Is Pokimane Right?
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I can't imagine the backlash Twitch would have gotten if they cut 1/3 of their staff then announced a multi million dollar streamer signing, not surprised they're moving away from it
My farts are better than Pokimane’s farts 💨
Makes sense yeah
@@p-__ I don’t think anyone would buy your farts
@@p-__I approve.
Probably. I've never seen a woman with the personality of a potato sky rocket to such success. @@p-__
If Palworld taught me anything it's that if Pokimane leaves Twitch she'll just be replaced by Pokimane with guns.
good! she fell off anyway
Not sure how people got her that big for starters. She's one of the most fake people on the platform. Reminds me of Sniperwolf in that sense
Simps and stans, probably
do you only know 2 women who stream? Pokimane's content is nothing like sniperwolf. @@Man0War_Loki
@@404schmoozernotfound They're two personas that are completely overblown.
I agree with you! CZcams needs to invest more in their livestreaming side. If they can improve their chat and discoverability for streamers, they could definitely give Twitch a run for its money.
They won't though as the money isn't in live streaming as it's just much harder to monetise for the platform. Most livestreamers on Twitch don't generate Twitch money, they use up way more bandwidth to put their content out, the viewers they have use more than if thet watched a video and putting ads inti the stream is harder, you preroll you scare people away but the ads go into the livestream you can annoy people by making them watch an ad rather than the moment they watched for hours to see. It's really only the small number with a big normal video following on YT that live streaming on YT makes sense for everyone. So they will focus on videos and shorts where the money is better for them and leave Twitch & Kick to take the livestreamers who don't have the YT following to pull people into YT livestreams
@@SimonWakefieldUK I don't know, CZcams already has a pretty solid experience just because of things like like video player, and YT also doesn't have the very visible baggage and drama that Twitch does(on the streaming side of things). I've had my Twitch account since 2012, and I already prefer watching streams on YT. The only features that seem to be missing(on the viewer side, I don't stream myself) are gift subs and things like 3rd party emotes. I see way higher view counts on YT as opposed to Twitch for the same streamer, and more and more streams are showing up next to recommended videos and on the homepage. I could easily see YT legitimately killing or doing some serious damage to Twitch in the coming years.
@@06ToyotaCorolla I would hazard a guess you are watching streamers who already have big CZcams presence though. Discovery of live-streams on CZcams is awful on its own, it's hard enough to get viewers on twitch as discovery isn't great there but it much harder on YT. CZcams is setup to push you short vods, not long livestreams. A livestream just costs way more for them to provide and they can't monetise as well (advertiser's are just less interested in buying livestream and spots and it's harder to place them due to the nature of a livestream) so there is nothing driving them to push livestreams in a serious way, if anything a livestream is more a tool for them to send you to both the streamers vods or other users vods on the platform. As a streamer if you are able to put time into YT and get lucky and it blows up enough then switching to YT for streaming may make sense but otherwise YT is never going to put the money into making a low income, high expense part of their business more appealing to people without big YT followings as they are a business. It's why after the real push they did a few years ago on improving the live streaming side it's largely been neglected since as the realised what mixer found and what we see with Twitch now finding that making money in the livestream game is limited
Nah, they'd rather improve their ability to circumvent adblock. Why improve user experience when you can make it worse?
Not sure why y’all don’t get it, all of these platforms spent money on exclusive deals (in the beginning) to bring the big guns and hence their viewers to the platform. Then once its stable they don’t have to do it any more. These exclusive contracts were just like SEO/SEM to increase visitors and stable users for their platform. You think paying $100 mil to xqc generates profits? Lol its advertisement and you use it to boost your numbers, then create stable users, market it for more exclusive deals for other streamers, and in the end when it all works and stabilises the user base you don’t need to any more since you gained the market share you hoped for.
This is literally any business basics 101 done right by all the current successful streaming platforms. Didn’t work for some because they tried weird stuff unnecessarily making their platform uncomfortably inaccessible in ways (microsofts little disaster in mixer, which was completely their own fault for reasons anyone who used the platform easily understood) and they paid for it. But the rest did well and now they don’t need to throw money unnecessarily like this anymore
For me as a viewer, the only thing Twitch has over other streaming sites is the chat. Everything else seems to be better on other sites, like bitrate, the ability to jump back and forth during a stream and so on.
exactly its just the viewers and the meme culture
CZcams > twitch as a casual stream viewer bc I dont get 15 ads when I click on a stream. I'm also already on youtube so much so I prefer it.
As a fellow casual stream viewer I agree with this.
And the fact that you can instantly reverse or go back to any point on the stream
@@Chambyr1literally the only thing that matters to me idk why twitch hasn’t done that yet
Also, chat on CZcams doesn't look like a fkin monke zoo with unstoppable emote spam every time streamer take a breath.
Also the ability to just reverse a couple secs is great
He's right about lurkers. Whenever Dougdoug or Pointcrow multistream, I prefer the YT. The Twitch videoplayer is such dogshit there's just no competition there and the amount of ads on Twitch is ridiculous. YT chat is way worse, but I usually just close the chat when I watch on a TV or second monitor anyway.
for a better youtube chat you can get the truffle expansion. Ludwig created that one and it makes yt livestreams much better especially chat
I don't really watch livestreams. What do you mean by chat being worse?
@@Karan-Aujlaso cuz of the way Twitch chat is coded, it essentially scrolls in little waves. The way twitch's chat works means your message will actually be readable to most people.
The CZcams chat on the other hand is a constant stream, meaning it's considerably harder, if not impossible to read chat messages if it's a big creator
I don't know if I agree with YT chat being way worse. Twitch chat is just adhd intensified, with multiple comments having something copy and pasted with an emote at the end.
I agree. The chat is a pretty easy to fix thing with CZcamsrs resources. Twitch seems to be running bare bones these days
pokemane is right that twitch is regressing, BUT
she also was part of the problem
so its extremely hypocritical of her, shes just complaining that she isnt the one who is profiting mostly from it
I've literally said this since the beginning that signing streamers to expensive deals was stupid as fuck for the companies.
Yeah the companies are finally realizing/admitting that they can't just buy the audience with the streamer, so it makes no sense to spend millions and millions only for the streamer to go back to the previous platform after the contract ends.
The thing I hate about Twitch is that it front-loads all the ads to the start of the stream so when you want to join in, you get 4 30-second unskippable ads. That is why it's much easier to go to CZcams and watch 5-second ads once in a while and be on your way
Also, there might be a lot of people who already have the youtube premium thing so they don't need to be bothered by ads on this platform and can't be bothered to pay for the Twitch subscription
@@alexjustalexyt1144 as someone who was streaming/ avid viewer on twitch who has since switched to CZcams. I cant agree with this more. i was paying for turbo on twitch and premium on YT but now that im just on YT is made my wallet heavier and less of a pain in the neck to deal with.
And even if you get an add on CZcams, you can rewind a bit and catch up with 1,5x speed lol. Sometimes I click on a stream like an hour late and I catch up like that.
@@ItsJustValHereyea that shit is so infuriating. I wouldn’f be mad at twitch if it was more frequent 30second ads but they prevent viewers from watching 5minutes of content that could have had like 30minutes of build up to the payoff, and now because you aren’t subbed to every streamer you get penalized.
When I do watch Twitch these days I usually just watch vods to avoid this issue.
Ad block works on twitch tho
The twitch ads absolutely kill me from watching streams. I’m interested but not wait 45 seconds plus interested
I don't use Twitch so help me out, is there a premium version with no ads or even an ad blocker people can use like CZcams? Cause 45 seconds or more of ads sounds annoying as hell.
@@averageanimefan519 You can subscribe to a stream for 4.99 and it removes ads for that one streamer. Watch another streamer need to subscribe again
@@averageanimefan519 Yeah it's called Turbo and it's $11.99 a month, but twitch doesn't really push it as a service and it doesn't add any value to the platform aside from being ad-free.
@@averageanimefan519 yeah if you use ur prime sub on a streamer or pay 5$ a month you wont get any ads.
@@phatal4573 Thank you!
The culture on twitch is definitely the biggest thing that separates it. I find that if I plan to participate in chats which is usually smaller streamers that I know better I prefer twitch 100% of the time but if I am just going to be watching a bigger streamer that I am just there for the stream itself then youtube also wins that 100% of the time. It just has a better player and less ads and that makes the lurker experience significantly better on youtube as a whole. I also really like having all of a creators content be accessible from one page. If I am watching a streamer on youtube it's very easy to find any other content they've made as shorts or videos and just having to put in less effort to find that content makes me more likely to check it out in the first place.
When I got sucked into the vtuber rabbit hole (2019/2020), and all the ones I watched exclusively streamed on CZcams, I found myself having a way better time over here as a viewer. Any time I stream though (to single digit viewers, but it's rare and just for fun anyway), I do genuinely enjoy Twitch more from that side. If either platform figures out how to make both feel good, it would be huge.
Those massive contracts always felt like they were ridiculous imo. No offence to the streamers, I’m glad they got their bag, but from the companies perspective I don’t understand how they expected to make back as much as they were spending.
At best it's an expensive way to buy market share, but the market share itself isn't even profitable most of the time, so they were not thinking that far ahead, it seems. like.
publicity money really
Stock bump. It was never about revenue. Just big headlines and hype.
i dont think they expected to make back what they spent, just a fast and expensive way to get huge headlines and market share
You also have to think it could be a case of having to spend there budget, a lot of restaurants and companies will spend there budgets even when they don’t need to, Reason why is if they don’t the budget gets smaller kind of sucks, could be wrong though.
I'd always choose to watch someone on youtube vs twitch, the pause and play where you left off is stoopid good. And not getting spammed 15 ads in a row is also really nice
QOL is what keeps me on yt. There are absolutely people I want to watch on twitch.
Even ads and stuff aside, The yt app just works so much better than the twitch one that it alone is 70% of the reason i stay.
it's also super nice when you're already on youtube for content and just happen to see a creator live and you pop in
Even with BetterTTV yeah CZcams still winning
@@checkedcabbage2462 yeah, the twitch app is actually garbage, especially if you try and stream it via chromecast or whatever the name is, it lags the fudge out whenever i try too.
Yeah with as long as Twitch has been around, it's insane that you still can't pause and come back or rewind an ongoing stream.
i think the biggest problem for youtube streaming is that its not a streaming platform. it is a video platform, and finding newer and smaller streamers is incredibly difficult. if youtube had a seperate, streamer focused platform, nobody would be left on twitch.
It's the same with twitch though. If you're a small streamer, you're at the bottom of the listing and most people won't ever see your stream. On top of that, preroll ads are just devastating for small streamers. Almost nobody is going to watch an ad to watch a stream they know nothing about and only has like 50 viewers.
@@keremcantarhan the difference on twitch is that youre able to look for smaller streamers (especially when looking through specific categories), thats just downright impossible on youtube.
it was called youtube gaming and then they killed it off lol
@@supersonic4863 I don't know if this is something exclusive to my account but half of my recommended videos are smaller creators and streamers now (0-200 views videos and 0-10 viewers streames).
Hey Lud! One thing you forgot to mention with that Plus Program, is that it is now available to Partners AND Affiliates. There is also a 60/40 split that is MUCH easier to get (100 Plus Points). I do agree that the streamers that aren't able to make that (myself included) will be negatively affected by the fixed prime model, however making it this much easier to get a higher rev split should definitely help offset that bump.
Twitch's advertising makes it impossible to enjoy new-to-you streamers as a viewer and it drives people away rather than influencing them to subscribe. 1-4 ads within the hour weren't forced on streamers or viewers during Covid so people were just more comfortable being on the site, now there's no growth so no one is seeking contracts
Adblockers certainly help
I tend to browse by game and click on random streams to check them out (well...I used to..now I just don't use Twitch) and it was so painful having to sit through ads on each and every one. It'd take 10 minutes to see 3 people's streams to get a sense of if I want to watch more. It sucks so bad for discover ability
Choosing to roll ads manually disable pre rolls, however that option is available only to affiliates iirc
You get ads everywhere? Even the ads on yt are usually way too much and annoying i dont get why ppl act like its just a Twitch issue.
you guys get ads?
I'm a 150-200 viewer andy on Twitch, around 100k subs on CZcams. I found while I prefer Twitch's overlays, interaction and tools, my viewership on Yotube can jump 3x, sometimes around the 900 mark. Huge for a smaller or midsized creator like me. I would love for CZcams to invest more into the livestreaming side of their platform because I think they can be (and are) a real competitor in the market.
Nino I adore your videos, I hope you know you're one of my favorite comfort creators. I hope you have a lovely day ❤
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My farts are better than Pokimane’s farts 💨
Hi, Andy. How's Woody?
It will ! This is just the beginning i was just saying this ! When CZcams catches up it will be bad for twitch in my opinion
The only people depressed about Poki's departure from the platform are the ones that can't simp and give her their rent money
Oh I’m sure she will find a way to take they’re money
Ludwig I just wanna say thank you for these kinds of videos they are so good and i'm sure you do so much research for them, and its really cool to see a more down to earth perspective from a streamer, so thanks :)
I honestly prefer the CZcams community over Twitch.
first
Yeah twitch is just a bore and it probably won't survive in years
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@@luiz3r0🧢
How the heck do you have 6 million subs with like 2 videos
twitch chat is better for sure, but the convenience of the rewind and fast forward of CZcams will always be my main reason why I prefer the latter when it comes to streaming
To be fair, live vod exists if turned on.
its actually up to the owner. there an option to allow play back on live stream and if they want to have it upload as soon as stream ends.....not an automated thing
@@hiroomimi9629on youtube it IS automatically in though. Twitch it's automatically off
Kick and twitch chat are usually far more cancerous than youtube from my experience
Kinda funny to see "twitch is regressing" attached to pokimane when she's part of the reason their fall off went from a slow decline to a sharp drop the past few years.
How so? Fun fact, the past couple years she been streaming less and less. So curious how she is responsible for stuff like the nude art fiasco or cutting off Korea or etc. Was she the mastermind behind all that or something?
@@GodofGoblins Her campaign to ban gambling because her buddies got scammed by a liar and manipulator gave kick a hell of a jump start. There's a reason Kick can afford to pay out big contracts while Twitch is doing layoffs, turning away from streamer deals, and their reputation is in the mud.
@FrostDzNz oh I highly doubt her hypocrisy on gambling with kick was a big deal for kick. Kick is successful for plenty of other reasons. Viral crap, entertaining streamers, etc. The drama with poki and Hasan was just a fun little drama moment. Fun one too. It showed off her hypocrisy yet again.
Kick has tons of money thanks to stake with there massive resovoire of cash at there disposal. And even they haven't done giant contract deals lately either. In fact, if twitch self destructs, it wouldn't surprise me if kicks contracts aren't as high as usual since the only other real spots to join are youtube which don't seem to want to give out cash like that again, rumble which....yeah ok, and Facebook which to be fair has a history of offering decent cash. But yeah, that will be interesting to see in the future.
Thanks for the update !
CZcams is more convenient to watch because it's where I watch videos but I hate how chat looks compared to twitch and I wish videos and streams were under seperate tabs because it feels messy when I'm looking for vids and have 7 streams at the top going down
Ludwig's YT streaming extension, Truffle or whatever it is called now, makes it a lot closer to twitch which makes the YT chat more bearable
As in a channel? because there is different tabs for streams and video. When people upload their VODs from twitch etc , then that is when it is considered a video and not a stream. Which i agree, creators should be able to choose the category
They are under separate tabs? At least when they’re turned into VODS. Unless you’re not talking about channel view
@@KillerTacos54 I'm on about how streams show up in subscriptions by default with vids instead of being seperate by default
Worse, scheduled streams don’t even show up one after the other - they’ll intersperse in the rest of your subscriptions feed, which is incredibly annoying
I like twitch emotes and gambles, but yt has better video player and thats a huge plus
I honestly disagree I pay for premium and I have gigabit internet and I face way more slowness on CZcams, and twitch VOD player is amazing especially for going back to a VOD they have it down to the second whereas CZcams it is a minute behind
@@goingafk0 Hey just a tip because it might be your case too, I also have premium and I recently found out that all the lag I experienced on youtube was due to my adblock being on, even tho I have premium :D I turned it off (youtube only) and it's a different experience (YT has been trying to sabotage adblock usage for... forever now)
@@goingafk0 I almost never hear that. Of course configurations are different, it also may vary in different countries, but almost all people I hear say YT is better. I have YT premium and Twitch Turbo, I watch in 2 houses, one with gigabit internet and one without, on 2 Laptops and multiple PCs, 2 SmartTVs, a playstation and mobile. I also stay regularly at friends houses with varying setups. In NONE of these circumstances is Twitch better, YT basically works perfect, Twitch has connection errors regularly on every of these setups. VODs are harder to find, and get deleted and sometimes muted. I also don't understand what you mean by YT is a minute behind. when? Because when you're watching live and go back, you can literally fast forward every YT stream to the point when you're actually live again. You don't lose one second! But Twitch cuts of several minutes before the live part and you always have a gap between the VOD and live. To see every minute on Twitch you have to wait until the stream is over.
The problem with CZcams tho, they don't promote or care about small streamers at all. Other than that, yeah
thats a lie and a half most of the time twitch playback breaks and the website stops loading and 404s me @@goingafk0
This was a really well put together video
Shes mad twitch wouldnt renew her exclusive deal for anything close to what Xqc got from Kick. Thats been a sore spot for her since what X got leaked and his wasnt even exvlusive he can still stream anywhere.
CZcams still needs to step up its game, it doesn't really push livestreams still, but if they can get that right i think its game on
they won't though. streamers switch to youtube for free now and they make no money from it. why would they invest in something that will never make them money. If they triple their market share and reach the top spot that twitch now has, they still won't make money from it, because twitch doesn't make money right now. the'll do nothing for streaming.
Idk about anyone else but I consitently get content-relevant livestream recommendations with 2 digit views, theyre pushing it with me at least.
livestreaming is dogshit
@@BoredMarcusyou know that if 1 million people watch an ad of an stream is a lot of money even if its 5 second right?. Right? i hope you are joking
@@robenriven Brother how many streamers are pulling a million viewers
I’m 31 and it was strange realizing I’m older than a lot of people, like you, that I frequently look to for insight/wisdom. Can’t imagine how my mom feels watching you 😂
My farts are better than Pokimane’s farts 💨
Happens to everyone slowly but surely lol
The United States of America 🇺🇸
It feels so weird when i think about how some of the people I watch are only like a handful of years older than me
Uh... I'm 32 but I've never thought I was looking to Ludwig for wisdom, he just seems like a chill down to earth guy that is worth watching?
The lurking comment is actually so true. CZcams streaming is better for lurkers, especially if you have CZcams premium.
from what I've heard, pricing changes based on region doesn't hurt profit but on the contrary boosts it as more people can afford to pay for it. specifically for steam games.
He’s right about lurking. I don’t even have twitch downloaded because I don’t wanna be switching platforms just to watch their gaming content and then switch back to CZcams for their CZcams content. I’d rather just watch the VODs or streams on CZcams than on twitch.
Do you have a job?
What streamers do you watch? Depending on the streamer, nothing beats the hivemind braindead chat on twitch
Mixer found out the hard way that signing people didn't pay off back in 2020
People are also using a vpn to abuse the new prime changes. Dantes was doing a subathon and some dude used a vpn to change his region to turkey, donated 20 subs. iirc dantes ended up having to stop it early because of it.
that starting segment about age made me realize how old i am and how fast the world moves, and now i have anxiety
As someone who rarely chats in livestreams and just watches, CZcams is SO much easier and less headache inducing to use.
As a newer content creator who is a streamer first, I started off on CZcams for about a year. Switched to Twitch this month, and I like it better for the time being. For someone just starting out, doing what I wanna do, I prefer Twitch for the better tools that enhance the viewer experience and the better discoverability within my own niche. I think CZcams will still be an important tool, especially as I get more serious about creating, but I have experienced much better growth on Twitch. So, it'll be my focus for now. Creating there feels more sustainable for me because that's where my community is. I'd say to anyone starting out that it's important to go where you see your community is. As I grow, I'll start to take advantage of both, because it would be silly not to.
good for you dude. I apreciate that you streamed for a longer period of time than others. so swag awesome cool dude
Pokimane doing this so twitch would get scared and would offer money or other platform, cus she envies xqc so much
YT also isn't blocked on most corporate fire walls unlike Twitch and Kick. I can't throw on a Twitch stream in the background at the office, but I can for a YT stream. I feel like this market of viewers isn't as niche as people think but I hardly see anyone mentioning it. Especially with a return to office in many industries it could have a significant impact on Americans that stream during the average work day.
How about focusing on your job and doing what you're paid for instead of stealing company time and watching CZcams videos?.... Better hope you don't get caught and then they go through your hard drive to find out how much time you've were on CZcams and make you pay it back...
@@mr.korvus9070most people listen to the radio while working, I don't think a background stream does not impact your work more than radio
@@mr.korvus9070 "Do you care to explain why you have nearly 6 hours a day of French techno live streams in your browser history for the days you're in the office? This is a serious problem"
@@mr.korvus9070 pretty good bait
yea its a shame youtube doesnt have a good interactive interface for streams or streaming culture in emotes
What makes streaming on youtube a little stronger in my mind is youtube premium vs a twitch sub or turbo. A sub/turbo is only a way of getting rid of ads and emotes with a sub but youtube premium has ad free as well as a few actual useful things people like as well.
As well as CZcams music which will always be a trillion times better than Spotify
Also use yt premium instead of spotify bcs I use yt often and listen to music. Nice to get bunch of benefits for the price of one.
Thanks for a cool video, nice to see you talk about something you’re just kinda into
My favorite Poki clip is her using the N-word unironically! She’s such an icon!
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@@hamsturinnno way you aren't aware of the poki classic . Probably her most entertaining clip
@@hamsturinn czcams.com/video/1yGLh2fSQ9Q/video.html
I prefer CZcams to be honest when watching streams (if available) because it's just waaay easier to pause and rewind during a live stream. Plus, f*ck Twitch for not pausing the stream (on viewers end) when you get an ad. Ads on twitch are fine if the stream resumed where you left off.
If CZcams put some work into the chat and more streamer end up moving over I can see CZcams pulling ahead someday. I think YT signing Lud and Valkyrae was absolutely worth it. It really helped legitimize itself in the streaming space.
streaming is a loss leader, debt is expensive, companies cutting back
Twitch is regressing: said one of the people who helped that process. Lmao.
The biggest reason I like watching streams on CZcams outside of the video player is because I already have CZcams Premium so I can watch any stream without getting ads. There’s still a lot of things that Twitch does better like culture and more fun ways to interact with streamers as a viewer but CZcams has a lot of ease of use that comes from the platform itself and carries over to live streams.
Afreeca is my home for Starcraft Broodwar, if you truly enjoy that RTS game please consider watching ASL. Its still thriving over so many years.
I think it’s crazy you still like Poki
Thats the kind of person he is, he'll just call you a misogynist if you say you don't like pokimane.
A good point that I wanna bring up is that a lot of people watch CZcams constantly. If I were to guess, many of these people are like me, and will watch streams from creators that they see a lot of videos on. I may have checked in to Twitch occasionally, but the majority of my time is on the Tube. This is where CZcams is better than Twitch. I'm already here, and I wanna watch something while I eat lunch. I might as well watch a cool live stream. If there is no live stream, I just watch a video. Simple as that.
Yea as a lurker I love CZcams it’s been over a year since I’ve used twitch
CZcams streams are so much better to watch cause no ads during a stream all the time
ad block :/
So why would YT want you to watch lives? No incentive for YT to promote lives because they lose more money than if you just watched videos.
@@cabobs2000 that’s a CZcams problem not a viewers problem, I just said I enjoy CZcams streams of my favorite creators that I don’t get 10 ad spammed
I've been considering multi-streaming, but then I have to go work around to figure out how to get everything setup and that takes a bit of time to do.
I prefer to watch on CZcams one of my hugeeee issues with Twitch is if you miss something you can’t rewind and I can on CZcams if I miss anything 🤷🏼♀️
CZcams isn’t great either with the spam bots roaming around. But, I prefer CZcams Live than spending 30 second unskippable ads and not able to reverse livestream on Twitch
Pokimane is messy, regressing and not apealing of a choice
Nice vid lud. Straight to the point, no fluff 👍
I don't understand why Twitch would be making big signings. They're the most mature of the streaming services. They don't have much to gain from trying to keep talent. They already dominate the market share, especially since it is the place to develop as a streamer over the other sites. With their budget being so tight, as much backlash as they may receive, they don't have value to gain from spending more money or appeasing streamers with prime. I understand there may be a bit of a migration, but I still think Twitch will dominate the share, and their financials will probably improve by year end due to cut cost, which the end goal as a mature industry player is to balance the financials.
I personally prefer youtube, and never have used Twitch, but I think from a business perspective what Twitch is doing is the right decision. However this does depend on how their market competitors respond, especially if youtube or someone magically decides to upheave their service and make it friendlier to use.
I have youtube on my Tv, and i use it pretty frequently there. Whenever I'm eating i turned it on and I'm inclined to check out some streams. Usually whatever i do check out, I leave them on for background noise
One other point about the fixed rates for subscriptions is that, while the costs at each country vary due to it being less/more compared to the home country you stream from, it also means more people might be able to subscribe to the channel because they can afford it. I could now easily afford per month subscription in both youtube as well as twitch compared to what it was before, as 1$/5$ equivalent in my country would be so high that it basically was never in my radar.
prime subs not normal subs, a prime sub is free with amazon prime, so this is exclusively a net loss for creators cus amazon prime didn't lower its subscription cost
I rarely comment on videos. I’m one of those lurkers you talked about. I have to give you props though. This was really thought out and hit the nail on the head. First adopters always get more. That’s why FOMO exists.
"We all get through together" Damn that was a close one, almost expected Lud to start singing Imagine
Yup streamers are on their own to generate their revenue rather than rely on contracts
The ability to watch twitch on my phone as a pop out screen plus the user friendliness of the chat will always have it as my preference.
the special mention about esports at the end was the best part imo
Another great video Mogul Mail, that Ludwig guy could never
i see this same joke every video and i still laugh at it
the horse is dead sir put the stick down we have you surrounded
1000th time I've seen this comment.
Cringe.
If CZcams had a good chat it would be a wrap for me
It was funny how big time streamers started to think they were when money was flying around but now that its run out, they gonna be hella quite now
its a shame pokimane didnt quit streaming entirely i had my hopes up for a second
CZcams da goat rn. If you have an established channels that get views i think youtube or multi streaming is the best option. Charlie, sypher pk, ninja all have alot of viewers on yt cus they already have large channels
I love watching CZcams Gaming streams on my big screen TV in 4K and no ads!!! 😎
Best of all is their incredible ability to instantly rewind the livestream to watch what I just missed!
The deal signing has stopped because there's only one reason to do it: to gain market share over other platforms. The scene is now so big that signing a single creator doesn't make enough of an impact to make it worth the kind of money needed to persuade that single creator. CZcams and Twitch have reached the point where their main way to compete is monetization and features. Kick is probably at that point too.
i love nerdy vids like these pls never stop makin gthem
I can't believe they ever even did deals like that to begin with.
I think youtube as platform is far better, even if is just for the fact of treat it like a video (pause, rewind, etc). Is a shame the chat is much worse than twitch chat
She can stay on Twitch we don't need her on yt💀
For me, there are a couple reason why watching streams on youtube makes more sense for me.
After a day at work, I like to watch a lot of youtube videos. I follow a lot of creators so I have a lot of videos to choose from. If I so happen to see one of my favorite streamers go live in my feed, I might hop in for a bit.
Ads on twitch have gotten a bit out of hand. And while the same is true for youtube videos, I decided to subscribe to youtube premium. So now when I watch a stream on youtube, I have no ads. There is twitch turbo but I don't feel the need to subscribe to that when I watch more youtube anyway.
The prime change was tbf a long time coming, it's unsustainable to give more money than the thing actually costs.
Said that this is really bad for creators from other countries especially in the global south so it really sucks, many people that stream from those countries and manage to make a living might probably be questioning live streaming altogether. Also this will create a larger competition for the English speaking market.
It's more likely that new streamers will look more into building an English speaking community because it's just more valuable now. This might've been a response to the massive Spanish and Portuguese speaking communities. Really really unfortunate.
Edit: the prime change doesn't mean twitch wants to kill prime, it means exactly the opposite. They recognize prime is a huge viewer incentive and people were probably only using prime without actually using standard subs, that's why the change happened. It only means they value prime a lot as a viewer attracting tool and this points to that not changing anytime soon.
I prefer watching streams on CZcams because I have CZcams premium and you get zero ads on any streams while getting zero ads on videos as well. With twitch you have to pay per streamer if you want no ads.
You can get "Twitch Turbo" for £12 a month, but that's only really worth if you watch more than 2 streamers a month.
I don't watch enough streamers to justify spending that much(it's not much, but yeah not paying it lel), so I just stick to watching people on YT streaming as I already pay for premium as well.
You can pay for twitch turbo to go ad-free on all of twitch.
It's clear that just like esports, VC and investors that saw the massive rise through covid, live streaming platforms also saw a massive growth throughout covid and all of the heads at the top of it thought the way to captialise on it was aggressive growth and throwing money at it. Now, everyone is back outside and not trapped watching live streams all day and all these companies have to cut down in size. It's sad for the people that lost their jobs. But it was also really easy to estimate happening.
Can someone explain to me the how the Prime rates make sense? Like I understand why Primes paid in Lyra are so low, but both the Euro and Pound are a little more valuable than the USD. These are all stable coins but the USD payout for American Primes is so much higher.
All good points, but in Pokimane's case, she has fallen off so hard she probly wouldnt have gotten a very big offer for exclusivity even if they were still doing that. She's making it seem like it's twitch's failing that they dont want to pay her to fall off further exclusively on their platform. People are kinda just sick of her smug superior attitude regarding the people who support her, and her half-assed misleading apologies nobody is buying.
Impeccable hair Mr. Wig
I only view streams on Twitch, because Twitch feels like it's a streaming platform, CZcams was a video platform, when you go into a stream on YT, it feels like they did it in 5mins. The layout, chat and everything is the same as on their video services. If they made an exclusive CZcams LIVE, or something and actually worked on it a bit, so it was user friendly, i would swap to YT no problem.
I love my chat on Twitch (that's occupying whole right side of screen), my followed streamers bar on the left, the way i can easily press "Browse" and look for other streamers in certain games.
It's not as easy and intuitive on YT.
It's not just the gaming industry or streaming platforms consolidating their resources. All of the Big Tech Industries are in massive layoffs Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Tencent, etc. In case nobody knew, we are in a recession right now...
Poki: "Listen guys... It's you... It's not me..."
It unironically is like that for most of the shit that gets thrown her way though lmao
@@SUNG0DRA Lol, Poki haters are always so eager to out themselves as incels.
Eh I just avoid her content. Shes got a very crafted persona and its not for me.@@stuntmonkey00
And poki lovers always calling anyone who doesn't like her incels
Just like how she called anyone who can't afford her bs cookies broke @@stuntmonkey00
@stuntmonkey00 ???
You guys are both twisted lmao
Twitch just didn't want to pay her the bag and she's trying to make it look like something more than that
They just fired what, 600 employees? Like someone's comment in here said: if they just sign poki to a big deal the week after cutting staff, she's going to have people with pitchforks showing up to her doorstep lmao
This had very little to do with twitch as a company, but you can say whatever you want, and she took the opportunity to make a statement rather than say "they didn't want to pay me"
It was a clever move, but nothing more than a clever move
“Most lurkers like CZcams”. No shit, I can skip an ad on YT after 5 sec, but on twitch I’ll have to watch a whole movie of ads before I can even see the stream
Twitch is far superior for chat, but CZcams is better to watch streams on.
biggest issue to me is that youtube streams are just completely invisible. Like I literally have no clue who is streaming right now. Maybe there's a way to check, but there's no 'streaming' section or whatever which keeps me, someone who mostly watches videos on youtube and not streams, from becoming a viewer on youtube streams.
I think there are MANY people like me. If they promoted the streams and kind of synthesized the video-side and livestream-side of youtube, they would attract a BIG portion of people who currently just watch youtube for videos and not for livestreams
“This is your update on nerdy shit” should be the new closer
She probably wants to stream on Twitch, CZcams, Kick, and Rumble eventually, because what's better than 1 bag? 4 bags.
The thing I like about CZcams streaming is it is convenient. When I go home I usually load up CZcams to find something to watch. If I see a creator I like is live I will typically tune in. Only reason I ever go to twitch is so I can specifically watch someone who’s only on twitch.
sometimes i wonder why ludwig video on my browser sound more quiet than other video from other channel
Esfand killing it lately with NoPixel
Cornwood has always been iconic. One of the most favorite Nopixel character
She trying to get that bag. Hope no one offers her anything
It's so true bruh, i watch sports and realise that a lot of the players are younger than me
The one thing that makes me like youtube more than twitch is that when i just want to look at a live just to check what the person is doing, i dont need to watch 3 ads before the stream opens
Poki is the type of person to not get offered an exclusive deal and then make it seem like it was her decision to move to another platform.
She didnt move to another platform shes still going to stream on twitch. She literally mentioned she wasn’t getting offered an exclusive deal in the first half of her podcast stop being dense
@@Jessica-kw8no Pokesimp is being rude to me. Can't believe it.
@@Jessica-kw8no and who tf listens to the Pokimaine podcast 😂
@@PoisonCore So... you have no arguments, got it. I have never watched a pokimane anything, but "you like pokimane" shouldn't be taken seriously with anyone with a brain. Like imagine going "You read what Trump is on trial for who does that" while trying to make the claim he is on trial for kicking a dog.
@@user-th1pv6ks5oI'm not reading all that. Congrats or sorry. Whichever fits what you said.