SILENCE OF THE LAMBS 4K UHD BLU-RAY REVIEW | KINO VS CRITERION!!
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2021
- We have another 4K vs Criterion showdown on our hands! This time we dive into Kino Lorber’s
new 4K UHD release of Silence of the Lambs and compare it to the Criterion Collection Blu-ray release.
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To be clear - I’m not saying this isn’t worth upgrading. I’m just being fair to the great Criterion disc while also mentioning how good a job Kino did with their disc. Kino is the winner - but for budget’s sake, maybe not everyone needs to run out and buy the 4K.
Good response 👍
Do you think Dolby Vision was necessary for the 4K disc?
FYI you also did the criterion 4K comparison with do the right thing
Criterion for me. The booklet and extras are always a cut above along with a great restoration.
The Blu-ray is the clear winner for me comparing the photos you show us.
Kinda bummed out that they look so similar to each other. But this just means that the Criterion release is just that damn good. My 4k player does upscaling so I’ll just hang onto my bluray. Thanks Jeff 🙏🏼
Same with me. I imported the Criterion so I never really had any direct plans to upgrade… glad I don’t have to.
The biggest problems with this release are that the first 20 minutes are in the incorrect color space, making the image green and undersaturated. The 2.0 track is also just a 5.1 downmix. It's not a true stereo mix like is on the Criterion.
I mentioned the same thing in an earlier comment, but it may have been deleted because it mentioned a forum that often criticizes Jeff's reviews (though I'm not as critical myself). Jeff, can you take another look at the first 20 minutes or so?
The Criterion release is beautiful!!
I knew there'd be little to no difference on this one, the Criterion one looked beautiful as it was. More than happy with my Criterion edition & won't be upgrading. The packaging is much nicer on the Criterion edition too.
Great review. I’m a Criterion fan and planed on buying this from Criterion. Waited for you review before I made up my mind. Looks like I’ll stay with Criterion. Thanks.
As I live in Australia, I’ve been waiting for a 4k release of ‘Silence of the Lambs’ as the Criterion release is region locked. Will definitely be picking up the Kino Lorber release. Great review Jeff!
I've purchased The Silence of the Lambs several times on many formats, just purchased the 4K release from Kino Lorber and this will be the very last time I purchase it, being that it's 4K.
Another great vid i didn’t even realize i needed LOL!!
Thanks for this. I was thinking about the double dip. But with the Criterion massive special features and picture quality about the same I’ll stay put
Really enjoying these comparison videos, Jeff! They’re super helpful when deciding to upgrade or not. Keep up the good work!
I'm looking forward to Invasion of the Body Snatchers 4k!!
Me too.
Criterion for me no need to “upgrade” to 4k but still cool kino is doing 4k releases
I can't really think of any movies where I would choose things like commentaries and packaging over the picture quality. Ideally I'd like to have both, but, if it's one or the other, I'm choosing the best viewing experience every time. Great review as usual man.
Both.
See, I’m the opposite. I can’t imagine choosing a 5% visual upgrade over the invaluable insights things like great special features and director’s commentaries can give
@@xxxWolFangxxx Yes definitely, it's why I still buy physical media on top that my friend watched the CZcams version on stream and he said they literally edited out most the swear words! Next they'll completely remove the Buffalo Bill scenes cause it may offend certain type of group outta the LGBTQ community.
Thanks for this video, keep the comparison videos coming! BTW, I just got the Kino Lorber 4k...
Thanks for the review on this. Criterion’s packaging and artwork blow the other cover out of the water. Also the menu screen on Criterion’s disc also is incredible. Enjoying these comparisons! Looking forward to Mulholland Drive 4K vs Blu-Ray 4K transfer.
Nah I’ll go with the original movie poster
Thank you for your Excellent review Jeff. Stay well.🙂👍
Appreciate that you're doing these. I have the Criterion, and was wondering if I should get the Kino, but I think I'll be fine keeping the Criterion for now.
Very informative, thanks Jeff. I want the extras on the Criterion but the original artwork on the LK is 👌 😍
Kino's 4K disc has incorrect color space for the first 20 minutes. The included Blu-ray from Kino does not have this issue. The audio mixes are not identical between the two releases. Criterion has the correct original 2.0 mix. Kino's is a fold down of the 5.1 mix to 2.0, which is inferior to the 2.0 mix that Criterion offers. Because Kino's 4K disc has color issues for the first 20 minutes, one must compare Kino's Blu-ray with Criterion's Blu-ray. Criterion's Blu-ray has slightly more detail and the correct 2.0 mix. The clear winner, in regards to picture and audio, is the Criterion Collection Blu-ray of Silence of The Lambs.
Also, Kino is stubbornly not acknowledging the problems with this release and is highly unlikely to correct the transfer and audio and issue a replacement program.
@@robertpreskar8233 Thank you. I was utterly perplexed by this guy saying the Kino was the better release, when clearly, just through my own research, the Criterion is the better release.
@@robertpreskar8233Bit late, but the incorrect color timing actually was the fault of MGM’s HDR grade. Kino could not “fix” the issue, as all they were able to do was use what MGM supplied them with. Now if MGM could fix that and a range of other issues in 4K releases in their library, that would be great.
anyone know if the color been has fixed?
@@Eidechsenhund22I’ve done my own research. It seems that this is more like a rumor and I don’t think there is a problem with color at all. I also heard that the new 4k scan is closer to the original film. Just my two cents. People can have their own opinions.
Watched the 4K disc last night beautiful transfer
I literally bought the criterion a few months ago so I’ll be keeping that one. Also what are some examples of criterion being hit or miss lately
Children of Paradise is one people say was a bad transfer by criterion
@@mclovin7326 That’s an old release. I keep hearing people say they haven’t been as good over the last year or two but I haven’t heard specific examples
@@nationalcoasternews5798 Sound of Metal, none of the ASL scenes are translated via hardcoded subs (like the Amazon stream) or with the included/optional SDH track
I just finished watching the criterion blu ray on a 4K player that upscales, I can't imagine it looking any better.
Jeff bringing out the goods! Taxi Driver, Misery and now Silence of the Lambs. Thanks for the review. Don't have this in my collection yet. Pretty tough decision to make between the two, I'll decide on Black Friday haha.
The commentary on the Criterion Blu is from 1994, originally produced for their laserdisc release of the film. That commentary is outstanding, one of the best I've heard. For those who haven't heard it, I strongly encourage you to buy a copy of the Criterion Blu. It's also available on their 1998 DVD release, but the picture quality won't be nearly as good.
these showdown videos are awesometacular
Thank you, I’ve been waiting for this one. My wife hasn’t seen this yet somehow haha. I’m going for criterion for the commentary, and I figure the 4K will drop in price while the criterion is 20 on Amazon.
Appreciate the honest, careful take- sometimes 4k is a significant upgrade, sometimes it isn't, and it's good to know when to spend and when to save the twenty bucks.
I think you did the 4k vs criterion comparison of 'Do the right thing' as well
Thanks Jeff for the comparison of the classic Silence Of The Lambs! I already own the Criterion edition so I won't be picking up the Kino Lorber edition. There is not enough to justify the double dip, keep up the great work!
Thanks for the video
Happy for the Criterion's Collectors. I'll seek the Kino to upgrade my old bluray.
Someone told me I was crazy for thinking the Criterion release was better.
I didn't think the Kino release was bad but when I'm comparing a 4K to a bluray, the 4K should be better
Thank you for the excellent review Jeff! Just a question, my Samsung Q80T 75in 4K TV per its specifications doesn’t support Dolby Vision but it supports HDR10+. Since most of the 4K HDR Blu Ray release seem to have Dolby Vision, am I missing a lot on the picture quality when I watch discs that have Dolby Vision instead of HDR10+?
Good to know I don't need to retire my Criterion version. I can safely skip the Kino 4k and upgrade my Scream Factor Misery to the Kino 4k which clearly seems to be a much more worthy upgrade given your Mistery comparison vid.
I was lucky to find the Kino 4K at Best Buy for 20 bucks on release day. I also have the criterion, but I love this movie. So I’m happy I got both! Great video, Jeff 👍
Have you read that it has the incorrect color space for the first 20 minutes?
@@LanceLust1980HugeTheWarningFanwhat does that even mean
@@mikeparez That means the first 20 minutes of the UHD is desaturated. The color is drained out a little bit. Most people don't notice, but if you compare the Blu-ray with it you'll see the issue. It might not bother you, it doesn't bother me too much. But I thought I would mention it.
Can’t wait to see your comparison of The Great Escape in January considering the 4K is only SDR
I picked up the Kino Lorber release when I was at Best Buy earlier today. Wasn't looking for this particular movie per say, but it was only $20 so I grabbed it. Hope to get a chance to watch it this week as I haven't seen it since it first came out for rental all those years ago (VHS maybe?).
That's director Jonathan DE-Mee. When it comes to important, classic films, I try to get all available editions. I have both!
I’m curious, how do the blu rays compare to each other?
one of my favourite classic movies hope to get it one day in 4K here in Australia
And here I am in the UK with neither version available for purchase. 😒 Happens quite often with a lot of 4K releases over here (Misery is another example), the only way is to break the bank and order in from the US or Europe. I'll keep my fingers crossed though. Thanks as always for the video!
Yeah. So annoying. Wish I could walk into Hmv and pickup a copy.
I plan on still picking up the 4K release, I grew up watching this movie after HS then I finally made it to the police academy. Do you know any new details on a steelbook? Or any upcoming news on Red Dragon on 4K ? Thank you for the review.
I have the criterion blu ray and ive watched it like 5 or 6 times since its release....but if there was a difference i probably would have ordered the 4k. Thanks for the heads up!
Is the commentary track on the Criterian disc the same one they have on their standard dvd release?
If I didn't already have the Criterion version I would probably have gone ahead and gotten this 4K, but I DO already have the Criterion Blu Ray and it does look like little difference so I'm probably just gonna stick with the one I have.
I'm going to go with the KL mainly because of the Dolby Vision.
Johnathan Demme was involved in the restoration from Criterion long before he died in 2017
I guess I should have waited for your review before ordering the 4K.
We in UK have to always lose out. Does anyone know if there will be a UK release?
Got the criterion copy I'm ok with it great review
Alright Jeff from Films at Home. I think I'll wait for the next Criterion sale.
Hi Jeff, stupid question, is there any form of upscalling that the player or tv is doing when you are showing the side by side comparisons between bluray and 4k?
No - these are screenshots from caps-a-holic.com
You've done this with Do the Right Thing before too.
Thanks for the review. I'll keep my criterion and won't bother with the newer 4k
Dolby Vision is pretty here or there. I often play with the brightness and luma level on my 4k TV to make it look more contrasty and as close to 35mm "film-esque" as possible
You're doing the Lord's work, keep it up!
Thanks Jeff. I just purchased the criterion edition. it will be imported to germany :D
Great video as always! I’ve got the Criterion and am very happy with it. I’m on the fence about whether to get the 4K or the Criterion of Parasite though, think you could compare those?
I think the question should always be "why not the 4K?" if one is available and the price is acceptable. The digital intermediate is in 4K and it looks great.
@@bened22 the packaging, special features, and Bong Joon Ho's supervision make the Criterion version the definitive release.
I couldn't find anything about Bong Joon Ho’s supervision on the criterion release. If packaging and special features are the deciding factor for you then criterion might be your choice always. If picture quality is the deciding factor then the question is: "why not 4K?" (I'm aware that I moved the goalpost here. ;) If there is a digital intermediate in 4K the only thing that could have gone wrong in the 4K release is the HDR or the encoding. I doubt that Bong Joon Ho saw the 4K Blu Ray and thought: "That looks nothing like I imagened it!"
@@bened22 he approved the special features and supervised the 4K transfer. Also the special features on Criterion, including the black and white version arent on the 4K blu ray. Parasite on Criterion is the definitive release
@@bened22 the 4K disc is only slightly better than the blu ray as far as image quality.
I didn't do a side-by-side or anything, but I do own both discs. II thought I noticed a marked difference between them on those extreme close-ups? But perhaps I was imagining it.
The revolution isn't the modest resolution bump. It's the HDR and DOLBY VISION.
Hi Jeff 👋 Hannibal is coming out on 4K here in the UK this October, thought I'd best upgrade Silence to 4K but since you can only get it in the US do you know if the disc will play here in the UK? Don't want to fork out for it then find out it won't play.
Many (most) late 80s through early 2000s movies seemed more interested in being able to film in more natural lighting conditions than in using the slowest, sharpest film stock, giving them a grainy, soft look--so a lot of their negatives are probably closer to 2 1/2k to 3k in resolution anyway.
Both having exclusive content is enough to double dip if you love the film.
I loved the transfer and upgrading from the open matte dvd is cool to see the theatrical matte the director wanted for theaters.
Great release and shame they stuck the sticker in the slipcover. I was able to get mine off without buying the slip but it is noticeable it was there.
Criterion seems to only allow Sony to use their features now that both universal & kino released those films on 4K without them.
It's supposedly got the wrong color space for the first 20 minutes.
Won’t it sound better if your av or sound bar have DTS virtual x?
Thanks for this comparison video. I noticed There’s more depth on the 4K.
I’m happy with the 4K release as it’s my favourite movie of all time and as I’m in the the UK I’d need an region free blu ray player to play the criterion version. The 4K was £26 imported from the states so cheaper then the criterion version and no need to buy a new blu ray player to play it.
For home cinema blu ray on a 4K screen is in my view as good as I need it to be. Sure little more contrast but there is almost an extra filmic quality with blu rays, like the extra noise(vs 4K) acts like film grain. Great vid btw and I should add for SOTL fans go watch Scott Glenn’s interview with GQ on CZcams, this is why I’m here..he gives some insights into Jack Crawford and really why Jonathan Demme(RIP) was a top notch director.
Yea I was a little underwhelmed with this 4k disc.....Ther is reports that the bit rate is averaging 90mps....but I was only getting 40mbs on standard HDR .....my TV don't support Dolby vision.
Criterion looks phenomenal on Sony x90j75 w/ Sony UBP X800M2. Thanks for quelling my curiosity.
Thank u
Awesome movie.
I still have the regular Blu-ray version so I’ll just go ahead and get the 4K disc version
Sweet Sweetback. Criterion vs. Vinegar Syndrome.
Just to make sure,the criterion one is the blue ray? right?
So is the Kino blu-ray the same transfer as the criterion? Are they identical discs with different labels?
Kino’s Blu-ray is their own with their own color adjustments.
Thank you for this was holding off on watching it due to this release, but I’ll stick with my criterion
how did kino release this film so soon after criterion?
With this minimal improvement on the image it will come down to the difference in pricing for me
It was $20 at Best Buy and I had to grab it despite having the Criterion edition.
How does the original 2009 silence of the lambs bluray compare with the criterion?
No, you're wrong! This is why I love having a 75 inch Sony 900f. Based on the images you're showing the 4K is clearly superior. Much love and respect btw.
To be fair, I do sit 7ft from the screen. Just the way my tiny apartment is st up.
The 4K is superior. But it’s not a huge difference like some others
@@JeffRauseo hey thanks for the response. Maybe not huge but based on the images you present on my Sony it's clear. I am seated 7 ft away eye balls to screen. Not all the shots were that definitive. But there's a clear difference. Based on the same type of analysis, 1984 Dune didn't have as big a difference between 4K and Blu ray as Silence of the Lambs. But then the quality of the CZcams download, the size and type of television and even the settings on the set can contribute to any perceived difference or lack there of. Bottom line, from where I'm sitting it's clear. Some one else with a smaller tv seated further away may not notice a bit of difference. Great review by the way. I'm finding myself watching your reviews more and more. I may be watching you more than spare change at this point. You're not as spoilery, lol.
Is the blu ray version region free? Or only region A?
Wow this isn't much different glad I didn't buy the 4k yesterday already have the criterion so I stick with the criterion.Not much different in audio or video so not worth the double dip
I heard mayonnaise gets scratches off of discs, is that true?
Criterion don’t miss 🔥🔥🔥
DVD crew checking in :(
shame the 4k isn't the leap from Blu-Ray, I currently do not own this on Blu-Ray but I will do now as both my TV and Player upscales. Cheers
Does anyone know if 12 Anger Men 4k looks better than the criterion? I've been thinking about upgrading because I love that movie, but I'm not sure.
Can you review Rosemary’s Baby on Criterion?
I heard the first 20 minutes had a colour issue?
My copy is "out for delivery" ah yeah :)
Purchase Pan's labyrinth from criterion instead of the 4k one. I kept it because sound seems better. But image dam seems yellow green compare to a dvd I have of it. Dark image even if my player upgrade image. Almost wanted to return that criterion copy.
Receive Silence of lamb of criterion upon your recommendation .
I saw on the avforums that people were slating you in the Inglorious B*, review discussion. Think you need to get an OLED to silence them 🤣
This is one of those movies where some pristine 4k edition would take away from the nostalgic look of the film in my eyes
Guess I'm going criterion
More effective NR on the 4K
Kino v Criterion: Dawn of 4k