Pinheiro is a 41 year old female who's carrying more lean mass than elite male athletes who are at least a decade younger than she is. Not suspicious at all according to CrossFit.
100% certainty PEDS being used check list: 1. Is it a competition? Check 2. Is money involved? Check 3. Does the competition involve any or all of the following (strength, endurance and/or speed)? Check 4. Are the competitors human? Check
As someone that knows this industry and has since I’ve been 14 years old going on 4 decades of experience in bodybuilding, elite fitness, and crossfit. It’s entire possible (not accusing) that the compounds that have the shorter half lives like a anavar,anadrol, winstrol, most orals (9 hours), tbol (16 hours), testosterone returns to baseline in a matter of 2-3 weeks running it as high as 600mg/wk are being used by many. So a lot of athletes absolutely “can” run these up until a few weeks of the competition and then just stop and test perfectly clear of anything. Personally I’d stay away from compounds like deca or EQ, but that’s a different story. Now, there is also the fact that while cosmetically and performance wise they look and perform superior that doesn’t mean they’ll succeed. You’ve got people that are unequivocally NOT on PED’s like a Leahy (hiller’s boy), or Colton Mertens (and others) and you can easily tell based upon their muscular development they are completely PED free, and athletes around the world can’t come close to their level of athleticism. Every single person on that list does NOT lead me to think they are actively, nor use enough compounds, to make a difference. The out of nowhere athlete is where you can question. You can use steroids to raise your baseline for years and then entire the CrossFit world out of nowhere and be completely PED free and JACKED. So it’s not a gaurantee you’ll succeed being on them, in fact it can make you slower as you’re attempting to move muscle you wouldn’t otherwise have it can have the opposite effect of what you planned for. Sure you’ll be strong, stronger than most, but that doesn’t always translate to success when your blood pressure is super high and your endurance drops because you’re not used to the increase in red blood cell and oxygen. Then you’ve got guys like Noah/Vellner/Fikowski that are a brick shit house sub 10% body fat they just have good genetics. But if you find the super vascular, grainy unhealthy skin, that is generally a decent “sign”…..the skin tells quite a story and I’m not even talking acne, just unhealthy red/brown tan grainy looking skin, just not a great look (fyi, Noah and others don’t have that skin, nor the sharp features except Brent, and that leads to me to believe he’s just your typical genetic freak athlete, very talented, world class athletes). I’ll tell ya, some of these Brazilian athletes….my god Pinheiro. It’s just like ok, let’s try to be a little bit more discrete please. Some of the women, for sure, that are showing incredibly noticeable signs of androgenic effects (the voice and the facial skeletal features and shoulder upper pec chest region and thick block abs) ….. I’ve seen so many female bodybuilders I can pick it out in a crowd….that chick is on 5-10mg var, that chick is on NPP, clen, dianabol, test. It’s just so noticeable next to another elite athlete not on the same compounds. Danielle Brandon is interesting because she’s got the androgenic look, but she may just be a freak athlete with higher totals than normal. Physiologically women are the MOST adrogrenic on earth, meaning that SMALL amount of PED’s have DRAMATIC effects on females. She is an outlier, she might just be a freak with higher androgenic qualities because she has more testosterone thus more estrogen running through her…..but has also never won, so again, who knows. Toomey, no, almost zero androgenic qualities in my opinion, she is a freak among freaks and natural. The other 3 below her and Haley is interesting because of the facial bone features. That’s all i got to say about that. Ciao!
I do crossfit 60 to 90 minutes, 4 times a week. My nutrition and supplements are top notch. There is 0 chance in hell a) i could work out multiple times per day b) compete in multiple events per day and have a chance to recover or even workout everyday as these people claim and not be on PEDs. And before i reach the "top gene pool" argument - fuck that. Everyone in my gym that competes on somewhat reasonable level is minimum on testosterone and it goes on from there.
Brooke Wells is achingly dull as a personality. I have no idea how she was able to come up with enough content for her ghost writer to complete a book.
That book was absolute garbage, coming from someone who pre-ordered and was excited to read it since I dislocated my own elbow some years back. The writing was poor and the whole story was her WHINING about flying around to the nations top surgeons and physical therapists and recovering in freaking Malibu
Amazed Emma Lawson didn’t make the most likely list her shoulders and traps are super impressive (not saying I thinks she’s on) crazy not even 3 people thought of her.
All 80 are doping in one way or another. Games levels CrossFit training takes a toll on your body and peds are for sure used in recovery. Change my mind.
Yeah your most likely right these people are not some sort of super human, they are something, If someone believes they are 100% natural they better go find the gold at the end of a rainbow
PAT VELLNER? Bahahahahaha! Look I love the dude, but he's HUGE compared to his first couple of seasons, when he was in his 20's and already one of the fittest people on Earth. And does anyone know who Haley Adams trainer usually trains???
TRT has become so widely accepted and normalized that athletes that are taking it to keep their numbers at the high end of normal don't think they're doping.
I was with the top 4 of the Least Likely Men list at the WCC Semis after their final event, since I was a drug test chaperone for one of the qualifying men and had to stay with them for a good hour. From what I saw (in my personal opinion, and I've been on TRT for a few years and seen some real juice monkeys at some local comps) their physique and attitudes definitely have me believing they are natty for sure.
Would be nice if there were more photos when you name these people, because new people to crossfit such as myself have no idea what you're trying to reference
As a steroid using gym goer, im happy to see people becoming more aware of PED usage and not just ignorantly believing that all of these athletes are natural despite it being pretty obvious that some are using gear
In sports no matter what the sport is, if you're making a living outta it, the chances that you're natty are almost big ass ZERO, on the other hand, if youre just an amateur yes, you could be natural!
I am surprised to not see Hattie Kanyo on the list after her performance at Semis. All the commentators surprised reactions gave me Nicholas Joyal flashbacks... She would be my number 1 pick to pop. If i were Olivia Kersteder, I'd keep an eye out 🙂
There’s at least one woman in the European field that has put on a significant amount of bulk over the last 12-18months… used to consistently be on or outside the cut-line now being raved about as “really improved” and lauded for her performance in France…. it’s like folk aren’t even pretending any more… 😢
Alex Gazan tops the charts for me. Was at WZA and she looked natty. Then I was at west coast classic and she looked entirely different. Therefore, she gets my vote
Hilarious and very entertaining. I have always wondered about Kari Pearce 🤨. If we are to compare those females that regularly got accused of being natty, why not her? 🇺🇸 sweetheart perhaps?
Probably both are on peds, but if Kalyan was as know as Gui, he would be way higher in that list. If i had to choose one as the most likely i would choose Kalyan over Gui anytime. Gui's at least had been to the games since he was 17, Kalyan just appearead "out of nowhere" last years.
Tia is a former/ Olympic athlete, wouldn’t it be hard for her to use PEDs? (Actual question, I am not knowledgable on testing within the Olympics and how is compares to CrossFit).
You guys are insane, Chandler Smith undoubtedly uses, and thats most certainly not a compliment. He could walk onto a freakin open untested bodybuilding competition and noone would bat an eyelid. Its so obvious its laughable
Brent fikowki has been in the game so long. Slowly getting better and only slightly bigger and stronger after each year. How people voted pat over Brent blows my mind
Great video Hiller! I accidentally thumbed down this video while watching it on my phone. I gave you a thumbs up but my bad. Always love your content!❤
Pinheiro is a 41 year old female who's carrying more lean mass than elite male athletes who are at least a decade younger than she is. Not suspicious at all according to CrossFit.
Yet Hiller gets banned from The Open. The logic used by HQ 😂😂😂😂
Andreia has a legitimate IFFB women's physique. She's juiced to the fucking gills
I voted Haley as least and Tia as most. Haley’s years and years spent trying to gain strength is the most realistic feat among and CF athletes.
100% certainty PEDS being used check list:
1. Is it a competition? Check
2. Is money involved? Check
3. Does the competition involve any or all of the following (strength, endurance and/or speed)? Check
4. Are the competitors human? Check
Agreed 100% we need to stop being naive
As someone that knows this industry and has since I’ve been 14 years old going on 4 decades of experience in bodybuilding, elite fitness, and crossfit. It’s entire possible (not accusing) that the compounds that have the shorter half lives like a anavar,anadrol, winstrol, most orals (9 hours), tbol (16 hours), testosterone returns to baseline in a matter of 2-3 weeks running it as high as 600mg/wk are being used by many. So a lot of athletes absolutely “can” run these up until a few weeks of the competition and then just stop and test perfectly clear of anything. Personally I’d stay away from compounds like deca or EQ, but that’s a different story. Now, there is also the fact that while cosmetically and performance wise they look and perform superior that doesn’t mean they’ll succeed. You’ve got people that are unequivocally NOT on PED’s like a Leahy (hiller’s boy), or Colton Mertens (and others) and you can easily tell based upon their muscular development they are completely PED free, and athletes around the world can’t come close to their level of athleticism. Every single person on that list does NOT lead me to think they are actively, nor use enough compounds, to make a difference.
The out of nowhere athlete is where you can question. You can use steroids to raise your baseline for years and then entire the CrossFit world out of nowhere and be completely PED free and JACKED.
So it’s not a gaurantee you’ll succeed being on them, in fact it can make you slower as you’re attempting to move muscle you wouldn’t otherwise have it can have the opposite effect of what you planned for. Sure you’ll be strong, stronger than most, but that doesn’t always translate to success when your blood pressure is super high and your endurance drops because you’re not used to the increase in red blood cell and oxygen. Then you’ve got guys like Noah/Vellner/Fikowski that are a brick shit house sub 10% body fat they just have good genetics. But if you find the super vascular, grainy unhealthy skin, that is generally a decent “sign”…..the skin tells quite a story and I’m not even talking acne, just unhealthy red/brown tan grainy looking skin, just not a great look (fyi, Noah and others don’t have that skin, nor the sharp features except Brent, and that leads to me to believe he’s just your typical genetic freak athlete, very talented, world class athletes).
I’ll tell ya, some of these Brazilian athletes….my god Pinheiro. It’s just like ok, let’s try to be a little bit more discrete please. Some of the women, for sure, that are showing incredibly noticeable signs of androgenic effects (the voice and the facial skeletal features and shoulder upper pec chest region and thick block abs) ….. I’ve seen so many female bodybuilders I can pick it out in a crowd….that chick is on 5-10mg var, that chick is on NPP, clen, dianabol, test. It’s just so noticeable next to another elite athlete not on the same compounds. Danielle Brandon is interesting because she’s got the androgenic look, but she may just be a freak athlete with higher totals than normal. Physiologically women are the MOST adrogrenic on earth, meaning that SMALL amount of PED’s have DRAMATIC effects on females. She is an outlier, she might just be a freak with higher androgenic qualities because she has more testosterone thus more estrogen running through her…..but has also never won, so again, who knows.
Toomey, no, almost zero androgenic qualities in my opinion, she is a freak among freaks and natural. The other 3 below her and Haley is interesting because of the facial bone features.
That’s all i got to say about that. Ciao!
Chances are they're not natty. The demands on recovery alone at such an elite level point to PED usage.
☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼 THIS
chances like 99%
💯 agree
Are these athletes ever tested before the games? Are they ever tested at all?
I do crossfit 60 to 90 minutes, 4 times a week. My nutrition and supplements are top notch. There is 0 chance in hell a) i could work out multiple times per day b) compete in multiple events per day and have a chance to recover or even workout everyday as these people claim and not be on PEDs. And before i reach the "top gene pool" argument - fuck that. Everyone in my gym that competes on somewhat reasonable level is minimum on testosterone and it goes on from there.
Misspelling of likely at 7:59 to me is as a just-at parallel squat is to you…😁😁 Awesome video!!
And “received”
No. Pat Velner is “The Haley Adams” of those least likely to not have used. Lolol! 😊
1:09 This would be an extremely long video if you did natty or nots on Masters athletes.
I would watch every minute of that 😂 😂
1000%
Natty or not, weve established the testing protocol is designed to basically be beatable.
Pretty easy to beat if they’ve done any research and I’d say they have
there is no way that Tia is natty
She looked more natural than she did 2 years ago. She looked jacked in years passed.
What does natty mean?
Yea but once you’re not natty you can never go back. Ahem Ricky
What does natty mean?
Probably got advised to not juice like an animal while pregnant@@abalogh87
Did I place Victor Hoffer in with the women, Maybe... Did I do it as a joke. Yup
He’s very pretty
oh well
The spartan theme got me lol
😂😂"gotta stir the pot,"😂😂need that at a T-shirt Andrew😊❤
Hot take… Brooke’s book was fuckin pointless. I read it and found nothing interesting great you came back from an injury wtf
Brooke Wells is achingly dull as a personality. I have no idea how she was able to come up with enough content for her ghost writer to complete a book.
Not a hot take. Completely agree
That book was absolute garbage, coming from someone who pre-ordered and was excited to read it since I dislocated my own elbow some years back. The writing was poor and the whole story was her WHINING about flying around to the nations top surgeons and physical therapists and recovering in freaking Malibu
This ain't a hot take my dude
Apparently it is because the whole fucking community was praising her book as a monument of literature
bed bound after retweaking my back on devils press. been refreshing a lot lol. YESSS!!!!
this made me want to watch The Redeemed and the Dominant: Fittest on Earth doc again thanks andrew for the great content!!!
Great work. Love the balance
"Hearts On Fire" top 10 scene in film history.
The Rocky IV Training montage is timeless
Def like 3 or 4 songs from it on my gym playlist 😂
Same here
Quote of the year: ‚she is older than ever…‘! (A. Hiller).
You got me at "half closed eye" lol thank you for that.... as always, great content.
Amazed Emma Lawson didn’t make the most likely list her shoulders and traps are super impressive (not saying I thinks she’s on) crazy not even 3 people thought of her.
It's probably because she's not overly vascular and shredded. She's lean but not too over the top.
She just looks like a normal girl who trains weightlifting and gymnastics
@@mikasd9 yeah but I feel like the argument can be said about a lot of the girls, I just think her upper body physique is pumped
I think because she's so young, her parents would likely have had to be involved. Not impossible, but a little less suspect.
All 80 are doping in one way or another. Games levels CrossFit training takes a toll on your body and peds are for sure used in recovery. Change my mind.
Yeah your most likely right these people are not some sort of super human, they are something, If someone believes they are 100% natural they better go find the gold at the end of a rainbow
If one of them is using, they all are, the potential loss from not cheating, game theory wise, means they all are
Agree 100%
Request of my not crossfitter boyfriend: please add pictures off the athletes
❤ your channel
I happen to watch some of the earlier CrossFit documentaries this week and the changes in Tia were crazy……
How is Ariel not the top vote getter?!?!
Dude keeps calling her "Adriana". It's Andreia😂
We need to make this video blow up for all the work put into it. Thank you for this!!
No one cares just perform
Ohhhh this looks fun!
PAT VELLNER? Bahahahahaha! Look I love the dude, but he's HUGE compared to his first couple of seasons, when he was in his 20's and already one of the fittest people on Earth. And does anyone know who Haley Adams trainer usually trains???
Moviestars
And training for many years makes you bigger! He ain't gonna stay the same size and shape is he
Haha very entertaining and great honey potting strategy…. Love watching Andrew’s growing mastery of content creator space … very impressive
Its crazy how no one ever mentions Chandler. Guy is jacked out of his mind.
Seeing this pop up, I knew it was going to be juicy 🤣
TRT has become so widely accepted and normalized that athletes that are taking it to keep their numbers at the high end of normal don't think they're doping.
Amazing!! I’m assuming.
Amazing and fun video!!
Bro I heard a long time ago you were going to do a natty or not on mat Fraser where’s it at?
“Likely”
“Received”
Thanks for the spreadsheet work!
What‘s your top ten list?
Skin is looking good Hiller! You been moisturizing?
Love your humor Andrew.
I’m either voting for Andreia Toomey or Tia-Clair Pinheiro
Second! Any bats?
This is the video we have all been waiting for
yeah i forgot about pinheiros tbh, but shes should be top of the women list
Jason Khalipa, he still competes right? lol
Alex Gazan is my favorite natty crossfiter.
Only 1 vote for Ivan using? Wow
In Olympic history, we know wassup with the Soviet athletes 😅
I was with the top 4 of the Least Likely Men list at the WCC Semis after their final event, since I was a drug test chaperone for one of the qualifying men and had to stay with them for a good hour. From what I saw (in my personal opinion, and I've been on TRT for a few years and seen some real juice monkeys at some local comps) their physique and attitudes definitely have me believing they are natty for sure.
I think all 80 are doing something.
Would be nice if there were more photos when you name these people, because new people to crossfit such as myself have no idea what you're trying to reference
Arielle's head and neck screams 🧃💉💊 you cant look at Gazan and tell me she's natty cmon man
10:18 😂😂😂😂
Pinheiro didn't win because not as many people know here compared to toomey
As a steroid using gym goer, im happy to see people becoming more aware of PED usage and not just ignorantly believing that all of these athletes are natural despite it being pretty obvious that some are using gear
Need more pics
Tia is listed more frequently than Pinheiro simply due to name recognition. Also, a histogram is a better means to visualize a set of data like this.
Any sports which involves money, broadcasting, exposure will have PED's involved; There is no way you can compete at that level being natty.
In sports no matter what the sport is, if you're making a living outta it, the chances that you're natty are almost big ass ZERO, on the other hand, if youre just an amateur yes, you could be natural!
I am surprised to not see Hattie Kanyo on the list after her performance at Semis. All the commentators surprised reactions gave me Nicholas Joyal flashbacks...
She would be my number 1 pick to pop. If i were Olivia Kersteder, I'd keep an eye out 🙂
There’s at least one woman in the European field that has put on a significant amount of bulk over the last 12-18months… used to consistently be on or outside the cut-line now being raved about as “really improved” and lauded for her performance in France…. it’s like folk aren’t even pretending any more… 😢
"Least likely to use PEDs" should not be even included in video imho. XD
You wrote “Men” in blue and “Woman” in pink? How dare you!? 😂😂😂
Alex Gazan tops the charts for me. Was at WZA and she looked natty. Then I was at west coast classic and she looked entirely different. Therefore, she gets my vote
Hilarious and very entertaining. I have always wondered about Kari Pearce 🤨. If we are to compare those females that regularly got accused of being natty, why not her? 🇺🇸 sweetheart perhaps?
Juiced to the gills, no doubt.
Ricky Garard and Justin Medeiros we’re spelled wrong but it doesn’t matter.
Have you called out Dave Castro to a boxing match yet? No? Obviously that is why nobody will ever remember your name. Oh Well!
Can I pick Brooke Ence?
I before E, except after C, HILLER!!!!!
This voting went very much like our voting went in South Africa 😂
‘Likley’ => “Likely”; “Recieved” => “Received”
Tia is on one of the best PED cycles imaginable
Probably both are on peds, but if Kalyan was as know as Gui, he would be way higher in that list. If i had to choose one as the most likely i would choose Kalyan over Gui anytime. Gui's at least had been to the games since he was 17, Kalyan just appearead "out of nowhere" last years.
Just games every event. He plays the rules to his advantage
Def guessing Haley Adam’s for least likely, it’s a no brainer
Nuts and seeds. No sugar. Paleo. ✅
Tia is a former/ Olympic athlete, wouldn’t it be hard for her to use PEDs? (Actual question, I am not knowledgable on testing within the Olympics and how is compares to CrossFit).
Mate she competed in weightlifting, a sport that's so riddled with PED use that the IOC have threatened to kick them out of the Olympics.
Grace Walton, Tia Clair and Ricky ranked high!? Do you guys know how much drugs cost in Australia?
It's crazy how distorted everything is to the point it's actually an INSULT if people think you are natty. 😅
Likely* and received* spelt incorrectly, in case that matters
I'm going with not before watching the video.
Dommit’s traps don't look natty
Two people voted for Pinheiro as "least likely"! Hopefully just trolls
I pray to God everyday to be fitter than everyone else. #RichFroningMethod
Vellner was my first pick for Most Likely to have used. No way he's natty.
Do people really think that any of these people are clean?
You guys are insane, Chandler Smith undoubtedly uses, and thats most certainly not a compliment. He could walk onto a freakin open untested bodybuilding competition and noone would bat an eyelid. Its so obvious its laughable
I still think Dave Castro needs to be tested
I bet 90% of them have used at some point in their life.
what are these votes even based on?? Who people THINK are natty/not with no basis?
Ruan is SA Semis winner
Brent fikowki has been in the game so long. Slowly getting better and only slightly bigger and stronger after each year. How people voted pat over Brent blows my mind
🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇
Alex Gazan is super nice in person. But, I have never seen a woman as thick in muscle as she is. More so than some guys with decent muscle.
Just ironic a Russian and former user as least likely.....I don't disagree, just ironic
Am I the only one who counts his capillary refill every time hiller touches his pecs
Is there any natty in the games?
no one is natty these days. At least no one of those lists
Great video Hiller! I accidentally thumbed down this video while watching it on my phone. I gave you a thumbs up but my bad. Always love your content!❤
CrossFit games athletes natty or not. LMAO. That's like doing a natty or not on liverking