Moog Subsequent 37 vs Moog Grandmother - Battle of the Moogs!
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2018
- Jack and Ben compare the Moog Grandmother: goo.gl/NPon1Z against the Subsequent 37: goo.gl/atyTcV to find out which one stands on top!
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All this did was convince me I need both
Same
this is my favorite comment
Pretty much. Yeah.
Agreed! I've been pondering getting into modular, but eurorack and stuff is crazy expensive. This is a fantastic intro to physical hardware.
Want both of those. damn.
all of them. The answer is always all of them.
i somehow ended up here after an edible kicked in and im thankful for that. also i think i might have just purchased a synth
Dooooope X
You have my support
The way those synths are both hanging over the end of the table is anxiety inducing.
There is no table, the synths are resting on their massive BALLS.
They have a big, huge solid, sturdy table now that can hold & fit multiple large synths & keyboards etc.
When you call up an initial patch on the Sub37, the filter keyboard tracking is set to 1:1. If you set it to O, it dramatically opens it up, and you will get the high end sizzle that is missing in this video.
Good call Sir, thanks for that Xx
So I just bought a Grandmother on Thursday. On Tuesday I walk into my Guitar Center just to buy a midi cable to run from my Grandmother to my MS-20 Mini and I see a Moog Sub37 right on the floor. Some guy brought it back because his road gig got cancelled. Now I have to explain to the bank why I'm not paying my mortgage this month lol
Whoop whoop!! X
Tu Maldita Madre Classic, I love it 🤣
Seems like some solid decision-making there :D
Bro you only live once haha
HOMES WITH MORTGAGES ARE OVER RATED...
Always such a pleasure to the ol' eardrums, those bare saw waves emitting from the headphones, piercing through my skull like a pneumatic drill.
Love these comparisons! Please do more of these :) keep it up!
perfect battle! thanks guys!
Ben's face when Jack hit that low C @1:50 is priceless lol.
That is Grade A Stank Face
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this is by far the best side by side comparison of synths I have ever had the pleasure of watching. tyvm
Nice job! Love to hear more of the Moog Subsequent 37! Thanks!
Thanks to you for sitting through this nonsene, well - from me anyways! Appreciate it x
14:00 They make a great duo. Listen to this loud. It is a monster yet beautiful sound. No small contribution from the players. Powerful.
That bit right there at 10 mins 38 seconds is why I've just given in and bought one. Cheers chaps.
The spring reverb on the grandmother is amazing.
I have the sub37 , best synth i ever purchased, a beast
I like how you can modulate everything with the LFOs, even the speed of the Arpeggiator/Sequencer, I haven´t seen this anywhere else..
Gosh, I freaking love both. But I want the Subsequent 37 for that paraphonic mode, and the expanded modulation busses.
Ooh, you read my mind with this one, I am to decide on which of these two I should be getting, let's watch that vid and find out!
Both sounds are perfect, the sub 37 has nice darker tone but both are amazing!
That might be the best video I saw in the last 10 years. Keep it going, guys!!
The granny is sublime.
So badass!! Thanks for the info and sweet sick basslines braddah
Maaaaaan, thanks goes to you mate for all your videos and for being so kind to me when I was quite clearly fangirling you at Namm!! Hope you're well Sir and have a great Summer my G X
You can’t go wrong with either one! I’ve got both and they are a fun pair.
Now that’s how you start a comparison video!🔥💪🏾
I love the concept of the Grandmother, and want to love it. Price is good. Keys feel great. Its patchable with eurorack gear that I already have..... but that Sub 37 is so refined and moody, it's just what I need. I like that the Sub is smoother and darker. At least they have come down in price.
I would love to see you guys do a follow up episode of matriarch vs subsequent 37. Amazing video guys. Really put the details in. Best informative video ive seen.
LOVE the more raw, vintage sound of the Grandmother / Matriarch !! 😍
I want both! Damn GAS!!!
Have a Moog Sub 37 on the way, and couldn't be any more excited than I am now!
wait... I lied... I just got even more excited!!!!!!!
Really useful video, thanks gents.
Love this! I have a Little Phatty II and a Grandmother
Hiw would you describe/compare their sounds?
Sub37 is more fluid leady thing the grandmother has a more aggressive thing thanks to that mixer section and the filter distorting both moogy but I like the phatness of the gm, the Moog modular sound is my preferred Moog sound ever.
That outro jam was banging.
You are freaking hilarious, ‘dB is cool´ just got me appreciate the good vibes keep it up lads 🤙🏼
I gig with the Grandmother and love it. It certainly demands that you know your way around patches. People love watching me plugging in things here and there. It makes for a more entertaining show.
that is very cool 👍 and cooler even because that is "more Analog". The sound on the Subsequent 37 seems more harsh to the ears and agressive.... do you think you can emulate with it the grandMother's sound? (the -I dislike using this word...but it might be the correct- "butter or satin" soo analog and warmness..... of the Osc and Filter....)
I ordered the GM, but I am still in time to exchange it for a Subsequent37.. (I am not a performer, I make music in my studio, and I like to create soundscapes and textures for the backround, and intrincated arppeggios and sequences to work over....)
@@MarcoPolux you probably already got your synth. The sub37 has a greater range. It also has presets which cant be underestimated. GM though can be infinitely expanded via eurorack. Pricey though. But for what you are doing, these are 2 different roads that will both get you where you want to go.
@@MrStupidHead Got the GrandMother for months now and I love it... the best Moog sound there is..... I might aim to the sub37 next BlackFriday. . . . for the Presets and ability to save my own presets... The GrandMother is great, I am happy I bought it.
I do recomend it and I´ve learned a lot with it, because precisely: you can´t save or recall presets.... so you have to create your sounds each time.
@@MarcoPolux I like your self-discipline! Learning how to patch up a subtractive synth may not get you girls, but it makes you a better man. :)
btw, I went from a sub37 to the matriarch and now i love them both. but! if i started with the M and had really learned to patch the matriarch - i don't know if I wouldn't feel like something was missing in the sound of the sub37.
@@MrStupidHead ordering a dfam! couldn´t hold the G.A.S. until next BlackFriday.... 👍
It feels like having a couple friends over. Love the informal, fun aspects to your presentations.
I finally got to playing a Grandmother, in the worst of conditions (a grimy synth corner in Guitar Center), and I have to say I was expecting to not be impressed, but I was VERY pleased by the Grandmother. I've had substantial time with a Moog Mother-32, SUB-37, and Minimoog, I've been wanting to play the GM. I was sort of hoping to dislike the Grandmother, but wow, the keybed is phenomenal, the pitchbend and modwheel had just the right tension to them, I actually preferred it over the feel of the SUB-37 ones. In fact, there was extra tension to the Grandmother keys, making you have to press just a little harder, and they spring back perfectly - I think it's the best keybed I've ever played. The tone was just buttery smooth - growling in just the right way. Lovely keyboard, I'd recommend to anyone. I am at a loss now as to whether it's better than my SUB-37. I'm even considering replacing the SUB for this... but the SUB has more control over tone. I think you can mimic the Grandmother tone if you set your settings just right (a little overdrive and such)
Honestly for a newbie that doesn't understand the patch holes in the granny the sub 37 would be easier to understand since being more 'self -contained' ?? Would this be correct???
@@excitationofstereocilia2103Yes, the Grandmother has wayyyyy more control once you incorporate your modular setup. That's the advantage. The sub37 has more control if you're only using the devices themselves as they are in this video. But even then, they didn't incorporate internal patches on the Grandmother in this video really at all.
If you are into modular (all roads lead to modular) the Grandmother is most everyone's favorite controler.
If you just like to play around with the synth itself, go for the sub37
@@corbinslaymaker3346 I literally just wanna play noises easiest way possible
@@excitationofstereocilia2103 sub37 is for you than, if these are your only options. I, myself, would go Grandmother because I want to expand on it infinitely with dozens of other modules. Something you can't reeeaally do with the Sub37.
They sound just as dark, but the GrandMother sounds a bit better overall. Very nice video, was expecting for it!
Yeah, the GM is cleaner, clearer; more definition.
The Sub 37 sounds more messy by comparison.
The Grandmother sounds great!
They are both Moog worthy!
Got the Subsequent but would not mind owning a granny as well.
enjoying this - I have the SS37 - the Grandmother may have more sizzle in the top end, but if you change the filter slope to 6dB on the SS37 you do get a bit more sizzle out of it...
Yeah, the different filter slopes on the 37 open up a lot of sonic possibilities left unexplored in this video. I honestly think this vid is a paid marketing ploy to promote the GM, and convince older Subsequent37 owners to shell out another $800 bucks. Definitely biased to make the GM sound better with that high end sizzle, which the 37 is quite capable of but which is never shown in the video. As far as I can tell, they never took the keytracking off the Sub37 filter and never changed the poles.
good times with these two
You guys are the best
What are the acoustic bass traps panels you use in the room’s corners? They look insane!
I like the low and smooth, Sub 37
This was fantastic jam in the beginning
Good stuff
I have both and I have way more fun with the Grandmother. A lot of times I prefer the sound of the subsequent but its so hard to learn. The grandmother is a pleasure to explore and play around with.
For me it's the GM. The unit is based on the Voyager OSC's - whereas the S37 is based around the 'newer' voiced OSC's that I can never quite get into. Plus the modules on the GM are pretty much the Sys 15 modules with a keyboard. THAT'S the Moog sound I am after. The mixer alone is bonkers. Surprised they really didn't talk that much about these differences in the video.
The GM just sounds richer. I wish I didn't think this because of presets. Sigh.
Happy patch diagram drawing in 2022
Smashing!! 👍
Lol! I enjoyed this. I want them both 😜
Both sound great... GM has the old 70s sound, and Sub37 is more "refined"
GM + Erebus for me... about the same cost as Sub 37.
The way I see it, the GM is more for people who want to fiddle around, turn knobs and jam rather than play. The built in spring reverb is also a selling point for me, as I would want some reverb effects at least. And the arpeggiator is helpful for riffage and jamming. It's also a way to ease into modular, which is something I'm really keen to get into.
For me, as a non player, the grandmother is a perfect first Moog/intro to modular. I would probably get a mother 32 to add on next.
@@cho03 Seeing many folks pair the GM with a Neutron, which adds some modulation and utilities at an astoundingly low price point.
Imagine you found your once-in-a-lifetime patch on the GM and need to buy another one ‘cause you can’t save it.
I decided to get the Subseq 37.
Photos
Churro Lightyear :D
Or paper and pencil?
you got a phone? take a pic
Even if you could 100% reproduce the original patch by photos, it‘s at least time-consuming.
That's kinda exactly why I want it though. I find that with VSTs I'm too reliant on presets, and I don't always understand exactly what's going on at a synthesis level. With the Grandmother you don't have a choice. There's a lot of power in a "What You See Is What You Get" synth.
You guys seem like you'd be fun to hang out with.
After a year of owning a grandmother, the $625 used price was still a steal. 😀
I like the phasing on the GM
The variable waveform oscillators are pretty cool, but I think I like the raw sound of the GM overall better.
I think that at 10:00 you got the patching wrong: in MODULATION , you patched Wave OUT with Noise IN. In your talking you meant Wave OUT patched to OSC1 IN (or OSC2 IN). Great video by the way, guys.
love that outro jam!
Took you a few moments to find it on that outro lol but it did settle into a nice groove
Buy.
Them.
All.
I like this. Jams are good. Moog Pajamas?
I always liked my Sub37, but I never fell for it like I did for the Grandmother. That thing just drips character. Love love love it.
Nice harmonium vibe at the beginning there
Thanks mate, I love me some Harmonium so appreciate the comment bud X
Are you guys referencing the french band?
14:06 T H E L I C C
Oh man, that's classic.
Absolutely sub my sub37 and the reason why you want the sub is for how warm the filter sounds.
I know I'm about two years late, but did anyone notice the sub 37 is in the right channel, and the grandmother is in the left channel. Not fully, but slightly more gain on each side?
To play the sequencer on the grandmother, you press a note on the keyboard
IMO the Subsequent behaves like a self-contained modular synth and the Grandmother is more keen to be part of a larger eurorack-based family. Both offer something great and charming, just for two different players/setups/approaches. That being said, Subsequent 37 is my personal desert island synth.
The all in one contained sub sounds less confusing for someone who has never used one of those patch ports those are confusing
@@excitationofstereocilia2103 modular patching can be intimidating at first, but it's actually a great way to learn synthesis. i've used the Grandmother on sessions and owned a Mother 32 for a bit and it was actually really fun to patch both, but i discovered that they're more compelling instruments when paired with other modular gear. not that they aren't great by themselves, but they're begging to be patched into a larger system. my Subsequent 37 continues to be my desert island synth, and a much better choice for my band's live shows
Hmmm you get what you pay for... I have a sub37 and like its flexibility... I like the way the grandmother bridges to modular...
sub37 has 3 programmable cv ins and a programmable gate w an added step advance feature. you could midi sync but why not use all those cv outs on the gm? these things play excellent together.
Holy Shite! It's the Nick'n'Gaz synthgasm tribute band....keep it up Chaps!
Nick and Gaz are our Hero's!!! Thanks so muc for the words of encouragment, appreciate it bud. All the bestest X
love you
Love you more ;) Thanks for the love mate and stopping by xx
Do you have a video of the Moog Matriarch and Sub 37?
I have! Very different
Dude... it really sounds like you are playing a sitar, or anyways playing on the indian scale, but on a synth. Quite the jam. I like your musicality :)
That is one fine Grandmother.
Subsequent 37 >> GM, any day of the week. The extra oscillator and paraphonic capabilities alone put it in another tier. But thats just the beginning. It has two envelopes with ADSR + optional Delay & Hold, plus multitrigger and sync options, vs the single basic ADSR on GM. And the difference in the LFO situation is even more drastic. The modulation capabilities on the Sub37 are staggering, and you CAN input CV from modular systems to modulate it (with a specific caveat that the CV must be kept within 0-5 volts). And in terms of modular connectivity, of course don't forget about (a) Subsequent 37 CV which has 6 CV/gate outputs as well as the 4 inputs also found on the standard seen here; and (B) even for the standard model, MIDI and the existence of Eurorack MIDI>CV converters mean that even a standard Subsequent 37 can still integrate well as a Eurorack "brain". Beyond that: more keys, storable patches, and full DAW integration over USB that lets you fully control, play, and record every single parameter on the synth without even touching it physically, via a brilliant VST plugin. Meaning that you can record every knob wiggle & key press and hence replay your performance back identically later. Or better yet, improve it by editing those accidental sour notes you hit in the 3rd measure and dial back the resonance & boost the envelope decay during that filter sweep you played during the bridge - all from the convenience of your DAW's piano roll. But hey, the Grandmother *does* have a spring reverb.
That’s your opinion! Never wanted the 37 personally. I ended up with the sub phatty and a grandmother, for nearly the same price as a 37 alone. I really like the tone of the Grandmother more than the 37, and for me, tone is everything. Modulation capabilities don’t matter a whole lot to me when it comes to my moogs. For mods, I’m into the hybrid synths. I have a dreadbox Medusa, and that thing has 5 LFOs and 5 envelopes and 6 oscillators, and it’s the same price as the grandmother. don’t get me wrong, I love every single synth Moog puts out! I would love to have a 37 as well!
Ok so I didn’t realize how many functions have a knob or button on the 37. That is pretty sweet! I really like that. The sub phatty does get annoying because of all the hidden parameters.
Yes sir
Matriarch FTW! 👑 ❤️
Cinema Show!
- on a Moog!
Great comparison. Personally I'd take the 37 in a heartbeat over the GM but that's just me, they're both great.
Btw, you guys do know that it's a SubSEQUENT 37, and not a Sub37, right? Think you're just saying sub for short hand? The 'quent replaced the sub but it's not the same sound and has different features.
I bought my Subsequent 37 before the GM was announced. If I could do it over again, I’d still get the Subsequent 37.
Me too, save-able patches is a big thing if you ever want to take the thing on stage. No one likes waiting for someone to find the right sound
I have the Sub 37 and I want the GM bad... but I'm going to keep the Sub 37 for the patches.
Have them both. The Gramma ooozes inspiration. Theyre both rad synths for sure. But I can say with confidence that I can't live without the GM now that I have one. It's a super beast in a small package. Worth every penny.
@@joshtaymcleod You have made me so unbelievably excited to get mine tomorrow!!!
20:35 "just plug it in and 'Euro-way'!"
Whoow!
the delivery on this was flawless
Jack , is a formiddable keyboardplayer, id have him in my band anytime, nice feel, technique, lyrical, and spacey progrocker extraordinaire ,-
Oh maaaan, thanks so much for the kind Comment Mikkel - really appreciate it - all the very best to ya Xxx
Thanx a bunch, all my best regards to you too. I love the energy you always send out , and the “intro Indian morning Raga” vibe with that dash of the mighty Genesis and some Ozric breakfast, just had me picking up my Chapman Stick, and tweeting a little Levin’esque bird lingo, with some Deep staccato basslines,, - now too the realtalk ... I just had a tired mailman, dropping of a “Packet” for me, here in Copenhagen, all the way from youre beautiful England !
A Boxfull of “Granny on Roids”,- and i gotta say... That machine packs a set of utubular balls of FIRE, and make having sex while skydiving, seem mundane ! ;-)
20:15 Alas yes, Subsequent 37 CV.
One out of fourteen - woohooo! Mom do you love me now!!
Sub37 is noticeably bassier and meaner. Gm is like an oberheimy sound, a little brighter but more old school sounding too. Pretty sure Trent Reznor used the sub37 or minimoog, and previously a voyager. If I ever got one I’d get the sub37. Would be nicely paired with a take5.
Shits so fkin real raw..
4:09
the licc
24:25 that’s where I am with the record mode 😂
cool review guys, thank you for this.
i actually learned a thing or two, and yes!..yes.. a musical instrument video review featuring actual music performance !
cheers from Portugal
PS: currently divided between the sub 37, and the sub-phatty.
anyone got any input on that?
( for a musician getting into synthesis, from a more jazzy/organic multi-instrumentalist background.
I’m looking for a synth that will give me this same great timbre, in a very similar lead approach as featured in the little jams on this video.)
It was ‘Yes’ not ‘Genesis’ -Owner Of A Drony Heart. Thanks-this is the video I needed. First of all, do I need one? 2nd-Which one would I get?
Oooohhhh!! Edit out getting the sequencer wrong lol!!!
I'll answer that one. The sequencer on the Sub37 and the Grandmother are very similar. They're both 64 steps. If you can use the Sub37 one you will quickly pick up how to use the Grandmother one without having to use a manual or watch a tutorial. They work the same way. I've only demo'd a Moog Grandmother once at the store and once I got to the arpeggiator and the sequencer it was practically the same as using the Sub37. I was kind of chuffed about that.
Great video as usual guys. I'm not so up on the modular side of things so this was very educational for me with the comparisons. Thanks
Luke Kage sequencer on the grandmother is actually 256 steps!
Caramello Koala it beats the Sub37 then. I only tried it once at the store and I only took it to 64 as I didn't realize it could go further. Thanks for letting me know. I'll try that out next time I go to the store
grandmother all the way!
Both great machines but I think the GM had a 5th in there. Sub / Subsequent is WAY better sounding that it sounded in the first half
There's something on Jack's face?
Oh, what a difference if one can play.
Otherwise, if patching doesn't matter, take the Sub37.
For spring reverb take a pedal.
The Grandmother LOOKS like a classic, but the Sub 37 IS the classic here.
The price it makes the difference
Ok, although I know the fun here is in comparing 2 moogs with similar things, without a doubt my peacock synth can be played with a guitar and things that can be jammed for a live drone sound, can be played improvising things while another sound comes in from another synth in the filter...
Yes, I am referring to My dear Korg MS-20 my king to do great things in a compact or minimalist equipment like an MS-20 and some guitar with some microkorg.
None more than I play so much and the MS20 is also an ideal equipment to enter the eurorack world although its filter is a sinusoidal that can be played chromatically for sub-bass or moog bass, these things are also in others, but the MS20 does it It does so much good, it's hard not to be without that thick bass thing using 2 resonant filters.
BONITO ARPEGIO MIENTRAS SONABA UN MOSCARDON Y TOTALMENTE DESENTONADO A LA VEZ QUE PONIA CARAS DE EMOCION ,HORRIBLE QUE VERGUENZA AJENA ME HA ENTRADO,SALUDOS Y QUE MEJORES DE LO TUYO,BUENOS SINTES
GM is way more vintage birght sounding. Sub 37 is lil modern and darker.