Minimoog Model D vs Sub 37: Bass

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  • čas přidán 14. 03. 2017
  • #minimoog #sub37 #review
    A look at the different characteristics of the Moog Minimoog and Moog Sub37/Subsequent37.
    I take a quick look at the basics then emulate a couple of the two oscillator patches from the Model D manual, followed by some standard bass sounds.
    / starskycarr
    Although the 37 featured here isn't available anymore the revised Subsequent 37 has replaced it:
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    Deep & Moody - 2:20
    Phat & Funky - 7:00
    Sub Bass - 10:30
    Dance Bass - 11:30
    Getting Dirty - 14:00
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Komentáře • 374

  • @tuboqueser
    @tuboqueser Před 7 lety +72

    Sub 37 is definitely darker and more modern sounding while the Model D has that amazing old school sound! Love them both.

  • @xHamish99
    @xHamish99 Před 7 lety +46

    Hey man, would love to see a studio/gear tour, showing all your gear in one video! Thumbs up if you agree!

    • @stefpir
      @stefpir Před 5 lety

      yes show it and give the postal address ... ahaha. Too risky my friend.

  • @deadmoonscriptures1556
    @deadmoonscriptures1556 Před 3 lety +11

    They both sound amazing. Subsequent 37 has a rich, deep dark tone and the Minimoog is more bright and lively. I will never sell my Sub, it's my first synth and I love it so much even though I haven't even begun to scratch the surface yet!

  • @papertarrasque
    @papertarrasque Před 6 lety +35

    The Sub 37 is a monster. Hard for the Minimoog to compete from a music making standpoint because of all the sound sculpting options the Sub has. Still, they both sound awesome and no one can be blamed for preferring one over the other.

  • @ronnieaux5290
    @ronnieaux5290 Před 7 lety

    The day has come! I can't wait for this one. Thank you so much

  • @moognificat
    @moognificat Před 6 lety

    Great comparison, mate. Well done!

  • @Paul-ur5kc
    @Paul-ur5kc Před 7 lety

    Excellent work! Thank you!

  • @paulf9814
    @paulf9814 Před 7 lety +3

    Love these videos, thanks man!

  • @treproductions9522
    @treproductions9522 Před 2 lety

    both sound so awesome! The second i think one is in the lead, the other proves their greatness right after !

  • @TonySway
    @TonySway Před 2 lety

    Both sound amazing and can get the job done!

  • @TantuBeats
    @TantuBeats Před 7 lety +7

    Damn been waiting for someone to make this video, thanks!

  • @robosdrumworld
    @robosdrumworld Před 3 lety

    Very Helpful video!!

  • @frankscassi4960
    @frankscassi4960 Před 7 lety +2

    Those glittered comments made me lough so much! Great comparison, both great in different ways

  • @michaeltechbytes
    @michaeltechbytes Před 6 lety

    So well done like all of your demos. I noticed you had your Sub37 Filter Envelope set to Multi Trigger and Reset at 6:45, would make a big difference in the sound. Sounded so bad ass it made me play my Sub37 after.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 6 lety

      +Michael N haha I think I had them turned on to make up for dodgy playing and overlapping notes!! Thanks for the comment, I'm glad your enjoying them.

  • @Deeplycloseted435
    @Deeplycloseted435 Před 6 lety +6

    Starsky, you’re killing it with these comparisons. Your videos are thoughtful, and well arranged. You clearly are a synth head and understand what we want to see. Comparing basic waveforms is nice, but how often are we using those on a subtractive synthesizer.
    I love the Voyager. The dual filters and extra features are killer! BUT.....every single time I play it, I want to turn that filter open more than it will allow. Its like I wakt to keep turning it clockwise and it just won’t go. I don’t understand this. Why limit the harmonics allowed? I was surprised to hear that the Sub37 is the same deal. I never fancied the sound of the Sub series much.
    Thanks for taking the time to do this, and your others.

  • @jaywood5831
    @jaywood5831 Před 2 lety +3

    I'm pretty impressed that the 37 holds its own with the minimoog but I'm extremely impressed that after decades of being regarded as the synth that kinda started it all in terms of a somewhat portable and usable synth that regular people could actually use, the minimoog is still so useful to this day and is still the standard of what a good mono synth is. It's clear to see why it's held in such high esteem.

  • @Nonpartisanmusic
    @Nonpartisanmusic Před 5 lety +6

    I just love the sub 37!

  • @IconicPhotonic
    @IconicPhotonic Před 7 lety +3

    Thanks, great video! Very similar, same "family" as you say, although yes, plenty of differences. I just picked up a Sub 37 and my first synth last week. Great functionality, but I do wish it could do the brighter leads as well. I like that it is dark and moody, but it seems to go from that to muddy very quickly... may be just my limited experience with hardware synths though.

    • @kierenmoore3236
      @kierenmoore3236 Před 3 měsíci

      It is definitely ‘geared’/calibrated that way …

  • @monkeyxx
    @monkeyxx Před 7 lety +12

    I was impressed with both instruments. Nice demo.

    • @MegaPhalaenopsis
      @MegaPhalaenopsis Před 7 lety +1

      The both are jewels.

    • @dash3dot
      @dash3dot Před 6 lety

      I on the other hand after watching many, many demos still hate the sounds those synths spit. Seriously I wouldn't convince myself to buy one of those things even if those were the last synths on earth. What's the purpose of those 2 synths? No trolling, honest question.

    • @insectpolitician7278
      @insectpolitician7278 Před 6 lety +1

      I could answer, but do you own synths already, and do you have any personal faves for context?

    • @ivayloivanov3744
      @ivayloivanov3744 Před 6 lety +1

      no bro, you gotta chose only one and shit on the other one.

  • @murderousmaths
    @murderousmaths Před 7 lety +9

    Fascinating video - thanks for taking the trouble to explain what you're doing! The Sub 37 does really well ... but nothing bites quite like the Model D.

    • @videosuperhighway7655
      @videosuperhighway7655 Před 7 lety

      I am playing the model D with no effects, totally dry. Sounds amazing.

    • @user-yi6jk2yp6m
      @user-yi6jk2yp6m Před 6 lety +3

      please moog engineers please produce a poly at least 4 voice

  • @chrisstrobel3439
    @chrisstrobel3439 Před 6 lety +16

    Just as a consolation my 2 Model D's, both bought several years a part in the 70's, never sounded identical either.

  • @taubennedjensen
    @taubennedjensen Před 7 lety

    Thanks for yet a great video! :) I have a SUB37 which I love but lead-wise I don't find it straight forward to get smooth/smooth-ish leads out that resembles those of the Model D. But that could simply be my limited programming capabilities. On that note, any chance you'll do a lead comparison?

  • @ArtyPartyMusic
    @ArtyPartyMusic Před 7 lety +7

    Excellent comparison! Minimoog D sounds better for me too. It has much more natural "live" sound.

  • @videosuperhighway7655
    @videosuperhighway7655 Před 7 lety +2

    WOW Makes sense now why when the Voyager came out I demoed one and was underwhelmed and never bought it. But The Model D was a different story and I bought the Reissue and real happy waiting all these years for something better. :)

    • @mackmccord3743
      @mackmccord3743 Před 3 lety +1

      Ha Eye traded my newly purchased voyager XL for mini reissue because it came out right after my return period. Lost about $800 on that trade. But the mini was a sound and a look that Eye dreamed of having before Eye really even know what the mini really did. The wood grain and the shape always got to me.. Eye had to have it lol. Eye somewhat miss the ribbon control and the xy screen and memory. But the sound of my mini and matriarch make up for it! Peace to you and your family 🤘🏽🕶️💜

  • @Lolwutdesu9000
    @Lolwutdesu9000 Před 7 lety +6

    Have to admit, despite the moog having that brighter, more "moogy" sound, the sub 37 does have its own sort of sound as well. A bit more of a blunt oomph to it. I wouldn't complain if I was given either one!

  • @kjvdude
    @kjvdude Před 6 lety +1

    I think that the variable wave shape on the Sub 37 lends itself to different harmonics. This is especially noticeable with the square wave because while you can tune in a good square wave for one note, it doesn’t keep its shape across the keyboard. The model D has fixed oscillators and maintains it. Try comparing the sub oscillator on the Sub 37 which is a fixed square wave with that of the continuous one and you’ll see what I mean. I suspect it’s the same thing with the Voyager too.

  • @swiftmello123
    @swiftmello123 Před 5 lety +3

    Love them both! For that nasty base line I'll take the 37 for the smooth stuff defiantly voy. Easy.

  • @supafly424
    @supafly424 Před 3 lety +2

    I bought a subsequent yesterday and today I watch this. The model D sound crispier, the sub a little blurred. To fight depression I tried some filters to give the sub37 more of the D-spice. Ended up with sheps parallel particles where you can give it more bite.

  • @AdamTheAd-vanc3d
    @AdamTheAd-vanc3d Před 6 lety +1

    I would be very intrested to know what the sub 37s waveforms look like pre vcf. Im just wondering if maybe 1)The Vcfs fully open cutoff frequency is actually just lower ? and , 2) wether or not the sub37 has capacitors in the audio chain to reduce some excess inherent noise and hence trimming off some high frequency. My third theory is that maybe it has something to do with the transistors in the audio are slightly being overdriven and saturated hence the curves in the waveforms . Great vid btw and good to hear a synth bod from the u.k. You defo own some outstandiing instrumemts !! ;-)

  • @tenalock
    @tenalock Před 5 lety

    model d sharper steeper env capability? with that epic ladder filter sound?

  • @mpmi7588
    @mpmi7588 Před 3 lety +2

    Kinda seems like a lot of people are just being purest or followers when it comes to the minimoog. The Sub 37 can do more and get's so damn close to the minimoog that no one is gonna notice when it's burried in a mix. Of course there's a difference when theyre made totally differently. But one is an old classic and the other is a newer classic. Put a synth/keyboard playing pro on any of these and have them play the exact same thing and youre going to love what you hear regardless. One cost too damn much and the other is more affordable and will get you there and past. You want the Sub37 to sound brighter in your song, have the engineer/mixer brighten up the EQs but in a live show........the audience will not care.

  • @OPTIONALWATCH
    @OPTIONALWATCH Před 6 měsíci

    what about the Model D vs Behringer Poly D. How do those two compare? Is it closer in sound?

  • @ChrisLongR16
    @ChrisLongR16 Před 7 lety

    Great video mate :)
    I love my Sub37, it does have a different sound to the Model D, but it can sound pretty damn similar too. Both are great synths without doubt, yes the Sub can be a bit darker sounding but changing the pole brightens it up, as does checking that you have the standard keytracking set to zero. One thing I did notice on all the patches is that you had the beat frequency on the Sub37 turned to around 3/4 o'clock on most of the patches, depending on how you made those patches (panel mode or just init) that does make a difference to the sound of the oscillators when stacked.
    The Multidrive also adds a little something to the sound, especially when it comes to needing more bass in your resonance heavy patches.
    Would be cool to get access to a download of your Sub37 patches though ;) Maybe even a few vids on how you build them.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety +1

      Thanks Chris, funnily enough I've just posted a reply to someone saying something similar re KB tracking, multidrive and filter poles. Take a look at my response to Ted Ehlers - I was having a mild panic thinking I'd left the KB track at 50%.. :)
      The beat freq will just be a leftover form other patches, so not a factor in the sounds on the video. I tend to make some patches as starting pints for the videos, run through the flow a few times in my head - trying to make sure I cover everything without repeating myself or boring the socks of everyone! So the patches in the vids normally have a stating point that I move away from as I chat and get absorbed in the demo.
      I'm thinking about a patch design video - just trying to work out the best way to do it.

    • @Room16Tattoo
      @Room16Tattoo Před 7 lety

      Sounds good mate :)
      Either way, I enjoyed it. As said, both are brilliant synths with their own character, it's not like for like but you can tell it has Moog written all over it.
      I tend to use a bit of compression and EQ if I want more top end sizzle, and of course, add in some effects and you can get lost for hours n hours.
      Look forward to the patch videos :)

  • @axelnussbaumer
    @axelnussbaumer Před 4 lety +2

    It really depends on the patch. In certain instances i like the S37 in others the D. They both seem to serve a purpose. Would be interesting to also here a little phatty with these.

  • @pdbordelon
    @pdbordelon Před 6 lety

    Such awesome machines. The SUB 37 is a tad more advanced but both sound great. I'd hope that at twice price the voyager would be a bit easier to play???

  • @sxipshirey
    @sxipshirey Před 3 lety +5

    damn, the mini-moon sounds so much more rich, there just seems to be more happening in the details of the sound

  • @mattkaz9604
    @mattkaz9604 Před 6 lety +16

    It's not always a huge difference, but i can hear why people are obsessed with the model D's sound - its more lively and sharp.

  • @jesuslovestoastyaya
    @jesuslovestoastyaya Před 6 lety +7

    I actually prefer the darker sound of the Sub 37. Both sound incredible though, life goal to own one or both :D

  • @GuitarsAndSynths
    @GuitarsAndSynths Před 7 lety

    I bought the Sub 37 as my first real analog synth due to smaller size and more affordable price tag. Someday want the larger Voyager or Model D!

  • @KeithTrigwell
    @KeithTrigwell Před 4 lety +1

    Had both, sold the 37 to get the Model D. In truth both exceptional synths but VERY different. Model D is a luxury, incredible sound. sub 37 vastly more flexible.

  • @medwaystudios
    @medwaystudios Před 5 lety

    The Sub Phatty also sounds dark on the 4 pole filter. When it's set to 1 pole the cutoff goes up a fair bit. Shame the 4 pole can't do the same. I mainly use the 4 pole only when I want darker/filtered sounds and the other poles for crisper patches.

  • @kierenmoore3236
    @kierenmoore3236 Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks for another great comparison, Starsky! Can you get the same volume from the Sub37, without the grittiness … which, as I understand it, comes from the mixer/oscillators overloading it anywhere about halfway or so? As I understand it, that’s why they brought out the Subsequent, the mixer on which has more headroom before overdriving? Does keeping the Sub37 clean (avoiding that grit, assuming that’s even possible?!) mean the Sub37 can’t be as loud as the Minimoog? Though, it seems the Sub37 & Subsequent are just darker synths, anyway - no matter what? Cheers!

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 3 měsíci

      Cheers, the Sub37 is definitely darker, the filter doesn't open as much, but I've not noticed any real difference in volumes, but then I've not done a side by side test - I'd only do something like that if I thought there was a distinct difference.

  • @wafflestoast5228
    @wafflestoast5228 Před 5 lety +21

    The model D just bites you raw in the eardrum but it hertz so good :)

  • @johndavidpeer3107
    @johndavidpeer3107 Před 6 lety +5

    Haha...I get a kick out of the fact that the Model D goes flat, as evidenced at 6:42.
    I must be the odd guy out, because I prefer the sound of the Sub 37...and I prefer that mine has a running warranty for $65 per year...love the Minimoog, don't love the crazy price and lack of patch storage - been there, done that.
    (Yeah, I know: 'Get orf my lawn!")
    BOTH needs some reverb and delay...and I DO agree about the stiff springs on the Sub 37. I was hoping they would "exercise" themselves and loosen up, the way, for example, mag springs do.

    • @synthartist69
      @synthartist69 Před 5 lety +2

      Moog tells me that the Model D cannot have patch storage or else it would not sound the same, I am guessing it would sound like a Voyager. Not sure why, my Jupiter 8 has patch storage and it sounds incredible.

  • @brianlespoir6287
    @brianlespoir6287 Před 5 lety

    If I am correct, 3 oscillators is lower voltage per oscillator, but 3 oscillators stacked is a higher voltage and the same as the 2 oscillators of the Sub 37, so if you only use 2 oscillators of the model D it's sounds quieter then the 2 of the Sub 37 and I think that is the reason the Sub 37 sounds phatter then the Model D in this comparison.

  • @subhadeepdas3944
    @subhadeepdas3944 Před 6 lety +1

    In sub37 its almost like added chorus after designing sound.Mini moog is the best, love its rawness fat sound like its in the face.

  • @exiles_dot_tv
    @exiles_dot_tv Před 6 lety

    Anybody have more info on the springs for the Moog Sub 37? I've found the keyboard is very hard to get a wide velocity range from, if I concentrate on nothing but velocity I can get a semi-decent range, but when I really get into playing and record the MIDI most of the values peak out at the top of the Midi range (127.) I've never had this much problem with velocity on a keyboard before.

    • @asdfjkl227
      @asdfjkl227 Před rokem

      Do midi in with another keyboard to control it

  • @alm5966
    @alm5966 Před 6 lety

    How does the upgraded keybed on the Subsequent compare to the standard Sub 37 one?

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 6 lety

      I’ve not tried it but if it’s anything like the model D or voyager it’s a vast improvement

  • @MELOPSMUSIC
    @MELOPSMUSIC Před rokem

    At 12' on this type of 80s bass sound i feel the sub37 doesn t have enough fast enveloppes (as the juno60 or better the pro one), do you feel the same ?

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před rokem +1

      The Rolands tended to have really wide modulation which is why they sound snappy. I don’t think it’s the speed of the envelopes but the amount of modulation. I don’t know about the S37 I’ve never put them together but it’s something I’ve noticed with other stuff. Check out my Jupiter 6 vs Super 6 where I go into this in some detail.

  • @paul_bismuth
    @paul_bismuth Před 5 lety +2

    Hello !
    Still happy with my rev2, I wonder that now you prooved to the entire world that the Behringer model D is close to the sound of the Moog, without talking about prices:
    -wich one between Model D, Grandmother ( if you know...her ?! ) and the Subsequent 37 would be the first to pair with the Rev2 ? Feel free if you think about an other contender !

    • @synthartist69
      @synthartist69 Před 5 lety +2

      So I had a Behringer D and I have a Model D Moog. The Behringer does NOT sound like a Moog in person.. maybe on compressed CZcams videos, but not in person. It was a bitch to program compared to the Moog... what one control does on the Moog does not do the same on the Behringer. I sold mine to a friend. It sounded VERY compressed, somewhere between analog and digital. Those who are selling their Model D's in hopes the Behringer will replace it are going to wish they had kept the MOOG!

    • @MilesAwayOfficial
      @MilesAwayOfficial Před 4 lety

      Grandmother is the best sounding moog mono that's under $4k

  • @alexgarber7910
    @alexgarber7910 Před 3 lety +1

    5:05 Holy smokes!! What a sound! 😃

    • @toddthomas4761
      @toddthomas4761 Před 3 lety

      Sounds like "Sexy Boy" from Air! Great tone...

  • @19karl16
    @19karl16 Před 7 lety

    would love to know how to get the sound at 3:28 , Im not advanced on synths only starting out and been trying to get that sound

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety

      Its actually a really simple 2 oscillator patch..
      1 - 25% pulse 16', max vol
      2 - 50% pulse 32', max vol
      cutoff around 1/3 max
      res around 2/3 max
      no felt envelope
      amp envelope - attack 10ms, decay 600ms, sustain 8, release 600ms
      then add more cutoff to suit...
      Keyboard tracking around 50% - or 1:1 - but you won't really notice unless playing the full length of the keyboard.

  • @robosdrumworld
    @robosdrumworld Před 3 lety

    What’s that patches at 3:14, 7:04, 10:47?

  • @synthartist69
    @synthartist69 Před 5 lety +1

    I have both. The model D sounds better to me, more alive, less compressed. I get a much better feeling when playing the Model D, so much that I don't want to stop playing. However, I do appreciate the patch storage on the Subsequent 37 as I am more of a player and prefer instant gratification by pushing a button to get a different sound. I basically use both Moogs for my raw basic meat and potato sounds.... a few basic bass and a few basic lead patches where most owners are probably more interested in all the mod routings, etc. The Subsequent 37 sounds great but I would love to have a 44 key version with a real time delay section and bigger LCD... A Sub 44... are you listening Moog? Great video BTW!

  • @patrickjamesfitzroy
    @patrickjamesfitzroy Před 5 lety

    I did notice that you had the oscillator levels set to nearer full in the mixer section of the Sub 37, whereas Moog stated that 12 o'clock was unity gain and anything beyond that was actually pushing the filter into overdrive. That might contribute to the reason why you could hear harmonic distortion in the Sub vs the cleaner sound of the Minimoog.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 5 lety

      Haha.. well spotted. Yeah I’ll noticed that too after editing the video :o I double checked the distortion on the sub and it doesn’t add more harmonics, but does alter the waveform, ever so slightly rounding off the edges. If anything it reduces harmonic content. But I should really have kept them at 12 as you suggest.

    • @patrickjamesfitzroy
      @patrickjamesfitzroy Před 5 lety

      @@StarskyCarr No worries - Tbh, I was nitpicking big time, it's a great comparison video!

  • @telegraph_hill
    @telegraph_hill Před 7 lety

    Thank you! Do you ever post patches for the sub37 from your experiments? I learn so much from your videos.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety

      Joel Dubiner Hi and thanks for watching. It's good to know they come in useful. I don't post the patches as I try to start with simple sounds and build from that in the videos. I guess I must jump a few steps when editing otherwise it could make for very tedious viewing! I'm not sure if or where I save them, but it's something to consider for future uploads.

    • @theinternetseekers2436
      @theinternetseekers2436 Před 7 lety

      The "ouch" sound at 11.50 on the sub37 is awesome i was going to ask for a patch also lol!!!

    • @theinternetseekers2436
      @theinternetseekers2436 Před 7 lety

      Whats the best filter and amp envelope settings to get a snappy pluck sound on the 37? I try all different ones but can't quite get it as plucky as i would like? Thanks

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety +1

      It's all a balance of cutoff, filter envelope amount and the filter decay. Try this for starters:
      Cutoff 320Hz
      EG AMT +3
      Both Filter and Amp env setting: attack 0. decay a single marking anticlockwise from 1, sustain 0, release anything (decay kills it anyway)
      The sustain on each will change the endpoint of the filter and amp sweep, so you can have a snappy start to a sustained note.

    • @theinternetseekers2436
      @theinternetseekers2436 Před 7 lety +1

      Thanks man I got it nice and pluky great tips thanks a load!

  • @ageshero
    @ageshero Před 2 lety

    I like that almost chorusy bass sound

  • @pcprobot
    @pcprobot Před 5 lety +1

    What is the preset called, "Squelchy?" Or is that something you made? Could not find it on my Subsequent 37.

  • @LoveandHavoc
    @LoveandHavoc Před 3 lety

    Here is a link to the Model D manual in case anyone was like me and wanted to check out the rest of the patches. Going to do my own experimenting on my subsequent 37!
    api.moogmusic.com/sites/default/files/2018-01/Minimoog_Model_D_Manual.pdf

  • @adw395
    @adw395 Před 5 lety

    Where can I get that book with knob settings for sub 37 ???

    • @tendingtropic7778
      @tendingtropic7778 Před 4 lety

      its just the minimoog manual, you can download it here api.moogmusic.com/sites/default/files/2018-01/Minimoog_Model_D_Manual.pdf

  • @xxheartbrokexx100
    @xxheartbrokexx100 Před 6 lety

    I basically run an ms10 and monologue into a mother 32 and play all 4 oscillators together controlled thru midi by my monologue live and my OB will be midid to the monologue as the master controller you can get some gnarly Moog basses out of that rig and anything else you'd ever want

  • @vladimirussachevsky1315
    @vladimirussachevsky1315 Před 7 lety +17

    I own a Sub 37 and love it. But ultimately the model D sounds better. The model d has more complex and colorful timbers. I will buy one someday in the next few years I hope. But my modular has taken over.

  • @machiwoomiapoo
    @machiwoomiapoo Před 6 lety

    Sweet!

  • @elvinlewis4233
    @elvinlewis4233 Před 2 lety

    My ears like Moog. It's those darned harmonics. Subtle but present. I haven't heard a synth I like more than the 37. Not even from Moog, so I admit my bias, but it is at least, a sonic bias.

  • @WerkPl
    @WerkPl Před 7 lety

    Thanks

  • @synthdude7664
    @synthdude7664 Před 6 lety

    Hey Starsky!
    Why didn’t you use the 12 on the filter ? Isn’t that a more classic moog sound ? It sounds much brighter than then 24

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 6 lety +1

      Hi, actually the Moog ladder filter is classic 24dB which is why I chose to stick to that. 12 dB gives a slightly brighter tone to the S37, but changes the slope (obviously!) ;) so although it’s a bit brighter than at the 24 setting it’s still not the same as the Mini.

    • @synthdude7664
      @synthdude7664 Před 6 lety

      Starsky Carr ahh I see , thanks for the reply!
      Are you good at recreating tones ? Would you be up for a challenge ? Maybe even create a lesson ? It would be very appreciated !

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 6 lety +1

      Hmmm I’m OK but tend to create what I’m looking for rather than replicating others. Interesting though - what did you have in mind?

    • @synthdude7664
      @synthdude7664 Před 6 lety

      Okay, so it’s the synth bass track to Bruno mars 24k magic . I feel it’s a model D ; and I can’t seem to get a close enough sound with the sub 37.
      Here is a google drive link that you can open to check the bass track stem .
      Would you be able to recreate these sounds with a model D and sub 37?
      I would be beyond grateful. As I can’t seem to get a close enough sound with the sub 37
      drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B3YLu7lGGpTiY0JLUnpiZGRwMzQ

  • @Mr_ToR
    @Mr_ToR Před 7 lety +1

    Awesome review. nevertheless, waveform comparisons should always be for where the oscillator produces low, mid and high frequency signal because in analog synths, the wave shape changes throughout the frequency range even on the same oscillator. So it is better to see a comparison of the change. That's the beauty of analog, everything is supposed to change :-)

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety

      Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed it. I take your point. Although changes are minor they are there - which is why I badged this as a bass comparison - so only looking at the lower end of the frequencies.
      I'm thinking of doing similar one for leads, where I'll take a look at changes over the frequency ranges as well.

    • @Mr_ToR
      @Mr_ToR Před 7 lety +1

      👍 👍 😄

  • @s.f.n.641
    @s.f.n.641 Před 4 lety +1

    Is it possible to run a model D through the subsequent 37 and playing them at the same time (midi), to have more OSC’s and have the best of both worlds?

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 4 lety +3

      Yes, the S37 has an external signal input. But you’d lose the brightness of the Minimoog’s filter. but a fun afternoon doing it :)

    • @DaveBessell
      @DaveBessell Před 3 lety

      I've actually done that - just by sending the same midi to both and then mixing the audio together. You can get some ridiculously fat sounds but honestly some of them are too fat for my music which tends to be quite busy anyway. Usually the minimoog alone will give you as fat as you want. Sending the Sub 37 oscillators through the mini filter might be worthwhile - I will have to try that out.

  • @explosionmonty
    @explosionmonty Před rokem

    good comparison, but not completely fair, its important to be careful on the sub37 in the mixer section, all above 12 o'clock goes into overdrive by intention. So it explains why the sounds are relatively good matched with just one OSC on but changes drastically with all combined, because there is no headroom left with full opened OSC volumes and it just distorts and compresses the sound. but anyways nice comparison.

  • @hypnodelica
    @hypnodelica Před 7 lety +9

    As a Sub 37 owner I have to concede that the MiniMoog sounds a little brighter, squelchier and slightly better in a head to head - but for 3 times the price I just don't see the new Model D as giving the same value for money... especially when you factor in all of the bells and whistles they've stuck on the Sub 37...

    • @hypnodelica
      @hypnodelica Před 4 lety

      @NelyL If I wanted a rack mod instead of a keyboard and if I was happy to lose the sequencer, the arpeggiator, the modulation, the preset memory and stable tuning I would definitely opt for a Behringer Model D over my Sub 37...

    • @hypnodelica
      @hypnodelica Před 4 lety

      @NelyL Personally I'd rather get the Poly D - an extra oscillator, limited polyphony, a couple of built in effects, a sequencer, keyboard, and it looks like a Model D... I know it's £300 more than the rack version but it just looks better all around if you wanted a Model D clone

  • @F0nkyNinja
    @F0nkyNinja Před 7 lety

    is the sub37 in 2-pole or 4-pole mode here?

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety +1

      It in 4 pole mode throughout - so as to match with the Model D. Reducing the poles to 18, 12 or 6dB mode increases the top end slightly, but still comes nowhere near the Model Ds top. Changing the poles changes the character of the filter of course, which is why I decided to stick to 4 pole.

  • @kobajob2715
    @kobajob2715 Před 4 lety

    srsly i love u so much

  • @amazeus1980
    @amazeus1980 Před 7 lety

    Would like to hear Monark vs Model D.
    Jean Michelle Jarre said somewhere that it sounds closer to model D then Voyager does...

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety +1

      Take a look at my Minimoog soft synth shootout. It compares 6 plugins including the Monark against a hardware Model D: czcams.com/video/S1h07ws--CM/video.html

  • @Gibson1976uk
    @Gibson1976uk Před 6 lety

    They should make a MiniMoog plus!!! which will include patch save, arp programme, just create the ultimate Moog!!!! get the best of old and new, put it together! well, the Sub 37 does pretty good :)

  • @theotavernier9484
    @theotavernier9484 Před 4 lety

    the darker tone thing, isn't it something you can sort out with an EQ or a saturator like a Decapitator?

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 4 lety

      not easily. ... and not really. Adding harmonics via distortion colours the oscillator, smoothing the edges. And you can't add eq to the tops that don't exist. You just can't get it to sound the same.

  • @Sonikbytes
    @Sonikbytes Před 4 lety +1

    It is called SUB for a reason and not just another Model D reissue. In my opinion, they envisioned it to be used mainly for complex bass tones and not top end leads, etc A nice marketing trick name calling scheme such as 'SUB' makes people think in their head that they are getting that 'ultimate SUB BASS' machine (especially for noob buyers)

  • @bruhology6437
    @bruhology6437 Před 3 lety +7

    Can't afford a synth but they're still sick

    • @mackmccord3743
      @mackmccord3743 Před 3 lety +4

      Get yourself a beringer model d. You'll be happy and that'll be the beginning of the rest of you life

    • @thescrewarchive5283
      @thescrewarchive5283 Před 3 lety

      @@mackmccord3743 :DDD

    • @riverkelly7747
      @riverkelly7747 Před 3 lety

      @@mackmccord3743 got one a couple weeks ago as my first analog, and now im already looking at a werkstatt

  • @noiselabproject9659
    @noiselabproject9659 Před 5 lety +1

    These videos are handy ..... by the Guy named after a Red Ford Torino with a big white stripe on the side ( yes I`m old I know heh)

  • @beatles7798
    @beatles7798 Před 6 lety

    very hard to compare when you've got a 2 and 3 osc synth comparison, not to mention filter construction etc

  • @BeansMaskSheen
    @BeansMaskSheen Před 7 lety +10

    the model D is the obvious winner. the tonal quality is much warmer and more musical sounding to me. also the Model D has an extra octave of keys.

    • @GuitarsAndSynths
      @GuitarsAndSynths Před 7 lety +1

      agree but it is also twice as expensive as the Sub 37!

    • @synthartist69
      @synthartist69 Před 5 lety

      Yes, that extra octave means the world to me... waiting for Moog to produce a SUB44.. :)

  • @Gibson1976uk
    @Gibson1976uk Před 7 lety

    I notice the scoff on the sub37 is not being used to brighten the sound? its on the darkest setting

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety

      What's the scoff? The filter is fully open so not sure how I can make it any brighter without resorting to reducing from 24dB to 6dB filter - which is then of course not comparable to the Model D - happy to be enlightened though as it'd be great to be able to open the top end ;)

    • @Gibson1976uk
      @Gibson1976uk Před 7 lety

      sorry! its suppose to say Slope. I guess its unfair to use something on the sub37 that the D doesn't have. I personally like to keep it on 24db most of the time

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety

      Gibson Weasel haha and I was really intrigued about the scoff!! Even looked through the manual duh :)

    • @Gibson1976uk
      @Gibson1976uk Před 7 lety

      sorry for the text error! maybe someone can design a synth with the scoff switch :) it gives a bass and treble boost :) scoffing up the eq :)

  • @michaelbauers8800
    @michaelbauers8800 Před 7 lety +6

    I was reading the comments thinking, well maybe I have the poor man's Moog and my sub 37 just can't hang, and I am too proud to admit it. And I hear him playing this sound and I am thinking, crap, that is so amazing sounding, bet it's the model D. Nope, was the sub 37! (this is at 5:06) So this was a blind experience - I did not know which was playing, and underrated the sub 37 by presuming that amazing bass sound was not the sub 37 :)

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety

      I noticed a few sounds like that when I was editing which is why I put the 'close your eyes' bit in there. I know it's not scientific, but there is a lot of crossover and it all really depends on what sounds you need in different tracks.

    • @ronnieaux5290
      @ronnieaux5290 Před 6 lety +1

      There's also these great sweet spots with the Sub-37. I have moments with mine where I get a sound that is so deep and dark, and I just know a model D would never really nail that in the same way.
      But yeah, the Model D has an amazing bite to it. Classic for a reason!

  • @distilt1238
    @distilt1238 Před 11 měsíci

    8:07 This would be a great theme for a gangster frog character, wearing 90's shades and walking down the street. Of all things..

  • @swiftmello123
    @swiftmello123 Před 5 lety +1

    Actually for the price the 37 is amazing!😎

  • @andresgualtero9132
    @andresgualtero9132 Před 7 lety +10

    is the mini moog volume Louder?

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety +6

      Good question.... Not according to the meters. It's really difficult to get everything equal, and impossible for it to be perceived equally throughout numerous listening environments.
      The meters show parity, but our ears are more sensitive to different frequencies. Different monitoring systems increase or decrease various frequencies so its all dependent on your ears and what's playing the sound.
      From the metering, physically the sound pressure level should be equal for all, however because of the variations in tone they will never be perceived equally.
      Your question highlights the fact that every listener has an individual listening experiencing which very much depends on the environment (every room sounds different) and the source (every headphone and speaker has unique characteristics). This in turn demonstrates that there will be multiple views on each demonstration, and I do this myself as I move from one set of headphone and monitors to the next..

    • @andresgualtero9132
      @andresgualtero9132 Před 7 lety +1

      ok i was just wondering. but nevertheless you do an amazing job on your tutorials and i thank you for that!

    • @BarnabyFWNightingale
      @BarnabyFWNightingale Před 7 lety +1

      I was feeling the same way. I also perceived the minimoog louder and I felt like that made my like its sound more. Both dream synths, though!!

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety +6

      It could be that the Model D generates frequencies that our ears are more sensitive to - making it sound louder at similar SPLs - hence perceiving it as better. This could also be why people say it cuts through a mix. This could all of course be nonsense!! :)

    • @jaeryan1337
      @jaeryan1337 Před 7 lety +2

      Starsky Carr I think your right man. Whenever I play a mix I've done for my girlfriend, (who has no music knowledge or skill) she always points out how awesome a certain part sounds. That certain part is almost ALWAYS the Model D! Luckily that helps me justify what I spent on it haha

  • @Dmaccabees
    @Dmaccabees Před 2 lety +1

    💯

  • @theboofin
    @theboofin Před 6 lety

    Would have liked to hear some higher lead sounds. For me that's where the Mini shines.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 6 lety +1

      The Sub can’t compete with the mini on bright lead sounds which is why I concentrated on bass sounds here

  • @franknobel4715
    @franknobel4715 Před 2 lety

    Never thought I’d be able to hear the different between a wave like “/|” on the sub 37 and a wave like “|\” on the Model d .. It’s really a massive difference on how the model d grabs you .. The sub 37 sounds a bit smudged ..

  • @oscarrivas7240
    @oscarrivas7240 Před 8 dny

    The Sub 37 sounds like a plug-in next to the Model D. Ughhhh....why are you doing this to meee!!! Ok so, I've got an OB-6 and an OB-X8...which one would you sell to finance the Model D? Someone please help. 😅

  • @MadelnMachines
    @MadelnMachines Před 7 lety

    Thanks for the video! Nice work. I'm wondering if the Matrixbrute or Prophet 6 gives you the full frequency range and can do better minimoog sounds as these are the other synth i've been considering? When you played the first notes I was pretty disappointed just like i was with the voyager. I'm pretty annoyed that Moog seems to steal the high end of all of it's modern synths making them sound more dull and muddy. I'm sure they could have easily made them sound much more like a mini but instead it sounds like everything is filtered. I can just seen the mini cutting through the mix so much better and feeling more defined. Instead, if you want the real moog sound you're going to have to pay 2.5x the price and accept limited features. I really hope Behringer nails their minimoog clone if that ever happens.

  • @Venti242
    @Venti242 Před rokem

    Proud Sub37 Owner!

  • @station2station544
    @station2station544 Před 7 lety

    4 oscillators on the Model D reissue if you include the dedicated LFO in the left hand controller area.

  • @rt-uh6mt
    @rt-uh6mt Před 6 lety +1

    If you need an analog synth to hold down just the bass you should really look at more affordable Minitaur. Bass is what it's designed to do.

  • @couchcamperTM
    @couchcamperTM Před 3 lety

    since moog does not want to sell the minimoog I got a boog. same sound. I repeat: they don't want to. I would have saved up for one, it is something special with that name on it. soundwise? china delivers... thx Uli.

  • @amazeus1980
    @amazeus1980 Před 7 lety +20

    Model D ''cuts through'' unlike any other synth...omg what a difference!

  • @VladTheSour
    @VladTheSour Před 7 lety

    can you do one with little/slim phatty

  • @NicolasMelis
    @NicolasMelis Před 3 lety +1

    mmmm for moog :) ❤️

  • @JakeAlstad
    @JakeAlstad Před 7 lety +5

    Deep & Moody - 2:20
    Phat & Funky - 7:00
    Sub Bass - 10:30
    Dance Bass - 11:30
    Getting Dirty - 14:00

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety

      Fantastic - I've added that to the description. No idea how it's done but its a great idea :)

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 lety +1

      Just figured it out - it automatically adds the link to the position in the description. A much needed addition to CZcams functionality. Thanks for putting me onto it.

    • @JakeAlstad
      @JakeAlstad Před 7 lety

      haha right on dude, cheers

  • @qix6424
    @qix6424 Před 4 lety +4

    Might be sacrilegious but I like the Sub series way better then the mini series.

  • @spakkajack
    @spakkajack Před 6 lety

    the moog destroys walls the rest puts small divets in them
    god bless you mr moog