Justin Medeiros || Natty or Not
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Every day I get AT LEAST 5 inbox messages asking for me whether or not so and so is using steroids. It isn't always so easy as LOOKING at a picture, and they aren't always "steroids."
In my first Natty or Not on a CrossFit Athlete I hope to educate the community on the methods I use to determine the likelyhood that someone is using PEDs.
Mind you, you will never know for sure, AND it is a druge tested sport. So everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
This doesn't mean that we can't have some fun though.
So in my introduction to the CrossFit world and "Natty or Nots" I figured who better than the winner of the last CrossFit Games. Justin Medeiros. Who I suspect will be winning them until he no longer wants to...
Enjoy
-Coach Andy
Do you guys want more of these? Do you find them informative?
Yes sir! Love these videos!
Definitely
lots
yes please would be great if once week / month
I’ll watch anything you put out, let’s be real😂😂
I love your content. You do your due diligence. You’re as transparent as possible about your knowledge & possible bias. You’re not afraid to speak your mind. You also admit when you’re wrong. Outstanding work!
Justin was my first friend when I stepped into a crossfit gym in 2014 and I can tell you first hand he's one of the hardest working and authentic dudes I know. Back then he'd do 3 hours of wrestling practice then come straight into the gym a crush the compeitiors programming we were doing at the time, his energy seemed endless haha. 100% Natty.
This is great to see from someone who knows the dude well. Justin is a freak in the best sort of way
Ive known Justin since he was a kid as well, and also concur with this statement.
The naivety of you guys is strong in here. Get a clue guys. many of the closest people to me would have had no idea when I was using. Don't underestimate what lengths people will go to, to win.
@Beastbombshell I think you hit the nail on the head when you said he is a super hard worker. You can do all the gear in the world and still be shit. It takes dedication and sacrifice to be as good as these dudes the drugs just give it a supercharge
@Beastbombshell except everyone who was around Lance Armstrong knew and he made them keep quite or face consequence… So bad example
Awesome video. People jump to conclusions, normally because of being jealous, but when you look at his history its clear this dude has been at it for a while.
An awesome case of what is possible!
I was skeptical at first seeing another Natty or Not out there but this is an awesome video. Very well articulated in making your points throughout. Not really surprised because all of your stuff is like that. Another great video, well done sir! 🤘🏼
Hell yeah awesome to hear. Thanks Edwin
Super refreshing take. Somewhat a relief to hear you can be good and natural
In my opinion yes
Very cool. The first person I've heard mentioning puberty in terms of strength/muscle growth which is a thought I've very much had. We are also now seeing the first real groups of youngsters who have grown up with CrossFit. When I was a kid, soccer was the main sport, something I did everyday, trained hard at and reached a very decent level of. If CrossFit was around maybe I'd have put the hours into that and reached a decent level as a CrossFit athlete. Over the next few years we are going to see more and more young athletes making it to the top rungs of the CrossFit elite as it's what they've trained as since they were kids.
It is amazing to see where these people will go when introduced to loading the body at younger ages. The health and wellness world shunned this for far too long
@@hillerfit exactly, when I was a kid (I'm pushing 50 now) weight training was something that was to be avoided for teenagers as it might 'damage their growth ' but as you pointed out, and I believe' is hard fitness training at these ages really can give a massive boost for the rest of their life.
Love listening to you talk, always entertaining. Great points and 1 I think so many people fail to respect and lead them to talk negatively about is GENETICS. There's a reason why certain people can function at the level they are at. Michael Jordan practiced his a$$ off sure, but it was also his genetics that allowed him to function at his best along with all the practice. Its why so many professional athletes tend to play dual sports in school. Sure, hard work will always lead to the best version of oneself, but to perform as an elite level athlete, you're pre-disposed to that, add in the hard work and that's what leads to your greatness.
Also....wrestling for life- best sport I've ever been a part of.
"Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard."
And in the case of Justin? He does both. As many in our space do! Maybe if everyone wrestled the playing field would be leveled lol
@@hillerfit haha. Maybe it could be an event at the games is we had enough Wrestlers.🤣
@@drumzforbumz I always thought something sumo style would/could work
I always thought a 1 on 1 Tug of War bracket style at the Games would be interesting.
@@belmontdwl They did this at rogue with the teams!
My son started CrossFit 7 months ago at just turning 14 and in that 7 months. He's back squatting 97.5kg, clean 85kg and snatching 62.5kg also his endurance is insane. It's not the weights that are impressive with the kids, it's how quick they learn or there body adapts. He throws up 25/30 bar MU easy and one day he can't do something, then the next day he's passing me like lightning! It's crazy... I think videos like this are important for the new youth culture in CrossFit, it shows you can succeed without the gear!..I wish there was more random testing...seeing the extremely fast progression at this age first hand makes me really believe what maderios can do..
Just wait a few hours on the random testing part!
Thought the video was from Greg Doucette when I saw the thumbnail!😅 Great job man. The CrossFit community needs this
THAT MEANS I DID IT RIGHT!!! thanks man
i dont even do or watch crossfit, but i appreciate your content and honesty. also great job developing your editing skills, i've seen your videos improve since you first started.
Very much appreciated man! I put a lot of time into them
His videos aren’t natty!!!!
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK 🦇!!!
was your funniest video I think
All your videos are getting people wanting more and definitely talking about it while watching more of the sport . Great job and I can guarantee you we are all thinking about good reps even if we are not getting judged on video thanks to your clever way to stimulate the CrossFit community to do better
👊🏽😎seriously keep up the good work because I can guarantee you again that people will drop those peds just because there is a voice in the CrossFit space now with thousands of eyes watching ready to keep CrossFit honest . Is important work that you are doing Andrew for the future of the sport to survive after all the chaos lately. What you are doing even if people like it or not is reinforcing the foundation how it was intended…good reps honor system promoting the best version of yourself even if no one is watching
It is what got us in this thing in the first place right? What I am seeing is that most who see things the wrong way just haven't understood what it is WE are trying to do. When they understand they jump aboard the crew
Justin is a BEAST, His coach is very experienced and is a BEAST himself. One of the BEST coaches ever Adam Neiffer !!
Yep. He’s a beast. Sadly we will never know who’s clean and who’s not with the current testing protocol. Just sit back and enjoy the show and don’t let the uncertainty ruin the sport.
Very interesting analysis! I also agree that some folks are more blessed in the genetics department than others. Justin Medeiros also appears to benefit greatly from his wrestling background; I can also see him repeating as the CF Games champ this year...and the years to come.
GREAT VIDEO. I would love a natty or not on Noah Olsen. Not making any accusations but when you compare a physique like Noah’s to a Justin it’s absolutely ridiculous
What about Haley Adams. Do you think she's natty? The poor girl really struggles when it comes to the strength events.
Completely unrelated to this topic...
But do we remember that time when crossfit east Nashville got 1st place in the open then ended in like 160 or whatever in the quarters?
I am so happy you pointed this out. Ready to rumble
Well said. That’s not to say he doesn’t take anything or fringe stuff. He’s able to stay on the safe side. Making sure he has optimum supplements for his body to recover and perform at its peak. Anyone else would need to be fully juiced. I’m betting his diet and supplementation is cutting edge. He would be for sure metabolically flexible.
Great video. I guess a devils advocate argument would be could a clean Justin beat a geared top tier CrossFit athlete? In other words, is it possible for a clean person to win in a sport where clearly there is a drug problem? The thing that worries me is PEDs are so ridiculously effective that is just feels impossible for someone clean to be good enough to beat a field of elite people who are also geared.
Mat still beat Ricky by a huge margin the year Ricky popped so 🤷🏼♀️
Unless you’re argument is Mat isn’t natty… Mat is a smart competitor and has movement efficiency dialed in, two things that you can’t get from a bottle
Yes Thank you for putting out this content it's encouraging to get back into it again. I have a long way to go..
Haha this cat. 😂 “I’m a professional, I’ve studied this.”
As he touched on, there are so many different kinds of steroids. Ellie Gabbard popped for a kind that helps blood oxygen. Blood oxygen, in a muscular endurance competition is critical.
Sarah S, Katrin, Amanda Barnhart have no hips. They have an overabundance of hair, specifically on their arms. From an anatomical/physiological standpoint, these are anomalies but in Crossfit Females, they're typical. Why?
A top Olympic lifter popped and was removed from completion. He was tested! Did he just start using? Gtfoh!
Im an intermediate level bodybuilder. After a grueling, to failure type of workout Im gassed. That's whats supposed to happen. But these Crossfitters do two a days, 4-5xs a week for months. Muscular endurance/aerobic capacity in the AM then Lifting in the PM. Lemme guess, it's the great sleep from their mattresses and whoop trackers and all those great supplements from 1st Phorm, right?
The top athletes certainly have genetic predispositions, but to get there, stay there and perform at such high level bodily stress, Im not buying the natty status.
I think Gee is gonna be a massive push for Justin
He is one of the few I think could surpass him
Also as a former grappler. I think people don't understand the mental toughness and work ethic wrestler have. Especially high level ones. Wrestling practice is one of the hardest WODs out there.
Both my boys wrestle for their school team and I agree, that is a very difficult sport. But I stand by the fact that natural childbirth is most definitely the hardest WOD ever. There has never been a wod that even comes close. 💪
@@Corinna-Mom haha. You got me on that. No argument here!
Corinna coming in with a truth bomb
@@waltfit9235 😉
@@hillerfit 😎
Hitting on a LARGE up and down on size/weight on athletes. I believe Noah Olsen “dropped” 20# (I believe that is what he said) before Wodapolooza. He talked about it in one of his videos. Cleaning up his eating and less muscle mass so he wasn’t so heavy!????….. 🤔🤔🤔
Only time I lost that much weight was when I had mono and couldn't eat for 2 weeks
@@hillerfit I had mono and Covid. Horrid. But I didn’t lose weight. Makes you think!!!???
Oh let’s goooooooooooo.
More of this. All day!
Whatever you say Chet!
@@hillerfit 🦇💪🏼🦇🖤
For how much everyone is talking about this guy, how does he only have 9k subscribers?
Definitely surprised me on your take, but it totally makes sense
Some of my other opinions I am sure would not suprise you
I do agree about the genetics. At 16 and under 100 lbs I threw a shotput farther than the senior qb of our football team and beat our starting fullback, who became a college all-america back and an all pro fullback for Green Bay in armwrestling.
Probably why I won a few International Powerlifting Federation world championships.
I’ll just say as a spectator and ALSO as a coach for athletes, I really really really do not care if and what they use. I know better than to think every athlete at high levels are natural, I also know better than to think they’re all taking something let alone a lot. In order for them to get this far- at baseline their work ethic and talent is freaky. The extra recovery helps A LOT, but it doesn’t create champs from chumps. Idk this guy that well but from what you’ve shown and what I’ve seen, he seems like a crazy freak athlete with a lot of physical attributes that would lead him towards success. Idk. Sports are more fun to watch when athletes are pushing the limits of the human body
Great insight Nick. I agree I don't care when it comes to the sport. I do care when it comes to the shit products they push.
@@hillerfit I’ll be honest I typically disregard those things because I know that stuff is likely not contributing any more than a fraction of a percent to their success IF THAT and that’s assuming they actually use it. I do agree that’s pretty shitty and needs to be put in check
@@hillerfit Like CF promoting MONSTER? Ridiculous. Keep putting out the great content Andrew.
Like what you did with this one and agree 100% on Justin. He’s a genetic freak and his body composition doesn’t scream anabolics to me.
Now, can we do a natty or not on Royce Dunn? 😂
hahaha that should've been my response yesterday
@@hillerfit 😂🤣
would like to hear what you think about will moorad from the 2016 games to now.
This is a wicked video thanks for making this and big respect to Justin!
Hell yeah WICKED!!! Thanks man
Ricky Gerard tested positive for RAD140 which is a SARM, not a peptide. RAD140 is more androgenic than Anavar according to Coach Greg.
Wasn't it gw50516, cadarine?
Both.
Yes I misspoke
I remember somone describing Crossfit's drug testing as porous and that's being kind. Their biggest names could piss orange and no one would pop. The so-called sport can't afford to have it's most popular exposed.
I think that they just call that rhabdo and move on lol
It only won the academy award for greatest movie of all time - Ricky Bobby
Well said Andrew. Make the content nobody else wants to make
One way to get clicks lol
I would put it in a slightly different way. I'd say Justin Medeiros could very well be taking drugs but it is certainly not evident and it is not the reason why he wins. Maybe all of them do and they are sort of equalized.
Emily Rolfe given the arm situation or Dani Speegle
If lean BMI 25 is max for drug free as we hear, then Medeiros is very close to the edge. At 5' 9", 170 lbs lean is about the max. If his body fat percentage is around 15%, then 190 is well within reason.
I want to see if Jason Grubb is on gear. I casually commented on a video of his about how much TRT and HGH he is taking and he went off on me. I can post his reply here if anyone is interested. But IMO, if he is not taking gear of any kind then a casual comment should be either brushed off or taken as a compliment for all his hard work. Not to attack an anonymous person in the comment section to try to prove his natty status. Also at 38 he was overweight and not fit at all. Now is the reigning crossfit champion in his age class.. That does not add up to me.
I'd like to see this. Send it my way!.
I have also thought that someone accusing me of PEDs is the ultimate complement
@@hillerfit Looks like its still the top comment on his "how I went from thick & overweight at 38 to 2x crossfit games champ" czcams.com/video/A0LipvCIpsc/video.html&lc=UgyCXER16Zn8Te5hCqV4AaABAg.9_LaA_oRMXg9_PV3oM_Jd2
25 years in the fitness industry and I believe 100% Justin is natty.
Noah Olsen - rich fronning - Scott panchik ..
What of them?
@@hillerfit natty or not of each
High chance that he’s NOT a lifetime Natty. But it doesn’t matter he’s already won and solidified himself at the top.
I supose spectulation can happen both ways.
Most everyone in the crossfit games is on something. Men and women
Everyone’s on steroids -Nate Diaz
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You brought that around really nicely, enjoyed it 👍
Thanks man. I saw something on your channel the other day too.... lol
@@hillerfit you should go look at the comments on my video, overwhelmingly pro Hiller 😜👍
I am glad you are talking about this subject. I have been watching the Crossfit Competitions for a few short years now. I look at most of the people competing and I think, "They do not look natural. They are surely on some type of PED." But there are just a few that are at the top that may appear to be natural. Justin is one of the few that does not stand out, to look like he is on PEDs. Most of the rest do look like they are on PEDs. I Believe Mat Frazier was on PEDs. And I believe most all of the rest at the top of that sport are on PEDs. But Justin does not appear like them. He looks natural (Freeky but Natural). I think that if most people were competing in this sport naturally, the Recovery from the competitions/workouts would be much more difficult. And what is one of the major benefits of using PEDs? Recovery time. I also just watched your video about Tia Clair Toomey. I do believe she has been using PEDs for several years. And that Mal O'Bryan, is now being trained by Mat Frazier. I believe she is using them, and with his help, she should be able to get away with it more easily than some of the other younger competitors coming into the sport of Crossfit. Even almost knowing that this sport is allowing the use of PEDs in it, I enjoy watching it. I enjoy it as much as SEC College Football. I suffer from severe major depression. And these are 2 of the few things that quite often, I can watch, that seem to help me pass the time. Much of the time I can watch it and actually get interested in it. That is a good thing for me. On your videos, if you could not use the "F" word, it would be nicer. To me the the "F" word is offensive. But glad you are talking about this subject.
Yea the turn around time is just unbelievable. And we need to talk about it and not put such a stigma on it
Turn around time on?
I think for CF athletes, I don’t think steroids and/or SARMs provide benefit for male athletes as much as GH and/or EPO would do. But, I am sure some will take the steroids and SARMs.
Agreed
this is gonna be a fun series
the vellner picture flash... hahahaha
Love Vellner lol
Bro Come to San Diego I will teach you a back flip.
We love Justin 🤘🏽
Please do a video on Chandler Smith and Noah Ohlsen!
👀
I like how you use past facts to support your statements
I think tia is literally the same as Justin. I also think Brooke Wells (and her sister) don’t take anything. Just naturally good/athletic from a young age.
Agreed with Brooke and Syd
Tia natty!! Are you silly? You must be having a laugh.
Justin is my cousin's God brother, went to backyard bbqs... he could run on his hands faster than most kids could run on their feet by age 7-8
No he did not do that spencer. 😂
Watched this video and was like "okay, whew".
Tried to keep it interesting. Glad it kept ya!
Dude competed against Bridges at the California regionals as a teen. Bridges talks about seeing him
Run next to him.
If Maderos hit the genetic lottery then Mal O’Brien hit the mega lottery. She is T1000!
Is this a terminator 3 reference? LOVE IT
Mal is 100% not natty. Look at her - 18 year old SHREDDED girl.
@@lfk53 that girl has been working out since she was 9. Her body developed that way. I will also take note the amount of drug test she has taken and who her coach is. So if you are upset that an 18 year old has less body fat then you and can beat you in a wod then I understand.
@@swat486 OK. If you say so. You are probably vaccinated against covid - definitely sounds like the type. Gullible much.
Great video, very informative!
Thanks George!
im 32 and just hit 350lbs on a front squat.
And then we have medeiros doing it at 17 :/
Great analysis Andrew
Thanks Conor
that was a good watch man well said.
Thanks Riley
Old Hiller being afraid of juice😂
Can you do one of Jayson Hopper pls 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Not a bad idea
@@hillerfit let’s goo, I am not going to lie he is my favorite athlete at the moment
Truth bombs ! Awesome !
Thanks Sid
Justin's gonna the GOAT
This aged well.
As always, enjoyed the video, but disagree that your presentation proved Justin Madeiros is natty. I dont know whether he is, or isn't, natty, but he sure could be.
While you covered a lot of stuff very well, Inthink you missed some stuff:
1. There are PEDs that will make a 90/95 guy a 105/110 guy compared to Justin's 100.
2. Let's assume Justin's strength and in-event recovery ability is natural. But, what if he lags behind others in event to event recovery when the games have 2-3 events in one day, or in day to day recovery. If that's the case, he might use PEDs to maintain his 100 ability instead of dropping to 90/95, compared to somone else, who recovers more quickly and effectively, and can naturally maintain his 90/95 ability from one day to the next.
There are other scenarioes where he might need to use a stimulant.
Most of the top crossfit athletes have participated in sports that developed a good strength base, so their PEDs would be about endurance and recovery.
Athletes without a strength base would use strength PEDs.
I think it's doubtfull that most, if not all the games atheletes are using PEDs aimed at his/her specific athletic weakness.
Keep up the good work.
I've been a involved in the mma community sense I got out of video games probably 8 years now. I must say most the bellator dudes and ufc fighters I know do or have used something. Even with USADA testing. I be willing to bet top 1000 crossfitters have used some sort of enchament drug at some point. Plus his whole 90 to 95 argument is pretty weak especially in a recovery sport like crossfit.
Great stuff as usual 👏
Thanks James
11:57 “it’s not like he’s just gonna fall off out of no where” I wonder has your opinion changed. 🤔 Love Justin though personally think he had an unlucky year.
This was a GREAT video.
Me: just trying to watch Bar Rescue highlights.
CZcams Suggested: or… you could watch this instead.
Dude thanks youTube for helping a guy out!
My fear is Roman is definitely NOT natty. I think Roman is really going to give Justin a run for his money.
Performance is one thing it's recovery from the sheer volume of training which is the real red flag.
Noah Ohlsen should be next. No way he’s natty.
Zero chance
It assumes a lot that Justin will keep on winning the CF Games because of his excellent genetics. The rest of the field doesn't have any? Justin can't make a mistake on a workout that costs him the Games? The mental side doesn't matter in the test of fitness? Rich, Mat, and Tia were not locks every year they won. I don't know, but it seems like there are a bunch of factors that could allow someone else to win the Games.
Great video, no anger here, just thinking through it :)
I gotcha! I'm meerly making an early call that he will keep doing what has been done in the past. That is unless Gui or someone like Phil Toon can pass him up. Many of the names we know have capped out.
@@hillerfit Make sense! I hope we see some competition for the top spot. Here's hoping Vellner is a better swimmer this year 😂
A colab with Derek would bring a lot of knowledge to the subject. My guess is that he would be very interested because I don’t believe he has gone there. Reach out to him Andrew. If you haven’t already.
That would be awesome. If I can get MPMD but not Sevan lol
@@hillerfit Sevan told me to be patient. I believe he will have you on first, at this point he really has to, and then he will reciprocate. Especially if it goes well, which I anticipate.
Hard to just judge based off old photos / videos.....
How would you recomend I do it? Go grab his bloodwork right now? Even then it's impossible to know for sure. Spectulation is all that is happening and can happen.
@@hillerfit I am agreeing with you, speculation is all that can happen. Have you listened to the Johnny Romano podcast episode "Steroids in Crossfit"? (On CZcams)
@@philipdelpiere3460 got it. Hard to tell through text. And yup I have seen and listen to all of Romanos stuff!
Any updates on the t-shirts Andrew ? 👍🏻👍🏻
April 20th I was told!
Thanks 🙏🏼 brother !!!
Uh oh my boy about to make more people mad. Hahaha straight facts
Mad and they won't know why until the end lol
Well, I have been in sports since I was 10.. Many if my colleagues (freaking teenagers) where using PEDs. No dude, there is no fucking correlation between lifting heavy weights early and being natty
You should look up video “ CrossFit Suppresses Doping Speculation” by Zack Telander
I cannot stop being distracted by your eyebrow movement
On the women's side of the Crossfit Games, it is evident, that most all of them are on PEDs. Just look at them. There are the few exceptions on the women's side also. Woman who look like Haley Adams. She looks natural and she is at the top of the sport. If PEDs were not involved in the sport of Crossfit, Haley Adams would probably be the Champion.
Vellner and Fikowski would be interesting
Graham holberg looked like he was on steroids in 2015. (Looked) or he just worked really hard on strength that year
WZA?
@@hillerfit during regionals that year (I believe it was 2015) he looked so much bigger and puffyer. And I always thought of him as more leaner compared to some of the bigger guys. But having said that could have just put on more mass by training and eating. And if he wasn't taking me thinking he might be is just a compliment of the work he put in that year.
Sara sigmundsdottir??😬 one of my fave athletes but I gotta know what you think😅
100% natty.
11:36 OUCH we love Patty V but WOW that hurt
Growth hormones improves their tendons/ligaments....
MORE! 🍴I'm hooked these are fascinating
@andrewhiller After 8 years if hard training, Justin became an over night success.
Mederios is definitely using, he’s just better then everyone else at the top level that’s juicing. Dude seems like he trains like an animal
I find it funny, or should I say hypocritical, that you praise Justin for his work ethic and genetics, but then say Tia uses.
what about the women? Is it possible for natural woman to look like a man?
Love the message 🔥 Super informative
Glad you like it!
Watched this again today….5 months later you’re hitting the T. 😬😳…hope you’re good to go.
I didn’t get 350lbs till I was 58
The only problem with your analysis is that its not mathematically sound. If he were clean then he would have to be naturally 30-40% better than the nearest PED user, or the PED users are naturally 30-40% worse than him. What is also missing is the fact you are looking at a snapshot of time on his Instagram. He did one movement then what? Did he deadlift or backsquat that much weight and then perform a 40 min AMRAP, or any of the CF WODS? Did he do that 4x a day for 3 days? The answer is no. Use that same method and go back to the first CF Videos and then compare the lifts, times and scores with last years. Suddenly everyone is starting heavy lifts where two years ago the ended? Things that make you go hmmmmm???
I kind of get lost in the back end of what you are sayng there. And clearly I was just trying to be abstract in my percentages or 90-97% and trying to state that even those using cannot beat him.
As far as the AMRAPS you mentioned. He was a wrestler. No greater sport out there when you consider conditioning in the lb per lb spectrum.
@@hillerfit what I'm saying is most PED's have been shown to increase mass or metabolic rates by 30-40%. So mathematically you could say that if Justin was clean and we can assume that say two or three of the top five athletes are on PEDS. We can then say Justin is naturally 30-40% more athletic than those closest competitors that are using. Another way to prove this assumption is using the same technique you used with his Instagram with Crossfits past games data. How is that these athletes many of them the same, have increased their weight totals and decreased their WOD times significantly in a time span that doesn't support natural increases or reductions. Hey either way good conversation man! I like what your doing. Personally I think everyone should just come out with what stacks their on. But that doesn't sell protein powder does it!