Community is the by product. That’s one thing I’ve always tried to avoid saying when someone asks what sets the box I’m at apart from any other. Easy and go to answer for most is community, but we all have that so what else? You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned your goal is to give them the tools they need. Even prior to CrossFit, my goal as a trainer was to teach and develop someone enough that they don’t need me anymore. Of course I still want to coach and love that some members are with us for years and years. However, community isn’t something that is immediately there, but you know what is? An enthusiastic owner, a coach that wants to continue to get better, a team that does its best to educate and teach proper mechanics and nutrition. Those are the things that build “community” and instead of selling that, maybe a better word or phrase should be “continuing fitness education” or idk something like that. Community is what makes your, sevans, CPW, gwtp, channel strong, but we don’t see yall yelling “watch my videos cause we have a strong community” It’s like stating the obvious. Alright rant over 😅
Community was the selling point for me when I first joined almost 7 years ago. I had no idea about the methodology or the backstory to what set CrossFit a part from all the other fitness programs. I saw on social media a group of people coming together for fitness and doing really cool things outside the box that helped the community. Since joining i've grown so much that I got my L1 this year so I can pass Greg's methodology and what CrossFit has done for me.
I started my adult life in advertising, and then became a pastor in the Lutheran Church. In both instances, one of the biggest faults of advertisers and evangelizers was that they spoke to themselves. They claimed that their target was people outside the company/church but everything they did and said was speaking to existing customers and members. It was like they were so inbred that they could not relate to those outside of their community. Fought many battles in both settings trying to get beyond the incestuous thinking of the company. We are not advertising to existing customers/members but trying to reach people outside of the bubble. CrossFit is about unique path of FITNESS this should be first and foremost. People that I know in CrossFit are their because they are interested in and desiring a fitness lifestyle and improved health. If finding a community was their priority they might join a church or social group. CrossFit community is important to fitness lifestyle but it is a bi-product of the CrossFit lifestyle.
The community is the greatest asset of CrossFit. F45, Orange Theory, and others are right to market community first, but luckily for us, we all know they wish they were CrossFit because it’s ultimately our methodology that sets us apart. CrossFit presents a multifaceted value to people, and I’ve showed that 3:00 video to three people and all three of them have some CrossFit since. That shit is 🔥, it’s what people want to see, and CrossFit knows it because CrossFit knows that everyone knows exercise and nutrition is important. The hook is the community, and then you start sprinkling in how the methodology sets us apart. That’s the recipe for success 💪😎🤙
Mr. Slop I hear you! I think it is safe to say we can agree to disagree here though homie. It's egg before the chicken, or chicken before the egg I believe with us.
As an L3 and Affiliate owner, I could not agree more. I thought that video and the accompanying article was one of the best pieces of media CF has put out this past year. I don’t understand the hate. We can market community AND still be focused on increasing work capacity across broad time and modal domains.
Great video. I like that you go deep on these issues. Community is great. But when Crossfit markets that above all else they are missing the crucial point. Community happens because of the product. The actual product is never mentioned in the ad.
“Ruined Christmas” hahahahaha I love this video, so agree with you, the affiliate has become a place of inclusivity, and not about building work capacity. You’ll get some affiliates here and there that fly the OG flag, but most want to be super inclusive of everybody.
Going to a CrossFit gym was the most socially isolating experience I have dealt with because you expect it not to be - I’m hoping it’s different in the states with a larger population. However, I train CrossFit solo in my garage now and it compliments my parenting style nicely. I’d like to give back to CrossFit for it but I won’t join an affiliate again when my daughter can watch me train at home and I start dinner between intervals.
@@hillerfit i started at the first affiliate with the capability of strict muscle ups but had never done crossfit before… some/many didn’t like that - plus I was lean because I’ve always run and lifted weights and watched my food intake. Second affiliate, I was just older than most of the crowd who were single and childless (more partying). I can get a lot more done in 1.5 hours in my garage than 2 hours of commuting and class - I do wish that was not so, because I like being pushed, but I don’t see a plausible path forward without seriously impacting my family life. I do use a trainer who was once a regional athlete and knows his stuff. I would love a training buddy from time to time! People are not always friendly to new comers. I was 37 and some 20 year old girl elbowed me hard in the side while I walked through the changing area… typical behavior.
@@hillerfit my apt response was not accepted by CZcams. Trying again… First affiliate: started with capability of strict muscle ups and being rather lean for a woman, simply because I ran, weight trained and ate to my necessary amount. Many (girls) were not very friendly. I was 38 and to give an example, I walked through the change area and was purposefully elbowed hard in stomach and given a snarky look. A few nasty comments from the oly coach and a constant shoulder injury, and remarks about my body and zero friendliness or support, I decided my money could go elsewhere. Second affiliate: I was simply older than the crowd and the crowd drank a lot. Just socially isolated though the husband wife who ran it were lovely and very good programmers. I got very strong … but it was a struggle to bring daughter along when essentially I could do it in my garage. I do agree, it helps to have a fitness buddy but an affiliate is no guarantee of that. I’d like to support CrossFit but affiliate dues and travel back and forth just isn’t worth it - I can do a lot more in 1.5 hrs at home than 2 hours including commute time to the affiliate. If I lived across the street, maybe I’d suck it up. But you don’t automatically have a good social experience, or even a kind one, at the affiliates.
What sold me on CrossFit in 2008 was the videos of hot chicks and jacked dudes working out on CrossFit’s CZcams channel. And the way Greg talked about what CrossFit could do for me in the one square foot of real estate between my ears. So yeah.
I’ve been to a few boxes where the community sucked. Very clicky, the better athletes didn’t interact with the every day fitness goers, people didn’t really interact with each other. If someone tried to sell me on community and that’s my first interaction with CrossFit, I would never go again.
When I moved away from my home box, where I started cf the hardest part was finding a box with the community that fits me or make me feel certain way...making me wanting to come back.
I’m with you dude…I do CF because I wanted to get in better health & shape…My problem is I think CF is pushin the community thing to just get people to affiliates for more of a financial reason..And, if you don’t do the affiliate thing then you’re NOT part of the CF community…And, thats kinda bothersome cause I got into CF for me cause it was the outsider cool thing, but now it seems more corporate,🤷🏻♂️..,But, that’s just me and my small opinion..
Love this. It's important to talk about and literally relates to EVERYTHING. You can even relate it to religion and churches. They don't sell you on the community that you get from going. They SELL you the gospel because that's the point. With CrossFit, the selling point should be the fitness, the friendly competition with friends and members, and the CF Games of course.
I needed to start CF so that I would move my fat arse and start to save my own life, not so that I could gain a new friend group. I needed to know how to do hard shit on my own, not having other people being the reason I get through a workout. But that's just me 🤷🏼♀️ I know others like to have part of their identity as being part of the community.
Years ago it was a joke that CrossFitters are just nerds that have to spend a ridiculous monthly fee to buy a friend group. Now HQ is like "yeah, lets run with that". I definitely made some good friends from the time I was going to an affiliate. But that wasn't the selling point. The Community is great, the Community is also cliquey. It's not all upside. The methodology is what needs to be talked about first. The accountability that comes with the Community is icing on the cake. The gym drama that also comes with the Community is the pickles on the cake. HQ... just stick to selling on the methodology.
“It’s the only community….. movements put together so that you can have these freakin outcomes of devastation!” ❤ love it Hiller. Great breakdown. We can’t allow CrossFit to water it down to “a great community”. That’s so lame!
I was the other way around. I was already somewhat successful with my training. I joined CrossFit because of how awesome the community was, and the increased fitness was a pleasant surprise.
At the end of the day, as an affiliate owner, I could care less of why they joined my gym, I am just happy they decided to join my gym. If they joined because they are are lonely, want to lose fat or really want to learn more about the whole CF methodology, my job is to make them happy that they chose my gym.
I joined a CrossFit gym in August of 2020 because the place I play indoor soccer at was closing because “social distancing” BS. After about a month I was all in! Then found Sevan and watched all the docs and then learned about the methodology. But the community, suffering in workouts with the same people everyday kept me coming back! I remember when sevan was afraid to talk to you 😂. Look at you guys now
One huge missed opportunity: You mentioned giving people the tools to save their own lives. Being the Christmas season, you could have switched to a super brief clip of the fun and famous 80s Christmas song "We Are the World" where they sing the lyric "We're saving our own lives." :)
The Cult (community) of crossfit was a huge turn off for me when I started crossfit. But I was convinced to try it and the results were unlike any I had ever experienced, so I kept going back.
@@hillerfit Naw, been subbed for about 9 months. DB and McKenzie Flinchum fan. Found you through Sevan. I hate fake people. Even though I’m not a crossfitter your 100% brutal honesty is so freaking refreshing.
@@BigJesse579got it! McKenzie is the best. Db too although I don’t know her as well. This comment makes the baby comment even funnier. Tia is the furthest thing from brutally honest
I tried out F45 - it was good, enjoyed it. But personally I didn't feel community in that one visit - people are either so focused and aren't talking to anyone or those who know each other group together. I've also realized "community" type fitness isn't for me - not sure how long it takes to feel like community. I also want to take my time with my lifts - I'm not built for the speed functional fitness is 😂
You are 100% right!!! With EVERYTHING you say in the video! I am a Crossfiter. It is about DOING CrossFit, and the community is a positive side effect. The "problem" is Greg Glassman wrote EVERYTHING important down and was super smart - and the current CrossFit CEO is just not smart, only wants to make more money, and does even that super poorly!!! Worst CEO of any company ever.
HQ just wants you to wanna heal, want you to feel what you thought was never real Want you let go of the pain you felt so long. They want you to feel close to something real And want you to find something you wanted all along Somewhere you belong.
I will add this video next to "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas" in my holiday viewing rotation. What's next? An Easter Bunny "Natty or Not?" expose'? LOL. Merry Christmas Mr. Hiller.
The community you pay for. And for many of us it is way more expensive than we can justify. Fitness for the better off. From the outset it had capitalist ideology stamped all over it. For most that is not a bad thing, many may embrace it, but the smart will see it for what it is, ugly, divisive, the root of all the other discriminations and divisions, the class division.
Actually Andrew, this is my favorite of your posts. There is a whole lot more that I'd like to say...but I'll leave it at...I think that you, I, and Greg are the only persons that get it. Btw, the median IQ at my box (that I'm a member at) is well down into double digits. I pull my hair out every day...muuch less so on my community-of-one days...like today, when no one else is at the gym! Yay!
I know I probably need to let this go but back in 2021 here in New Zealand when the government went full time Gestapo and banned any unjabbed person from gyms/restaurants/bars/ et al (heck we couldn’t even get a haircut ffs!) I was right royally kicked out of the CrossFit box I’d been a member of for over 3 years, travelling 45 minutes each way 3 times a week to workout. No one, not one person from that ‘community’ ever got in touch to see how I was doing. Nor did the owners ever have the balls to get in touch when the madness was over and either apologise (probably a step waaaay too far) or invite me back. I know it was an incredibly decisive time but you’d think someone would have the heart and courage to get in touch… is that what you think, you think 👊
I feel like I need to drink at least 2 cans of C4 before watching your videos first thing in the morning :-) to match that intensity .. I joined Crossfit - because I was tired of running or hitting the Gold's gym - was looking for something different - all the guys that told me about it - NONE had mentioned about the community - it was all about the intense workouts . the community was just a byproduct-
I was probably the only person in the coliseum that didn’t stand up and clap for Roman when he broke his foot. He didn’t try on the last workout just as much as BKG didn’t try on the snatch. Change my mind Taylor Self
4 minutes in. The point about the tailgate… while the Bears may not talk about the tailgate community, MANY brands do. Beer, chips, superstores, even car commercials capitalize on the tailgate community specifically. Granted they generally aren’t saying come tailgate to be a part of this community, but it’s still marketing to similar emotions.
I love watching the CrossFit games and think they have a good mission but I would not do CrossFit. The biggest reason is it’s too expensive for what you get. I have a peloton membership for £39 a month. I get running, strength, bike, row and stretching classes. If they made it more accessible and affordable, they would get more people.
I wish I worked at CrossFit HQ Media. I have no media experience but I literally feel I could keep a job over there by proposing video ideas completely stolen from Hiller.
Dude, you're doing some mental gymnastics to prove this one. I think you've lost sight of the forest through the trees. And also, Greg left (sold the company) no one kicked him out.
I’m torn on this one. If it gets em in the door then what’s the issue? During the “pandemic” isolation was killing peoole and this whole loneliness campaign does seem to be getting attention. Holler, you’ve said yourself, whatever gets the views. I’ve had moms with postpartum depression come in for some form of social interaction with a side of exercise and STAY because of the methodology. Not disagreeing that the methodology is CrossFit but after an isolating world scam, the promise of a community does indeed get people in the doors and then it’s our job to show them why they should stay
Devils advocate.... if it gets ppl in the door, who otherwise wouldn't connect with the "crossfit is ______" posts, and then bc they are there, they stay because of the difference (not the community), isn't that a win? Meaning it could be a different way to get ppl to learn what crossfit is because they initially wanted the community. Doesn't mean "community" is the only posts HQ makes, but just one style.. in addition to "crossfit is different/better bc _____" (non community related) content
Community is the by product. That’s one thing I’ve always tried to avoid saying when someone asks what sets the box I’m at apart from any other. Easy and go to answer for most is community, but we all have that so what else?
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned your goal is to give them the tools they need. Even prior to CrossFit, my goal as a trainer was to teach and develop someone enough that they don’t need me anymore. Of course I still want to coach and love that some members are with us for years and years. However, community isn’t something that is immediately there, but you know what is? An enthusiastic owner, a coach that wants to continue to get better, a team that does its best to educate and teach proper mechanics and nutrition. Those are the things that build “community” and instead of selling that, maybe a better word or phrase should be “continuing fitness education” or idk something like that.
Community is what makes your, sevans, CPW, gwtp, channel strong, but we don’t see yall yelling “watch my videos cause we have a strong community”
It’s like stating the obvious.
Alright rant over 😅
“watch my videos cause we have a strong community”
-Fucking Bingo
Community was the selling point for me when I first joined almost 7 years ago. I had no idea about the methodology or the backstory to what set CrossFit a part from all the other fitness programs. I saw on social media a group of people coming together for fitness and doing really cool things outside the box that helped the community. Since joining i've grown so much that I got my L1 this year so I can pass Greg's methodology and what CrossFit has done for me.
Everyone: “Merry Christmas! Joy to the world….”
Hiller: (yells at clouds)
🦇
WAR
I started my adult life in advertising, and then became a pastor in the Lutheran Church. In both instances, one of the biggest faults of advertisers and evangelizers was that they spoke to themselves. They claimed that their target was people outside the company/church but everything they did and said was speaking to existing customers and members. It was like they were so inbred that they could not relate to those outside of their community. Fought many battles in both settings trying to get beyond the incestuous thinking of the company. We are not advertising to existing customers/members but trying to reach people outside of the bubble. CrossFit is about unique path of FITNESS this should be first and foremost. People that I know in CrossFit are their because they are interested in and desiring a fitness lifestyle and improved health. If finding a community was their priority they might join a church or social group. CrossFit community is important to fitness lifestyle but it is a bi-product of the CrossFit lifestyle.
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You are so 100% right!
The community is the greatest asset of CrossFit. F45, Orange Theory, and others are right to market community first, but luckily for us, we all know they wish they were CrossFit because it’s ultimately our methodology that sets us apart.
CrossFit presents a multifaceted value to people, and I’ve showed that 3:00 video to three people and all three of them have some CrossFit since.
That shit is 🔥, it’s what people want to see, and CrossFit knows it because CrossFit knows that everyone knows exercise and nutrition is important.
The hook is the community, and then you start sprinkling in how the methodology sets us apart. That’s the recipe for success
💪😎🤙
Mr. Slop I hear you! I think it is safe to say we can agree to disagree here though homie. It's egg before the chicken, or chicken before the egg I believe with us.
As an L3 and Affiliate owner, I could not agree more. I thought that video and the accompanying article was one of the best pieces of media CF has put out this past year. I don’t understand the hate. We can market community AND still be focused on increasing work capacity across broad time and modal domains.
Great video. I like that you go deep on these issues. Community is great. But when Crossfit markets that above all else they are missing the crucial point. Community happens because of the product. The actual product is never mentioned in the ad.
“Ruined Christmas” hahahahaha
I love this video, so agree with you, the affiliate has become a place of inclusivity, and not about building work capacity. You’ll get some affiliates here and there that fly the OG flag, but most want to be super inclusive of everybody.
I heard they don't even tell you the standard weights on the benchmarks anymore in some affiliates.
Going to a CrossFit gym was the most socially isolating experience I have dealt with because you expect it not to be - I’m hoping it’s different in the states with a larger population.
However, I train CrossFit solo in my garage now and it compliments my parenting style nicely. I’d like to give back to CrossFit for it but I won’t join an affiliate again when my daughter can watch me train at home and I start dinner between intervals.
How come it was isolating?
@@hillerfit i started at the first affiliate with the capability of strict muscle ups but had never done crossfit before… some/many didn’t like that - plus I was lean because I’ve always run and lifted weights and watched my food intake. Second affiliate, I was just older than most of the crowd who were single and childless (more partying). I can get a lot more done in 1.5 hours in my garage than 2 hours of commuting and class - I do wish that was not so, because I like being pushed, but I don’t see a plausible path forward without seriously impacting my family life. I do use a trainer who was once a regional athlete and knows his stuff. I would love a training buddy from time to time! People are not always friendly to new comers. I was 37 and some 20 year old girl elbowed me hard in the side while I walked through the changing area… typical behavior.
@@hillerfit my apt response was not accepted by CZcams. Trying again…
First affiliate: started with capability of strict muscle ups and being rather lean for a woman, simply because I ran, weight trained and ate to my necessary amount. Many (girls) were not very friendly. I was 38 and to give an example, I walked through the change area and was purposefully elbowed hard in stomach and given a snarky look. A few nasty comments from the oly coach and a constant shoulder injury, and remarks about my body and zero friendliness or support, I decided my money could go elsewhere.
Second affiliate: I was simply older than the crowd and the crowd drank a lot. Just socially isolated though the husband wife who ran it were lovely and very good programmers. I got very strong … but it was a struggle to bring daughter along when essentially I could do it in my garage.
I do agree, it helps to have a fitness buddy but an affiliate is no guarantee of that. I’d like to support CrossFit but affiliate dues and travel back and forth just isn’t worth it - I can do a lot more in 1.5 hrs at home than 2 hours including commute time to the affiliate. If I lived across the street, maybe I’d suck it up. But you don’t automatically have a good social experience, or even a kind one, at the affiliates.
What sold me on CrossFit in 2008 was the videos of hot chicks and jacked dudes working out on CrossFit’s CZcams channel. And the way Greg talked about what CrossFit could do for me in the one square foot of real estate between my ears. So yeah.
Good stuff
I love how you’ve never stopped waiving glassmans flag. Hell yes.
I’ve been to a few boxes where the community sucked. Very clicky, the better athletes didn’t interact with the every day fitness goers, people didn’t really interact with each other. If someone tried to sell me on community and that’s my first interaction with CrossFit, I would never go again.
Literally my experience! Good thing I'm happy on my own and pursue fitness for my own sake and not the "community".
This is my favorite video to date. That’s saying a lot because this guy puts out consistently great content.
When I moved away from my home box, where I started cf the hardest part was finding a box with the community that fits me or make me feel certain way...making me wanting to come back.
Just wanted to say CDC has no credibility after the last few years. That’s all 😂
'"oh well"
🦇🦇🦇
This had me laugh while running on the treadmill. Andrew is mastering these!
I’m with you dude…I do CF because I wanted to get in better health & shape…My problem is I think CF is pushin the community thing to just get people to affiliates for more of a financial reason..And, if you don’t do the affiliate thing then you’re NOT part of the CF community…And, thats kinda bothersome cause I got into CF for me cause it was the outsider cool thing, but now it seems more corporate,🤷🏻♂️..,But, that’s just me and my small opinion..
Love this. It's important to talk about and literally relates to EVERYTHING. You can even relate it to religion and churches. They don't sell you on the community that you get from going. They SELL you the gospel because that's the point. With CrossFit, the selling point should be the fitness, the friendly competition with friends and members, and the CF Games of course.
I needed to start CF so that I would move my fat arse and start to save my own life, not so that I could gain a new friend group. I needed to know how to do hard shit on my own, not having other people being the reason I get through a workout. But that's just me 🤷🏼♀️ I know others like to have part of their identity as being part of the community.
This is a perfect video! Exactly my thoughts when I watched that CrossFit video. Come on to get healthy and live longer. That’s what we need to sell
Instead they are selling codependency
Years ago it was a joke that CrossFitters are just nerds that have to spend a ridiculous monthly fee to buy a friend group. Now HQ is like "yeah, lets run with that".
I definitely made some good friends from the time I was going to an affiliate. But that wasn't the selling point. The Community is great, the Community is also cliquey. It's not all upside. The methodology is what needs to be talked about first. The accountability that comes with the Community is icing on the cake. The gym drama that also comes with the Community is the pickles on the cake.
HQ... just stick to selling on the methodology.
“It’s the only community….. movements put together so that you can have these freakin outcomes of devastation!” ❤ love it Hiller. Great breakdown. We can’t allow CrossFit to water it down to “a great community”. That’s so lame!
I started Crossfit because of the training methodology. The community is a by-product. I think that’s what you are getting at right?
Nailed it
I was the other way around. I was already somewhat successful with my training. I joined CrossFit because of how awesome the community was, and the increased fitness was a pleasant surprise.
At the end of the day, as an affiliate owner, I could care less of why they joined my gym, I am just happy they decided to join my gym. If they joined because they are are lonely, want to lose fat or really want to learn more about the whole CF methodology, my job is to make them happy that they chose my gym.
I joined a CrossFit gym in August of 2020 because the place I play indoor soccer at was closing because “social distancing” BS. After about a month I was all in! Then found Sevan and watched all the docs and then learned about the methodology. But the community, suffering in workouts with the same people everyday kept me coming back! I remember when sevan was afraid to talk to you 😂. Look at you guys now
For the algorithm brother
Thanks homie 🫡
One huge missed opportunity: You mentioned giving people the tools to save their own lives. Being the Christmas season, you could have switched to a super brief clip of the fun and famous 80s Christmas song "We Are the World" where they sing the lyric "We're saving our own lives." :)
This video is so effing spot on Andrew.
The Cult (community) of crossfit was a huge turn off for me when I started crossfit. But I was convinced to try it and the results were unlike any I had ever experienced, so I kept going back.
Hey quick question. I know it’s a little off topic but by chance does anybody know if Tia Clair Toomey had a baby recently??? **Sarcasm intended**
You don’t know how funny this question is hahaha but yes she did
@@hillerfit I do know. Sarcasm intended
@@BigJesse579damn. You said you were new. I wasn’t sure how new lol
@@hillerfit Naw, been subbed for about 9 months. DB and McKenzie Flinchum fan. Found you through Sevan. I hate fake people. Even though I’m not a crossfitter your 100% brutal honesty is so freaking refreshing.
@@BigJesse579got it! McKenzie is the best. Db too although I don’t know her as well. This comment makes the baby comment even funnier. Tia is the furthest thing from brutally honest
I tried out F45 - it was good, enjoyed it. But personally I didn't feel community in that one visit - people are either so focused and aren't talking to anyone or those who know each other group together. I've also realized "community" type fitness isn't for me - not sure how long it takes to feel like community. I also want to take my time with my lifts - I'm not built for the speed functional fitness is 😂
You are 100% right!!! With EVERYTHING you say in the video! I am a Crossfiter. It is about DOING CrossFit, and the community is a positive side effect. The "problem" is Greg Glassman wrote EVERYTHING important down and was super smart - and the current CrossFit CEO is just not smart, only wants to make more money, and does even that super poorly!!! Worst CEO of any company ever.
Where to download CF journal PDF?
HQ just wants you to wanna heal, want you to feel what you thought was never real
Want you let go of the pain you felt so long. They want you to feel close to something real
And want you to find something you wanted all along
Somewhere you belong.
I tried a C4 the other day out of curiosity and my whole upper body was tingling for 30 minutes afterwards. 😂 Weirdest reaction, lol
This video is so freaking good!
“Android? What are you, poor?” 😂
Ok, when you put it that way…😂😂
I love my affiliate and the friends I made there, but I could argue that the friends I made there are worse for my mental. 😂
Unpopular opinion: I go the gym/box for Fitness not Community, actually all the happy clappy back-slappy stuff is a turn off for me 🤐
I will add this video next to "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas" in my holiday viewing rotation. What's next? An Easter Bunny "Natty or Not?" expose'? LOL. Merry Christmas Mr. Hiller.
The community you pay for. And for many of us it is way more expensive than we can justify. Fitness for the better off. From the outset it had capitalist ideology stamped all over it. For most that is not a bad thing, many may embrace it, but the smart will see it for what it is, ugly, divisive, the root of all the other discriminations and divisions, the class division.
Actually Andrew, this is my favorite of your posts. There is a whole lot more that I'd like to say...but I'll leave it at...I think that you, I, and Greg are the only persons that get it. Btw, the median IQ at my box (that I'm a member at) is well down into double digits. I pull my hair out every day...muuch less so on my community-of-one days...like today, when no one else is at the gym! Yay!
I know I probably need to let this go but back in 2021 here in New Zealand when the government went full time Gestapo and banned any unjabbed person from gyms/restaurants/bars/ et al (heck we couldn’t even get a haircut ffs!) I was right royally kicked out of the CrossFit box I’d been a member of for over 3 years, travelling 45 minutes each way 3 times a week to workout. No one, not one person from that ‘community’ ever got in touch to see how I was doing. Nor did the owners ever have the balls to get in touch when the madness was over and either apologise (probably a step waaaay too far) or invite me back. I know it was an incredibly decisive time but you’d think someone would have the heart and courage to get in touch… is that what you think, you think 👊
Great vid
I feel like I need to drink at least 2 cans of C4 before watching your videos first thing in the morning :-) to match that intensity .. I joined Crossfit - because I was tired of running or hitting the Gold's gym - was looking for something different - all the guys that told me about it - NONE had mentioned about the community - it was all about the intense workouts . the community was just a byproduct-
I was probably the only person in the coliseum that didn’t stand up and clap for Roman when he broke his foot. He didn’t try on the last workout just as much as BKG didn’t try on the snatch. Change my mind Taylor Self
Taylor. You must respond
I’m not going to waste my time trying to change your handicapped mind.
4 minutes in. The point about the tailgate… while the Bears may not talk about the tailgate community, MANY brands do. Beer, chips, superstores, even car commercials capitalize on the tailgate community specifically. Granted they generally aren’t saying come tailgate to be a part of this community, but it’s still marketing to similar emotions.
This video is bang on
The “if you talk to everyone you talk to no one” isn’t a you thing! It’s a true marketing point! Trying to talk to everyone is horrible marketing.
Another banger 🔥
I love watching the CrossFit games and think they have a good mission but I would not do CrossFit. The biggest reason is it’s too expensive for what you get. I have a peloton membership for £39 a month. I get running, strength, bike, row and stretching classes. If they made it more accessible and affordable, they would get more people.
I wish I worked at CrossFit HQ Media. I have no media experience but I literally feel I could keep a job over there by proposing video ideas completely stolen from Hiller.
We need a C4 community
15 videos on the way 😅
Andrew Hiller never fails to post CrossFit
This is a true statement
@@hillerfit no way 🤣🤣
Dude, you're doing some mental gymnastics to prove this one. I think you've lost sight of the forest through the trees. And also, Greg left (sold the company) no one kicked him out.
Mental gymnastics sure. But what did I say that was not correct?
@@hillerfit if you agree with your opinion than it's all correct.
I’m torn on this one. If it gets em in the door then what’s the issue?
During the “pandemic” isolation was killing peoole and this whole loneliness campaign does seem to be getting attention.
Holler, you’ve said yourself, whatever gets the views.
I’ve had moms with postpartum depression come in for some form of social interaction with a side of exercise and STAY because of the methodology.
Not disagreeing that the methodology is CrossFit but after an isolating world scam, the promise of a community does indeed get people in the doors and then it’s our job to show them why they should stay
You’re not wrong.
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Devils advocate.... if it gets ppl in the door, who otherwise wouldn't connect with the "crossfit is ______" posts, and then bc they are there, they stay because of the difference (not the community), isn't that a win? Meaning it could be a different way to get ppl to learn what crossfit is because they initially wanted the community. Doesn't mean "community" is the only posts HQ makes, but just one style.. in addition to "crossfit is different/better bc _____" (non community related) content
I aways say bigger isn't always better it's just bigger
I actually learned this with Christmas presents at one point
Exactly 👍🏻 Merry Christmas Mr. Hiller
Crossfit Community is way overdone 😅 Its real but it's not gold dust
Bruhhh.
the whining is incessant
I don't understand what you're saying. But I appreciate you being here.
@@hillerfit 😂😂😂