Can an Aircraft Lift the HEAVIEST WEIGHT In Trailmakers?
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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2023
- Welcome to another episode of Trailmakers! Today I want to try to lift the heaviest object I can build in Trailmakers! Will a creation be able to fly through the air with such a heavy load?
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In the toughest motoring expedition in the universe, you and your friends will build your own vehicles to cross a dangerous wasteland. Explore, crash horribly, use your wits to build a better rig, and get as far as you can with whatever spare parts you find on your way.
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Journey over grueling mountains, hazardous swamps, and bone-dry deserts on a distant world far from civilization - it is just you, your fellow adventurers and the amazing, jet-powered hover-buggy you built yourself. Explore, crash your vehicle, build a better one, and get as far as you can with whatever spare parts you find along your way.
Trailmakers is about building very awesome vehicles and machines, but you don’t need an engineering degree to get started. The intuitive builder will get you going in no time. Everything you build is made from physical building blocks. Each block has unique features like shape, weight and functionality. They can be broken off, refitted and used to build something new. Individually the blocks are fairly simple, but combined the possibilities are endless.
Expedition Mode is the challenging campaign mode of Trailmakers. You are competing in an off-world rally expedition with only a few building blocks to get you started. You must build, tinker with and rebuild your machine to progress. Journey through a big world, overcome deep gorges, angry wildlife and dangerous weather to progress and find new parts that will juice up your machine. The world in Expedition Mode will test your survival skills and ingenuity.
Sandbox Mode is where you want to head for an unrestricted, sandbox, vehicle-building experience. Here you can build anything you can dream of, and play around with it in the world of Trailmakers. It is a great place to test out crazy machines, and experiment with the physics engine. With tons of different blocks, hinges, thrusters and interactive vehicle parts - the skybox is the limit.
Trailmakers is even more fun if you play it with other people. Build cool vehicles and compete in mini-game modes with your friends or other Trailmakers online. Build a helicopter, send it to your friend, and shoot them out of the sky. Put two seats on a tank, and let your friend control the turret. As we get further in Early Access development Expedition Mode will also be adapted to multiplayer.
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Imagine if trailmakers had the same impact shockwave physics as instruments of destruction
Lol earthquake generator
@@Vroome942 1:39 - scrapman flying at mach 5
Ooooh
The moment the giant weight left build mode the whole world would shake
that would be horrible unless you set a specific threshold
Honestly I miss the historically accurate builds thing , when he used to build things that got built before irl I hope he does more of that
He probably got bored of it, it restricted creativity a lot.
@@booogagaming5223i guess so but it was really cool and quite enjoyable, I get how it can be boring / irritating tho
With the space update tho it could be quite amazing too , it would be really cool if he built real spaceships and stuff
He does it from time to time.... Its fine to do... But Its really hard to find interesting vehicles.
No.
It restricts creativity
On thought that struck me at the end was that the number of engines was for vertical lift. I wonder how many fewer engines you could have gotten away with by having more wings at the end :)
Also making the vehicle more aerodynamic. More speed = more lift
@@kacperkonieczny7333since the weight is a separate creation, it’s aerodynamics would be calculated separately so there’s not much point in making the carrier aerodynamic when it’s lugging around such a thing
I was thinking the same.
Alright time to go the speed of sound with the heaviest block in trailmakers
If I saw that flying around in a server, I would be terrified - before being humored by its pure function and ENTIRE lack of form
Multiplayer idea: Who can lift the most crates at once using a cargo build that looks realistic but also functional without breaking ONE block.
If I break 2 blocks within the same impact I never broke a single block.
@feketenorbert9421 clever, but you broke two one blocks :)
ok, the problem here is that ScrapMan tested how much engines give enough lift if they oriented verticaly, then he put them horizontaly and add wings. but for that new concept the source of lift are not thrusters, its wings. to make it work properly you could either leave it be vertical with additional thrusters to move side to side, or cut off some engines and add more wings if you want it be horizontal. tbh, you just lucky it evenr worked.
He said it before, he's not an engineer.
@@adriansrealm, well, im not an enginer too
Now that you have this weight you could try to build a tractor pulling competition with the guys :-D
Probably reduce it a bit so the game doesn't instantly break, it's barely holding on with a single block on singleplayer, pair that with multiplayer and things will definitely get weird quick
Build a walker mech that has to carry it up the mountain
The Sisyphus challenge
@@manuelredgrave8348 a visitor?
you'll need more than a tractor to pull that thing.
@@bbittercoffeeidk traimakers physics but can the block stay the same but they can take turns in pulling it to see who has the faster time
I think if u use more anchor blocks to secure the cargo it will be way more sturdy
I thought the same thing, but I haven't tested it myself.
@@stevepittman3770 i've done ~similar~ testing for anchors, they each have their own individual attachment force, i used em to balance vehicles, and noticed that if it was too heavy one of the anchors would pull away from the ground, and when i added another, it made that weight threshold much higher. Of course this was long ago, before even the high seas update, so the physics may have changed since then.
I think the different anchor blocks would actually clash with each other and not allow for movement due to trailmakers not having 100% static connections as well as a bit of glitchyness and it would end up self destructing
@@Omgbbqhaxlolol That's actually something of a general rule with Trailmakers, the more attachment points a block has, the more stable/sturdy it becomes. Standard blocks become harder to break off (it doesn't increase their health, it just makes the joint strength stronger) and mechanical blocks can bear more weight and more extreme forces
For example, if you have a bunch of weight on one steering hinge, it'll probably wobble all over the place, but adding more hinges to the same flex point will make it stronger. Or, if you have a wheel that's only supported by one suspension block, it'll be much more prone to bottoming out or snapping off compared to a wheel that's supported by two or more suspension blocks. And, so on and so forth
I just woke up, it's 1PM, and you release a video, what an amazing timing
This might not be in the spirit of the challenge, but
- tons of gimble jets
- electromagnet
- a couple dragon jets for steering
I think that could work.
There's an interesting effect that you experienced here; with really complex creations, you can interact with them in build mode. Shooting and damaging parts, for example. You can't destroy anything until the creation spawns in though. It's a really strange effect, as the creation will be mostly untouchable, but sometimes a bullet or rocket or other creation will collide.
ngl Trailmakers is my favorite format
I was thinking a plane should be able to lift it with many fewer engines, because you get lift from the wings. Stalling is a thing after all, you can't just fly a plane straight upwards.
Technically you can with VTOL. What if he revisits this and makes a tilt rotor (tilt jet I guess) 🤔
@@ATankNamedSteve But don't VTOL planes require severely oversized engines compared to horizontal takeoff?
random idea i had when i clicked on the video: 2v2 air battles, each person builds half a plane and they get linked with anchor blocks, or however it needs to be done. Whether it's left v right or front v back would be up to you guys, but each person has to control their half the plane.
Given the redundancy I'd love to see it in a 2 v 1 dogfight survival
You should try to make a "Weeble" from the old commercials. "Weebles wobble but they don't fall down"
When you started this video and mentioned mathing it out, I decided to try mathing the entire thing out, based on just the weights and the power of the engines. This ran into some interesting hurdles and produced some interesting results.
The biggest hurdle was the fact that we have units for the weight of parts, but not the power, and it's not entirely clear what that stat actually measures (at least not to me). I ended up assuming that it's really measuring force and that it's doing so in Newtons, which seemed to be mostly supported by my own testing. The thing is, if the force is rated in Newtons, then the strength gravity in Trail Makers is NOWHERE near what it is on Earth. After some more testing, I got a value of ~2.8011m/sec^2. If that value is correct, then you would have need between 143 and 144 engines to exactly lift the weight (the balance point falls between those two numbers).
With all of that said, I'd be kind-of curious to see you revisit this challenge, but with a horizontal takeoff in mind from the beginning. With a plane, most of your upwards force should be coming from the wings, while the engines should mostly provide horizontal force, meaning you should need far fewer of them and with fewer engines you'd have more room to add aerodynamic components that might let you reduce the engine count even further. So, that raises the question: How small can you make a plane that lifts the heaviest object in Trail Makers?
Also another idea. A vehicle that can pick up barrels and use them as a projectile for a railgun in a multi-player battle.
Dude the amount of hours you must have Put into this. CONGRATS
Edit: This should be the premise for multiplayer Monday
If you're going to put flaps at the leading edges, you'll need to flip them around as you'll want to create a pringle shape in the wing's profile, causing the air to push the front of the wings upwards as the trailing edge flaps push the back of the wing down. Many of my builds take advantage of these reverse flap physics to create lift in wings with inadequate lift
i call it: the flying shovel effect
if something is v shaped moving at --> direction aerodynamics will rotate it into >
Not a crazy idea but I would love to see more stuff with balloons. Even retrying this challenge with them or that biggest explosiv one. If you need something silly as inspiration there is the rockoon (a balloon rocket combo) or that cargo airship thing from the recent veritasium video. Maybe even a challenge to lift and transport different objects like the heaviest weight, the heaviest explosive, and some other objects like a plane, a rocket, and bombs.
"It tried so hard and it didn't get far at all" at 12:06 I see what you did there ;) *linkin park intensifies*
!! MM Spin-off Idea !!
To max you’re Multiplayer Monday brainstorming with da lads.
Right to the good stuff: Multiple round of picking up a weight block, the block getting increasingly more heavy, see who is the stronger one to pick it up. (Evolution of your own craft to make it better, MUST BE A VEHICLE aka, nothing that just attaches to the block. Magnets and anchor blocks are not allowed) (Power core limit and whatever else you need, but each round of evolution it increases)
Or if you can think of a way to flip that into scrap mechanic, would be neat.
Love da video Scrap!
Hey Scrapman, how about another 2v2 planes vs car, but attached to the car is a trailer with an anti air gun on top of it? (This was the first thing that came to my mind when i saw the trailer hinge being a thing, but i've never seen it beeing used before)
It could be another time based battle (which team survives longer as the car) and it's only over when both are destroyed. Could be fun when the trailer is disconnected.
I have had a kinda similar idea recently: Weapons can only be on a trailer/smaller, attached vehicle
havent watched you in 1 month, got a lot to watch XD
the music rly adds to the atmosphere
When the aircraft was attached to the ground with the anchor block, it was trying to lift the aircraft carrier. That's a lot more heavy than the weight-block weight, so heavy you can't move it at all!
For multiplayer Monday you should build/race planes but flip the thrust so you’re flying the plane backwards
I would like to see a battle of maximum complexity aircrafts
I love these kinds of challenges
Incredibly early does the goat repsond?
He will and he will have to
It seems to me like the anchors are just the same code as the magnets, but with the force dialed up and made to register with all collision objects, not just ones magnets affect. They either didn't think someone would try using anchors one the most massive weight, or the physics system breaks when too much attraction force is applied to non-movable objects (like the ground or other map structures).
The problem is not infinitely heavy objects (like the ground), but very light objects. If the force is too high, it can start overcorrecting (particularly because other forces are involved) and cause oscillating and ultimately an explosion
Hey this is neat! I like like maxed out challenges
Haha thanks for the video also funny that a couple of pistons are able to lift 35 tons of weight but you need a ton of thrusters moving it xD
It would be awesome to see a timer in the corner just so we know how long it actually takes to build these creations.
So, what if you took the heaviest weight in the game and made it supersonic by any means?
It may not literally be the heaviest, but it certainly is the densest
7:34 trail makers physics at their finest
I'm kinda stunned by the fact that he was able to fly with a 20° aoa and not stall out. (He needed that angle of attack to stay in the air but still, the drag must be crazy.)
You should consider using more than one anchor block / magnet / tractor beam in your creations. It might add stability.
Honestly that's exactly what I was thinking.
Really EPIC !
I want to see a race with the heaviest object. This race will be a pair, one build the stirring or trust, the other build a support(for flight and defense) and has a one small smart gun
The reason why sideways taking off didn't work is because you're now dependant on the wings for creating lift which you didnt calculate instead of the jet engines which you did calculate. During flight you had to keep it's ''nose'' up all the time so the jet engines would push (partially) upward instead of sideways. The only way it would work.
If you want a creation to not crush something when you spawn it in, drag another block out into build mode and click OK to spawn in with detached blocks. If there is only one structure, it will try to snap to ground when spawned in
6:49 I LAUGHED SO HARD
Scrapman: Tests how much weight a large jet engine can lift
Trailmakers wiki: Am I a joke to you?
Now time to do a multiplayer battle with this where one person is flying the 35000kg plane and the others are shooting it? KInda like the cargo plane video but the plane is way heavier!
If you look closely... you can see that the bottom most layer of weights are pressed below ground by the combined weight
You don't need that many engines for the plane. You only need to build up enough speed for the wings to carry the weight. In theory you could do it with one engine if you had enough wings.
you do need that many engines, try make a very heavy plane, slap a lot of wings on it and one engine, will it fly? no. the engine doesnt have enough power to get the plane going fast enough to generate the lift it needs (you also need the engines to get the speed)
@@Jakubboss99 You don't need the same amount of engines on a plane as you would if you tried to lift the same weight straight up. True you need enough power to overcome the inertia. But with enough wings you will generate lift at very low speed.
@@Jakubboss99 If you started in the air it might fly if the amount of thrust is more than the amount of aerodynamic drag. One engine and a lot of wings more than likely be a just a glider
You need to at least meet the speed required to move the mass of the plane before you even think of generating lift. Then you need to be able to hit the minimum speed required to activate your lift. Although adding wings will reduce the amount of speed needed to gain lift its also both weight and drag for your engines to fight which reduces overall preformance. Speed is your friend, drag is your enemy.
It's more effective if you tackle whats there, than to add to an already heavy aircraft. For instance he used the lowest thrust to weight engine, has abysmal aero and is still flying. He only needs to swap them out for high thrust to weight engines like the new propellers and he would instantly improve both thrust to weight and give him 3x or 4x more room to reduce the aerodynamic drag on the airframe meeting the speed required for the wings instead of hindering performance with extra wings
He honestly made it pretty God damn hard on himself, it's impressive seeing it even fly
it would take around 500 gimbal jets (at full power) to make 35000 kg have zero gravity, (one gimbal jet can lift itself and 70 extra kg just enough to make it have zero gravity) (to find out how many gimbal jets you need to make something zero gravity, you divide the weight by 70)
A dogfight with trains sounds really fun
Idea!
Aircraft carrier battle: 2V2 or 3V3
Everyone builds a vehicle, 1carrier and 1-2planes per team, the goal is to destroy the enemy carrier, the planes can respawn infinitely and have to take off from the carrier. The planes should have guns/rockets to fight enemy planes, but can only use torpedoes and guns against the carriers,(rockets and bombs would be too easy) so the carrier also has to dodge the torpedoes while letting the planes take off.
I hope you like my idea!
P.S. ideally with scrapman. I think there would only be time for 1maybe 2 rounds in a video, but there would be so much action!
You know what's funny? I've built a vehicle for this exact challenge.
And yes you can indeed build a crane that can lift and transport what I call The Brick of Power
Need to try this one again with the new space thruster
Please repeat with a dedicated cargo plane, so many unnecessary blocks used for structural support that could be used for aerodynamic lift.
With an aerodynamic wedge in the front that can reduce the drag of the weight block, engines placed on the aerodynamic structure and a more plane like layout hopefully will change the outcome.
Maybe a better landing gear setup could handle a landing under better control?
Another suggestion is the heaviest guided missile, an outside line of sight bunker buster?
When you said you wanted to land all I could think was "Nah those trolley wheels can't hold a 40 tonne object".
Trailmakers challenge
Plane wreck.
Pick a highly complex plane
-take 5 chunks of 10-20 parts off
-build a smaller plane from those chunks with a 100 block limit
-you have 10 blocks of your own for functionality
-dogfight.
Hey I have an idea. A video where you revisit your fails and try the suggestions from the comments.
Like for this one, turn some of the turbine engines upwards for more lift. If possible, lower the wings 1 row, and have some or all of those thrusters above the wings facing upwards. Lift was the problem. You don't need much for forward momentum.
"Mayday Mayday. We have lost 160-engine thrust. Request emergency landing."
Another multiplayer idea, instead of having a max block limit, you have a minimum block limit, so you have to make a bigger car
Dude that was awsome but you could have just built a lifter. Like, not an elevator, a vehicle that uses the jover pad glitch like when you make a tower of them facing down on each other and gravity just stops existing in that axis
It’s nice that they added CaseOh to Trailmakers
I’ve had a bug lately looking back at “Crimson Skies”. Air Pirates. They would drop fighters from a zeppelin and recover them by catching a hook. My favorite plane was the Hughes P21-J Devastator, a twin counter-rotating propeller pusher plane (engine in back) with “X-Wings” semi-based on the real life P-55 Ascender. Could you and Yuzzei (sorry if autoINcorrect butchers his name) use that style of hook recovery from “Crimson Skies” as a challenge, like your recent “land on a flying plane” and similar challenges, in some way? The way the “Pandora” recovered the Devastators? Or use the P-55 concept in a “push propeller plane” dogfight challenge? Or even a push-pull concept like the Dornier Do 335 just to see what kind of unique aircraft y’all might come up with?
That was awesome!
Now throw it.
I feel like making the object longer and slimmer would help with aerodynamics and using more lift and less thrust might work better. and of course multiple ancors. Since this was just proof of concept, it works, but improving on it could be enough for a multiplayer challenge (at like half the block limit and weight) for performance
Video idea: do a multiplayer air battle but everyone must make a plane that Carries the heaviest weight during combat. If that’s too hard. You could have one freight plane and the rest be fighters.
I would like to see if it's possible to lift that massive weight with either a blimp using the balloon blocks.
You and Yzuei should do another race island video but with planes, and you can only use one small propeller.
You and yuzei should do a challenge trying to make the most functional plane with max complexity
Wow, that's pretty impressive. I think the only way to improve it is to make the weight out of dynamite instead and then drop it as a bomb.
This is a joke right?
It might’ve made the aerodynamics worse, but better complexity if you moved some of the thrusters into the middle. Could’ve maybe also moved the anchor further into the build
SPOILERS:
If the music is dramatic he's about to do it. Props to the editor.
I honestly really wanna see a mech battle on multiplayer monday just 1 person walks around and 1 person controls the guns. It would be amazing to see that
Great success!
Now's the time to release a cover of Gojira's "The Heaviest Matter Of The Universe". :D
i think that for your thrust testing rig you should've put a spaceship cockpit as a placeholder for both the seat(it's also symmetrical), and the weight because it is 50kg
lov ur videos :)
"I pick things up and I put them down" design motto
Surprisingly not that heavy once i converted it to Tons 38.58 tons so just under what the Type VIII WWI tank weighted (tank from India Jones and tbe last crusade*)
*"Tank" in movie was a replica mock-up made from an excavator)
You should focus more on the amount of thrust needed to move the object to a given speed and use the massive amount of wasted complexity on lift and aerodynamics.
I think Scrapman should get the gang together and do like a form over function series of vids, where they all do different races (drag, circuit, sea and off-road), but build focusing on the form over function
Also the vid is great, like, Scrapman doing maths!
hey scrapman! the airliner engines were good in terms of power per item, but I think they had bad power:weight and power:size ratios. perhaps using space thrusters would've turned out better results? also, instead of building super tall and leaving the craft hollow, filling the internals with an engine would've possibly given better results as less support material would've been needed.
I am surprised Scrap didn't try re-shaping the weight at all.
He learns new things in each video
Well done holmes:)
you always keep me laughing btw i love your videos
I highly reccomend you to play astroneer. also, why did you forgot about this gme for years? you've already played it, but it updated a lot
Scrapman has discovered quantum entanglement.
I just had i great idea: make a muli creation, make two massive creations that combine together
i wouldve been here sooner but i was watching a biker escort an abulance through traffic.... good man he was
It’d be interesting to see you try this underwater
multiplayer monday challenge idea, 2v2 person builds a cargo plane that actually has a payload (could be something like a bunch of blocks or a mini plane, whatever you want) the other person builds an attack plane, and you have to deliver it by dropping it onto a set target without letting it take to much damage in the process
1:46 bro is doing a tutorial while using 100% of his brain power
I got an idea for multiplayer,
How about a plane or helicopter fight, but every non-fonctional blocks (wings, guns, seat, etc) is a heavy weight block, it would probably be fun or at least not easy to fly
“ohhh it tried so hard.. and did not get far”
so im not the only one who thought of the song
Challenge for you and your mates.
Make a vehicle that can move the payload from one location to another as the other team tries to avoid that! Could be boats, tractors, airplanes (well... Not airplanes as you just tried and is not the most defensive vehicle out there)
do a multiplayer challenge where you guys have to transport a heavy object for point a > b > c without crashing and whoever does it the fastest wins!
Now paint that heaviest object gold like a stack of gold bars, and use it as a weapon to drop on top of your enemy.
For multi-player Monday you should play trailmakers but you all make historical failure vehicals and then battle them just an idea
I be nice to see him making something weird and historic like the 1953 GM Firebird 1 XP-21 or the McDonnell XF-85
in experimenting in this you managed to make quantum-entangled pistons in trailmakers
The 154 was already a miscalculation. If you need 2 for 9, you need 155.5 meaning 156 just for the weights (so already 2 more). And on top of that, you need lift for the structure, that the engines are attached to... So 160 is already cutting in close.