Toyota G16E-GTS: Everything You Need to Know
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- Overall, this engine is pretty awesome. In terms of power per liter, it's on another level compared to anything else Toyota has ever produced, and for three cylinder that's even more impressive. You have to consider that the load per cylinder is higher than a similar displacement four cylinder, meaning everything has to be stronger and deal with more heat.
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They should double it so they can have a Toyota I-6 in the BMW Supra and bring some bloodline to the chassis besides the badges!
Or just make a 3JZ
@@martinjimenez7392 Oh boy. Realistically speaking, a 3JZ is not viable in this day and age. The JZ family are all iron block engines, and with the age of widespread aluminum block engines, a new JZ engine will be too heavy for a modern application. Toyota has gotten the design right for an engine with good combustion design. An undersquare aluminum engine, with wide valve included angle that makes a straight path to the combustion chamber and direct injection (with optional port FI) is what they have done in their Dynamic Force lineup, and it gave these engines high thermal efficiency, so these engines are more fuel efficient and have a higher BMEP (torque per liter). An engine made from the ground up would make much more sense than trying to revive the JZ platform.
Toyota can go the easy route and ask M Division for their S58, collaborate with Mazda for R&D in this platform, or make their own engine based on the Dynamic Force platform for their GRMN Supra. Only time will tell.
I own the GR Corolla with this engine and you’re absolutely right. This is the type of engine should have been in the Supra. It’s an incredible engine that make turbo sounds you want from a Supra
I totally agree that would be an excellent idea for the supra. Also, they should bring back the Toyota MR two and put this 1.6 Liter inline 3 cylinder turbocharged petrol engine into it and give it a six speed manual transmission with the rev matching
G16 for 1.6 liter. Time for toyota to make a g30e gts motor. That could theoretically be either a v6 or i6.
The GR Corolla is coming to us with this engine, some models getting over 300+ hp 😍
Maybe, they should build a straight 6 by adding two together and call it 3JZ
Calling it a JZ would only be a marketing stunt and not be a correct way to name it. A ground up engine with a new name would market worse but it would be better off with it. Sick of these JZ this, JZ that fanboyism.
Toyota didn't call their more recent V8 a UZ for that reason. It's a completely different engine architecture, that's why it got a UR name not a UZ.
G30e gts?
JZ is an engine family, which a doubled G16 would not be a part of.
Most manufacturers offset their crankshafts these days it helps with the Conrod angle ratio. It was also used at the opposite end in the pistons of the Sierra Cosworth with their latter series engines where they offset the piston gudgeon pin.where it aided in reducing piston slap which thus helped in reciprocal mass (Less Friction Smooth Engine). Please note also that Peugeot was doing the same HP per liter in their RCZR Engine with 270hp from 1.6liters albeit with 4 cylinders back in 2014.
Thank you! I didn’t know offset cranks were so common now.
The fact that Toyota is doing this now, when they absolutely were never expected to do so after the gt86 and Supra, is just awesome. They made a 3 cylinder outperform a well known 4 cylinder in hp per liter when the 4 cylinder was putting more power down faster bc of the extra cylinder, even though the 3 cylinder could possibly (100% talking outta my ass here, correct me if I’m wrong please 👍🏾) rev higher due to light reciprocating and rotational mass. They both have drawbacks in the way of secondary imbalance issues, but ig it depends on who future proofed it the best. The fact that all they wanted, seemingly, was to make a good performance engine, with a fun power-band, all the while almost completely focusing on cooling to get there, and fucking accomplishing that in spades! Dude, I’m excited to build one of these with my kids after I buy a junked engine online, better start researching how now! 🤓
Edit: do you think if the after marked got better at machining secondary imbalance shafts for their needs, instead of almost always junking them, 4 & 3 cylinders would perform to a higher degree of difficulty with more ease?
Port injection is also good for stoichiometric mix. DI is good for lean mix and a combustion chamber cooling. D4S solves a lot of problems.
Very nice vid! Keep up the good work!
Thanks you
It’s insanely cool. I have Geo metro and so love my 3cyl! Great review)
55 HP.
VEry very verrry good video. thanks a lot for sharing all this
Ref stroke, it is quite rare to see such a short stroke high boost turbo engine nowadays. E.g. the B58 (Supra) is bore 82 mm and 94.6 mm stroke and the higher revving S58 is 84 and 90mm respectively. So 89,7mm stroke is absolutely not very large and with the relatively large bore of 87,5mm the engine is almost square. Only Porsche engines (the non-Turbo turbocharged engines) are short stroke but they are less reliant on turbocharging.
great video thanks
Nice video but I believe there are three points, but are not fully correct
A) you can run a twin scroll tc on an inline 4 (see ea888)
B) you want to avoid large exhaust camphasers to avoid large exhaust valve pockets u on the poison crown, but which would impair the incline flow
C) the variable air flow in the intake system looms to me like a second bypass scavenging the air filter to achieve easy breathing with high air flow. The shown component isn't an intake manifold from my point of view
All of the technology used in this engine has filtered down to all the dynamic force engines ie M15A-FXE (1.5 EFI DVVT-iE) , M15A-FKS (1.5 D-4 DVVT-iW) the 3 cylinder baby sisters to the GR engine so the GR engine is not a unique design or engine , it shows how well the dynamic force engine across the board are designed and built , just goes to show how much motor sport no how goes into the regular dynamic engines as well as the GR engine
i all ready own a regular 3 cylinder hybrid yaris and have just ordered a GR so i appreciate how good these engines are in the every day world
Manufacturers are using undersquare bore x stroke these days because it improves emissions. Fuel/air in the crevice between the piston crown and the cylinder wall does not tend to be burn well, and is a major contributor to hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide. You can decrease that crevice volume by moving the ring higher on the piston, but that has major limitations and disadvantages. Or, you can decrease the crevice volume by making the circumference of the piston smaller.
In the end, manifolding and cam timing dictates power/torque curves; not bore/stroke.
They use steel reinforced ring lands on the G16e.
Thanks
Funny it seems like this engine doesnt have much room for more power but 'Motive Video' in Austrailia has a 500hp stock block g16 that's super close to 10s 1/4. and they say it has no signs of slowing down, they're gonna do another turbo upgrade soon.
Ekanoo racing just ran low 11sec quarter mile in UAE they said changing the tires to slicks and some more tweaks it's gonna go high tens but next year they are gonna build there motor with stronger internals for even more power
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@@FB6K24Z7 and he still has his backseats in motives is fully stripped
Motive is doing some epic stuff with theirs!
Came here because I just saw a video of someone getting one of these to 530hp at the wheels
Toyota GR Yaris ;-), not Yaris GR :-)
Noted 👍
Can u analyse the rocker arm design? i.e. there is no "rocker retainer" system c.f. as an example the Honda B16A engine which has a shaft P/N 14631-PR3-000 in the event of "valve float"
The fiesta st is a solid all around car for the price and the motors are actually pretty reliable.. with that being said yes I will happily trade in my fiesta st for a Corolla GR when I get the chance😬
Needa put this in the gr 86
I might be late here, but I have a proposal. It might be very ridiculous, but hear me out.
What if Toyota could make a 3.2L twin turbo inline 6 based on this awesome engine to put on the Supra? It will have the benefits of an inline 6 (so bye bye balance shaft), and I think emissions would be good too since the G16E-GTS is already good in emissions. Though slapping 2x of the whole package in a MK5 Supra will be tricky, because the radiators the GR Yaris uses is comically large, compared to the tiny inline 3 sitting on the engine bay.
This theoretical engine could revive the Supra name fully. This might also somewhat quiet down those overdone "nice bmw" cries by some people. But I could only hope in this dying age of the internal combustion engine.
This guy is onto something.
That inline 6 Mazda is making is actually co developed with Toyota
@@MaddNomad1015 wow didn't know that, I thought it was just mazda making this engine. If it has toyotas touch its alright then.
V6 are the past if you ask me because both of them take boost to make fast. Most 4 bangers today can make v6 power. There's a video on CZcams with a big block honda 4 banger k2.7 and makes 400hp without turbo. So what's the point of a v6?
BTW Nissans Are trash 🗑 🙃 and when I think of a 4 banger beating a v6 I'm imaging nissan pos v6 oil burning vq motors
Great explanation and video!
…I only have one question if I may: What is up with the super low volume auto-tuned musak???
5:53 It's not odd at all that Toyota only polishes the top part of the intake port. The reason is due to production cost. If you imagine multiple engine heads going down a conveyor belt, in this case the jig for the CNC machine only has to be set up one way and doesn't need to be reset. However, if Toyota were to polish the entire intake, they would need to flip the head over to polish the valve side of the intake, because even though it's mostly straight the valve side still has a bend. That would require resetting the jig every time they flip the head which takes time, or they will need a much more expensive jig to do every head.
Or, if they were to do the entire intake without flipping the head with a cheaper jig, they would need to use a much more expensive five axis CNC machine.
Lastly, even if they can do all this cost effectively, it would still take more time. And of course, time is money.
You say Toyota doesn't make any special or performance engines.. You're forgetting about Toyota V8s that in the Lexus F cars.
One pet peeve of mine is when people say that the GR86 isn’t a Toyota. The car is so obviously Toyota’s baby through and through. It was dreamt up by Toyota and the first working prototypes were built by Toyota way back. Toyota brought the idea to Subaru because they wanted a certain center of gravity that could only be made with a boxer engine. The engine was then codeveloped by both Toyota and Subaru with Toyota writing most of the checks. Toyota, after all, owns 20% of Subaru. Subaru don’t do RWD high revving sports cars. They do AWD rally cars. TOYOTA does high revving RWD cars. The 86 is Toyota’s baby. Not Subaru’s.
I want to give credit where it’s due. Especially for a FANTASTIC car like the GR86. I have no such argument for the Supra though lol.
So .. im trying to see if i can swap the g16e gts inti my 1987 mazda b2200.
Pretty sure the best 3 cylinder was in the Geo metro.
Nnnaaaaahhhh
Lol. Yep, and even if the engine wasn't the BEST. The Metro was such an incredibly sexy looking car, it makes up for it...🤣
I think that before the g16 the last true toyota performace engine was the 2zz
ball bearing turbos are not common at all in OE applications
One comment; please change the background music. That audio loop gets tedious.
Why dont they sell these cars in Canada or USA?
Last great toyota motor was the 4.8 v10 lfa engine, puts even the 5.2 Audi to shame with that sound
With help from Yamaha as they did all the cylinder head work.
The Yaris GR is hand built in the same factory as the LFA.
cast iron is way more expensive to manufacture than aluminum
Thought I was watching, driving 4 answers's video, again.
Ok now hear me out how hard would it be to add 3 extra cylinders and make a new i6 turbo for the Supra?
A three cylinder works better with a turbo, thats why they didn't make it a four cylinder. And it would be less efficient with another 3 cylinders. The reason the used a single scroll turbo, as they say KISS. I wont explain!
Well seadoo has been doing this for 10 years. 300hp 3 cylinder in my ski. Now they make a 325hp 3 cylinder. Nothing new here....
Dude does it have a drift button!?
They could do like that konigseg (lol excuse the spelling) 3cyl twin turbo
Dust Runners Automotive Journal: "The best 3 cylinder ever made"
Koenigsegg 3 cylinder "little giant" that makes 600HP: Am I a joke to you?
not even out yet
@@dy7296 And when it is it wont be considered a "Production" engine, only a very small amount being made.
anything with “G” is Great
not coming to us though right?
It'll be in the GR Corolla set to release toward the end of the year.
The Koenigsegg Gemera has a 600 hp 2.0 liter 3 cylinder that uses twin turbos and Freevalve technology. Remarkable engineering by that company.
Could they squeeze in the words reliability and affordability in their so called world's most powerful 3 cylinder?
@@jonmanuelreyes7588 I think that stuff might trickle down and it won't be too difficult to find out. I might just go looking for interviews where they talk about that engine.
Someone should swap that into a side by side, that thing would rip through the dunes.
How much more power could these stock internals handle reliably before failure or requiring a proper engine rebuild?
HKS did about 700 HP with stock internals
@@leepicgaymer5464Nah. Not stock internals. They had to have at least changed valve springs, camshafts, head studs and gasket. I'd be surprised if they didn't have to at least reinforce the top of the deck, if not go with a full closed deck setup. Same goes for the stock pistons...I's be surprised of they didn't have to upgrade them from stock (or just got really lucky on dyno day). These engines are great, and have potential, but they can be finicky and you really have to know what you're doing as they can actually be kinda easy to break at higher power levels (400+). Their main issue at higher power levels is the open deck design and the stock pistons tend to break or shatter fairly easily. They can't really handle any amount of detonation, so you have to be really careful with pushing the power up, and avoid detonation at every step. Head separation is an issue at higher power levels, which requires reinforcement. Especially on normal gasoline. Again, these are great little engines, with great potential but not as bulletproof as some like to claim, especially in stock form, if you want to really push them.
@@BigBear-- Oh yeah i forgot about the head studs and the head gasket, i think someone developed head studs and head gaskets recently but i have no idea if HKS had it back then
@@BigBear-- HKS started by playing with the ECU settings, refining the tune as they added modifications. The idea has been to push the stock G16E as far it can go, and so far that’s entailed adding a prototype bolt-on turbo and raising boost from the factory 1.4bar (20.6psi) all the way up to 2.7bar (39.7psi). To support this, a prototype intercooler was made up, along with a modified intercooler spray system and a hard pipe kit. The stock air box was also ditched in favor of an HKS Super Power Flow filter. The result of all this is 375hp - a solid 100hp gain over stock.
But HKS didn’t stop there. An additional 100hp was gained through a 100-shot of nitrous oxide, for a total of 475hp. That’s enough juice for Taniguchi to effortlessly four-wheel drift the car around in recent tests.
@@leepicgaymer5464Right...I just want people to properly manage their expectations. The "700+ on stock bottom end" figures you hear being thrown around, aren't realistic daily numbers the motor can survive reliably. Generally they'll make that on either race gas, or high octane gasoline, and only in controlled environments for short bursts. Usually those guys end up running a secondary tune in the low 400's on E85 to save the motor. If you tried to daily that stock bottom end on that 700+ tune, you'll be replacing the motor within a few days.
Now I'm sure you could get there reliably, but it'll require a fully built bottom end, with either a fully closed deck, or at the very least a reinforced top deck, sleeves, new pistons, bearings, maybe new rods and crank. Not including all the other supporting mods...valve train, cams, cam gears, injectors/fuel system, exhaust manifold, turbo, intercooler, LSDs, a new center diff (if you want to maintain awd), new trans, oil cooler(s), etc.
@1:21 it's not the best three cylinder ever made the best is from Koenigsegg the Gemara I think it's called the TFG easily has more horsepower
What I would like to see is a comparison between this engine and the Daihatsu Charade Gtti engine which was also a 3cylinder turbo charged pocket rocket !
ill stick with the stronger real TRD 2zzge and 4age engines seen too many of these g16e gts engines inside failures lots metal from valves to conrods bottom ends. one day they fix it i hope.
If only you could buy these motors in the crate direct from Toyota.
Good informative video, but annoying background music...
The same song on a loop for 14 minutes got really old really quick
He clearly doesnt know why its a single scroll turbo!. The firing order, work it out!. The RS Turbo Focus is an in line 4 & has a twin scroll. They have differant firing order to the Yaris.
Nice vid. However, those pistons would be fine without the squirter‘s 😜
On a high compression, downsized, turbocharged high horsepower PRODUCTION engine? You are only setting yourself up for engine failure if you remove all of them.
Cosworth three cylinder needs to be in cars 🤦🏽♂️
Cosworth?, even they would be hard pushed to better this little gem!. And over the last 30 years i have had 3 Sierra Cosworths, the last one the RS 500. 220ish BHP standard & when BBR finished with it 360 BHP. In Australia they have got this Toyota doing over 500 bhp at the wheels, my RS 500 was 360 at the crank. I think Cosworth are now in the past.
Bore it out to 1.8 with sleeves or I could just put a css, “big” boost, 11 to 1, and race bearings/arp fasteners. Boom. Formula d machine if you make it rear wheel mid engine. I wanna do it, it has all the cooling to support most of it --🤷♂️
This thing is gonna be bought up fast just to have its engine dropped and put into older chassis
Actually yanmar makes the best modern 3 cylinder and fords natural aspirated 3 cylinder diesel used in their old tractors in my opinion and from my experience is probably the best 3 cylinder ever made and one of the most reliable engines ever made
I would say the engine in my jet ski could go down in history as well. Rotax 300hp supercharged 3 cylinder making 300hp from the factory. They been doing it for the past 10 years and nothing sees more abuse than watersports. I love it!
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On the subject of the Toyota badged BMW "Supra": This will be a disappointment to Toyota's and Supra's true believers that won't change. Quality and/or performance aside, it's not now and in current form never will be a Supra. If Toyota was unsure at any point of that project that it was a questionable venture, they needed only look to the past: it's been pretty clear since the mid-1940s that Japan and Germany don't have the greatest track record when it comes to collaboration...
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Thanks for sharing….if you could consider ditching the obnoxious background vibes?
Thanks for watching!
3 cylinder gasoline engines suck.
Someone forgot Koenigsegg
you kind of forgot that it is not released yet and with such a price tag there is no engineering break thought. I mean with God knows when it will make it on the road timeline and with virtually an unlimited budget it is not something worth mentioning
Not at all! The difference is that's a small production car where performance is far more valuable than reliability. Think about how often supercars break (McLaren, Lamborghini, Ferrari, etc).
Now think about how much engineering had to go into the G16E-GTS to stay inline with Toyota's historically great reliability standards. At the end of the day, the G16E-GTS is an engineering masterpiece with how well Toyota balanced performance, reliability, and economy/emissions.
@@Dustrunnersauto well said, someone got schooled
not sure why anyone's excited for it. Engine is open deck, only 3 cylinders, and an aluminum block. boo
It's Daihatsu 3cyl engine hahahaha