X-Men: ALPHA Sets the Stage for the AGE OF APOCALYPSE! Yawn!
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Wild child and Blink weren't a new addition created especially for AOA: Wildchild was introduced into the Alpha Flight title in the 80s and I think Blink appeared in Uncanny X-Men during the Phalanx covenant crossover or shortly prior to.
Wildchild was John Byrne recycling his notion (from his and Claremont's X-Men run) that Wolverine was Sabretooth's son; so, he moved the origin and history over to Wildchild for Omega Flight as Byrne was really phoning in a lot of his Alpha Flight work (He has said so in articles.)
@@alexanderford3831 Generation X came out of Phalanx Covenant. The gimmick was that all the characters from the opening of Phalanx Covenant would make up Generation X. The covers had images of the kids in their Generation X costumes even. The twist is that Blink doesnt make it. She dies when "blinks" the cargo ship to pieces that the young future Generation X members are captured on. I remember this much too well for a real goofy comic I read 25 years ago or whenever. I guess people liked her even only being in four issues or whatever it was, I was kind of interested when she came back in AoA.
I think they brought her back into main continuity after I stopped reading, in a mutliverse type thing, maybe actually the AoA version.
Wildchild was a character from Alpha Flight, and Blink was the red-shirt from the Phalanx Covenant cross-over that birthed Generation-X
I freaking loved Age of Apocalypse and it is actually my all time favorite story. My father bought me every single issue and that had to be hard to do tracking them all down.
The Age Of Apocalypse was HUGE for me as a kid and Joe Mad’s art and designs were probably 90% of that. Yeah, the story itself hasn’t really held up that well but there’s still tons of nostalgia for this era for me and I love flipping through these issues.
Bought every issue of the event with my paper route money as a kid. By the end of it, I remember feeling like I'd been conned. The story was flat (and confusing, for a kid) and the total cost of all those issues was way too high. I think it actually broke my faith in Marvel and opened me up to independent comics.
Same. This was the beginning of the end for me and Onslaught was the actual end. I was actually quite excited about the idea but each of the comics seemed like it was only one issue stretched out. Like I was pretty happy with Weapon X number 1 but after that? It was also the first cross over that I felt got in the way. I was enjpying X-Men, X-Factor and Generation X before the Legions Quest stuff led to this. Now I have to read a comic about Mastermind as a travelling gypsy or whatever for four months, great.
A whole new bunch of lore that seemed impossible to piece together because I couldnt afford to buy all the issues, many of which were super dense and boring, and it is all getting tossed soon anyway.
as i kid i could never keep up with these major crossover events.
Astonishing X-Men by Joe Mad is the #1 go to for this. X-Men Chronicles #1 by Terry Dodson is a nice overlooked book as well that gets into the history of the characters.
Generation Next was IT, for me. Started collecting Generation X when it started. Loved Bachalo & Buckingham, plus Shadowcat has been an all-time favorite character of mine. That series stood out to me because it was so different artistically from the other books. Now that I think about it, it's kinda like Rogue One
My favorite from AoA was X-Calibre: Warren Ellis and Ken Lashley. My love of Nightcrawler sucked me in, but I remember it being one of the more interesting miniseries.
While I don't disagree with any of your specific criticisms of this book, I have a more favorable assessment of the event overall. I really liked all the alternate takes on familiar characters and thought it was a fun crossover. Some books were better than others, as always happens with this kind of thing made from diverse hands, but I enjoyed it. I do wish some of the storytelling had been a little stronger, rather than the data dumps they gave the reader, and it was a little tough to get a cohesive picture of everything going on.
A couple years before this probably, I jumped ship from comics completely. The changes in the medium and in the overall style as the industry shifted to digital completely fucked me up, it was like everything I loved about comics was suddenly stripped away from every single book. That began my dark age when it came to comic books. I didn’t start to revisit them in any real way until the mid-2010’s. I still struggle to find books with art that I actually like, but it is better than it used to be.
Same… I totally relate to this comment.
Check out Roger Cruz' comic Xampu. When he is allowed to draw in his natural style, he is a completely amazing cartoonist!
Man, this was my first Xmen comic. I was a kid who was only familiar with the cartoon and this shit blew my mind. Been an X head ever since.
The only one that I bought and read was the Generation Next comics and I loved it! The dark and gritty art matched the dystopian despair storyline perfectly.
My vote is Generation Next for that sweet Chris Bachalo art.
The redhead is Scarlett McKenzie, the female double-agent in Havok & Wolverine: Meltdown by Walt Simonson, John J Muth and Kent Williams.
Astonishing X-Men #2 is one of those comics that I’ll always be thinking about. Joe Mad (with his Art Adams/pre-Manga style) + Sabretooth throwing punches all day was about as good as it got for a 5th grade me.
I remember hating this when it came out and was pretty happy I'd already given up on superhero books by then. I had zero interest in picking this up. I still hate it today.
Generation Next had to be the best of them...the Bachalo art is perfect for the setting and Jobdell turned in some of his best work.
X-Man also worked for me. Factor X and Weapon X were pretty strong. The two main series were weak even with the Joe Mad art. I never had any use for Andy Kubert.
The art, writing, brutality, colors- perfect! And gave Bachalo a chance to redesign his kids too!
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Bachalo and Mad (Gen Next & Astonishing)were the only creators taking this event seriously- those guys went ALL OUT. Everyone else phoned it in; Cruz even light boxed Colossus's panels for the Omega issue (i think he might've been broken by his overlords, demanding he duplicate Mad's eyes and jawlines).
In regards to working from home by yourself, iron sharpens iron.
making a distinction between cruz and madureira was a formative part of my comics reading childhood. cruz felt wrong immediately and i started obsessively comparing their work.
I remember Wildchild in Alpha Flight, going by Wildheart when he looked less mutant more human (Sometime around Infinity Crusade) before reverting back to Wildchild and joining up with X-Factor. I recall he also joined up with Sabretooth’s Weapon X team, but ended up looking less Wildchild and more Nosferatu.
tl;dr - he been around a while.
Hidden Gems;
1) Universe X (2 issues) art by Carlos Pacheco
2) Factor X (4 issues) art Steve Epting
The East Go To; Astonishing X-Men by Joe Mad.
A few years ago I bought the Age of Apocalypse omnibus for cheap at a con, it collects the entire crossover.
I finally tried reading it last year, and I quit reading the dialogue during this issue because I couldn't take it, then I fell asleep at least 3 times while going through the rest of the book.
This channel should be archived for future generations.
I loved Age of Apocalypse and Legion Quest that led up to it.
Man, that was the DAYS of X-Men. I remember following it religiously at that point. Everything from Marvel felt high quality back then. The stories were mind blowing and gripping. It went from the Legion, Xavier's son going ballistic to killing him in the past where the dawn of the Age of Apocalypse starts. Later running into the Onslaught arc. Everything from even the character cards you got with the comics had gorgeous art on them. When you bought X-men back then, you knew you were buying quality. To me it was always a BIG miss for the X-men animated series that it was short lived and never got to explore this era of the comics. X-men to me never really reached the peak it did in this era. Modern x-men is a mere shadow of it's former self.
Edit: 23:15 Magneto could control his magnetism and somehow able to control not being absorbed by rogue if they touched. So she basically immediately fell for Magneto because she could have an actual physical relationship. After they hooked up Gambit went ape and left because of that. The kid is in fact Magneto and Rogue's child.
Wild Child is a long standing character from Alpha Flight, created by John Byrne - was in X-factor at the time of the AOA
I loved this whole alpha event as a kid. This cover is super nostalgic. It’s up in the attic somewhere.
I bought all of these with my school lunch money. I loved these books.
The real highlights of the AoA are the Bachalo Generation Next & Astonishing X-Men by Joe Mad. I also liked Weapon X by Adam Kubert.
This one brings me way back. Loved this story line when I was a kid.
Roger Cruz swiped a lot of the art for this from Vanguard #3 by Joe Mad, it’s almost panel for panel!
The whole company-wide crossovers, and endless reboot killed my desire to buy new comics. I wish we could go back to more self contained stories, and series where numbering means something.
Just give a character long hair and a missing body part, and you have a post-apocalyptic makeover, baby!
AoA has been on my to-read list for a long time, but uhh... maybe i'll just read the wikipedia article.
Awwww jeez I was such a mark for these books, forget about those holofoil covers, na fuck that I had the GOLD edition covers, ordered from one of those Wizard ads where they sell you a limited signed run of an issue that was still autographed like 20000 times.
The best of the 4 minis was definitely Amazing X-men (I think? The one with Andy Kubert on art). This was almost the end of the X-men for me, I thought these books were awesome but it never really picked up that momentum after this event. What an era though, I was a little teenage dork for this shit, love it!
I think the cover is "chromium" and was also done on X-O Manowar 0 and Ninjak 1...iirc Bloodshot 0 had a small inset chromium piece too
I think Wild Child was an Alpha Flight character and Blink was a deceased character from the Generation X lead-in story “The Phalanx Covenant.” I hate that I know this. 😂
Morph existed in the comics from way back when in X-Men #35 as changeling. The cartoon just dusted off an unused character that was dead and altered his codename to be more... 90s I guess?
I thought X men the animated series was the inspiration for Age of Apocalypse? The Episode "One Man's Worth."
This is the story I remember hearing back in the 90s in a few X-Men interviews. Someone proposed a storyline for the cartoon in which Xavier was killed in the past and a new reality is built around his absence. Bob Harras was the consulting producer from Marvel and when I heard the proposal, he went back to the X-Offices and told everyone that would be their next big crossover event. And because it took a year or so for the animation to be completed and then being dumped into a random Saturday morning slot, the comics end up being released first.
I wish y’all would have hit Phalanx Covenant, Legion Quest, then AoA!!
Isn't Wildchild from Alpha Flight (Gamma Flight)?
Thats the right Thumbnail! Can't wait to check out this EP of Kayfabe! Love the Age of Apoc for it's bad ass try...
Steve Eptings Factor X ROCKED!!!!
I forget which one but there's a video where Jim Lee says that Larry Stroman was the inspiration for Bishop's look. The Joe Mad miniseries gets my vote for the best one of these, atleast artwise.
I'm with you Jim, this never grabbed my interest as well, I stopped just a few issues after Uncanny 304 and X-Men 25. Read more comics, I'll bust out the whole run and give it a read after watching this video. Will you guys be visiting Vegas? for the Las Vegas Amazing Comic Con Sep 16-18, if so you need to visit my LCS Alternate Reality Comics, let Ralph know, and I'm sure tons of us will show up to see you outside the con as well.
Epic Stuff! Joe Mad and Townsend!
Best Cover Ever!^^ hahah
Dan Green on the Adam Kubert Weapon X!
Thanks for the video! I think the age of apocalypse X-men run by Madura was really great visually, that sabretooth cover was one of my favorite and the back story of and design of Sunfire was really great.
I think I liked Generation-Next the most, back in the day. Mainly for the art and the extremely dark ending (by 90s Marvel standards) to the series. Fun times. Quickly lost interest in the x-books, when the normal continuity was brought back.
Astonishing X-Men and Weapon X are the best.
The alpha book and series, which ones do I need if I wanted to have it be equal to the age of apocalypse epic collection
Ya I was fooled too. I thought it was all Joe Mad.
David Campitti was a super shady guy.
Blink debuted during the Phalanx Covenant story that kicked off with Joe Mad's first X-Men.. She 'died' during the phalanx covenant. the rest of the teens went on to become Generation X.
I do want Jim Rugg to redraw that page. But also...better use of the man's time. I see an Angel miniseries that would be perfect. Street Angel meets Spawn................yes?
Generation Next was a pretty interesting run on this but I loved the Adam Kubert art in Weapon X.
Think I just really wanted to be first. Love your show. Red Room has been on my pull list from beginning. I do feel kinda weird after reading it. The art work is amazing.
Thanks for your efforts and all the best to you both.
Cool!
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I also think it was JoeMad..
This is when I completely got out of marvel comics. Didn't come back until Secret Invasion. (And obviously am out once again.)
I had xmen omega. Tried reading it but I didn’t know what was going on so it lost me
Generation Next was the best of the crossover (Mondo! Angry Colossus! Skin!) - I missed most of the rest. I moved on to Gen13 (Bootleg to start) and the Maxx and that was it for superheroes and mutants for me mostly. I’d pick up issues for cool artists, but I never followed the storylines again.
Weapon X and Generation Next we're both dope as I remember them
Leaving aside the patriotic part of having brazilians drawing, please make more videos from that era
I had already left American comics by this time, I was at least in my 20's by the time this came out... I only bought it cause I thought the art was Joe Mad's... I was highly disappointed when I got home...The story was ass, the art was uninspiring and this book was probably the last comic I ever bought... It solidified the main reason I left Marvel and just made me dive deeper into manga and anime...
do all the age of apocalypse minis
You gotta do Omega. 🙌🏾
Wild child was alpha flight before age of apocalypse
I still bought issues of that saga, but it was mostly for collecting reasons. They had already lost me with the Joe Madureira stuff. Later in the book there were some mixed quality issues, from several different artists. Too much experimentation, mostly bad. I kinda liked some of the Carlos Pacheco issues, for example, but I really didn't care for Jeff Matsuda's style. Then the Brazilian editor folded the publication and started a new book, in a different format, much more expensive. That was really the last straw.
Goddamn these two guys are trying way too hard to be smarmy. Gave flashbacks of trying to watch AOTS on G4 back in the 2000’s.
my friend gave me this comic and i tried to read it and it was so trash. he asks me a few weeks later hey did you read and like that comic, i just said nah didn’t read it lol
Ed the Red Head on 17:22 is Wanda "Scarlet Witch"
I think Scarlett was Wanda maximoff. Scarlett witch. May be wrong tho it's been awhile
....it was a very rushed cash grab.... Bought a few for the story and not the art at all, just no respect. PEACE.
Lol AOP is 🗑