How Few SPACE THRUSTERS Does It Take To Break The Sound Barrier?
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- čas přidán 4. 11. 2023
- Welcome to another episode of Trailmakers! Today I am putting the new space thrusters and rocket engines to the test to see how many of each is needed to reach the speed of sound and break the sound barrier on the test map!
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Not gonna lie, it's an amazing feeling to be mentioned by the creator who inspires me the most in the Trailmakers game space. 😊
Good job man
Another thing you should make a vid where you use the 0 air drag glitch and one space thruster ive tested it and it can go 1500 (mph) for scale its 750 for the sonic boom
@@unownuserrrI don’t think you meant to comment this under someone’s comment
@dragonsin1807 it's less likley for someone to see the comment if it is dtand alone. But if it's a relpy to the top comment it has a higher chance of being seen.
You're welcome.
Im impressed that the editor did the conversions and calculated Gs of accel. good job, and I hope you're payed well and doing well.
paid* not payed
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@@zacharieboivin5250 resorting to pointing out grammar errors online Zacharie is the definition of cringe.
@@waltergerling7866 that comment deservs so much more likes
if you get an altitude sensor set to -500m (or a distance sensor set to 0m invert trigger) and set the output to 0.03 and link it to the thruster (or anything which has a ramp up) it will basically just remove the ramp up.
the oprator seat, although it may look like a 2x2 from the top, is 3 blocks long, so you'd still have to use 3 stacked wedges to cover it completely when you put it on it's back.
.01 works too, can't remember but I think .03 outputs visual thrust so I prefer .01
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idk, sounds like an exploit
@@mayonasepizza That's literally how rocket engines work though. They make basically no thrust at very low burn rates, but they have to ramp up. So, IRL you could do something like that' except that the fuel would make such impractical.
Since fuel isn't a thing in this game, if there is an "exploit", it's intentionally coded into the game by the devs, meaning that it's not an exploit.
I think it's the weight difference that allows you to get away with no wheels with the space thrusters. Everything else causes too much friction with the ground.
works the same with 2 dragon thrusters
I Feel like the friction might also be a bit of an issue for some wheel-less designs , if the area of contact with the ground is too big . . but that could pretty easily be fixed with a few wedges
it's important to note that, in conjunction with the light weight of the space thrusters, their thrust is perfectly centered. with the large jet engines, there's the heavier weight to consider, but also the friction that is being added against the ground. because the off-center thrust works like a lever, pushing scrapman's sled into the ground with greater force than with the space thrusters, his speed is reduced.
I thought the same, if one jet was mounted upside down it would probably work. Of course that would require the flat connectors being the new point-on-contact on the ground, but maybe that could help? Like little dragless skis.
@@TlalocTemporalUnfortunately I think the connection points and the hitbox of the large jet engine make flat connectors unusable. Or if they can be use, they would do more harm than good with the extra blocks needed to make them work.
@@TlalocTemporal how about putting the jets on either side, it would probably require more aerodynamics, but that would even the thrust
If you have an even number could alternate left/right or up/down to have tthem cancel out
You could do a multiplayer battle between vessels that have to fight on the first round on the sea and then in the second round in space, without modifications between rounds.
I appreciate the editiors note. They're very informative and entertaining because it isn't just raw footage of trial and errors, makes the video more lively aswell
The quality of these videos are improved substantially throughout the years
10:14 That was the most big brain yet smooth brained moment i've seen in this channel.
Removing the 2x4 block underneath the seat was the right choice... *but you didn't have to replace the seat*
The gokart seat has atatchments on the front of it.
The editor is doing a pretty good job with the conversions. I'm kinda impressed that they have done them, even though they didn't have to
Now that we are back on this topic... You can use gyros as thrust with helicopter blades
@@herrickfamily7487 if you look up matreechi on the workshop you should see a bare bones concept of how to make a working helicopter just with gyros
This is one of his most revolutionary sound barrier vids ever
Year 2 of asking Scrapman to restart the "recreating x in Trailmakes" with the Frank Tinsley Submarine Tank!
I'm loving the calculations and data you've been having in your videos lately!
The editor is the best editor I’ve ever seen, he converted the kph to mph and calculated the Gs
MISSED DETAIL! The large jet engine build when he removed the wheels and aero has 2 blocks down in the corners of the engines with no aero. May have been why he couldnt reach the sound barrier. At 13:00 you can see a yellow arrow. I know he kinda fixed it later but that may have been why.
I discovered a ‘planet detector’ in the form of the attitude sensor, basically i just set it to the max value and then trigger below. I would love to see you build something using this type of thing. Maybe like a VTOL thing
I really like the little science facts that pop up telling us what’s happening it very interesting
Yo, your editor is the goat for all of the side calculations. Greatly appreciated
I think the mass is important if you don't use wheels cuz friction is bigger
Mass only affects acceleration. You don't need wheels because the test ground has 0 friction
i hope they do the teleportation thingy on this flat map,so we could easily doing things like this without worrying about hitting the wall.
wouldn't work as the edge of the flat plane's geometry would catch on the wheels/ bottom of your creation at teleport causing you to crash or fall below the map depending on how fast you are going.
Could it be that the thruster is applying torque on your creation causing it to push into the ground when you're using those big engines, whereas the small engines are pushing directly forwards?
I genuinely guessed "2 or 3" Space rockets for the sound barrier, I guessed that due to the fact that you can break the sound barrier with just 1 dragon jet engine.
This is the man that made me play trailmakers٫ I love him
i was guessing 6 for the small thruster and 2 for the big ones but didn't expect 2 small thrusters to do the job
The editor and his physics thing, I LOVE HIM.
Hey Scrapman! I had an idea for a really whacky challenge. First, you make a plane with an underbelly turret, and then apply air stabilization technology to float in the air with a massive laser turret. Finally, make the turret positionable to create the ultimate superweapon.
Sweet! I guessed 3 space thrusters, mostly cause I know how simple you can make these. Great video!
you could of used the jetpack seat and put it on its side to get a smaller profile for the space thrusters
I thought, I'll try that. The jetpack seat (operator seat) is 3 long, instead of 2
Love the videos👍
damn... this is just wow! those thrusters are so powerful, some could say even too powerful.
Those space thrusters are great, I used 8 of 'em to propel a spacecraft with 8 quantum rudders to about 260mph.
Multiplayer suggestion: do bombers vs defenders but the defenders use emp and the bombers have dynamite in them (in space or not)
i once built a giant creation that went ~4K kph an i can say, at extremely high speeds, the flat connectors can have a slight effect on drag.
"Where Scrapman's Zoomin, He don't need wheels" - XenowReborn
The reason why no wheels was better is because without an engine on the creation they become static objects, and wheels have a lot of friction compared with the blocks.
You should do a 2v2 dogfight but you share a plane. Maybe one could pilot and one fires or a rear gunner maybe? Love your vids.
reason it worked as well as it did without wheels was because small space thrusters were pushing the build up ever so slightly, which resulted in minimal friction
im so happy with the new update, space provides an unparalleled level of freedom when building
Wheels add friction. Friction adds resistance and slows you down. In trailmakers, a sonic sled will be faster than something with wheels
You removed two wedges that were actually in front of the big normal thruster, it's hitbox is a rectangle. You can see it at 12:59 when you go into build mode.
I feel like you might be able to get better results going vertical because no friction against the ground but ill try it out in a minute
but gravity....
You can turn off gravity in the session options
I guessed 10 thrusters as well. Thank you for the videos, your the best!
I think that because the space thruster had so much less contact with the ground, it had much less fristion, therefore only needing one.
Contact area doesn't effect friction
Weight does
please do a thrust challange where you do the one thruster but then with the space thruster.
I wonder if the space jets give the creation less friction since the were designed for a friction less environment. Like maybe the creators overlooked that aspect and those engines ignore friction when wheels are not present
Scrapman is literally questioning his whole existence in this video😂😂😂
I've found you can break the sound barrier with one of the small space thrusters if you use the 0 drag glitch with no wheels
I made a a sound barrier breaker with one of every thruster and it broke the sound barrier like 50 times in a row!
What you could do is remove the 4x1 and change the cockpit to spacefighter
Do a hovercraft battle where you only get to use rocket engines would be great fun.
Let’s just appreciate how much times he puts to translate the measurements and weights
scrap, in space you can directly go next to the flying chirpo and they will transmit you a message, the one tat i got said he was patrolling galia 9 so pirate don't invade them again
13:00 For a single frame, you can see some yellow arrows. I think you deleted two more wedge pieces that you needed to. Please retest :D
use the Operator Seat on th space thruster vehicle, as it has just 2x2x4 dimensions and than you can lower your aerodynamic profile
Video idea: How many power cores do you need to break the sound barrier?
6, probably, I don't remember how many it took for the previous ones like the small thrusters and stuff
Hey Scrapman, try leaving the large jet engines on to where there's a smoke trail
The profile is part of the difference, but its also the weight difference
thumbs up for the editor for converting to MPH even don't need them
That should be a T-shirt on you store: "Wheels are a scam!"
yes it totally should. i 100% agree
Space thrusters shocked me, too. I thought like 8, but 2!?!?!?!? I just can't...... they are really amazing.
next multiplayer monday more trailmakers and a capital ship battle
You forgot to cover the points where you removed the wheels. There are two orange arrows under the jet engines.
You should try throwing a paper airplane type craft around the astroid orb and catching it again when it loops around
Video idea: Try to make a sonic boom with a vehicle that has to use one of every type of thruster.
Love ur vids man
Not man it’s scrapman
It's due to how many points are on the ground, think of it like this. On small craft like the space thruster one, adding wheels will decrease ground friction by about 6 blocks while adding say another 6 to air friction, but air friction has more of an effect on speed. On a bigger craft, it still only adds 6 to air friction while it will remove like 25 blocks of ground friction.
I'd like to see you test what the effect would be of layering your shields. I imagine it would be pretty core-hungry, but a virtually invulnerable shield onion intrigues me.
Imagine modifying the space thrusters version a little bit so that it could actually fly in space with directions. IT WOULD BE SO COOL.
hey ScrapMan, you could've just lowered the Kart seat by removing the bottom block instead of putting in a heavier seat (that's the same height!)
My guess is that it will take four space thrusters
Best vids ever
I feel like reducing downforce might be extremly important without wheels
Good job scrap, now make a ridiculously fast hovercraft
What’s even crazier it that I think the space thruster variant can be made slightly *faster.* 1x2 grid blocks are 0.2 kg lighter than rounded 1x2s. Now I know that a collective 0.4 kg will make next to no difference, but it’s still wild to think that an improvement, however slight, can still be made to what is already such a tiny and efficient design.
it makes a lot of sense removing the wheels as it heavily increases aerodynamics. You should be able to do the same with skis.
Instead of swapping the go kart seat with the cockpit, you could've kept it as you had a 4x2 underneath the seat, thus needing 4 wedges, removing the block would've saved weight.
Edit: using grid blocks is also better than using those 1x2 rounded blocks.
since the flat connectors don't seem to have any aerodynamics could you make a wide "Base" to put skis on? they have almost no friction, tho i guess if they're better then wheels or not depends on if they have more drag
You need to revisit the old thrusters now, they have a small profile, too
You forgot a wedge on the jet engines, the wheels took that gap and you forgot to fill it, so you had a dirty green arrow
Here is a challenge Scrapman "Who can build the best guided land torpedo's" with Spacebound blocks.
I have a suggestion. Try to break the sound barrier with the MOST amount of the big thrusters.
Please do Multiplayer Monday Hide'n'Seek in Scrap Mechanic.
Please don't stop doing MM H'n'S in Scrap Mechanic.
It's pure fun, exhilarating, captivating and all in all it boosts imagination.
PLEASE ScrapMan. Play weekly MM H'n'S in Scrap Mechanic.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that aerodynamics on the backs of stuff actually also does stuff, even if it's not shown in the game. Maybe it got removed, I'm not really sure either.
For vehicles without wheels, you could use skis to go faster
Now that we know that 2 space jets can do it, I want to see him try with the dragon jet again.
I love scrapman
Same.
I think there's a lot of friction with the ground. Obviously wheels are bad, but maybe try using hoverpads?
Could try hoverpads to take ground friction out of the equation instead of wheels but center of mass and thrust gonna have to be even
What about an operator seat facing up for the space thruster? Its 2 by 2 compared to the cockpit, which is 3 by 2.
I didn’t have a guess for the bigger engine but the small ones I paused before your guess and also assumed 10
so one thing i found out on accident that might help, wheels on their side will be frictionless, im not sure if this is patched though.
I was up since 3:00am and was watching CZcams and looked at the time and realized scrapman uploads at 7:00 why not comment see if I’m the first guess not
you are my favourite creator
the reason why you couldn't do it with 2 jet engines with that design was probably because of the jet engines being both at the back and since there collision box is smaller than there hit box it caused your vehicle to angle up slightly which would both cause more friction and a slight loss to your forward velocity. try putting one of the jet engines in front of the cockpit to evenly distribute the weight and see if that will work
edit: this would also mean that there would be less blocks touching the ground causing friction
7:07 You should try using a flat connector or shield piece near the wheel to cut the aero and keep ground clearance. Idk if it would improve performance but it’s just an idea
You can change to the original rotation of building blocks by going to settings and scrolling down to legacy rotation
now you found that wheels don't matter as much, maybe you could retry the dargon yet and pulse jet (forgot the name), and witht he nez propellor hitbox naybe the props as well
Tip for aerodynamics in small spaces, use the side of the 1x2 shield block. It has the same aerodynamics and weight as the 1x4 wedge, while being half as long. It also cancels the aerodynamics like other regular blocks. The flat connectors also do not affect aerodynamics at all and the flat side of the shield has the same aerodynamics as a wall.
Edit: shield blocks do not have quite as good aerodynamics as the wedge 1x4, but the wedge corner 2x2x1 and potentially the wedge corner 2x2x2. Both are also lighter than the wedge 1x4
Another aerodynamic tip, if you want to fill in a space to remove the aerodynamics of that empty space, use the rounded corner inverted 1x2, being 0.2 kilograms.
I have also made adjustments to your final design for the space thrusters and I managed to get a sonic boom without going from one side of the map to the other.
Day inf of asking for thrust vectoring. Please do a video about thrust vectoring and see if it works in trail makers or not, jets irl like the f22 uses this, and they're the best. Please make it in both atmosphere and in space.
Such a good video and bro what space thusters are that op just because they are small wth