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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2019
- In this video we look at improving our Tamiya RZ 23t Super Stock motor by upgrading it with ball bearings...
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Entertaining video. I had no idea things like this are possible. Great to watch. Thanks Glenn. 👍🏻
Dave Pearce
Oh yeah lots you can do with motors Dave, especially if you get into tuning modified’s by advancing the timing 🤓
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
Great video i have a few tamiya cars from the 80s-90s and love these motors your the first person i have seen who shows how to do this love it many thanks subbed
Breathe -RC
Excellent welcome to the channel my friend 😊👊🏻
Great video bud. I always thought these modified/rebuild-able type motors were ball raced from the factory. I think I will be checking my motors and looking for replacement bearings, if needed. Thanks for the heads up. Thumbs up!
Great stuff, like everyone else I didn’t know that it had bushes and not bearings very informative vid, keep em coming 👍👍
Chris Stitt
Thanks for watching Chris 😊👊🏻
Bloddy Tamiyas man, we spend so much money for these motors and they give us bushings instead of bearings.
it Really is a huge improvement Loadet Current decreases, wearing decreases and Overall performance increases significantly.
Lovely Video it answers few questions i had in mind about the Motor. Thanks for Sharing. i do that on all my running motors.
Great video. 2 years later the mod worked on a BZ motor. I used Whitz RC racing products Hyper glide bearings the size is 1/8 x 3/8 x 5/32
I remember rocking the *Demon Power Quad 18T* motor in my cars, 3 minutes of pure chaos hahaha, ran it in my Avante (Original 88) Hotshot, BigWig, Mantaray, Boomerang etc. Was nuts in a 4x4 but even more loony in 2x4 haha. Killed the frog gear box instantly and forget it in the 40 MPH Brick that was the Sand Scorcher. Good times my friend, good times lol
Chris Lee - UK
Love it Chris, great memories of great times my friend 🤩👊🏻
The little modifications and general tinkering is just as an enjoyable part of the hobby as driving the cars.
Back in the 80's I was always taking apart the standard silver can 540's. They were of course non serviceable but that didn't stop me from bending back the little metal tabs and subjecting it to some DIY (Destroy it yourself) mods 😁.
One of the most common cleaning methods was running the motor in a container of water for a few minutes and then stripping it down for a forensic inspection with a toothpick, cottonbud and some WD40 lol. It probably made no difference whatsoever to performance, but it was a magical sense of achievement as a kid.
Really enjoyed this Glenn.
Do you remember the Demon motors? They were fantastic and really looked the part.
Eddie Bottoms
Demon motors 🤩🤩🤩
If we are still going next summer I really want to get hold of a pair Demon and Parma Cyclone modified’s 😍
Those two motors take me right back to the 80’s 😎👊🏻
@@TAMIYALegendsIconic motors ☺ unfortunately most of the examples I've seen are quite badly damaged, particularly the Demons, with the Red hologram type stickers often ripped, faded or completely missing. But they are over 30 years old, so it's to be expected I guess 😔
Can you believe 30 plus years have passed that quickly?
But at least we still get to keep the memories and magic alive through great channels like this. And hopefully it'll continue.
☺
ever cut your brush's ??? lol
Thanks a lot friend, it was verys interesting upgrade an upgrade motor. Finding bushings in a Tamiya RZ Motor surprised me... Nice done, thanks for sharing, take care.
Fencen Aoghen
Yes Tamiya really need to catch up and remove all bushes for bearings!
Thanks for watching 😊👊🏻
@@TAMIYALegends these motors have bushings bc they were required for jrcma regulation for stock racing in Japan and any races that follow jrcma rules.
Very interesting. I use a BZ super stock in my Blackfoot and now have one in my Ultima rerelease. I’ll have to look into replacing the bushes with bearings. Thanks.
RC Retro
Think it’s about time Tamiya moved into this century and supplied everything with bearing 😞👊🏻
It is claimed that the BZ model is the one that has bearings from factory because designed for fast offroading vehicules ( like my General Lee or just a Buggy ). So bearings for long lasting efforts and a dirt filter to tie on it avoiding debris to stick in when going insane on wild tracks
Good video, I was always stripping down motor's & cleaning them trying improve performance. 👍
stephen manley
I love the tinkering Stephen, after I’ve run this I’m going to have a play with the timing 😬
Thanks for watching buddy 👊🏻
@@TAMIYALegends after building & running, tinkering is just as much fun. That's the beauty of the hobby 👍
Good job 👍👍
I was surprised to see bushings in the BZ too ...
Jos 19192
Yeah it’s poor on Tamiya tbh 😞
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
I got recently picked up a job lot of team associated touring car parts, and found a Super Stock on there. It’s now in my Lunchbox. 😃
seven9zero
Excellent 😎
How does it run?
It feels a fair bit quicker but doesn’t wheelie anywhere near as much. It’s a good trade though.
Proper job & good fun. Another great video
Matt Hutch
Thanks for watching Matt 😊👊🏻
Nice one, I told you to do this in an other video. Mine has lasted years after I fitted bearings to my RZ motor. Theory is, around 10% more RPM & 10% more Torque. Slightly longer run times, all due to less friction., also a longer lasting motor. As long as those old bearings have no play or at least minimal play on the rotor shaft, all is well.😎 just like RC cars, bearings are the go. For efficient motoring.
Rcalltypes
You did my friend 😊👊🏻
Thanks for watching buddy
@@TAMIYALegends
Anytime, you know I’ve been looking at those cheap mod motors on eBay. I’ve seen 19t, 17t, 15t, 13t motors for like $20, I think gool rc & other brands sell them. Would you try one out? If there no good at least you could keep the bearings. Cheers Glenn👍🏻👍🏻😎
Rcalltypes
I’ve got a video coming out soon that shows one of them (17t) against a Reedy 19t, the Reedy is faster which surprised me, but as you say there are cheap and good for general running 🚗💨💨
Love this motor in my grasshopper 2.
I have the blue version of your pink one. The acto power formula i believe, 17 double. Should be rapid. I have a 17 turn triple in my Hpi pro 4 and am thinking of putting the formula into my TB Evolution. Should be rapid as these shaft drive cars have zero rolling resistance. Have a Kyosho tf5 too but i think i have a 13.5 brushless in that. Great video Glen, might have a strip and clean with mine tomorrow if i can see after my ophthalmology appointment at the hospital. 🤞
A great and interesting video my friend this will come in very useful😊🇬🇧😎👍👊
Leons rc hobbys
Excellent 😎
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
Great video. Would be interesting to see if there's a difference in rpms. Sure I saw a machine that could do that. Also a before and after endurance test would be great. Nice mod. I'll try this in the future. 👍
squareblueorange
Yeah you can buy a small dyno for them to help with tuning or just measuring the motors 😊
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
@@TAMIYALegends Can you point us in the direction of any dynos available to measure brushed motors at all? Becoming rather a rarity to find. Thanks
The brushes and collector can cleaned with a ballpoint eraser, it removes the black dirt. Those bronze bushing need to soaked in oil for a couple of hours.
Break in the motor only in one direction.
Great video Glenn. Curious now to see what performance gains it gives you.
David Wilson
Yes me too David 🤔
Thanks for watching buddy 👊🏻
You now have build a Super Stock Modified motor - get a set of soft silver brushes and you have a racing motor :-) Great work buddy !
Tamiyaa
Excellent 😎
Would the soft brushes make a big difference?
@@TAMIYALegends on my Trinity Horsepower 1987 it makes a difference of 10% on rpm and with your bearings update, this is a real screamer now
Tamiyaa
Excellent thanks for the information my friend 😊👊🏻
The superstock motors are really beautiful. It's a pity for the price they do not come ball raced.
Zack TheBongRipper
100% agree my friend 👊🏻
These super-stock motors, they are rocket fuel ! Even the Tuned range blow away average brushlesses because Tamiya, I can't even think of buying any else brand for the motion of my RC cars.
I have done this before with other brushed motors. I like to put the bearings in the freezer. This will cause the bearings to shrink just a small amount. This will make it easier to install the bearings. Try it and you will see.
Alfred Yost
Excellent information thank you Alfred 😊👊🏻
Yep, do this and use a hair dryer on the housing too! Bearings will go right in without trouble at all. Without a few seconds they transfer each others heat and it seals perfect.
Great idea mate 👌
Outback RC Australia
Thanks buddy 😊👊🏻
Another instructive movie!
fabrizio viscardi
Thanks buddy 😊👊🏻
@@TAMIYALegends Thanks to you for posting!
One would think that "stock" motors , i.e. silver can , Torque Tuned and Speed Tuned would be bushings. All others would be bearings. Thats what i had thought. Thanks for the info !
bravobob1
Well it should be like that for sure!
Thanks for watching buddy 😊👊🏻
I love your channel I learn a lot !!! I own are old Thunder dragon I want to upgrade my stock Motor what is your recommendations ?I know the thunder dragon is a vintage car but this is my first RC car my brothers bought it for me back in the day,So that’s why I want to upgrade it, And what else you can recommend to upgrade his car I am in Canada so maybe some of the part it’s hard to find from here,but If you have any recommendation website please let me know appreciate it!
Good video. I just bought a Lotus type 79 F1 crazy car kit. I’m looking for electronics for my kit. It has a motor but might replace it for powerful motor in the future. Do u have suggestions of what to get.
What size bearings are required for this mod please, Also im building a rere super hot shot right now, is the supplied gt tuned motor ball raced as std or can it be upgraded as required ?.
Great channel keep up the good work.
just bought two bearings hope i bought the right ones lol , oh well gotta learn somehow true 1/8x3/8/5/32 Hybrid Ceramic from Plaig Bearings $20-40 delivered AUD
As far as I know there is no issue with touching motor brushes. I've worked with electric motors for years (also looked it up online) and have never heard of that. I briefly worked in a starter and alternator repair shop with a guy that had been fixing motors for something like 40 years and he never mentioned not touching them either.
Do RC
Cool it’s just something I never do, always thought it was bad to get skin grease/oil on the brushes or commutator! My bad if that information is incorrect 👊🏻
What ESC is that one? I recently purchased this same motor, but my Tamiya TEU-105BK seems to cut off and on at any speed. Even tried to reset it multiple times and even swapped transmitters and nothing. Thanks! And great video!
Good job, mate! Surprised there was bushings. Thought all quality motors had bearings. Would love to try it out, opening and cleaning, with one of my GT-Tuned motors. But I hesitate 🙂
Nordic RC Visions
Thanks buddy, don’t think the GT Tuned is a re-buildable motor 🤔. That would have to be done the old school way lol.
And yes why Tamiya don’t have bearings in everything now is beyond me 🤬
TAMIYA Legends It looks very re-buildable. Just like any other motor. Hmmm.
TAMIYA Legends Why is it not re-buildable?
Nordic RC Visions
I could be wrong my friend, I just don’t remember it having the two screws in the end bell 🤔
Nordic RC Visions
Yes I just checked, its not re-buildable, the end bell is held by two metal tags from the motor can, obviously it can still be done as I said the old school way lol.
This is fantastic! I wonder which motors are up for modifying?
Alan Morris
Technically you could do any of them that have bushes, even down to a 540, but taking them apart is a little tricky 😬
Thanks for watching Alan 👊🏻
TOP VID👊💪
Great video. Is it safe to run this on 3s? The voltage range specified was 7.2 - 8.4v. I ran for a short stint on 3s and could smell a little burning?
g'day sir. im wondering how to put in a rotor in this engine and how to take out the rotor. some assistance will be greatly appreciated. and i think your vids are great :)
Definitely better than the new reedy radon motors!
Good info. Do yu know what size bearings they are?
Is this a good motor for those to RC cars that I have the monster beetle and the brat please comment back thank you so very much for this video
Nice idea
Stiv M
Thanks man 😊👊🏻
Do you think this motor would be good enough for a optima mid custom as a replacement for a lemans 240st. because theses st’s are so hard to find.
That pink motor looks like old Warlock Racing motor. I have that in my 1993 RC10T
I have a TT-02 I'm building with the Torque Tuned motor. Which Tamiya motor do you think would be a better option? I'm open to brushed or brushless set up.
Hey bud, any ideas where I can get the brush spring retainers.. I may have lost one
Are the bearings the same size as what you get in the tamiya bearing kit?
Today, I got my RZ motor via mail and I was so disappointed. This video really found me, I did not look for it. So wonderful that my proplem is being discussed here. Since I don't have an old Dyna motor that I could "slaughter", what bearings should I buy. Please, I really appreciate to get help from you guys...
1/8x3/8/5/32 Hybrid Ceramic thats the size and parameters i typed into to the bearing joint around near me - Plaig Bearings they only cost my $20 Australian and i installed them and they work great in my RZ Superstock which is in my Tamiya VQS hope this has helped you
and what size of bearings do you need for this upgrade? I don’t have an old brushed motor
I have just installed this rz and it keeps slipping when I try do full throttle I am a noob any suggestions I have the high speed gear set 62 tooth and a new motor mount what setting do I need my motor on I think it's on 22? Any help would be great
you can actually use your old bearing to as a drift to tap in the new ones.
Please help. I subscribed because I’m desperate for answers. I just bought a fully built chassis TT02R. Full alloy. I bought the remote and receiver. Now how do I pick a servo? And what engine and esc should I use? I intend on parking lot runs. Some top speed runs and drag racing it. Please help. I’m so confused and not sure what to pull the trigger on. Also how much better is it to have a program card included? Please help ! Big fan.
I do like the RZ, i think its a cracking motor i run one in my hotshot
Be interesting to know the bearing size to do this little mod.....as i don't have an acto power kicking around to take them out of
Jon Sayell
Yeah I didn’t want to actually give bearing sizes out, it seems to be a bit of a grey area on the dims depending on motor and rotor shaft size 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Thanks for watching Jon 👊🏻
The bearing is R2ZZ, just do a search you will find it.
1/8x3/8x5/32 R2ZZ
Please what is the part number of the ball bearing from tamiya?
I am using the D3 days motors in my RC cars is this motor better please comment back
Looks and sounds more powerful,27 thousand rpm! Is that more than the technigold? You could probably cool the bearings with a can of compressed air that's normally used for dusting parts of computers,bearings should just drop out then
James Cunliffe
Oh wow thanks for that tip James 😊
I think this would be roughly the same as the Technigold with the timing turned up 🤔
@@TAMIYALegends The Technigold runs at 19000 rpm at best efficiency and has less torque and weaker magnets than the Stock range of motors, which all rev at about at about 22000/23000 rpm at best efficiency, like a Dynatech 01R. But their extra torque means you can gear up a little on the pinion. I'm sure a Stock RZ/BZ/TZ would run rings around a Technigold and an 01R. And now you've put bearings in one, it might even give an 02H a run for it's money. Have you tested it yet? I'm very interested in the results.
Fruitfly01
I’m actually just going to fit it into my Hotshot today, so hopefully I’ll have it out running soon 🚗💨💨
@@tamiyasmith5851 I thought so,usually I might reply with a thumbs up but CZcams AI is preventing me doing that + changing certain words also,thanks for the info!
@@TAMIYALegends I run an RZ super stock motor in my Super Hot Shot with a 13 tooth pinion and 2 S lipo it regularly hits 44-45 km/h and wheel stands the front pointing skyward 💪 I also don't use the Tamiya wheels and tyres , I'm preserving them In new condition. I used Schumacher wheels and tyres with foams and obviously running full ball bearings. I love it. My little Super Hot Shot actually goes faster than a kyosho Fazer Chevy Camaro on 2 S with a 14 turn G14 L brushed motor. But the kyosho is definitely better handling and is a real proper racing chassis. I absolutely love Tamiya but the Hot Shot and Super Hot Shot are close to 40 year old technology.
Hello mate quick question before I attempt this mod , how does the brass bushing come out
Hey 👋🏻
The bushes should just tap out but be gentle. Getting the bearings in is a little more tricky especially with the magnets 🤣
It might be an idea to put the bearings in the freezer overnight, hopefully that’ll make it easier for you 😊👊🏻
What kind of old motors do you have do you have any D threes Please comment back thank you very much
Bearings is 1/8x3/8x5/32 R2ZZ
Nice little mod for not much money, do you know what size bearings were used? I think I will mod my brand new RZ motor just for better efficiency 🤓
mitymike 1996
Hi buddy, unfortunately I don’t know the sizes sorry 😬
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
Great video Glen can it be done with the sport tuned 540 too?
Yes technically it can be done, but it’s a little harder to take those motors apart 😬😬😬
@@TAMIYALegends a friend of mine told me that bashings are in all cars and the reason is because they don't tend to break as ball bearings do I tried to convince him of the opposite but he kept his ground...
I guess it doesn't hurt to put ball bearings in, if it breaks amen..
@@edoardobarzano978
Yeah it’s the opposite my friend, as long as you put a drop of bearing oil in now and again they’ll last a very long time 😊👊🏻
For anyone wonder why these Tamiya super stocks have bushings and not bearing is bc of JRCMA regulations. In order for any 23 turn stock motor to be used in any race following JRCMA rules, the motor must use bushings, eyelet style brushes (cannot be soldered to the brush hood) and for rebuildables to have the rotor shaft protruding from the endbell with a rounded end. Oilite bushings aren’t bad when you properly maintain them with the right oil. When the motor spins, the bushings heat up and oil starts to seep onto the armature shaft and provides a layer of oil for lubrications.
That's what she said
Proof you can't escape the curse of Tamiyas bushings! I've never stripped a motor & just assumed it had bearings. What tool did you use? Thanks.
Steve Moon
I’ve actually used a couple of sockets to remove and fit, but I would say if you’re not careful and that bearing doesn’t want to come out, you could easily damage it 😬
@@TAMIYALegends Interesting video, wish me luck as I'm gonna give it a try. Many thanks & keep up the excellent work.
Steve Moon
Appreciate your support Steve, thank you 😊👊🏻
watching this vid and see this "hot" motor is using the Tamiya bullet connectors . These don't look good quality if they are the same has the ones on the standard kit motor. I have been changing them to a deans BUT I am a newb to the hobby.
gary murphy
Yeah it’s not really classed as a hot motor, it’s only a 23t. When I do use proper hot brushed motors I solder them direct to the speedo 😊. But I’d use these bullet connectors on anything down to 12t tbh.
Thanks for watching Gary
hi what are the bearings on ebay? what size is it? thanks
What are the size of the bearings? I have a TZ coming tomorrow, and wanted to grab some bearings for it today. Cheers
1/8x3/8x5/32 R2ZZ
What size are the bearings
Is it true the less turns a motor has the more powerful it is
They put bushes in motors!?
What is the bearing size? Love you channel mate.
Zack TheBongRipper
Thank you 😊
I believe the bearing size may differ depending on the motor unfortunately 🤔
Any info about the bearing sizes and type? I would like to order new bearings.
R2ZZ
@@trebor1841978 Thank you for the info. I already made the bearing change. Used Japanese bearings from EZO.
What's about modifying the motor so you can adjust the timing?
rc guy
Yeah I’ll run it as it is to see how it runs, then I’ll have a play with the timing later, apparently somebody’s just said, you can get it up to around 32k rpm 😳
@@TAMIYALegends That's more than a 9,5t brushless motor can do...
LOL...
Brushless is nothing compared to the good old super stock /modified motors...
What I do not like, is people running vintage class with brushless systems. What I do not like even more is them restoring ol mills, and convert them to brushless, posting it on youtube and talking about the good ol days. I am probably a nerd, and I do not understand them. These days people are more in to jumping 10 feet high, to rush the blood around, like life is not giving enough. Or probably it's evolution. Any way I do not want to be a part of it. I really love your way to go with the brushed motors. You are a rare art of man kind. I can not even find a youtube video with deep knowledge about brushed motors, or of nicd batteries. Brushed motors is a uniqe dying craftmanship. Thank you :)
Goran Oieras
I agree my friend, brushless have there place, but I do enjoy the brushed motors 🤩👊🏻
@@TAMIYALegends My son just got a RC10B5M. An awesome machinery with a 6.5t bl motor in it. He loves the speed, and it realy handles well on winter surface with the mid motor and carpet tires :)
Ball bearing size?
Hilarious how non-braggy the host is. Most other shows would have claimed insane HP improvements, even without doing any sort if measuring. I got this RZ superstock in my Hornet, and it made the knobby tires into slicks within a few days. So, next we started doing burnouts, which made for great, and straight, dragrace instead!
Dose anyone here know what cutting bush's do??? well I do! you can get so much more power out of your motor. even if you can time your motor or not!!
lovejago
Yes I’ve been reading about it, very interesting I didn’t know it was a thing lol 😂
Thanks for watching buddy 👊🏻
Too hard to install the ball bearing to the motor hub.i damaged the bearing eventually
What size are the bearings? cheers
Snappy 1
That I don’t know unfortunately, it’s the first time I’ve done this, not sure if there are different sizes for different motors 🤔
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
I believe they're R2ZZ (1/8" X 3/8" X 5/32"). But please double check as I only looked around on the net
what battery did you use
7.4v 2s Lipo 👊🏻
@@TAMIYALegends thx
But what size bearings do we buy?
hello ... have you found out what size of bearings you need to upgrade the Tamiya RZ motor?
@@michaelp.8975 R2ZZ
is that the Acto you sent me?
Gene H
It is buddy, you got it going yet?
Why Tamiya provides ball bearings to this super stock motor?
Isn't the pink motor faster and why don't you like the pink one?
Brad Kalman
Yeah unfortunately the Acto-power wasn’t complete with it’s 14t rotor, although i don’t think there be much between them now tbh, the Pink Acto was a 14t double with 30k rpm 🤔🤷🏼♂️
Do tamiya list bearings as a hopup
Lee Hurst
I’ve not seen any Lee 🤷🏼♂️
I do wonder if motors have different size dims 😬
Now it will run at 30000 RPM.
Hey if you have Instagram I want to see how to do a good set up I have the same motor