I absolutely value your opinions. When you're this hard on a product you wanted to like so badly, and that you got for free, it makes me confident that your _positive_ reviews of products are valid as well. Thanks.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 yea i agree, I personally wouldn't recommend it for anyone, except if you like FBT for VRC. Other than that, even the Quest 3 is outperforming it by miles.
EVERYTHING you have EVER heard about deckard comes from a single weebly source. And that weeb has never predicted ANYTHING accuratly, with the exception of Quest 3, for which info he paid for. Deckard was a native Quest Steam Link app all along.
@@SINfromPL the name could just be shorthand for something like Deck AR - Daemon or some such as has been pointed out. Bradly mostly pulled this out of his rear end based on some code diving. It's possible an HMD never existed.
Just got it in the mail today, and literally everything you said in your review was spot on. Additionally, It made me experience BAD VR sickness for the first time in my life. I felt sick after 5 minutes of use, I had to rip the headset off. Oh and that recording of the fan? It's akin to a hairdryer behind your head at 10% volume. It's awful. I'm so bummed. It feels and looks like a solid product, but literally everywhere you look its "Report back to us here for support" and after years of waiting on a pipe dream, this thing sure did wake me up to reality. I'm so bummed, I may give it a proper few tries, tweak my room, play with my routers and mirrors etc. and see if I can salvage this thing.. maybe even just for certain games? Who knows.. very disappointing.
In Australia the Index, available only on Amazon, costs AU$2333 full kit, while the Quest 3 (512GB) costs AU$1049. And that doesn't even consider the Nofio.
Let me ask you....did you do the Firmware update in the Nofio program? I had exactly what you described as a blurry vision before the update. After the update my games work and look like a charm
Having tried the Quest 3, I don't really think people are right in acting like the Q3 makes the Valve Index so outdated or whatever. Sure the resolution with Q3 is better but the FOV, audio, and mic are still noticeably worse, there's no finger-tracking, the 3D effect is less pronounced with the Q3 than the Index, the Q3 colors all look washed out and gray, and the headset is very dim. I haven't tried them both side-by-side to confirm but I think the Index is better on all of those things. Oh, not to mention the light leakage under the bottom of the Q3. Not a huge issue but I can see it being an immersion problem for some people considering Q3 needs lights on to work and Index tracking works fine in a pretty dark room. I think people put too much value on resolution. When I'm in the Valve Index in a fast-paced game I don't really notice the fact the resolution is lower unless I stop playing for a second and just stare at things, which I don't do in the course of normal gameplay. The Q3 FOV is such a noticeable problem though. When I'm in the Valve Index I feel like I'm in a different world, but when I'm in the Q3 I feel like I'm just wearing a sophisticated pair of 3D goggles or something. The small Q3 FOV makes it feel like I'm looking at the virtual world through a pair of binoculars or something... it's bad. The main advantage the Q3 has over other headsets is the fairly extensive library of Meta exclusive games, not the quality of the headset itself (which honestly isn't that great).
Ah man that's unfortunate, but very reasonable. In this day and age, we just want products that are basically plug and play. This is why I haven't been in VR in so long, because the setup in the past was just too much for me. This is why the Quest products seems perfect for any normal Joe Blow. I've always been a console gamer because of that.
I 100% agree with you. I know they haven't confirmed if this can be used the the Bigscreen Beyond but they have entertained the idea. Hopefully they get the firmware/software fixed and then see if they can get it working with the Beyond. This made me hopeful for the beyond, I have an Index and a quest 2 and I still use my Index more. I'm weary upgrading to a Beyond if it isn't wireless. If they get this working with the Beyond I'd order one today.
If they can't deliver high quality video image on the Index, there is no way they can use their technology for the bigscreen beyond; the higher resolution requires much more (wireless) bandwidth and processing power.
Got same issues, quality is significantly lower than with a cable, I think USB driver might be an issue or cables quality, as cables are quite long and signal loss should be significant there..
Yep can confirm, I have used my nofio adapter for a few hours and I have the same image quality issues. It's actually quite bad, you are not exaggerating in the video. I must say I'm disappointed, I was one of the kickstarter backers and had to wait over a year, and then just to discover this bad of image quality. I really hope this can be fixed somehow with software updates, otherwise this product is not recommendable at all...
Brother, good talk and thank you for this. Wanted an Index but was skeptical of its late tech, you highlighted that and I changed my mind on wanting it. Good video
If the issues are solved I would still consider this. I love my index and don't find it outdated at all. It's still the only headset I want to use and even thinking about getting another one because honestly there is no other headset out there right now that I really want because I don't want to lose my steamvr tracking and downgrade to inside out. Been there tried that and hated it.
I went from outside in tracking to inside out, and I feel it's an upgrade overall. Outside in also has blind spots, but they're specific to the room. Inside out has blind spots, but they're consistent relative to you. I feel that's an improvement. And that's just with the controller. The headset itself no blind spot. Since it's tracking itself. I used to be annoyed when the trackers would lose my controllers when I put them just out of their view like under a desk or crouching just below their field of view. Though I do really miss being able to use bows in VR. Well, I still can, but I can't draw the string too far behind me anymore. I do hope to be able to get either the Quest Pro controllers or a revision of them later on that fixes this problem. Those controllers are basically perfect.
For me personally its a no go. Ive hated all inside out tracked headsets i have tried i just cant stand them. I will hold on to my index with the for me clearly superior tracking for as long as i can until self tracked controllers and body trackers becommes more common. Sadly i dont hear great things about the new vive trackers and using quest pro controllers adds a extra layer of steps to get working . I just want a uppgraded index basically and i will be happy. @@LARVideos
so im a "weeb" just because i play vrchat? I play lots of different games and yes switching to inside out tracking is a downgrade for me. Ive tried several of them and they all suck compared to lighthouse tracking. @@SINfromPL
I also have a Nofio and I have the same problem of poor quality... but the thing I don't understand is... why does every youtuber who got the chance to have the Kickstarter say it's perfect!? in all the videos I saw, they said the quality was pretty much the same and that there were OCCASIONALLY some quality drops... I don't understand, does that mean their final product is worse than the Kickstarter???😒
They prob have to sign something to not really say bad things for the first weeks. See it all the time with new products . Same was for quest3 first is was all perfect 3 weeks later the meh's came in also with the straps with battery's first good then bad.
Very helpful review. I received my kickstarter unit a while ago but given the poor reviews I've been wary of taking my Index apart in order to try it out. Think I'll give it a miss since I'm lucky to have a Quest3 as an alternative. Totally agree about the bigscreen beyond being their obvious pivot but who on earth is going to take a punt on Nofio as a company after such a poor first product?
the beyond is a good choice and maybe, if valve releases the new and improved "index" lol maybe on that one to but ya, at this point, with all the advancements in VR headsets, it's lost on me to try to develop something like this for a headset that's clearly showing it's age.. lol
This product was dead from day 1 due to price. If it were wigig 2 and pushing the envelope with uncompressed video I could understand the price. But regular wifi 6 is nothing special, this adapter costs as much as a quest 3 which literally does all the same stuff plus processing, display, controller, ect. It's rediculous. This product needed to be like $200.
The way I always saw the Valve Index was: if it just had eye tracking it would be the ultimate streamer headset. Higher image quality and refresh rate? not great if you're trying to stream (especially as a vtuber as it'll eat into any sort of tracked avatar's rendering) It's speaker and sound quality make it perfect for that. It's wider than average FOV (that isn't a pimax) perfect for racing sims. I wouldn't say it's "outdated" outside of it's use of LCD, it's otherwise a very good niche product. It'd be like saying 1080p is outdated when you're trying to target a 2060. VR already hits a lot of GPU and CPU limits in semi-VR games (games built for desktop but have VR modes), so personally, for me, the index is still that perfect sweet spot in that area. Heck, If I could turn my Vive Pro Eye down to 80hz, I would, because then I'd get perfect frame rate timings.
If they do it's going to have a big heavy compute unit you'll have to wear on your body somewhere. The only reason the beyond is so small is because they removed all the extra stuff. It has to go somewhere.
The reason why I am not going to get the deckard is because it is said to have inside out tracking and if I wanted that I would just stick to the quest one of the reasons why I want an index is to have better tracking with the base stations if the deckard has that (it probably won’t) I will get the deckard and the blueprint for the controllers still have a ring on the top and with the quest 2 I hate the tracking rings I don’t really care about image quality because I play gorilla tag and the index is just a great vr Thank you for reading
Idk, the index is still the best 1 size fits most all option If you want good pcvr with some nice feature flexibility. Want trackers? Add them on easy. Want more base stations? Plug them in! Want diffrent controllers? Get them. Nothing is really locked down. My only reason to change headsets is for a wider IPD. I need a little wider one. But what's there is good enough for now.
it was the best overall for awhile but now its lacking in terms of lenses, resolution, weight and even fov. Spending $450 to cut the cable but also introduce more issues and weight, is pretty unreasonable.
This is why i love my index still after so many years and dont consider any other headset. Actually thinking about buying another one unless valve shows something new soon
@@Gamingwithmatteo311worked hard? You weren't there. So far EVERYONE is having issues, issues the team has NEVER had. But yeah, you had to be stupid and/or CZcamsr to actually get this when Quest 2 already existed.
Options: 1. Buy a Nofio ireless Now or 2. wait for a new Valve Index that may or may never release. I'm picking Option 1 because who the hell knows when the Valve Index 2 is coming.
its not option 1 or 2 though. Spend $450 on a nofio and have a meh experience or get a pico 4, quest 2 for less much less. There's also the option of Pimax Crystal or Quest 3 and both include new functionality.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Or you know buy a wireless adapter for a headset I already have instead of buying a headset that I have to learn a whole new ecosystem for. Doesn't matter what costs less, it matters what I have working now. I have An Valve Index and I have Steam, I have VR games on Steam, I'm not about to re-purchase games for a new system, screw that. Nofio wireless it is.
@thelaughingmanofficial the eco system remains the same even if you get Pico, pimax, big screen and yes a quest. All work with stream vr. Sure spend 500 to add wireless to the index and lower the quality, or spend 500 or less on something like Pico or quest get wireless, better image quality and mobile options
MATTEO, KUDOS TO YOU ONCE AGAIN! Few weeks have passed, and seems like no other tubers have made any video about nofio. Especially those who sold out themselves and played in their commercial like bradley and thrillseeker should inform their audience about current state, after recommending it to everyone about a year ago.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 in a single tweet, long buried by his obsession with everything vrchat. he should have made a video, and had multiple occassions to cover the topic, but he just buries his head in the sand and act like nothing has happened. they do not have any integrity.
I own a index a quest 2 and 3 and sadly after putting on my quest 3 I don't think I'll be switching back to my index at most I'll be pairing my knuckle controllers with my quest 3 and be using WiFi 6e tho I'd someone made a pancake lens mod for the index id be using it all the time I was really looking forward to this wireless adapter but now I'm just disappointed to hear how bad it turned out
If I gave up on a VR device after it not working correctly on delivery, I probably wouldn't love VR. I remember having issues with the prototype rift and even the HTC Vive. This is a new area of tech that is still in its infancy. There are going to be hiccups, especially with super low latency high def video. If we all waited for tech to mature, we all would be waiting indefinitely. I think in this case, there are pros and cons. If you can deal with the issues to get a satisfactory experience, I would say go for it. It's kind of like playing a modded game. You know things are going to break eventually, espeacially if it's a new mod. But the overall experience might be worth a few hiccups. For me, it's worth it.
As a late kickstarter backer, i'd say save your money. Everybody that's getting one seems to be experiencing some horrific issues and we're all getting our devices extremely late.
@@PatrickRatman ha ha I am an early bird kickstarter backer lol. Issues don't bother me like you expect that they would. I expect them at this point. I look forward to them.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 It was the only option for the index as of Oct of 2022 so there's that. As far as I know, without looking into it at all, it's still the only option. Sure, there might be issues. But if we all waited for the next best thing, we would be waiting indefinitely. You saying it's not a great option just means it's not a great option for you. It does not mean that it is not a great option for me. Your statement is entirely subjective, which is what I was pointing out in my original comment. Subjectively, it's worth it for me. Objectively, are there issues? yes. there are. Do I care? Well, I would be lying if I said that I didn't. But for me the risk is worth it and I have the disposable money to throw at it. I also buy/rent movies that have terrible reviews. I don't let people who have had a bad experience dictate my decisions. I'll let them temper my expectations but I wont let their experience cause me to miss out on my own experiences.
@@Matlauk Eh i mean fair enough. im def gonna mess with mine when i get it and im not one of the people really throwing a fit over it but at the same time its a bit of a bummer that its probably gonna suck when i first get it when ive been waiting for it for the last year now.
I don't know if you look at these comments but I had the same issue as you severe video compressions but I have figured that out open up the Base Station tighten down the Wi-Fi antenna cable inside was loose now I get perfect video and audio hardly no pixelization
Hey Matteo, thanks for sharing your review! Over the past two months, we haven't encountered any new bugs from the community. The team has been working hard and we've rolled out 5 new updates since the release, one of which being a major video quality improvement. We're committed to maintaining a regular release schedule to ensure our customers' experience is exactly where it should be! Thanks again for the feedback.
I actually hate facebook, and only have an interest in PC-VR. Looking to jump ship post-haste, even if less streamlined. Also fellow Quest owners, you know VR can be janky af
Are you still using the Index for PCVR or did you switch for another one ? I'm kinda stuck, I don't want a Quest 'cause the Quest 2 was just shit for me, I was going to buy a used Index but I'm scared about not being happy about buying it...
I've been experimenting with my quest pro and quest 3 a lot more on pcvr thse days. While I miss the mic and speakers on the index, you can't beat the pancake lens and resolution boost
If you're aiming for an HMD that you are ready to spare a fortune on - just go for the Bigscreen Beyond. Imo it'd be a great buy if you're looking for both comfort and SteamVR tethered experiences, despite the only problem being a cost of individual accessories (Controllers and base stations) Personally - rocking a Pico 4, but given you didn't like Q2, I feel like this wouldn't be the case for you either
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 kind of a dumb question. how do you have your base station mounted? the update for me was improvement at the 90hz range. Also mounted the base station on the wall. seems to help with the random artifacting (still happends just not nearly as often)
one could easily argue that VR is dead and dont bother waiting another 3-6 years for an already outdated product when the industry as a whole has been floundering in the wastes of its own making.
Why is your video the only one that talks bad about it ? Perhaps the device your received may be defected ? I just bought the valve again and a kat walk c2 but with the intention of getting the nofio with it bro. Is it that bad ?
Ill get use to the meta quest 3 lol, that cable drove me insane and that nofio is worth as much as the other vr headset I just got@@Gamingwithmatteo311
It doesn't make sense to create a product for an outdated headset, specially considering the existing bigscreen beyond, apple vision pro, and more headsets that will be released in 2024.
I feel that they're so late with it. I switched to Q2 from Volvo Index, and to Q3 when it came out. Index only had a few benefits compared to Quest, which are higher fov and better tracking, which helped with simulation games. Other than that Quest all the way baby. No tethered bs and better resolution.
I know this video is old but now the quest3 and psvr 2 has been released and offers all these features you mentioned in the video anyways,, valve will need to supersede these features or at least combine these if they want to charge close to the 1500 that’s predicted the headset will cost . I’d personally like to see a wider fov like the pimax is offering as well as having the features of the quest3 such as wireless and augmented reality experiences and psvr 2 foveated rendering - they will need to pull something big out of the bag above and beyond the current headsets if they are going to charge this much - maybe more games on the level of half life akyx or even better and maybe mobile gaming in the headset which is on a higher graphical fidelity that what the quest can currently offer - if they could do all that then they will be onto a winner .
@@paulnicolas172 what deckard? everything you have ever heard about it comes from single source who is addicted to vrchat and despite years of 'leaks' has never gotten anything right. deckard was steam link for quest all this time.
@@SINfromPL but how do you know for sure ? Are you just guessing or how can you substantiate that ? There were rumours concerning other headsets in the past and most materialised . Of course if your right this will be a major blow for pc vr I guess
@@paulnicolas172 what am i supposed to be sure about? about something valve has never announced, and everytime they "confirmed" working on VR was a question totally off the cuff on absolutetly unrelated to VR event? steam deck is their goldmine, there is literally zero sense working on VR; VR is hard, and valve is a tiny company that does not want to loose a single dollar on. they completly left VR space and relegated themselves to hosting games, once again. they don't do anything worthwhile, and you clinging on to idea of yet another obsolete VR headset shows that you've just been brainwashed all these years.
You have literally uploaded the first Nofio wireless VR review to CZcams. Congratulations. You are also a backer on kickstarter, so you are technically beta testing the product prior to full release. This is not a 100% finished product yet. The software needs updating which was LITERALLY released today. You're reviewing something too early, just for views. You're not giving it the respectable time to be the product it can be. The United States DOES have wireless bandwidth interference that was literally fixed in TODAY's (1/18/24) software patch to auto select the best channel for nofio. This is Linus Tech Tips fiasco all over again. You rush out a bad review and don't give the product the time it deserves. It's still not even sent out to all the backers on kickstarter yet, and you review it like it's a mass produced product. You literally mention they are working on the software yourself. Releasing a video like this can be detrimental to the future of a groundbreaking tech company like this. This could impact whether or not they decide to support the product down the road even at all, because your negative review casts shade on something they have been forthright in communicating to all backers on discord. In turn, you are potentially costing them sales and future-proofing them as a company to continue supporting the product or even making one for BSB as you so sorely desire them to. I hope you consider the ramifications of a video released so soon. They should have NDA'd it until they knew it was ready. Maybe that's bad planning on their part.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 I 100% did watch it and @5:33 you clearly have monetization in mind when you're diverting viewers to getting a quest which you just by chance have discount referral codes for to a 3rd party accessory store. Can't wait to see LTT and Thrillseeker post honest reviews after giving it time.
I've tested the update. Image quality is still beyond exactable and it introduces more pixilation and jitter plus I can feel the latency but like I said even if it was perfect quality $450 and the other issues I mentioned make it a no go
Appreciate this vid so much. Originally wanted this but walked away when I saw the delivery dates and price. Was afraid it would end up this way and I'd have been miserable if I received it like that. Keep up the amazing work!
Seems like the same day/the day after you posted this video nofio released a software update that fixed region specific channel issues and WiFi performance. Any news on how this improved it (or didn't) for you?
meat riding? it's trash. and you are even thraser pretending that ceiling straps are a solution, and that you never have any issues with the cord LMAO@@razervr7209
Even if it did work well with firmware update it's not that compelling anymore due to the low res of the index. The only games I have played on the Index since getting a Q3 are Toss! and Synth Riders, due to superior lighthouse tracking and minimalistic graphics in those games. I'm not happy with latency of pcvr on quest but it's hard to go back to Index after seeing the pancake clarity and higher res visuals. They're just way too late to market with this
Well that's not the news about Nofio I wanted to hear, but having image quality that is bad is unacceptable. Amplifying the Index's weakness is not what I wanted. I wanted 120hz wireless at native res. But for almost the price of a new HMD and the image quality is not there I can't.
I'd wait for a content creator to do a thorough review before you jump to conclusions based on this one. They didn't even bother reviewing after the update fixed all of the issues that was released the same exact day they posted this.
oh content creator? like someone who got sponsored to "try" it a year ago? the same people who are nowhere to be found with ANY video on the subject?@@xScarx Nofio is trash and they have never ever legitimized themselves. Their whole marketing is cringe, and showcasing people who has never used VR claiming this product is "amazing"
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 ok so how many do you think they have sold???? How come people are crazy about this product? The only customers I can think of are arcades.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 and actually it's pretty common that a product is suddenly sold out if heavy flaws are identified and a delivery cannot be promised
You know what sells the Nofio and why I'm willing to wait for updates that will fix the issues? I don't want a Facebook headset. I don't want to support a terrible company. I don't want a headset that might spy on me. I don't want to buy software whos revenue will go towards a company that has multiple times shown a desire to create a monopoly in the VR space. You do something bad every time you recommend Quests, and don't mention all these things.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311it would be irony of century if someone hating "Meta monopoly" would be fine with supporting Chinese government through pico and pimax But it wouldn't surprise me - these kids hate Facebook more than they like vr. It's always nonsense words coming from them.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Pico doesn't seem like a stable company, BSB can't be shared, HTC lost me as a customer long ago and everything Pimax is way more expensive than a Nofio, doubly so if I actually wanted to go high end. Honestly I think this video was premature. Nofio is actively working on pushing out updates and doing testing with end users all over the place. Oh, and you already can clip the Nofio battery somewhere besides your headset, they literally sold straps just for that purpose, so kind of a moot suggestion there.
it's not premature because I discuss that even if it was perfect which it will never be no matter what software upgrades they add, it's way too expensive. Pico not being stable means nothing because indexes are already out of warranty. HTC losing you as a customer is a you only thing. Pimax is indeed expensive but you get upgraded tech instead of paying an arm and a leg to semi update old tech. Finally when it comes to the battery, sure you CAN clip it to your waist but they don't provide a cable or mount for that and that comment was specific to the big screen beyond. @@Abestar909
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 It was $400 to back the Nofio, that's about $400-$1000 dollars less than the alternatives you are suggesting and since, as you are aware, the Index has a lot going for it that's not "way too expensive". Pico going out of business would have the same effect but worse than an Index being out of warranty considering Valve has repeatedly shown themselves willing to replace parts out of warranty and replacement parts are far more common for Indexes vs the far, far more rare Picos. Considering HTC losing me was based on their business practices and not something entirely specific to me, it's not a "me only" thing. Pimax - it's okay with you to spend around $1,500 for a better resolution headset but it's an "arm and a leg" to spend $400 on a *dedicated* wifi 6 connection for a tried and true headset from a company people actually trust? Please guy. And you are complaining about them not supplying a longer cable for the battery, seriously? It's just a flipping USB C cable dude. Use one of the no doubt dozen you have and put it in a pocket, not rocket science. I dunno if this is just you purposely trying to be obtuse for some unknown reason or if you are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator but good lord this is some bad advice/commentary.
Hi, I do understand you are already looking at the product with the idea in mind that "The valve index is dead", but for a lot of people daily driving it, it is not Please also concider you probalby got this unit by backing the kickstarter, or having it sent by nofio themself, in the first case, remember you are getting a kickstarter product, it can be a beta product, or a finished one, in the case of the nofio, it's a product with a very active staff team, and fixing every bug they can, they even release a software update tooday, in the second case, remember that you got it for free (so yeah they sent it to you for free) I know your title is probably just for clickbait as you are the first do to a video about the production nofio ...
VR in itself is more or less dead at this point. No one is making games for it and the only games out as of now that are half decent are Pavlov and Blade & Sorcery
@Gamingwithmatteo311 what I mean is that why would anyone want to use their old Index and pay money on top to play wireless VR? Unless you only have an Index still. You say at the start of the video that you always wanted to play your Index wireless. But you have Quest 3 with better visuals and that can do wireless PC VR no problem. So kind of pointless spending money to make the old Index wireless.
The SteamVR Oculus app kinda *murdered* a lot of products like this. Love or hate the quest, it's just too *easy to use*. I *hate* leaving my knuckles behind. I'd rather revisit using a vive-tracker than go this route to keep SteamVR tracking. I just hope someone releases a (modern) native wireless VR headset with lighthouse support.
I can see why this product wouldn't worth it the price is too high, for me I would rather have a mobile headset than lowering that quality of a good headset, being limited by battery charge and paying $400 when the wire is NOT that big of a deal in the first place
... yeah still not buying into anything facebook/meta puts out. I hate how much of a stranglehold they have over vr, and I still cant shake the feeling its because valve refuses to do much of anything. they might not be able to count to 3 with their software, but they cant even count to 2 with their hardware. its maddening. I did put in a pre-order for a nofio a long while ago (not a kickstarter, but after it. well before any reviews). its already shipped. on a boat somewhere. to me the money is gone, so whatever. There are reports new firmware works better, if I find that to be the case then great! If not... I still like using my index, and will continue to do so even if wired if my nofio experience is garbage. it might be older, but its still a wonderful headset overall. I would like to upgrade to a bigscreen beyond... but to me the index is still fine enough for my needs I'd rather wait on whatever valve does next. IF they do anything next. And if not? Ehhhh....
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 pico 4 doesnt use steamvr tracking. pimax crystal is 4x the cost of the pico, even more to add steamvr tracking why should I buy a new headset, when my index is still doing fine? as I said, the money is already gone. if it (the nofio) works it works, if it doesnt it doesnt. I'm perfectly happy to continue to use my index - even wired - until valve does something, IF they do something.
Matteo, I'd like to publicly apologize for all negative comments that I have posted here towards you, your video, and otherwise. I, and many others, have blindly white-knighted for Nofio, defending them needlessly. I won't justify our actions, but I believe we all were simply keeping our hopes high. We shouldn't have lambasted you for your opinion, to which we know to be correct now after many more have received there device. I am by no means a mascot for the Nofio backer community but I hope you take my apology as the apology for everyone else here that did the same, if they don't retract their statements as well. I will leave my comments as-is, only to further show my assinine behavior and not censor it to the public. Please accept my apology. Thank you for providing fair and honest feedback that we should have listened to in the beginning. You have me as a subscriber once again.
Bro , Ure complaining about an beta product it’s not fully done yet the biggest reason of them sending them out is because the community wanted it even it’s not finished… stop crying around wannabe VR tuber….
We have been waiting for the Deckard for years, after many "It will be the next Oculus Connect" and "it's just around the corner!". The Deckard is just as likely to show up 5 years from now as it is tomorrow.
@@andrasbonitz3491 I Doubt that. I see way too many things being up updated from within steam. Even the quest steam link is an indication they are getting ready. My guess is around the time Apple comes out with their very expensive, useless headset, Valve will pounce.
@@paulbellino5330 steam link for quest is literally the deckard. touch some grass. everything you heard about deckard comes from a single source, and they did not even see quest app coming. get effin real.
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it will instantly make you cool@@ivana6141
I absolutely value your opinions. When you're this hard on a product you wanted to like so badly, and that you got for free, it makes me confident that your _positive_ reviews of products are valid as well. Thanks.
everybody is always talking about the Deckard, but we have 0 evidence of when it will release. It could be in 6 months, could also be in 3 years.
Very true. At the same time it's hard to recommend $450 on this
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 yea i agree, I personally wouldn't recommend it for anyone, except if you like FBT for VRC.
Other than that, even the Quest 3 is outperforming it by miles.
EVERYTHING you have EVER heard about deckard comes from a single weebly source. And that weeb has never predicted ANYTHING accuratly, with the exception of Quest 3, for which info he paid for.
Deckard was a native Quest Steam Link app all along.
@@SINfromPL Or the steam deck, with the quest steam link, it could be a banger 👀
@@SINfromPL the name could just be shorthand for something like Deck AR - Daemon or some such as has been pointed out. Bradly mostly pulled this out of his rear end based on some code diving. It's possible an HMD never existed.
Just got it in the mail today, and literally everything you said in your review was spot on. Additionally, It made me experience BAD VR sickness for the first time in my life. I felt sick after 5 minutes of use, I had to rip the headset off.
Oh and that recording of the fan? It's akin to a hairdryer behind your head at 10% volume. It's awful. I'm so bummed. It feels and looks like a solid product, but literally everywhere you look its "Report back to us here for support" and after years of waiting on a pipe dream, this thing sure did wake me up to reality.
I'm so bummed, I may give it a proper few tries, tweak my room, play with my routers and mirrors etc. and see if I can salvage this thing.. maybe even just for certain games? Who knows.. very disappointing.
I got spoiled by going wireless with my quest 2 and 3, just turn on my PC and quest, start up virtual desktop and click on the game app and play!
In Australia the Index, available only on Amazon, costs AU$2333 full kit, while the Quest 3 (512GB) costs AU$1049. And that doesn't even consider the Nofio.
Let me ask you....did you do the Firmware update in the Nofio program?
I had exactly what you described as a blurry vision before the update.
After the update my games work and look like a charm
Notice how he liked every comment apart from the ones that don't agree with his viewpoint.
Exactly
I did try the firmware update, it's not any better
I like any comment that actually adds to the conversation
Never fixed my issue still a blurry mess
I am waiting for Valve's next headset. Hopefully Daddy Gabe can deliver a standalone feature.
As soon as i saw the the price....i was like nope....300 is my max
I was closed to do the kickstarter, but then the price was roo much , at 250 I’ll buy it
You were CLOSE TO DOING the Kickstarter? I had to reread this several times to understand you.
Having tried the Quest 3, I don't really think people are right in acting like the Q3 makes the Valve Index so outdated or whatever. Sure the resolution with Q3 is better but the FOV, audio, and mic are still noticeably worse, there's no finger-tracking, the 3D effect is less pronounced with the Q3 than the Index, the Q3 colors all look washed out and gray, and the headset is very dim. I haven't tried them both side-by-side to confirm but I think the Index is better on all of those things.
Oh, not to mention the light leakage under the bottom of the Q3. Not a huge issue but I can see it being an immersion problem for some people considering Q3 needs lights on to work and Index tracking works fine in a pretty dark room.
I think people put too much value on resolution. When I'm in the Valve Index in a fast-paced game I don't really notice the fact the resolution is lower unless I stop playing for a second and just stare at things, which I don't do in the course of normal gameplay.
The Q3 FOV is such a noticeable problem though. When I'm in the Valve Index I feel like I'm in a different world, but when I'm in the Q3 I feel like I'm just wearing a sophisticated pair of 3D goggles or something. The small Q3 FOV makes it feel like I'm looking at the virtual world through a pair of binoculars or something... it's bad.
The main advantage the Q3 has over other headsets is the fairly extensive library of Meta exclusive games, not the quality of the headset itself (which honestly isn't that great).
You're brainwashed if you don't think Index is outdated lmao!
Ah man that's unfortunate, but very reasonable. In this day and age, we just want products that are basically plug and play. This is why I haven't been in VR in so long, because the setup in the past was just too much for me. This is why the Quest products seems perfect for any normal Joe Blow. I've always been a console gamer because of that.
I 100% agree with you. I know they haven't confirmed if this can be used the the Bigscreen Beyond but they have entertained the idea. Hopefully they get the firmware/software fixed and then see if they can get it working with the Beyond. This made me hopeful for the beyond, I have an Index and a quest 2 and I still use my Index more. I'm weary upgrading to a Beyond if it isn't wireless. If they get this working with the Beyond I'd order one today.
That bigscreen beyond you need atleast a 3090 to run that beast properly
If they can't deliver high quality video image on the Index, there is no way they can use their technology for the bigscreen beyond; the higher resolution requires much more (wireless) bandwidth and processing power.
It's a software issue that needs resolving ATM.
Got same issues, quality is significantly lower than with a cable, I think USB driver might be an issue or cables quality, as cables are quite long and signal loss should be significant there..
Yep can confirm, I have used my nofio adapter for a few hours and I have the same image quality issues. It's actually quite bad, you are not exaggerating in the video. I must say I'm disappointed, I was one of the kickstarter backers and had to wait over a year, and then just to discover this bad of image quality. I really hope this can be fixed somehow with software updates, otherwise this product is not recommendable at all...
Brother, good talk and thank you for this. Wanted an Index but was skeptical of its late tech, you highlighted that and I changed my mind on wanting it. Good video
Glad to help
If the issues are solved I would still consider this. I love my index and don't find it outdated at all. It's still the only headset I want to use and even thinking about getting another one because honestly there is no other headset out there right now that I really want because I don't want to lose my steamvr tracking and downgrade to inside out. Been there tried that and hated it.
I love my index too very much
I went from outside in tracking to inside out, and I feel it's an upgrade overall. Outside in also has blind spots, but they're specific to the room. Inside out has blind spots, but they're consistent relative to you. I feel that's an improvement. And that's just with the controller. The headset itself no blind spot. Since it's tracking itself.
I used to be annoyed when the trackers would lose my controllers when I put them just out of their view like under a desk or crouching just below their field of view.
Though I do really miss being able to use bows in VR. Well, I still can, but I can't draw the string too far behind me anymore. I do hope to be able to get either the Quest Pro controllers or a revision of them later on that fixes this problem. Those controllers are basically perfect.
For me personally its a no go. Ive hated all inside out tracked headsets i have tried i just cant stand them. I will hold on to my index with the for me clearly superior tracking for as long as i can until self tracked controllers and body trackers becommes more common. Sadly i dont hear great things about the new vive trackers and using quest pro controllers adds a extra layer of steps to get working . I just want a uppgraded index basically and i will be happy. @@LARVideos
"downgrade"? You're vrchat weeb aren't you
so im a "weeb" just because i play vrchat? I play lots of different games and yes switching to inside out tracking is a downgrade for me. Ive tried several of them and they all suck compared to lighthouse tracking. @@SINfromPL
After Quest 3, I sold my index on ebay. Q3 makes for an awesome PCVR headset.
unfortunate topic but your honesty is always much appreciated!
I also have a Nofio and I have the same problem of poor quality... but the thing I don't understand is... why does every youtuber who got the chance to have the Kickstarter say it's perfect!? in all the videos I saw, they said the quality was pretty much the same and that there were OCCASIONALLY some quality drops... I don't understand, does that mean their final product is worse than the Kickstarter???😒
They prob have to sign something to not really say bad things for the first weeks. See it all the time with new products . Same was for quest3 first is was all perfect 3 weeks later the meh's came in also with the straps with battery's first good then bad.
yep got mine eventually and got to agree with you not good well built but make graphics worse so disappointed😪
Never watched you before but I appreciate this video. Saved me some money.
Very helpful review. I received my kickstarter unit a while ago but given the poor reviews I've been wary of taking my Index apart in order to try it out. Think I'll give it a miss since I'm lucky to have a Quest3 as an alternative. Totally agree about the bigscreen beyond being their obvious pivot but who on earth is going to take a punt on Nofio as a company after such a poor first product?
the beyond is a good choice and maybe, if valve releases the new and improved "index" lol maybe on that one to but ya, at this point, with all the advancements in VR headsets, it's lost on me to try to develop something like this for a headset that's clearly showing it's age.. lol
This product was dead from day 1 due to price. If it were wigig 2 and pushing the envelope with uncompressed video I could understand the price. But regular wifi 6 is nothing special, this adapter costs as much as a quest 3 which literally does all the same stuff plus processing, display, controller, ect. It's rediculous. This product needed to be like $200.
I'm an early backer and I'm STILL waiting for this shit to get here.
:( sorry to hear that
LOL!
The way I always saw the Valve Index was: if it just had eye tracking it would be the ultimate streamer headset. Higher image quality and refresh rate? not great if you're trying to stream (especially as a vtuber as it'll eat into any sort of tracked avatar's rendering)
It's speaker and sound quality make it perfect for that. It's wider than average FOV (that isn't a pimax) perfect for racing sims. I wouldn't say it's "outdated" outside of it's use of LCD, it's otherwise a very good niche product. It'd be like saying 1080p is outdated when you're trying to target a 2060.
VR already hits a lot of GPU and CPU limits in semi-VR games (games built for desktop but have VR modes), so personally, for me, the index is still that perfect sweet spot in that area. Heck, If I could turn my Vive Pro Eye down to 80hz, I would, because then I'd get perfect frame rate timings.
Hoping Valve pulls out a Beyond size HMD that's standalone with a great FOV.
If they do it's going to have a big heavy compute unit you'll have to wear on your body somewhere. The only reason the beyond is so small is because they removed all the extra stuff. It has to go somewhere.
@@Thezuule1 I'm 100% onboard with the puck idea of the battery and processing being at your belt, leaving behind a lightweight headset.
The reason why I am not going to get the deckard is because it is said to have inside out tracking and if I wanted that I would just stick to the quest one of the reasons why I want an index is to have better tracking with the base stations if the deckard has that (it probably won’t) I will get the deckard and the blueprint for the controllers still have a ring on the top and with the quest 2 I hate the tracking rings I don’t really care about image quality because I play gorilla tag and the index is just a great vr
Thank you for reading
Idk, the index is still the best 1 size fits most all option If you want good pcvr with some nice feature flexibility.
Want trackers? Add them on easy. Want more base stations? Plug them in! Want diffrent controllers? Get them. Nothing is really locked down.
My only reason to change headsets is for a wider IPD. I need a little wider one. But what's there is good enough for now.
it was the best overall for awhile but now its lacking in terms of lenses, resolution, weight and even fov. Spending $450 to cut the cable but also introduce more issues and weight, is pretty unreasonable.
This is why i love my index still after so many years and dont consider any other headset. Actually thinking about buying another one unless valve shows something new soon
Bud we know you're a vrchat weeb.
Why so much hate? Why do you care if someone plays vrchat?@@SINfromPL
@@awesomejimthethird why do you care if i care? The guy is a pure brainwashed weeb. Nobody else needs "trackers".
they sitting in the office laughing at you guys spending 400 on this 😂
Nah I believe they had amazing intentions but it took too long to market and its hard to get prices low enough when producing at a small scale.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311worked hard? You weren't there. So far EVERYONE is having issues, issues the team has NEVER had. But yeah, you had to be stupid and/or CZcamsr to actually get this when Quest 2 already existed.
@@SINfromPL go back and re-read what I wrote
Contrary to popular belief, A products quality does not correlate to its price or effort
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Amazing intentions was blown out the water when they decided to price it for 400 😂 they clearly laughing at you guys
Options:
1. Buy a Nofio ireless Now or
2. wait for a new Valve Index that may or may never release.
I'm picking Option 1 because who the hell knows when the Valve Index 2 is coming.
its not option 1 or 2 though.
Spend $450 on a nofio and have a meh experience or
get a pico 4, quest 2 for less much less.
There's also the option of Pimax Crystal or Quest 3 and both include new functionality.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Or you know buy a wireless adapter for a headset I already have instead of buying a headset that I have to learn a whole new ecosystem for. Doesn't matter what costs less, it matters what I have working now. I have An Valve Index and I have Steam, I have VR games on Steam, I'm not about to re-purchase games for a new system, screw that. Nofio wireless it is.
@thelaughingmanofficial the eco system remains the same even if you get Pico, pimax, big screen and yes a quest. All work with stream vr. Sure spend 500 to add wireless to the index and lower the quality, or spend 500 or less on something like Pico or quest get wireless, better image quality and mobile options
I am really considering getting an Valve Index, but yeah since there has been rumors about the next Valve headset, I will wait
For the company to say they dont get that issue where they are!? That alone made me write them off COMPLETELY
MATTEO, KUDOS TO YOU ONCE AGAIN! Few weeks have passed, and seems like no other tubers have made any video about nofio. Especially those who sold out themselves and played in their commercial like bradley and thrillseeker should inform their audience about current state, after recommending it to everyone about a year ago.
I'm pretty sure brad did mention the poor performance but I could be wrong
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 in a single tweet, long buried by his obsession with everything vrchat. he should have made a video, and had multiple occassions to cover the topic, but he just buries his head in the sand and act like nothing has happened. they do not have any integrity.
I own a index a quest 2 and 3 and sadly after putting on my quest 3 I don't think I'll be switching back to my index at most I'll be pairing my knuckle controllers with my quest 3 and be using WiFi 6e tho I'd someone made a pancake lens mod for the index id be using it all the time I was really looking forward to this wireless adapter but now I'm just disappointed to hear how bad it turned out
If I gave up on a VR device after it not working correctly on delivery, I probably wouldn't love VR. I remember having issues with the prototype rift and even the HTC Vive. This is a new area of tech that is still in its infancy. There are going to be hiccups, especially with super low latency high def video. If we all waited for tech to mature, we all would be waiting indefinitely. I think in this case, there are pros and cons. If you can deal with the issues to get a satisfactory experience, I would say go for it. It's kind of like playing a modded game. You know things are going to break eventually, espeacially if it's a new mod. But the overall experience might be worth a few hiccups. For me, it's worth it.
As a late kickstarter backer, i'd say save your money. Everybody that's getting one seems to be experiencing some horrific issues and we're all getting our devices extremely late.
The problem is even if the issued are fixed its not a great option.
@@PatrickRatman ha ha I am an early bird kickstarter backer lol. Issues don't bother me like you expect that they would. I expect them at this point. I look forward to them.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 It was the only option for the index as of Oct of 2022 so there's that. As far as I know, without looking into it at all, it's still the only option. Sure, there might be issues. But if we all waited for the next best thing, we would be waiting indefinitely. You saying it's not a great option just means it's not a great option for you. It does not mean that it is not a great option for me. Your statement is entirely subjective, which is what I was pointing out in my original comment. Subjectively, it's worth it for me. Objectively, are there issues? yes. there are. Do I care? Well, I would be lying if I said that I didn't. But for me the risk is worth it and I have the disposable money to throw at it. I also buy/rent movies that have terrible reviews. I don't let people who have had a bad experience dictate my decisions. I'll let them temper my expectations but I wont let their experience cause me to miss out on my own experiences.
@@Matlauk Eh i mean fair enough. im def gonna mess with mine when i get it and im not one of the people really throwing a fit over it but at the same time its a bit of a bummer that its probably gonna suck when i first get it when ive been waiting for it for the last year now.
If only the Nofio was an universal streaming solution...
I think SteamOS combined with Arduino will allow open source people to mess with it tbh
I don't know if you look at these comments but I had the same issue as you severe video compressions but I have figured that out open up the Base Station tighten down the Wi-Fi antenna cable inside was loose now I get perfect video and audio hardly no pixelization
Hey Matteo, thanks for sharing your review! Over the past two months, we haven't encountered any new bugs from the community. The team has been working hard and we've rolled out 5 new updates since the release, one of which being a major video quality improvement. We're committed to maintaining a regular release schedule to ensure our customers' experience is exactly where it should be! Thanks again for the feedback.
exactly! its a dead project and too late!!!!
We definitely won’t get a third valve index
I actually hate facebook, and only have an interest in PC-VR. Looking to jump ship post-haste, even if less streamlined. Also fellow Quest owners, you know VR can be janky af
Once in awhile a good down grade is refreshing. Get's boring upgrading all the time.
lol
Are you still using the Index for PCVR or did you switch for another one ? I'm kinda stuck, I don't want a Quest 'cause the Quest 2 was just shit for me, I was going to buy a used Index but I'm scared about not being happy about buying it...
I've been experimenting with my quest pro and quest 3 a lot more on pcvr thse days. While I miss the mic and speakers on the index, you can't beat the pancake lens and resolution boost
Did you also tried the Pico 4 ? On the paper it seems the same but cheaper.
@doggonako5404 yup I have one, it works well enough with Virtual desktop
If you're aiming for an HMD that you are ready to spare a fortune on - just go for the Bigscreen Beyond. Imo it'd be a great buy if you're looking for both comfort and SteamVR tethered experiences, despite the only problem being a cost of individual accessories (Controllers and base stations) Personally - rocking a Pico 4, but given you didn't like Q2, I feel like this wouldn't be the case for you either
So .. What is the best wireless adapter available right now?
Quest 3
Latest 2.0 update has just released. Noticeable improvement
Still not good I tested it
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 kind of a dumb question. how do you have your base station mounted? the update for me was improvement at the 90hz range. Also mounted the base station on the wall. seems to help with the random artifacting (still happends just not nearly as often)
@@DravenUnix the have 3 wall mounted base stations.
one could easily argue that VR is dead and dont bother waiting another 3-6 years for an already outdated product when the industry as a whole has been floundering in the wastes of its own making.
I love the honesty, keep up the great work!
Thank you! Will do!
Valve doesn’t care
Valve didn't make this
What do they not care about?
I am hoping that deckard will support a wider IPD range. having an IPD of 73mm isn't great when the max of the index is 70mm.
Am I the only one who just wants a really good wired headset… why is every company rushing to do wireless :(
It sells, that's why
Why is your video the only one that talks bad about it ? Perhaps the device your received may be defected ? I just bought the valve again and a kat walk c2 but with the intention of getting the nofio with it bro. Is it that bad ?
I haven't seen anything talk good about it. As I mentioned, everyone else in the US I spoke with has the same experience
Ill get use to the meta quest 3 lol, that cable drove me insane and that nofio is worth as much as the other vr headset I just got@@Gamingwithmatteo311
ahh no i have one on order not good news .........still waiting for mine to be delivered
Sorry dude
It doesn't make sense to create a product for an outdated headset, specially considering the existing bigscreen beyond, apple vision pro, and more headsets that will be released in 2024.
I’m sorry you had to do this video. Seemed like it was genuinely a bummer to do. 😕
I didn't have to do it but it felt necessary
I presume this poor quality visuals isn't a line of sight issue between transmitter and receiver?
No, this isn't 60ghz, it's wifi 6e. Also I literally stood 2 inches from the antenna and played there for a bit
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Oh dear!
Sounds like someone from Nofio needs to fly out and troubleshoot it. Should have figured it out before shipping
I feel that they're so late with it. I switched to Q2 from Volvo Index, and to Q3 when it came out. Index only had a few benefits compared to Quest, which are higher fov and better tracking, which helped with simulation games. Other than that Quest all the way baby. No tethered bs and better resolution.
Volvo makes index too?
@@xScarx No, Valve makes it too
@@dolorian_dollar just trying to be funny lol
@@xScarx that's what my wife says I try to play with her vulva index
This should of came out 4 years ago
Ive had no visual clarity issue with my nofio, in korea. So it may be entirely location based.
I heard but can't confirm that the performance is significantly impacted by US signal regulations.
Thanks for giving us an honest review. I always come to you for the truth and you always deliver.
Appreciate the honest review!
Cristal WiGig
nofio was a scam
I know this video is old but now the quest3 and psvr 2 has been released and offers all these features you mentioned in the video anyways,, valve will need to supersede these features or at least combine these if they want to charge close to the 1500 that’s predicted the headset will cost . I’d personally like to see a wider fov like the pimax is offering as well as having the features of the quest3 such as wireless and augmented reality experiences and psvr 2 foveated rendering - they will need to pull something big out of the bag above and beyond the current headsets if they are going to charge this much - maybe more games on the level of half life akyx or even better and maybe mobile gaming in the headset which is on a higher graphical fidelity that what the quest can currently offer - if they could do all that then they will be onto a winner .
valve isnt working on anything vr
@@SINfromPL what about the deckard then ?
@@paulnicolas172 what deckard? everything you have ever heard about it comes from single source who is addicted to vrchat and despite years of 'leaks' has never gotten anything right. deckard was steam link for quest all this time.
@@SINfromPL but how do you know for sure ? Are you just guessing or how can you substantiate that ? There were rumours concerning other headsets in the past and most materialised . Of course if your right this will be a major blow for pc vr I guess
@@paulnicolas172 what am i supposed to be sure about? about something valve has never announced, and everytime they "confirmed" working on VR was a question totally off the cuff on absolutetly unrelated to VR event? steam deck is their goldmine, there is literally zero sense working on VR; VR is hard, and valve is a tiny company that does not want to loose a single dollar on. they completly left VR space and relegated themselves to hosting games, once again. they don't do anything worthwhile, and you clinging on to idea of yet another obsolete VR headset shows that you've just been brainwashed all these years.
When quest 3 is allmost the same price as a battery pack lololol
Exactly
You have literally uploaded the first Nofio wireless VR review to CZcams. Congratulations. You are also a backer on kickstarter, so you are technically beta testing the product prior to full release. This is not a 100% finished product yet. The software needs updating which was LITERALLY released today. You're reviewing something too early, just for views. You're not giving it the respectable time to be the product it can be. The United States DOES have wireless bandwidth interference that was literally fixed in TODAY's (1/18/24) software patch to auto select the best channel for nofio.
This is Linus Tech Tips fiasco all over again. You rush out a bad review and don't give the product the time it deserves. It's still not even sent out to all the backers on kickstarter yet, and you review it like it's a mass produced product. You literally mention they are working on the software yourself.
Releasing a video like this can be detrimental to the future of a groundbreaking tech company like this. This could impact whether or not they decide to support the product down the road even at all, because your negative review casts shade on something they have been forthright in communicating to all backers on discord. In turn, you are potentially costing them sales and future-proofing them as a company to continue supporting the product or even making one for BSB as you so sorely desire them to. I hope you consider the ramifications of a video released so soon. They should have NDA'd it until they knew it was ready. Maybe that's bad planning on their part.
You 100% did not watch the video. I mention even if video quality wasn't an issue it's impossible to recommend
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 I 100% did watch it and @5:33 you clearly have monetization in mind when you're diverting viewers to getting a quest which you just by chance have discount referral codes for to a 3rd party accessory store. Can't wait to see LTT and Thrillseeker post honest reviews after giving it time.
@@xScarxlol, funny how many gamers reason like conspiracy theorists to explain differences of opinion
I've tested the update. Image quality is still beyond exactable and it introduces more pixilation and jitter plus I can feel the latency but like I said even if it was perfect quality $450 and the other issues I mentioned make it a no go
hey, how much are you getting paid by nofio?
I might do the unthinkable and buy a quest as my wireless solution but really hope deckard hurries up
You clown on the Index for costing $450, stating it's a very high price, yet you mention bigscreen beyond as an upgrade, when it costs 3x as much.
Appreciate this vid so much. Originally wanted this but walked away when I saw the delivery dates and price. Was afraid it would end up this way and I'd have been miserable if I received it like that. Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks
Seems like the same day/the day after you posted this video nofio released a software update that fixed region specific channel issues and WiFi performance. Any news on how this improved it (or didn't) for you?
Tested and it's not better
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 ugh I get mine this month... Was hoping for good news.
@Begohan1234 sorry I hope you have better luck with it
Just buy kiwi ceiling straps and it feels like wireless, I never have any issues w the cord in my way
Cause you live in your mom basement playing vrchat sitting down.
@@SINfromPL do u fuckin work for them like why are u meat riding this product so damn hard 💀💀💀💀😭
meat riding? it's trash. and you are even thraser pretending that ceiling straps are a solution, and that you never have any issues with the cord LMAO@@razervr7209
Even if it did work well with firmware update it's not that compelling anymore due to the low res of the index. The only games I have played on the Index since getting a Q3 are Toss! and Synth Riders, due to superior lighthouse tracking and minimalistic graphics in those games. I'm not happy with latency of pcvr on quest but it's hard to go back to Index after seeing the pancake clarity and higher res visuals. They're just way too late to market with this
Well that's not the news about Nofio I wanted to hear, but having image quality that is bad is unacceptable. Amplifying the Index's weakness is not what I wanted. I wanted 120hz wireless at native res. But for almost the price of a new HMD and the image quality is not there I can't.
I'd wait for a content creator to do a thorough review before you jump to conclusions based on this one. They didn't even bother reviewing after the update fixed all of the issues that was released the same exact day they posted this.
oh content creator? like someone who got sponsored to "try" it a year ago? the same people who are nowhere to be found with ANY video on the subject?@@xScarx Nofio is trash and they have never ever legitimized themselves. Their whole marketing is cringe, and showcasing people who has never used VR claiming this product is "amazing"
ill buy it from you ive been wanting to try it,
Save your money
How do people forget the Vario aero? Lots of "Index people" went there. Great headset especially for the massively reduced price.
Because it’s discontinued and you cannot buy them from anyone but eBay anymore.
it says "sold out"
Looks like they're holding back the product to fix it.
no , there production quantity is limited
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 ok so how many do you think they have sold???? How come people are crazy about this product?
The only customers I can think of are arcades.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 and actually it's pretty common that a product is suddenly sold out if heavy flaws are identified and a delivery cannot be promised
@@REDxFROG whos crazy about this product? get out of your bubble.
@@SINfromPL are you? Sorry but anyone buying this shit is a complete idiot.
Knew it before it launched.
You know what sells the Nofio and why I'm willing to wait for updates that will fix the issues?
I don't want a Facebook headset. I don't want to support a terrible company. I don't want a headset that might spy on me. I don't want to buy software whos revenue will go towards a company that has multiple times shown a desire to create a monopoly in the VR space. You do something bad every time you recommend Quests, and don't mention all these things.
Ok then use pico, bigscreen, vive pro 2 or pimax. All have wireless options and upgrade the overall hardware
@@Gamingwithmatteo311it would be irony of century if someone hating "Meta monopoly" would be fine with supporting Chinese government through pico and pimax
But it wouldn't surprise me - these kids hate Facebook more than they like vr. It's always nonsense words coming from them.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Pico doesn't seem like a stable company, BSB can't be shared, HTC lost me as a customer long ago and everything Pimax is way more expensive than a Nofio, doubly so if I actually wanted to go high end.
Honestly I think this video was premature. Nofio is actively working on pushing out updates and doing testing with end users all over the place. Oh, and you already can clip the Nofio battery somewhere besides your headset, they literally sold straps just for that purpose, so kind of a moot suggestion there.
it's not premature because I discuss that even if it was perfect which it will never be no matter what software upgrades they add, it's way too expensive. Pico not being stable means nothing because indexes are already out of warranty. HTC losing you as a customer is a you only thing. Pimax is indeed expensive but you get upgraded tech instead of paying an arm and a leg to semi update old tech. Finally when it comes to the battery, sure you CAN clip it to your waist but they don't provide a cable or mount for that and that comment was specific to the big screen beyond. @@Abestar909
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 It was $400 to back the Nofio, that's about $400-$1000 dollars less than the alternatives you are suggesting and since, as you are aware, the Index has a lot going for it that's not "way too expensive".
Pico going out of business would have the same effect but worse than an Index being out of warranty considering Valve has repeatedly shown themselves willing to replace parts out of warranty and replacement parts are far more common for Indexes vs the far, far more rare Picos.
Considering HTC losing me was based on their business practices and not something entirely specific to me, it's not a "me only" thing.
Pimax - it's okay with you to spend around $1,500 for a better resolution headset but it's an "arm and a leg" to spend $400 on a *dedicated* wifi 6 connection for a tried and true headset from a company people actually trust? Please guy.
And you are complaining about them not supplying a longer cable for the battery, seriously? It's just a flipping USB C cable dude. Use one of the no doubt dozen you have and put it in a pocket, not rocket science.
I dunno if this is just you purposely trying to be obtuse for some unknown reason or if you are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator but good lord this is some bad advice/commentary.
"Too late! 25 years too late"
25?
bro didnt it just come out still needs updates
Bro, discussed. This video is actually months old, rounds of updates later the performance is still really bad plus everything else I mentioned
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 womp womp im not the one that spent 450 bucks on something that doesnt work and still complains about it
@@user-ok9wb2jx9t I'm not sure what that means
So sad about this. I talked someone into kickstarting this.
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oh no
Hi,
I do understand you are already looking at the product with the idea in mind that "The valve index is dead", but for a lot of people daily driving it, it is not
Please also concider you probalby got this unit by backing the kickstarter, or having it sent by nofio themself, in the first case, remember you are getting a kickstarter product, it can be a beta product, or a finished one, in the case of the nofio, it's a product with a very active staff team, and fixing every bug they can, they even release a software update tooday, in the second case, remember that you got it for free (so yeah they sent it to you for free)
I know your title is probably just for clickbait as you are the first do to a video about the production nofio ...
This sounds like cope to me
You sound.....salty....
Yeah I covered all this. Please watch the video
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 I've watched your video ... and i know you agree with the point that people that still like their index
@@TomPointExe there is a big difference between the index is dead and the index is worth $450 for wireless
VR in itself is more or less dead at this point. No one is making games for it and the only games out as of now that are half decent are Pavlov and Blade & Sorcery
Why would anyone want to use a Index in 2024??? Plus there is virtual desktop for wireless Pc VR. Pointless video.
How does this make the video pointless? That is the EXACT POINT of the video.
@Gamingwithmatteo311 what I mean is that why would anyone want to use their old Index and pay money on top to play wireless VR? Unless you only have an Index still. You say at the start of the video that you always wanted to play your Index wireless. But you have Quest 3 with better visuals and that can do wireless PC VR no problem. So kind of pointless spending money to make the old Index wireless.
@@Aku77777index is a religion, it's designed for vrchat and Meta haters
The SteamVR Oculus app kinda *murdered* a lot of products like this. Love or hate the quest, it's just too *easy to use*. I *hate* leaving my knuckles behind. I'd rather revisit using a vive-tracker than go this route to keep SteamVR tracking.
I just hope someone releases a (modern) native wireless VR headset with lighthouse support.
Pimax but you are looking at 1500 and that headset has plenty of issues
I can see why this product wouldn't worth it the price is too high, for me I would rather have a mobile headset than lowering that quality of a good headset, being limited by battery charge and paying $400 when the wire is NOT that big of a deal in the first place
... yeah still not buying into anything facebook/meta puts out.
I hate how much of a stranglehold they have over vr, and I still cant shake the feeling its because valve refuses to do much of anything. they might not be able to count to 3 with their software, but they cant even count to 2 with their hardware. its maddening.
I did put in a pre-order for a nofio a long while ago (not a kickstarter, but after it. well before any reviews). its already shipped. on a boat somewhere. to me the money is gone, so whatever. There are reports new firmware works better, if I find that to be the case then great! If not...
I still like using my index, and will continue to do so even if wired if my nofio experience is garbage. it might be older, but its still a wonderful headset overall. I would like to upgrade to a bigscreen beyond... but to me the index is still fine enough for my needs I'd rather wait on whatever valve does next. IF they do anything next. And if not? Ehhhh....
Tested the new firmware, no luck.
You can always go Pico 4 or pimax if you want yo avoid meta
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 pico 4 doesnt use steamvr tracking.
pimax crystal is 4x the cost of the pico, even more to add steamvr tracking
why should I buy a new headset, when my index is still doing fine?
as I said, the money is already gone. if it (the nofio) works it works, if it doesnt it doesnt.
I'm perfectly happy to continue to use my index - even wired - until valve does something, IF they do something.
Matteo, I'd like to publicly apologize for all negative comments that I have posted here towards you, your video, and otherwise. I, and many others, have blindly white-knighted for Nofio, defending them needlessly. I won't justify our actions, but I believe we all were simply keeping our hopes high. We shouldn't have lambasted you for your opinion, to which we know to be correct now after many more have received there device. I am by no means a mascot for the Nofio backer community but I hope you take my apology as the apology for everyone else here that did the same, if they don't retract their statements as well. I will leave my comments as-is, only to further show my assinine behavior and not censor it to the public. Please accept my apology. Thank you for providing fair and honest feedback that we should have listened to in the beginning. You have me as a subscriber once again.
All good dude, thanks for the support
i'm curious WHY did you change your stance? no idea what you said before either
Real bummer, too late in the game regardless. Deckard will likely be this year so the market for this product and lifespan is basically nothing.
That's what people have been saying for 4 years now. I honestly doubt we'll see Deckard in the next few years, if ever.
Your dogin on a 5 year old device
You got it backwards. I'm talking about nofio and why would you want to spend $450 on a 5 year old device
your face looks a bit pink on camera today, maybe check your color settings or ISO?
There's nothing wrong with 3D printed tech.
I didn't say there was but you know what a bad 3d print looks like and I've had VR products delivered that look like that.
There is nothing cool about it either
@@SINfromPL my bike saddle would beg to differ. My ass has never been cooler or more comfortable.
Did decard got cancled
Nope, Valve time
cancelled? it already released like 2 months ago. its called "STEAM LINK" in Quest App Store.
It may not have ever really existed.
Bro , Ure complaining about an beta product it’s not fully done yet the biggest reason of them sending them out is because the community wanted it even it’s not finished… stop crying around wannabe VR tuber….
Lol. Straight copium. The pricing is unreasonable even if it worked perfectly but wifi 6e can only do so much, it will never be perfect
Just wait for the Valve Deckard. The Valve Index is starting to show its age.
Yup
We have been waiting for the Deckard for years, after many "It will be the next Oculus Connect" and "it's just around the corner!". The Deckard is just as likely to show up 5 years from now as it is tomorrow.
@@andrasbonitz3491 I Doubt that. I see way too many things being up updated from within steam. Even the quest steam link is an indication they are getting ready. My guess is around the time Apple comes out with their very expensive, useless headset, Valve will pounce.
@@paulbellino5330 steam link for quest is literally the deckard. touch some grass. everything you heard about deckard comes from a single source, and they did not even see quest app coming. get effin real.