#31 Kubota B2601 Compact Tractor Grapple or Ice Breaker? outdoor channel.
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- čas přidán 23. 02. 2018
- Freezing rain and no way out....wait! Grapple? and B2601? I think I found a solution to the ice rink that has become my driveway. Grab a coffee and enjoy. :)) My Kubota B2601 Compact Tractor is a pretty amazing workhorse.
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Note: This video is for entertainment purposes only. Your Grapple and/or tractor may not be designed to be used in this manner.
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Last year after the ice storm I use my B2601 and my box blade with scarifies to get the the 3 inches of ice out of the driveway with fantastic results.
Good morning and thanks Wayne. A few folks had recommended I do the same thing and I used mine last year. Worked really well for me. Unfortunately I did not realize that I should not have used the grapple that way in this video - only had the tractor a couple of months at the time. But all good. Live and learn. Enjoy the weekend and all the best!
Very ingenious way to break the ice. Thanks for another great video!
Good day Sean! Yes it certainly got me out ok before the freezing rain came in and I got some good advice from a few subscribers on using the loader and grapple as well. Thanks and have a great week!
Picked up my ( 2650 ) 11/2018 and was able to plow some snow with it a few times this winter but watching your videos I have learned a lot to see just what this tractor can do and looking forward to putting it to work. Thanks for your time behind the wheel.
Good morning Tom. You are most welcome. Congratulations on the new tractor! My smaller B still surprises me sometimes at just how much it can do. Just have to be careful to ensure there is a good weight in the back to maintain it's stability. Enjoy your 2650 and let me know how it is going from time to time.
Outstanding ingenuity and video production! Truly enjoyed watching and marvel at what can be accomplished with our B’s.
Regards,
Gregg
Good day Greg. Thanks! Some good advice from one of the other subscribers this morning- would have been better to drag something like a box scraper than push but most important I got out :)) Freezing rain and high winds still going on right now. Cheers and enjoy the rest of the weekend!
I have a Piranha blade (BXpanded company) that mounts to my loader bucket. I had 1.5-2" of snow pack that turned to solid ice after it rained here. Ice rink for sure. Our driveway rises about 50' in about 450 - 500 feet, so it's a real problem. The Piranha blade helps, but not as good as I would like. I do have a box blade with shanks, but they mostly ride over this hard ice. They do break up the ice some but not terrific. I'm thinking to have made a custom shanks for my JD Frontier box blade with multiple harden cutter bits (stump grinder bits).
Very goog. You're on to something here. If that was somehow dragged instead of pushed, it wouldn't dig in and grab as easily. Time to make like Wile E. Coyote and be a super genius and build the ultmate device yourself.
LOL!!
Great video
Many thanks GP Outdoors! You made it! That is more than ice scarifying, it's ice removal! You may consider dragging rather than pushing like Boatdesigner said. As the goal is to make some texture at the surface of the ice. You may also consider adding a rake on your rear blade. That could be a nice project with Guy! Just be careful now that your snowblower do not swallow one of those ice blocks! Cheers!
Yes I did! LOL. And lucky because the freezing rain and high winds are still going on. But yes, I appreciate your advice as well as some others this morning. I should have simply dragged the tines to scratch up the surface. That would have given me enough traction for sure. Too funny - Guy suggested the same thing to me after I got out yesterday. :) Have learned something new again and will know better next time for sure. Thanks again Joe. Cheers and have a great week!
That is the beauty of trying new things! We learn!
Well another great video , well it did the job this year without incident probably a good idea to get the right attachment to prevent from damaging your grapple or loader arms . You’ve got quite the melt happening already , going to be above 0c here in all week , trials are going to deteriorate quickly ! Till next time GP take care , over and out from Sudbury 👍👍
Hey Mike. Yes, will need to get the proper attachment for sure. Sleds are already on the trailer and my equipment is put away. Thanks and take care!
Nice job on the hill!
Good morning and thanks Andrew! Got her done and got out ok that day. But didn't;t realize at the time that it was not a good idea to use the front FEL that way. But this year I have a box blade so if it happens again, I will be better prepared. Cheers and all the best!
the good ole kubota rescue
Yup - saved me again! Cheers and thanks!
The tines on a box blade would do a good job also without risk of damage to any equipment - but it worked. Ice is nasty ..... Great channel
Hey good evening Michael. Yup you are right. I honestly never even thought of the box blade at the time. But it would certainly have been better. A good lesson learned my friend.:)) But thanks for the advice. I know for sure what I will do next time. Glad you like the vids and thanks for helping out! Cheers!
I gotta say I like the 2 camera angles kudos on that. This winter has been a bit challenging hasn't it.
Yes it certainly has for sure. :) Thanks for watching!
Hi.. it's all ready been said but a box scraper with the teeth down would work well.. don't stress your loader to much... hey ...still no snow! Thanks for the vidio!
Hey good morning Mike. Still helpful to hear so not to worry. :)) Definitely need to do some reading up/ research on that loader etc this week. Yes looks we are getting some Spring weather early. Cheers and have a great week!
#1 fan of your kitchen hammer
LOL. Ok, point made Seth. Too funny. It actually took me a minute to get that one. Thanks for watching, and have a great week. Cheers!
Good show I wish the 3 point hitch had power down then we would put teeth on blade we get very little ice live near the big lake Michigan
Thank You
PaK
Two Rivers Wisconsin
Hey good morning Peter! Thanks for watching and the comments as always. Been getting the freezing rain all night and high winds - still raining so lucky I got the truck out before it started. Its been an odd winter for sure this year. Cheers and have a great week!
I had a similar problem on a turn around used by ski buses. It gets a lot of heavy traffic and it is difficult to stay on it all the time plowing so it gets really packed and built up. On top of that the freeze thaw cycles with the weather changes. Before long I have 12 inches of frost built up. I waited for a warm day and put the rippers down on my box blade. It tore it up enough that I could then use the bucket to scrape it off.
Hey good evening Rod. Thanks for the comment above. That sounds like the right solution for sure. I have not picked up a box blade yet but I am hoping to get one this summer for grading the driveway and it sounds like it can help with the ice in the winter too. :) Thanks for watching and for sharing this info. Cheers and have a great week!
Great Video! With all your 3 pt hitch attachments, you might want to consider a Quick Hitch. Makes changing out rear implements quick and easy. Thank-you.
Thanks Derek. A few folks have suggested that so will consider it over the next year for sure. Cheers!
@@GPOutdoors GP also look into Pat's easy change, if you have 3 pt attachments that are not compatible with a quick hitch. It saves time with lining up and moving those arms out to get on the pins.
And that's why it's good to have gravel roads and driveways if you live in the country. You can tear it up as needed then grade it and compact it later. Had you thought to back drag the grapple tines or though better of it? I wasn't there so I don't know if that would work or not for you. - You could probably weld together some old steel fence posts with some old channel into a frame and points for a bolt-on affair for the rear blade. That might allow you to not need to spend the time to remove the attachments and make the scarifying faster.
Hey good day THK! Some good ideas there - thanks. I have a box blade now so if it ever gets that bad again I will be able to use the scarifiers on the box blade. I was fairly new with the tractor at the time and didn't realize the possible effect on my loader arms but much better at it now. Thanks for the ideas though and enjoy the rest of the weekend!
Interesting.. like Boatdesigner said, I would watch the loader arms but that doesn’t work too bad.. another excuse for me to get a grapple.. now I have to go talk to upper management. I need to see what our budget is because I need pallet forks, a grapple, and a box scraper. Actually I might want to get a 4-in-1 bucket instead... great video, as always, but you don’t need me to tell you that. You know it’s true. Maybe I’ll be able to get some footage out soon, we just got 6 inches of snow. Alright, take care.
LOL. Thanks Jackson. And for the kind comments as always. :) Yes, I think BoatDesigner makes a lot of sense. I honestly didn't even think about that but now I know to be careful. Hoping to pick up a box scraper this summer so I can grade the driveway myself from now on. Be great to see some footage from your neck of the woods. Cheers and have a great week.
ashes from wood stove and studded tires is all I use in our woodlot.
Hey good day Iceroad. Some good ideas. My neighbour also uses his ashes as well. Thanks for watching and for the comment. Cheers!
I haven’t thought of that use of a grapple!
LOL. Good morning Alex. Yes, and best not to do it, I think. Back then, I didn't know that it was not good to do that with the FEL, so probably not the best idea. If you end up in that situation, it is better to use a box blade. What I have learned since then, is that the digging of that ice creates an imbalance of energy on each of the FEL arms which is not good. Cheers!
@@GPOutdoors While the imbalance is not ideal, you can't baby your machine. There would be no difference going into heavy material with the bucket loaded on one side, like trying to clean the edge of a roadway. These machines can take it (within reason). And if you break something, that's what the welder is for.
Thanks Brian! I appreciate the advice very much and good to hear. Cheers!
You really need to invest in a pair of tire chains. They make such a difference on ice and snow.
That’s awesome, seeing this reenforces the reason to get a grapple. Is your grapple ok after that work and how was your tractor with power? Thanks
Good morning Pete. Grapple is great - it has very thick steel tines. It is actually called a "Root Rake/Grapple". Designed to dig up roots I understand, as well as has the hydraulic jaw to grab things. The tractor worked well. The times when I dug too deep (ground is frozen) you could see the tires spin on the ice so I would just lift the grapple up to get going again but plenty of power to do the job. :)) Thanks for watching and all the best!
Take a peek at Kold Kutters.
nice save though
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looking good, what brand grapple do you have? SUBSCRIBED!
Hey good morning Dave.- Thanks ! It is an HLA Attachments 60" inch Root Rake Grapple. So far my favourite attachment for the tractor. You may enjoy video #34 too if you liked this one. You have a great channel- I enjoy it. Thanks for watching and subscribing !
HI have ordered a b201 and the dealer is telling me a 60 inch grapple is correct. would you recommend a 54 inch now that you have had the larger grapple for a while. When rooting brambles and brush will the 60 inch go thru it ok?
The grapple was not made for those forces. I won't last with this use. I would add a scarifier, cutting edge, on the bucket or scraper , to better handle the forces. Back dragging would be the easiest on the boom. You only want to scratch the ice. You are making do for now which is good. Great vid.
Good day Mr. Fixit. Thanks - I got a few similar comments this morning and appreciate the advice and help as always. Definitely will look to another solution in the future but important I got out before the freezing rain last night. And you are right, I think I could have just scratched the ice up to be able to get some traction for the truck. Another good lesson learned with no damage :) Thanks again and have a good week!
You have a great practical channel, for common sense people, to share knowledge. ++
So did I just realize your tractor has a front PTO or is that the snowblower frame that runs off hydraulic? Which means you can mount that snowblower to the three point as well?
It’s the snowblower frame. The mid-PTO drives the hydraulic pump.
Mid PTO runs the snowblower @2250 rpm the rear PTO runs @540 rpm. Wayne
@@wlsteffen Haha... it only took you a year to respond.. Since I asked that I've learned a LOT .. and well aware of your setup... but thanks. And because of your vids I will be getting a cab tractor...LOL
getting my first tractor soon. reading up, I do see some compare noise levels. and i always kind of ignored that factor. but as i watch video ad nauseam (and this one in particular) I am starting to see that noise could be considered in my decision. are any that much more or less noise?
Hey thanks for watching. I paid little attention to noise myself. There were several comparison videos on youtube that included the person holding a db meter against two different tractor manufacturers but I didn't really take it into consideration myself. For example, Messick's has a video out comparing the Kubota to the John Deere. However, I also see that many folks use a pair of earmuffs - sometimes radio headphones - when using their tractors. Sorry I could not be of more help. Cheers!
Just watching you switch from blower to Grapple and wondering why you didn't opt for a rear mounted blower. make life a tad easier when it comes to changing out all these attachments. Just a passing thought.
Hey good morning Plow Guy! Thanks for watching and the comment. I decided on the front mount because the driveway is about 1 mile long and winds up and down through the forest. I figured that would be too long to be twisted around. But if it wasn't so long, it would have been best to get the rear mount for sure. Thanks - all the best!
You don’t “opt” for a rear blower, you cheap out and get a rear mount blower at less than half the price of a front mounted one, and then you regret that decision forever, having to twist your back and neck the entire time you slowly blow snow in reverse.
Rear mounted blowers should be outlawed for spinal health reasons.
Box blade with scarifier lowered and tire chains.
Hey good morning Mike. Yes, I learned later. I didn't have a box blade at the time but many folks offered the same advice as you did. I picked up a box blade last summer so I am prepared now. Cheers and enjoy the weekend.
Do you recall the part number for the hitch for that snowblower? Also the model number of the snowblower? I have a B2601 and I’m looking to put a blower on mine. I have a bx2750d snowblower but I need the proper hitch, so I would think if I bought the same hitch you have…..it should work. Otherwise if I buy a new snowblower I’ll need the B3410/B3411 combo….plus thousands more dollars. But if I could buy a hitch that will go under my B2601 and hook to my snowblower. I purchased the bx2750d snowblower and the 60” front mounted blade. Both hook to the B2733 hitch that I got with the purchase, but won’t mount to my tractor. I will need the proper rear brackets. But I only paid $900 for this set up. So if I had to purchase the proper hitch….I’m fine with that. Thanks again.
Hi, I have the same tractor and wouldn’t worry too much about the loader arms, they can take it. I’ve been way harder on mine than that moving/bumping 1000lb boulders around and the arms are straight and true after 50 hrs of that kind of abuse.
I’m in the market for a grapple, what root rake/grapple combo did they put together for you? I’ve looked on the HLA website and it seems different than your setup?
Thanks and enjoy, they’re a great machine!
Good evening Andrew- hey thanks for the comments above. It is good to know that the loader can take much more than I have used it so far. The root rake/grapple is the HLA light duty model. Model RRGLD60. 60 " , 450 lbs , 1/2 inch tines. It is there under "Grapples". I spoke with one of their technical folks there 2 weeks ago and he confirmed that it can take any abuse/use that a compact tractor can throw at it. As you can see they make a lot of heavy duty equipment but he said they engineered this model for compact tractors. Hope that helps . Thanks for watching and all the best!!
on the noise level front. i just look on the kubota website to compair some model. i check bx2680/b2601/b2650. so same hp. bx2680 1001cc/3200 rpm/25.5hp; b2601 1123cc/2800 rpm/25.5 hp; b2650 1261cc/2500 rpm/26hp. in theory, the higher rpm should be the most noisier.
Good morning. Yes, could be. I am not sure as they may be dampened differently. Thanks for sharing and for watching - have a great week!
how big of a grapple do you have on your B2601 and do you have the tires weighted with beet
juice? How much weight did the beet juice add for weight? Thanks Wayne
Hey good day Wayne! Its a 60" grapple. Yes, the back tires are filled with beet juice - a definite must have for sure. Not sure of the total extra weight but you should fill them for sure for extra ballast- you definitely need the extra weight. Cheers!
You have a genial and pleasant presentation style. It would be ideal to have you as a neighbour.
Good morning and thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate that. Have a great weekend and thanks for watching. Cheers!
Your a lucky man you didnt twist that up
Hey Skeets. So I learned afterwards. Fortunate, and fortunate to have some good subscribers who helped explain why. Thanks - Have a good one!
I'm thinking of getting a fertilizer spreader for the back of our tractor to spread sand on our driveway and private road
Good stuff Charles! I can tell you it's a lot more beneficial than paying someone or having to do it the old fashioned way with a shovel and trailer. Cheers!
As a number of people have said "Watch those loader arms". They are not meant to take much beating. Better use a "Box scraper", that is if it is in the budget. Video here: czcams.com/video/-RFtZcNJw5Q/video.html
Hey good morning Ren. Good advice and a lesson learned. Looking to pick up a box scraper early summer. Thanks for the comments - always appreciated. Cheers and have a good week!
There are better tools to use that would be much easier on both you and your tractor. You may want to get a road/box leveler with ripper shanks. It works easier than a box blade and the shanks would totally destroy that layer of ice. Besides, with your long driveway you should have a tool like this anyway. It works with your 3-pt so in the winter you could keep your blower attached as a front ballast and drag the leveler. Check out some of the CZcams videos in levelers.
Hey Chris, thanks for this and for sending the link for EA. I checked it out. Pretty cool attachment - I did not know one existed. Since then I have bought a box blade so I think although the Land Leveler might be easier, I am pretty sure I will be a-ok using the box blade scarifiers. But thanks for the help and taking the time to send the info and link. Cheers and all the best!
Nice. Good luck with the box blade. I have a little BX and I found the leveler to be easier to pull because it doesn't gather dirt/gravel the way a box blade does. But your tractor is a little bigger so you'll likely have better luck. Lots of companies make those levelers...Woods, Land Pride, etc. so they are easy to come by should you ever have the interest or need.
Wonder if the box blade would work.
Hey good evening Greg! Bang on - you are right - a box blade would have been far better. However I didn't own one at the time. I got it in May but for sure in the future I will use it. Was probably not the best thing to do with my FEL but all I had at the time. Thanks for watching and all the best!!
I'm wondering if it would have been easier on the equipment to tip the grapple forward in the open position and back drag the top teeth on the ice?
Good day Brian. Yes, looking back I think that would have been much better all around. I only had the tractor a short time and not much experience. Thanks for the suggestion and have a great week!
@@GPOutdoors I'm in Kingston, Ont and in the market for a grapple for my B26 Backhoe and your videos have me thinking the 60" root grapple from HLA is the one to get. Thanks for all you do.
Thanks very kindly Brian. I appreciate it and am happy they helped a little bit. It is a tank. Believe it or not, I just bent two tines on it lifting granite. You should see that video early next week after I finish editing it. Thanks for your advice as well. Cheers!
Good work and nice use of that lower grapple edge but...... it didn't look too bad to me. Is your truck not 4WD and fitted with snow and ice or possibly studded tyres? Surely it wasn't beyond the capabilities of the truck? You sound lime you're pretty far up from your accent - is a tyre change not essential for you for winter?
Good day John. LOL. Yes, many folks say that. The camera tends to "mute" the landscape so you don't see just how sharp the incline really is. I call it the "Steep" hill because it is somewhere around a 40+ degree incline.The truck has off road tires on it and 4wd drive - locked differential. Just could not get up - even when taking a run at it. Guy has hauled the truck and my daughter out of the forest on the sides of that hill a few times over the years before I got the tractor. LOL. Studded tires and tire chains were prohibited by law here many years ago. Thanks for the good questions. Have a great weekend and all the best!
Or is that what they call their mid PTO?
Good evening HVH. Yes, it does have a rear and a mid PTO. You can run them separately or both at the same time. I use the mid-PTO for the front snowblower . I didn't want to get a rear snowblower because my driveway is very long , as you know, and I just couldn't see myself trying to look backwards for 3 hours at a time. The frame and hydraulics you see are for front mount only. I installed the 3rd Function valve so the snowblower functions are all hydraulic - the up/down, chute rotation as well as the chute directional function. You can see the axle coming from the mid pro to feed the blower. I like the fact that i have the rear and mid PTO because if I decide at some point, I can run the snowblower on the front and have a spreader filled with salt or sand running off the back PTO at the same time so as I clear the snow , I can drop the salt or sand. Hope that answered your question ok. If not, let me know. Cheers!
Do you have chains for the truck?
No, I don't carry them at all. But just got some for the tractor so that will help to keep it clear now. Cheers!
Easy to twist the loader arms. Better to pull something behind like a box scraper.
Good morning Boatdesigner. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the comment. This is my first tractor so advice is always welcome - appreciate it. Cheers and have a good week!
Thanks Guys. Really appreciate the help. Learned something new for sure and luckily without damage. Have a great week!
boatdesigner: acccully the kubota loader arms are made with stronger steel materials then other branded tractor loaders
Bo Zo: accully these kubota loaders are 100% stronger and tough accully
I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE TRACTOR TO SINK THE TINES IN AND GO IN REVERSE..
Great thinking BW. But not good to extend the curl cylinders out and drag backwards. However, to your advice, it was also not good for me to do what I did here (was early as a new tractor owner). It would have been best to use my box blade , drop the scarifiers and drag them through the ice ( kind of similar to what you are suggesting, I think). Thanks for the comment - all the best!
what size Grapple is on there? 84''?
It is a 60" which is the widest I am able to put on the B series. Cheers!
@@GPOutdoors Thank you.
Who wouid have though a grapple could be an ice breaker!!!
Well Grampie. Probably not the best use of the FEL but I needed to get out and sometimes you got to do what you got to do. LOL. Cheers !
Listen this tractor the Kubota b2601 is made to be fast and easy to swap out front and rear attachments. Mr. U are so slow and make it look like a all day project to do a simple swap
Good morning Seth. Yes I certainly was a lot slower back then, no argument there. I only had the tractor a few months and was still learning how to use it. It is quick and easy to swap out things and certainly a lot easier than what I understand you would have to do years ago before SSQA. Thanks for watching and all the best to you!
What did your Kubota dealer think of this use of grapple?
Good day Hermit! Well, now I have a box scraper which would be a better tool to use if I ever need to do that again but I had a few comments that advised that this was not good for my loader arms. So I made two calls - one to the manufacturer of the grapple. They watched the video and their technical folks said it was no problem for the grapple as it is made to dig through earth and rock etc. I called the dealer and they watched the video and said it was not going to hurt the loader arms or the tractor if I did this on occasion. He said that if I did this constantly or in thicker ice on a regular basis , that the loader arms could potentially bend because the ice surface was not naturally consistent so there are times when there is uneven pressure on one loader arm versus the other. So in short, as a normal use, this was not a good idea. But happy I didn't damage my tractor and also learned something important as I honestly had no idea of the importance of trying to manage/equalize pressure on the loader arms when using a bucket, or other implement etc. Thanks for watching and for the question. Cheers and enjoy the rest of the week!
look like that implement just earn its buying price.
Snow chains
Good point David. :) Cheers and thanks!
tire chains on truck and tractor.....aggressive ones.....problem solved
Hey good morning Daniel. Not a bad idea for the tractor. Illegal for the truck here. Cheers!
@@GPOutdoors bummer about the truck.......total game changer
What a waste of time and money. Us smart folks invest in a $100 set of tire chains for my truck. I never get stuck on ice.
Hey good morning 6. Tire chains are against the law up here, and so are studded tires. Used to be ok a long time ago, but times change I guess. However I have been discussing chains on tractors lately so not totally decided yet. Have a good one!
I have a solution , i think its called salt
LOL! Thanks Steve. :))
What a pain in the ass. You have too much stuff
Good day Mike. LOL. Yup it was, but I got out. And that day I needed to get out so you do what you have to do. Cheers and have a good one!
SALT NEED LOT OF SALT
Good morning Frank. You bet. I have a new solution this winter which I think will solve the problem. I'll show it to you soon. Cheers!