Majic reducer and Majic hardener.
Did you test your theory by recoating in less than 48 hours and not having an issue though? Speeding up the dry time is irrelevant compared to speeding up the cure time.
@@nathanduitch2521 Yes I have. You should be able to recoat much faster than 48 with Japan Drier. Just follow the directions as using too much can cause it to dry so fast the paint alligators.....You can also use pretty much any automotive enamel hardener with Rustoleum or whatever similar brand paint. Majic hardener and the other brands intended for tractor paints are expensive and are on every metric inferior to automotive grade hardeners. Even automotive grade synthetic enamel hardener will give you much better shine and UV protection than tractor paint hardeners. At about the same cost..... I recently used 5 Star xtreme wet look acrylic enamel hardener with Majic tractor paint reduced with naphtha. I waited about 20 minutes between coats. Same as I would have using an automotive grade enamel paint.
Weird question do you add Hardner to your primer?
No, usually just the color coat
Can you point out which type of reducer you're using there? You didn't post a link. In your other videos with a 4:3 ratio you used paint thinner. Just wondering what you used here?
Yes, I buy it at the local farm store.
Heres an amazon link: amzn.to/32GZb4d
Japan drier IS compatible with paint thinner and acetone.
Thanks for watching!
Can you use this on a car?
Does this leave orange peal? And need sanded and buffed?
Not if you mix and spray it correctly. Orange peel can be caused by improper gun adjustment. Be sure its the proper viscosity and your gun is set correctly. Thanks!
Pretty good video but LOTS of questions in the comments still.
Tape the gallon. Into a v sharpe it will your. CUP east and not make a mess
If I don't have hardener and Japanese Drier, can I just use the 4:3? Also, with Rustoleum Clean Metal Primer?
Yes you can just use 4:3 without hardener. Clean metal primer should reduce well. Be sure to watch my other rustoleum video, it has other ratios: czcams.com/video/bmEVN3tIKFU/video.html
@@unitedstatesofbuild4915 awesome thank you! I painted today and it worked great 🤟🏼
Awesome, glad to hear that. Thanks for the update
Does anyone know why he's painting in direct sunlight on a hot metal?
I thought everyone recommended not to do that
Do not use isocyanate or di isocyanate or methyl di isocyanate hardener unless you have a booth full face air supplied respirator, paint suit nitrile gloves not latex, boots that you leave at the booth do not take them home or you risk contamination of you family or pets and proper training . You can not wash isocyanate of with soap and water that why construction glues and expanding foam insulation don’t wash of because it contains methyl di isocyanate. I urge you to look up isocyanate safety on the tube or google it . You have a life time limit once exceeded you can barley sand clear coat or 2 stage paints or construction glues or expanding foams with out getting asthma temporary or permanent or permanent lung damage and possible death let alone paint. Many bed liner applicators got super sick and several died as did a tire installer who foam filled industrial heavy equipment tires in London Ontario a couple years back . Old school,lacquer and enamel never caused these health hazards . Also if you paint a car in your residential neighbourhood and have fumes with isocyanate drifting to homes and back yards you risk some serious issues and law suits
How long does it usually take to dry with Japan dryer?
Yo
Were you commissioned to build these carts? Can I ask what you charge. Trying to get an idea of what it will cost to have 2 made. I’ve learned too many trades...no time to learn how to weld lol.
Thanks!
:)
These carts use a super simple design, all 90* cuts so they are quick to build. I think the steel was about $2.75 a foot (about 25' total), 4 casters of your choosing and build labor was 2.5 hours (without paint). I have an older build video on a smaller version of these exact carts and how to build them here: czcams.com/video/QPqihL2OKtg/video.html
If I skip the reducer could I brush on to mixture?
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@@LITTLEROCK2517 ?
I used a 4:1 ratio and its been a week and I can scratch the paint off with my nail. What do you think I did wrong?
4 parts paint to 1 part japan drier?
@@unitedstatesofbuild4915 paint to reducer then I added a little bit of japan drier
Not sure what the problem could be, The ratio's sound ok. Not sure honestly. I recently had a problem with my truck doors: czcams.com/video/s_lee7e_jVo/video.html. It was a really cold night and I warmed the door, brought it outside and sprayed it, let it flash then brought it right back in. The door basically went from 90*, down to 50* and back up to 90* in less than an hour, all while being spayed. The paint turned out really flaky. First time I'd experienced it. I scuffed resprayed it and had good results.
@@cdk3283
way too much reducer. Ratio is supposed to be 8:1
I like using dollar store Turkey basters to transfer paint out of an awkward 1 gallon can
You can also cut a 12 or 16oz disposal cup in half to dip your paint and throw it away when done. The clear Walmart 16oz cups are about $5 per 100, I also mix my paint using a kitchen scale with those cups and craft sticks.
What hardner do you recommend
I think they are all pretty comparable. I mainly use majic or Ellis from my local AG store. But Ive also used the ones I linked to in the description. Thanks Norman!!
Be very careful hardener does NOT contain isocyanate or di isocyanate or methyl di isocyanate or MDI same poison or . 1 it goes through n95 mask you need black nitrile gloves not latex as it goes through them. 2 you need a paint suit full face AIR supplied mask not a filtered one as it is useless against isocyanate. I got poisoned from 2 cans of consumer grade expanding foam from a big box store wearing a n95 respirator same as this man in the video using it outside in a light breeze applying it using the plastic straw it comes with into 6 holes in the boats floor I was rebuilding .I urge any one using isocyanate hardener to you tube videos on working safely with isocyanate paints . With isocyanate you have a life time limit once you reach it you will react with tiny amounts and can have temporary/permanent asthma, serious lung damage , and deaths have occurred . It no joke I worked in auto body before hardener ,many friends who were auto body techs and painter have had to quit the trade . Even sanding modern car and truck clear coats and paints expose you to the isocyanate as does welding and grinding ,it also in box store construction glues the kind you can’t get of your skin . I see 2 part primer starting to be advertised as isocyanate free thank god
They sell spout for the paint can at Home Depot they're like a dollar
I have both the HD gallon and quart spouts, says not to use them with oil paint, but I ignored it and use with both oil and water based paints. 😁
Pint to gallon is 8:1.
I'm no pro, but isn't it normal to prime bare metal prior to finish coating it? Especially when there is some level of rust as is seen in those frames? Or even sand the rust off first?
Also you said that the 115 degrees was way outside the temperature range for proper painting. Then you painted it without comment. What's up with that?
I want the old 5 window truck behind you
1953. Belonged to my uncle's family since new. It was in a barn from 1983-2017.
Same!!! Sat for 34 years?...did you get her running?
Are hardner AND Japan drier like the same thing?
Same concept, The hardener is going to make the paint harder and slightly more glossy in addition to faster drying. The Japan drier speeds the dry time. The way I understand it Japan Drier is cobalt based whereas hardener is resin based.
Sorry to be that guy, but one pint to one gallon is 8 to 1, not 4 to 1. Otherwise a great video
disregard the tape spout on can , ok?
Amen to that. I did since see a guy do it correctly. Apparently you tape half the can off with a V shape
Yes a v shape cover the lid channels. I saw that video to.
@@unitedstatesofbuild4915 Get a rubber pour lid from Walmart works great and cheep.