I should have tried this earlier - Bigscreen VR.
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After finishing my racing simulator, there was just one thing left - VR. Today, we see whether the Bigscreen Beyond or the Meta Quest III can beat my triple screen setup.
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"Woah that's cool he's able to stand on the tra- IS THAT A FUCKING MCLAREN?"
Surprised you didn't notice it earlier in the B-roll!
I've been wanting to know for a LONG time how bro earns his bag. He's inspirational.
@@Strawberry_ZA I bet its crypto!!
Super flex lol
@@Strawberry_ZA ♪We gettin Arab moneh♪♪
Bro upgraded from an Audi to McLaren 🔥🔥🔥
holy shit when did he get that
ballin so hard
Right?! Just a casual McLaren in the garage.
Adept 🐳
quality wise its a big downgrade
cus mclaren sucks with that and everyone who has owned one knows it but theyre still sexy as hell
VR is truly next level.
Anybody who thinks otherwise hasn't really experienced it.
I agree - but it also is a very personal thing, too. I've been racing in VR since 2019. 5-6 people in the league I race in have picked up Quest2 HMDs for christmas over the years, and only one of them really stuck with it. The biggest reason they've dropped it is... Well, I think it's kinda dumb, but it's personal. "I don't like how blurry stuff is in the distance"
Like they spend a lot of time reading the billboards at the far end of the back straight or something...
@@JonathonBartonfair point - yet once you experience the spacial feel racing in VR - 2D racing really feels dull in comparison.
I could never get too much into 2D racing games because it doesn't feel realistic in 2D.
But VR... oooh boy. 😳
My personal downside is just that VR (PSVR2) is still exhausting for me.
2-3 hours max. and I'm done for the day. 😂
But the immersion is unmatched hands down.
I wish every racing game had an additional VR mode.
Do I need a mod for glasses?
I agree. But I also think that only certain people can do it without getting sick
@@justsomedude7042 yes, they make lenses for both the quest and big screen headset. You'll need to know your prescription.
The jump to VR is even mre noticable in rally sims since you're flinging the car into corners sideways. VR allows you to look into corners so much more naturally, really a game changer.
RBR in VR blew my mind. despite the pretty dated graphics the immersion is crazy and the crashes are terrifying
That and drifting like drifting on assetto or carx
"vertigo" in my OG oculus dev kit on the very low fps, screen door, roller coaster demo
Why is obvious.. less obvious is why we are here in this "place"
I'm sure you could get some of the same intense feelings when braking too late and trying not to lock the wheels :D amazing effort by Bigscreen
@@goldnutter412 Its so impressive how much the tech has advanced in the last 10 or so years. I had the same kind of experience as you with the oculus DK1 long ago. I could not help but feel sick after doing 60hz 640x480 with my 970
Facts
Bro is batman 💀💀💀
I love the dark and white place hes in. Its super sexy
@@NP_Com lmao
@@NP_Com ?
batman had better things to do than play overwatch and he knows playing racing games is best with a controller
@@NP_Com real
optimum just casually has a McLaren standing next to his sim-rig in case he wants to go racing irl😅
How is dude begging
AFAIK he also has a built rs3
@@usr01 he sold it
Yeah, casually, 😏like it was an accident that it got in the video at all... 🙄
VR and simulators are made for each other. Racing sims and fight sims are next level in VR.
Lots of paid for fan bois in this comment section!
@@indivestor Not at all. VR is awkward for games where you're expected to stand up and possibly move around, but it truly excels for applications where you can sit in a chair. Racing and flight simulators both have you sit in your chair at home, and pretend that You're sitting in a chair in a plane/car. Because of that the VR experience for these is truly next level because the game doesn't have to try to implement body movement. Most hardcore sims were already simulating the cockpit anyway so for VR to work you just have to simulate it twice from two slightly different cameras angles.
@@PaxImbrium Id say, its the opposite for me. I've played VR games for 3-4 years now, and racing games make me sick, almost instantly, where as i have never experienced nausea in any other VR game. Also, Standing/walking/Exploring in VR is awesome. Try games like Fallout 4 or No mans sky. Moving around in large open areas feels so natural. Using weapons, aming, throwing grenades and so on, also feels natural in VR.
Have you tried VTOL VR??? You'd be a fan boi too!
@@johnbarber7952 Oh yeah!
Watching someone experience vr for the first time is so sweet. His reaction felt so genuine. Just makes you want to say "it's ok, i know"
was it his first time? because yep, when the oculus DK2 came out, I was doing the same things exactly. walking around the room, tripping out.
Same. It's the little observations he brought up that make you remember what it was like the first time for you as well
@@RogerEssigArtist no reason to believe it wasn't first time. In the opening he'd heard about it and this co sent him it. Plus he's a content creator, if he did have vr prior he would've done a video at the time.
@@HipposHateWater my driving rig isn't quite as good with my literally 20 year old Guillermot Force Feedback 😂 but it was £5 off eBay.
Dumping too many mods in Skyrim and standing on a mountain is breathtaking.
I put my first timer brother in law on ms flight sim because he is a plane nerd. I didn't hear a word from him, speechless going in circles over Wales.
Love it
he's a con man. big screen paid him some big bucks to convince people like you that you need to give them your money.
how do you not see this?
how do you think he earns his money?
Bro casually flexing with his McLaren
How you think he affords that though. Its not like he has sponsors or anything
@@TheOfficialFloridaMan He has a real job. He is not full-time on CZcams.
@@NoFailer Exactly like Dave2D, right? They both have the same kind of "cleanliness" and very professional video production, but a very different type of "cleanliness" from unbox therapy or mkbhd.
@@NoFailer I wonder what he works as
@@NoFailer💀
I love how the warehouse is matt black. So satisfying.
Yeah if you are 12
@@gumb0l stop being jealous
who the hell is Matt
That's not matte black, that's like space grey or gunmetal grey. But I agree it looks sick!
with a mclaren 💀💀
The fact that I can do dishes, cook dinner, vacuum etc while simultaneously watching a 100" TV screen makes the q3 well worth the $500 price point. My house has never been more tidy! Chores aren't chores any more. 😊
Wait how do you keep the screen in your view but out of the way? I didn't think you could pin windows yet
Wow AI much?
Do you really? Serious questions
Your dopamine receptors are fried bud. welcome to 2024, can’t wait for 2050.
That's a lie, i can't even eat while using quest 3
I'm not really "jealous" of many people, but your work, your output, your quality, your setup, your studio, your cars, I can't help but say that I'm definitely jealous but not in any hateful kind of way. You absolutely deserve everything you have and more, and I'm very happy and proud of what you've built. Keep pushing and thank you for the legitimately great content!
you are envious not jealous since it is not yours yet
@@ExperimentalKana yep thats the right word
@IcarusLIVE That's envy, not jealousy.
anyone noticed, the car in the background and how insane his house is. seeing the improvement through the years is crazy, congrats.
What I respect more it is probably from his real job and maybe a little CZcams, since he said CZcams is a side gig.
I often wonder how he funds these videos and still seems to be well off with a respectable but not crazy 1 million subscribers
@@chrisbaillie9902 CZcams is not his main source of income probably.
He owns a supplement company called BPN nutrition.
@chrisbaillie9902 he must have a real well paying job, or maybe he was already well off from family or investments.
can I just compliment how clean your setup for filming is. The white table and simplicity with the sunlight is so clean. That bar light in the corner of that large room is so simple but so bootiful.
when i started watching his content, he had like a few thousand subs, now its a million... now you wonder why... its the insane aesthetics and a vibe. maybe people enjoy high tech stuff with the blend of aesthetic vibes and thats how 1 million subs.
Doing workouts and being freakin' ripped doesn't hurt as well :-P
Yes his video's are very aesthetically pleasing high tech and a chill vibe
He really has an eye for clean design. All his videos have an aesthetically pleasing look to them and he also does 3D modeling and animation.
@@Zapharus 3d modelling and animation is a child's play. its new for him too. the thing is, he is using all of this to increase is production value while targeting the audience who might be noob or unaware of such basic skills.
one of the coolest things I did in an F1 race in VR, is stood up and drive. You really need to use a controller to try it property, but its easier to drive as you see more and it feels like you're flying. Its so amazing
I used to do sim racing quite seriously. In iRacing I won the UK & I Club championship 3 times in the Skip Barber series and had a world record lap time on I can’t remember which track. I used the Oculus Rift VR headset to achieve this. For me, seeing in 3D was the game changer.
We evolved with 2 eyes in order to achieve stereoscopic vision, which is vital for measuring distances for hunting. Next time you’re in a car, close one eye while coming up to a braking zone and see how comfortable you feel about how far you have left before you can start braking. That’s what triple monitors feels like to me now - like having one eye.
A casual *6-figure McLaren* just chilling and being used for B-roll and background prop for a 3-figure VR headset, just bollocks!! 🤯🤯🤯
Dude that car is 7 figures, that's a McLaren P1. 900+ horsepower...
Hold on I’m wrong ignore me it’s a 540
@@seswaroto what a nerd bro, there is no way your average dude will have a P1. Bro is doing too much
@@seswaroto that's not a p1, it's either a 570s or a 540c , going for 150 to 200k
@@seswaroto oh you said it here already my bad
FOV, Peripheral vision, depth perception, VR is a no turning back after you use it for a wile. I'm using for real flight training and its insane.
I am using it for first person games, Fallout 4, Skyrim and Hitman. I can't go back to looking at a monitor instead of over my shoulder.
but vr is well known for triggering anxiety or ptsd, apart from severe eye strain when used for extended periods of time... people should keep this in mind before pushing way too hard on vr. my first encounter with vr racing was back in 2017 with iracing and it quickly made me dizzy, i never tried it again.
@@deepak_nigwal That's the initial nausea that most people have to work through when they try VR for the first time. Generally, you'd wanna play VR until you feel nausea, then stop and take a break until that feeling has passed, then get back in VR right after and repeat. Doing this repeatedly should allow your body to get used to VR, and you'll eventually stop getting nauseous in VR.
Took me about a week at most to get my "VR legs," and now I need to have something very extreme to happen to make me motion sick in VR. More extreme then falling off a modded map in Assetto Corsa and having your car spin really fast while falling.
@@deepak_nigwal 2017 VR is ancient at this point. The technology has gotten so much better. That said yeah of course some people can't handle it but if you can it's amazing. The crazy part is VR tech still has so much more it could do now if we get another PC headset with foveated rendering and native signal
@@deepak_nigwal I had a similar experience and will never do VR again. I felt dizzy for a couple of weeks. It was pure stress.
Now you just need a motion rig, and you are set.
and haptics
@@asecret900 and a wind simulator for that full immersive experience.
And a little gasoline in a pot
@@aexetan2769 Player one is now ready!
@@aexetan2769 Player number one is now ready!
Literally the best channel, cinema quality and every topic seems to be made for me, I can say that our interests match perfectly and after that I see my Mclaren dream car in the background. UNbelievable. 😵😵
I would 100% recommend getting 2 large Tower Fans and place them front left and front right. It helps with any motion issues while driving in a HUGE way!
Bro it could be totally possible to make a piece of software that changes the speed of the fan according to how fast you move
@@AshLordCurryyou mean simhub?
@@AshLordCurry hey that's a really good idea. I bet you could direct it easily too as fans come with those rotating motors. Hacking it to direct air as well as change its speed would be an immersion increaser. I do this Kayak VR Mirage game and I tried that outside on the patio on a sunny day and it was very spooky. I could feel the sun on me in the real world and the wind move around me and in the game in the sunlight it felt alarmingly real. You have to check yourself as even going into shade your mind convinces you you're actually in shade and I feel it on my skin even though I'm still sat in the real sun. I just don't get the same fast updates outside as I do nearer the router inside but a new upgrade could solve that. I'm all for these immersion increasers and there really aren't many on the market beyond the VRChat crowd stuff giving them more accurate body tracking.
@@AshLordCurrySimHub already has that
@@ClayMannsimhub has that
The design of the Bigscreen is insane, at 5:17 you look like someone from a cyberpunk future with them. I hope in 5/10 years we can have that size and design with the features of the big ones.
All I want is OLED and HDR1000 for the Quest, then I've pretty much found my dream VR setup for a price I can afford. It's crazy how far VR has come, from being a tech gimmick a decade ago with the Oculus Rift DK1 that CZcamsrs played with for a few months fueled by their high-end PC rigs, all the way to now where it's actually a good option for gaming, multimedia streaming, and work... all with onboard processing.
@@Vorexiaand 240hz
The design is great but the price is not good. Once you've added the cost of the base stations, controllers and audio strap it comes to around $1800. The Pimax Crystal Light at just $799 is the better headset imo.
Just have the calculating part in the pocket
I don't think we can have that size and design with the features of the big ones in a matter of 0.5 years. Gotta reduce your fractions.
been a fan for a while but dude I LOVE the studio and your cinematic approach to your videos!
Hey Ali, it's great seeing your space and your tech getting crazier and crazier. Also, the b-roll and shots are just on point, mate!
The reason racing is so much better in vr as well is depth perception so you can better tell your position and judge corners etc
It feels like you're actually there driving the car. That's what I like most about it.
That is definitely the biggest difference.
Makes using a 2D screen (of any size) a deal breaker.
I once had VR set up in my garage, racing in Assetto Corsa. I had to pause it to go upstairs to sort something out!
When I came back down, I was in a bit of a bad mood, got back into Assetto, and became even more anoyed as my driving seemed to be even worse than usual!
I then realised I had the VR set to "desktop", so I was only seeing things in 2D! The difference for cornering between 2D and 3D is a total game changer.
Lots of paid for fan bois in this comment section!
@@indivestor its just... True. I dont even have a bigscreen beyond, Its just vr in general
Wish I was fucking paid dawg, I just like it because its good...
optimum making the optimal optical video
Not so optimum spending thousands on high end curved screens when vr has been a thing for a decade and most know there is no point to going with that setup
he's a reviewer bro that's his job
@@prashant_rides mate even he admits he made a mistake going for that in the video plus no one forced him to review that specific racing setup
@@guotyr2502 it's a part of his passion, his niche - wouldn't you want to delve deeper into another aspect of your hobby when it's... y'know, your hobby? and if you learn from your mistakes, great. you can show it to other people so that they don't have to make a mistake too.
@@cluckendip so passionate about it he look toward selling them immediately after getting that vr set, give me a brake
Bought the original Oculus CV1 back in 2016. Switched to VR and never went back. I can't do simracing on (triple) screens anymore. Funny that you did the exact thing I did when I received my CV1 back then: park the car in the grass and get out of the car and walk around 😀. And doing 5-6 hour stints in one go in VR is SOOOOO satifsying! 😀
His reaction to being able to put his head outside the car is what amazed me the most about my Oculus CV1 when i first got it, You can just put your head through the cockpit on a plane on Warthunder and look around, When i got my Oculus controllers later on in maybe Janruary 2017 I was blown away when I set up the Rift with 3 sensors, I too got out of a car and walked around, also doing the same in a big plane like a Lancaster, you could just walk around your room (irl) at cockpit level (in-game)
I truely remember that feeling being amazing, it's 2024 and I'm still rocking the CV1 but im on the lookout for a better replacement for sitting games only, Mainly Planes + Racing games while sitting, and this BigScreen VR thing looks hopeful, I just want to test one before buying these days.
Had a go on my mates Quest 2 and it blew my CV1 out the water visual quality (Fidelity?) wise
I'm convinced this guy is batman after seeing this warehouse
I bought the Oculus Rift in 2016 and since then I am totally infected of VR. Had the Quest and now the Pimax Crystal. People who tried VR for longer (not just testing it at a friend or using it for one day and returning it) know how good it is. Simulations (especially flight sims) are MUCH more immersive in VR. I would never go back. Motion sickness is something that can be overcome with "training". I had motion sickness in 2016 for maybe 1-2 weeks. After that I was basically immune.
I just made another comment regarding motion sickness. Basically try to use camera reference on ground, not car. I wasted 2 weeks until I found this setting. It was instant painful max 45mins to hours with no headaches and no cold sweat. Just one setting. However, I don't know about space sims.
I've had motion sickness in VR for about 5 years. I use VR quite often. The motion sickness never went away for me.
Funny enough I never had motion sickness in racing games. I think as my brain knows I'm not moving myself but the car - it doesn't get confused.
But I do get quite sick in games where I'm moving on foot.
Especially when the body registers fast running/jumping but my balance sensors in my body/ears don't register any movement.
Teleporting in those games helps quite a bit but kills some of the immersion. ☹️
Glad I arrived at this conclusion designing my first simrig, 1 widescreen monitor for setup and general use and VR to play.
I have had this headset for about six months and absolutely love it. I recently added a DOF reality H3 motion seat in the combination of the two is mind blowing. Highly recommended.
props to the relaxation sounds you mix very quietly in the video. as someone with a fucked up back it made my back feel super relaxed
I just love your clean minimalist aesthetic. You even colour-matched the interior walls of your warehouse or "office". Your car fits in nicely as well. Congrats on the purchase by the way. One day, when I finally own land/property, I will build/do something similar and I hope it turns out just as good looking.
I've been using VR for the last 8 years, I'm glad you finally discover it. Have fun!
Track racing is insane in VR. My favorite is Dirt Rally. You get the stomach drop and the intensity in VR doing off road blind turn rallies so well. I really recommend you try it to experience the contained chaos and get a slight feel for how rally driving works.
It's so awesome that there is a VR headset in that form factor available, I feel like vr won't truly take off until most vr headsets have a smaller profile and the price goes down even further
Ah..... Experiencing _good_ VR for the first time. When you do, it becomes clear that it is the future.
ready player one
@@Unknown-Thief not just that, its like why not just throw on a $500 hmd and you have multiple $xxxx screens all around you, as many and as small or large as you want where ever you want, configurable without lifting anything or even actually have a monitor at all. Where can you get a monitor for $500 that can be whatever monitor you have, 10 of the monitor you have, or a Movie Theater screen 10 meters away that's 10' diagonal?
They need to work on the multiple HMD tracking in the same space thing but the next gen of hmds will be the 'mass public' get involved gen. Higher res, pupil tracking, fov render, etc. Req's will go down, fidelity will go up.
Very nice filming. Watched it on 4k oled and the quality of the first few shots is what picked my interest to watch the whole review
These video was my inspiration, and this racing game is absolutely awesome!
I suggest giving EA WRC or Dirt Rally 2 a go in VR. Track racing is super fun and I love it but theres nothing quite like sliding around a corner on a dirt road and being able to turn your head to keep track of where you are headed. Rally is by FAR my favorite sim type to play in VR.
I'm also a fan of the 2015 Dirt Rally physics over DR2 personally
Dirt rally 1 and 2 are both vr. They are the best Vr + Steering wheel game imo. The cars just feel so realistic. Can feel the gravel under your tires. So reactive. He kind of mentions it in this video. Looking out your driver window as you turn just feels real life. Makes the flat screen view a night and day difference.
dirt 2 and ea wrc are horribly unoptimized for vr, you need to use like the lowest possible settings and im on a 3080. dirt rally 1 runs so much better, looks better and is just better in every way.
2018 McLaren MA3 540C Coupe. Holy moly
Just came across this video randomly. Man what a channel. This guy seem genuine, I can't believe he can get out of the F1 car on that track which is hilarious and mind-blowing.
Do these work on F1 game?
Also there is a real freaking McLaren sitting in his studio....What.... I am definitely researching this VR headset for my F1 sim built.
yeah ive only got gt7 and the vr2 and the immersion is still beyond the next level, i appreciate how you can take a stock skyline out in gt7 whereas you cant do that so much in other vr titles
Bigscreen VR is probably the only headset that looks good when someone is wearing it. I'd love to buy one if it weren't so expensive
I rather have functions that get the best out of it over the look. Heck you can't even run a standalone and you cannot share with anyone so the look is completely useless since you're not gonna share with anyone or appear anyway in the public with it. Bigscreen Beyond is the worse product ever in my opinion not due to the most hassle to order product ever made, the specs and the burry in the edge is just terrible. I'm not saying VR is bad is just the product. VR is one of the most impressive technology that ever made it to the market right next to the personal computer which is a huge fade.
Why would I ever want to use it standalone? I'm going to be using it in my house. It's not about the looks, it's about the weight, and the high resolution OLEDs.@@toututu2993
VR is future technology but they make it look like a toy
Wdym you cant share it he is literally mirroring his view to a screen in this video. Or did i miss something @@toututu2993
@@iraklimgeladze5223 The only thing they need to step up is better marketing not the look that educate people of how good the device is that is nothing like something else.
VR still lack decent marketing because people's still view VR as either for rich kids that can spend multiple thousands on a toy, still clulessly compare VR to 3d glasses in which VR can do 100,000,000x more. They just haven't even tried vr to begin with due to bad marketing
Congrats on a million! Well deserved! Your efforts clearly show.
Not just the feeling but ghost touch is also present in VR. You could feel the material inside VR like hitting a wall or touching an object
Another big advantage to the BSB is how open to nodding it is. People already have nearly drop in eye tracking on it
This video made me smile from start to finish. So much enthusiasm and happiness about something, and so very well detailed.
I saw LTT review this thing and was curious about it, but this has sold me on it. I MIGHT wait for V2 and to see what Valve does, but this thing is at the tip top of my list now.
defo waiting on valve they 100% have something coming
what makes your channel unique is that it's so minimalistic
I do simracing from start until today only in VR setups, started with HP Reverb professional, and bought many other upgrades like Valve index, HTC Vive Pro 2, Pimax 5K 180hz, HP reverb G2 and today for more than 1 year I use Varjo Aero. No one before was compared to this last being my daily driver for Iracing. Delight my purchase over Bigscreen for a reason, I can share all the experience to all my friends and get the most realistic experience I ever had with these on.
Reverb G2 has been a nice sweet spot between these two things for a while. Bigger but very comfortable. Nice 2K 90Hz resolution per eye and good adjustable IPD, DisplayPort cable connected to GPU for rendering, Windows MR API which works nicely with SteamVR and OpenXR (plus OXR Toolkit for foveated rendering in supported games), optical tracking with built-in over-ear headphones like the Index (HP had Valve design the headset) and a comfortable face cushion. I wear glasses and they accommodate them fine. Loads of accessories available to improve comfort for long sessions, I've done multi hour endurance races with it no problem. Simracing PCVR is probably the ideal use for the Reverb IMO.
Deeper and deeper into the sim rabbit hole.. Im all for it!
3:41 mclaren and some yeezys optimum the goat bruh
Deserved
This is actually hugely insightful. I've been shopping OLED ultrawides for a bit, but have been unsure if it makes sense yet at $800. Would love to see a similar look into different priced racing sim setups (wheels, pedals, etc.)
Also the lighting and set composition in the warehouse is phenomenal. Keep up the great work, Ali.
For VR I recommend turning on real mirrors in content manager. It makes the mirrors behave more realistically and you can see your own car. As well as many orher tweaks in content manager. Installing pure etc.
The first time i drove in my Rig i nearly fell out of the Seat in VR, my Brain told me to push against the corner to withstand the force. haha it was very funny.
Greatings from Austria
So nice to see someone getting that fresh VR feeling experience! What you did stepping out of the car is the exact same I did with Elite Dangerous when I realized I could walk around my cockpit in space.
As you are a FPS enjoyer you should try Pavlov or any of the shooters. So much fun and a totally different experience. Also getting full body/face tracking in something like VRChat will blow your mind. Hope you have fun going down the VR rabbit hole.... Second base station is a must though!
FYI there is a huge SFF community in the VR community and many watch you so it's nice to see you in our space!!
Man, that game is so fun in VR... and I was playing on a gen 1 oculus! It makes we want to get a headset again.
What really helps in racing in VR I found is to get a decent semi quiet fan that blows wind into my face. Its a real trick that works to remind you're brain your not moving. Try it.
Woah that's an incredible set up!
I’ve heard of BigScreen but never took it seriously as another option. This looks very impressive!
It's overpriced. The Pimax Crystal Light is much better value.
Its always worth pointing out I think when it comes to the FOV that if you buy a BOBO headstreap for the Quest 3, you can take out the gasket, the bit that touches your face. Take it off completely and the bobo strap doesn't need to clamp to your face, it hovers in front of it and is held in place above your head. Not only is this awesome for super long play sessions as you don't feel that pressure on your face and it can breathe. You can also wind the screen right up so close to your eyes that your eye lashes brush the screen. Just get it before that point and the field of view is a very noticeable leap. Its so big that in a cinema view I had where I could only just see the edges of the screen in my FOV without turning my head. After putting on the BOBO strap I could see the walls of the cinema either side of the screen without turning my head. It allowed me to go into even bigger cinema screens and really feel they were bigger. I just think its an essential purchase, the BOBO isn't anything like as expensive as the official strap addons.
Now might as well mention the downsides. Because its not clamped to your head anymore, it can more easily move around. So beatsaber not a great idea without the gasket. But as you can just snap it back in for more high energy gaming, I don't really see the downside. I've read some people complain about light leak, so if you're in a very bright room the gasket isn't blacking out that bit. And that's true but I've never found the light outside affects the screen and I prefer having that sense of what's around me as I can reach for drinks more easily, things like that. But some people don't like so thought I'd mention it.
I wish I could shout out the person that told me about this bobo trick, I just tried it on a whim one day from someone that mentioned it in a live chat. I didn't even note their name. Not really believing it would work. Hope this helps someone, not sponsored by bobo. I imagine other straps with similar mechanism would allow the same no gasket trick too.
Dang I’ll have to try out a halo head strap as well as the bobovr with no gasket
This is the way.
I use BoboVR M3 without face gasket as well and it's great. But I had to mod it by cutting the side mounts to get the lenses closer to my eyes. (most people don't need this since it depends on the face shape).
@rangerkayla8824 's suggestions are also interesting, I can see BoboVR could even be better.
@@oskansavli good to see another gasket free VR gamer. We need to rise up, spread the word. When I see ads now with a quest just clamped to their head it looks so wrong. They must know its superior in design to hold the headset from above and behind rather than in front but not even the mighty Apple thought that through for the Vision. I've seen some very cool hacks with people 3D printing parts to mount the headset to a cap so it floats without the gasket but if its never the default, most people will never know how much better VR can be.
that's not true, at least not for mine (it's like first gen before they even got popular), most of the weight is still on the face
@@knyt0 well I have a battery pack on the back on my head so that helps take the weight off the front but the front is still the heavy part. Its just its held at the top front, top and back of your head leaving your face completely free. So there is zero weight on the face but still weight on your head in general. I think if you've got actual weight on your face, nose, cheeks and eyes then you might not be wearing it right. I'd youtube some examples of people doing this to see how they are wearing it and what versions everything is. might help. Don't give up, face freedom awaits the brave adventurer!
I'm still liking the responsiveness of these despite not being into the same hobby. I hope there will viewfinders/glass small enough to make it fit into a hockey mask.
I get headaches from vr. Maybe from the headset pressure or weight, I’m not sure. But for the first couple hours it’s great.
I will say, one of the benefits of vr is catching oversteer. As soon as the rear end begins to step out, in vr, you can catch it because you “feel” the car change direction compared to your view/head direction and can immediately answer that with some steering correction. I often find in 2d normal monitor driving that I don’t catch it as easy without some additional things like vibration inputs on a throttle pedal, etc.
My 2c
You can increase the bitrate with the Oculus diagnostic tool to get less compression over the usb cable, but for fast moving games like racing a real display port is always better
The big issue he's having isn't bitrate (which was unchanged between all his tests, regardless of settings), it's resolution encoding limits due to GPU video encoder limitations. At 120Hz the max resolution you can do without supersampling (aka "1x res") is only like ≈1700p IIRC (at least on my RTX 3080), which is simply NEVER going to look fantastic on a ≈2160p headset no matter how many bits you give it per pixel!
Now Lovelace/RTX 4000 did add a 2nd video encoder to the highest end models like his RTX 4090, but I HIGHLY doubt that Meta's Quest Link PC app supports using both encoders on the same encode/VR stream, and thus the encoding limits are probably exactly the same as on Ampere/RTX 3000. 🤷
@@Cooe. I think you are wrong. I don't have the hardware myself. But as far as I understand. With a 4090 you can run the AV1 encoder and if you use virtual desktop with godlike resolution setting. You should get way better quality than what a 3080 can do. So how sure are you that you really know what you are talking about here?
@@cajampa Except that you are flat out WRONG! 🤷 AV1 can't go any higher than HEVC/H.265 in terms of bitrate in Virtual Desktop when run on Lovelace! (Or for the latter, Ampere for that matter.)
Aka, they are both capped at 200Mbps (w/ only H.264+ being able to go above that mark, up to around ≈400Mbps, network quality depending), which is the EXACT SAME cap that Link/AirLink has! (Which run HEVC by default.)
AV1's advantage is that there's slightly higher visual quality per bit, but it's not a big if even actually noticable improvement over HEVC/H.265. AV1's ACTUAL advantage over HEVC is being a totally open standard with no licensing costs, not as a major step forward for video compression technology straight up. 🤷
@@Cooe. So just to be sure, you have tested it? Because i though you said you had an 3080 and that can't run an AV1 encode.
And you are saying that when you used the AV1 encoder on an 4000 series card you noticed pretty much so little improvement, when used in this application compared to H.265 that it does not matter?
Because that is not how others have been describing it.
@@cajampa I have not personally tested it but there's COUNTLESS reports on Reddit describing AV1 support w/ Virtual Desktop as much of a muchness vs HEVC. Most people can't tell the difference, and both codecs are FOR SURE locked to the same 200Mbps cap that HEVC always has been according to literally every single report. 🤷 Aka, Virtual Desktop can't use both HW video encoders simultaneously (not many things can, tbh).
Again, AV1's reason to exist isn't really a technological leap forward in quality for video compression vs HEVC (it's a step forward, but a small one), but rather a massive drop in cost for major companies as it doesn't have licensing costs.
Walking around would be greatly improved by a second basestation. If your room is a square you put one in a bottom corner and the other one in the opposing top corner. That way the basestation always have a view of the headset
All it needs is inside out tracking to be the best vr headset ever made. The base stations can be expensive, and the portability of inside out tracking is so good, you can use your headset in bed, or on your living room, or play beat saber in a more open room without moving stations.
Honestly, even though you have 1M subs already, it still feels like you're underrated. The video quality is literally top-notch.
Love my Bigscreen Beyond. Preordered mine in advance. Had to do two face scans for my facial interface to get it right. But it's awesome.
can we all appreciate that Ali has a warehouse with a mclaren in it, as a 1 man team, because he made videos he cared about, at his own pace, and didnt use a single video sponsor to get there.
Everyone should at least try a driving game in VR once, I remember trying Wipeout on the PSVR a while back and I was blown away by how amazing it feels to be in the cockpit and be able to look around freely, I can't even imagine how good VR will be in few years.
thanks for a great review. i was on the fence about getting a Quest 3 but I feel like its a done deal now
Your videos are the only ones I watch from beginning to end. Phenomenal value you give. Thank you!
Your attention span is cooked if you can’t get through most videos
Really excited for the next 5 years in display tech. And I just cannot wait for 1000Hz to become the standard everywhere and fully supported by apps and games.
That will take decades to get up to that standard.
@@dtz1000it Will not take decades. The tech is already really far the market is just a niche a this time because most people are not aware how Good it already is.
@@TheOriginalMcJunior 5 years ago the Valve Index was doing 144hz. 5 years later we are at 120hz. But we'll see in another 5 years time if you were right.
Why would anyone be doing 1000Hz? There is hardly any difference from 200Hz to 300Hz and the raw power needed to feed it is just huge. It makes zero sense to go that high. Just pure waste of power for that useless frames.
Went into sim racing again after a 10 year gaming break and directly went with VR for all games. I can't play iRacing or ACC on a flat screen anymore. Depth perception is an important sensory input, just like force feedback. And being able to look at things, turn your head left and right gives me additional spacial awareness in tight situations.
Thank you for these reviews. I think you are evaluating the products the right way and express your thoughts very clearly. This is very valuable for people because it is much more different and difficult to research for a VR headset since you need to try them in person. If you can get your hands on other headsets and do reviews for them, that would be a great service for people, I believe. Thank you!
IIRC the glare on the lenses is due to light reflecting on inner-side of the barrel lenses. To fix this you could simply make the diameter wider than the output FoV or use a way to reduce the reflectiveness of those inner-sides (a combination of ruff/jagged edges and ultra low reflective black panting). If you disassemble older photo lenses they prob have a combination of these.
banger content, you are the ONLY youtuber that I have heard say anything about 120hz not having enough detail due to the bandwidth limit. everyone else says its fine. Your attention to detail is amazing. I recommend using virtual desktop for the quest instead of airlink, especially for radeon gpu's
btw you can set up to 800 megabits per second in the debug tool for link. you need to copy and paste anything above 500 in because it doesn't want you using above 500mbps
Star wars squadrons in vr was magical for the different cockpits aswell!
First time i played DCS World in VR that "drop" feeling hit me when i rolled the plane and looked over the side. Even though i knew i was in my office area, my brain thought i was at 2000 feet in the air. Amazing feeling
As someone who has used VR since it's modern revival, I can say nothing does cockpit games (space or racing/war) than a VR headset. There just is no comparison. It's the difference between pretending to be there vs almost really being there. In those games you are doing what you are in real life...sitting. and moving the arms as you are in game with a wheel or HOTAS.
How was your experience for other functionalities like watching Netflix, CZcams etc? I want to buy a VR headset and use it for watching movies and console gaming, so instead of spending 5k on a large oled tv I’m spending 500 on a headset. Though I’m not sure how practical this is, can I stream movies directly from my laptop to the headset and watch them in full resolution? Same thing for the ps5, can I plug it in my headset and get the full 4k 60fps (I know VR headsets are only 2k) from it?
@@Noname-iq1gz I mostly use it for gaming but two things but have used it for TV Shows/Movies and it is great but only really as a solo activity. I mostly watch movies with my wife so its pretty rare I use the headset for that. However, I do like watching concerts in VR...its like having a front row seat to your favorite artists. Especially with a good set of headphones overtop :)
@@rangerkayla8824 definitely get the elite strap or a similar 3rd party product. Takes care of the front heaviness and you can wear it for hours without problems.
@@rangerkayla8824@Noname-iq1gz You are forgetting the biggest advantage of having a VR headset attached to your head. You can watch it lying down in bed, in the couch, on the floor, upside down, etc.
My work in research has me on my feet all day, so getting to go home and lie down in bed watching Netflix with the VR headset is very comfortable and easy. I use AirLink (to stream my desktops display wireless to the headset). Then simply use the VR-controller as a mouse and visual keyboard and watch anything you like.
I strongly recommend it instead of a large TV, however, it is a solo-activity, so having a backup-TV is definetly a good choice as well.
Bro the McLaren and everything. He honestly deserves it, great videos and quality.
Heads up, if youre using a powerful sim racing wheel base with a direct drive motor, it may produce electromagnetic interference that can interfere with the lighthouse tracking system. I had this issue with a 8nm csl DD from Fanatec and the bigscreen beyond. I was able to solve this issue by wrapping the beyond cables around for toroid cores.
Imagine this big screen vr with Matt Armstrongs set up using the hydraulics and haptics.. would be insane!
Been waitin for this one 🔥🔥🔥
new optimum vid just dropped, good day to be alive xd
Im just addicted to the videos, rewatching them again and again...
VR is so ideal for sitting-down simulations like driving or flying... it's not perfect, but it is still way better than monitors. What we really need advancement in is getting your real hands in virtual world.
I've had the original oculus rift for about seven years now and I still use it. I don't get a lot of free time so I haven't invested in a new setup yet, but I'm leaning toward the bigscreen for sure. I would like to see camera pass through and higher FOV and better lenses, but everything else sounds about perfect.
One thing to mention is that Quest 3 isn't just a display. It is a full standalone experience that you can use outside simracing. Bigscreen HAS to be connected to your PC all the time to run anything.
I have a Simagic Alpha + FX wheel + P1000 pedal setup and I run it on my Quest 3. It is basically there cause the fov makes it seem like you have a helmet on. It's the GPUs that need some catching up to do now
PCVR > Standalone.
@@Skrenja Depends on use cases. Sure, for objective stats like frame rate, resolution and such, PCVR wins, but if I want to play a game in the living room (or the garden), standalone is still more convenient. No tracking setup, no wires to an external device.
But for anything stationary, PCVR will win hands down.
@@BramKaandorp I agree, the quest 3 is insane for the money. These products are honestly so different, they almost can't be compared. Its like comparing a laptop to a 4k monitor.
That intro music really hyped the vid up
VR is now really evolving.I have oculus 3 for now and will wait another 2-3 years for a top one.
I have a foldable Sim Racing Rig. So there is no space for any monitor setup. vR is the perfect solution to put the chair anywhere next to my PC and just race :) Got myself a Quest 3 yesterday. Super excited now!
I see you don't miss leg day too. On ya brother. Legend
Happened to get my Beyond this spring and I 98% agree with you, but about the glare in the bottom seems odd🤔
As the head strap swivel is located in a slightly higher place on the HMD, your strap should sit roughly 20~30 degrees higher than you seem to wear in the video.
I had worse halos and glares before I notice it but went much better since I realized to wear it "shallower" to my head.
I played a bit of Assetto, Cars 2, and a few others in VR on the Meta before I sent it back. It's definitely next level for SIM being able to look over the hood or look around, but I ran into compatibility issues with everything else I do. The biggest difference in SIM racing screen vs VR is with a screen, you progressively get better the longer you play, whereas in VR you're usually fastest on your first few runs. I retired from IT after thirty years, so I still use a screen for a LOT of other things VR can’t do. I'd love to offer to buy one of those curved ones, but retired also means broke. If you can get a rig that has some motion to it, like a 3-6 axis platform from Next Level, you'll get really immersed in VR SIM racing.
Love my quest 3 for iRacing. Along with my D-Box motion platform it really feels like you are in the race!
You can allow more bandwidth over the USB of the Quest 3 by using Oculus Debug Tool, and even wireless with WiFi 6E you can have a really good experience in 120hz without so much compression artefacts by by-passing the bandwidth limit
This doesn't compute with actual science behind encoding video streams. Even at max possible bit rate compression artifacts are present and if you go above 500 in oculus debug tool you end up with higher latency and latency spikes.
I race in 120hz and thought I had no issues. What would compression artefacts look like in racing? I do notice a bit of shimmering on certain tracks, not sure if that’s something else
My boy really owns a goddam McLaren !! Well done !!
same for flight simmers, looking around the fenix a320, reaching out physically to push overhead buttons is super cool. But you need a strong PC and to be patient because msfs2020 have a half assed vr implementation and it takes some work and rebinding.
I am so glad I bought my first VR Headset with MQ3. Havin a blast racing.