Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review
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We had almost completely lost faith in the progress of consumer VR products... until the Valve Index arrived at our office.
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Oculus Rift S, anyone? Linus forgot to mention it entirely!!!!!!! No need for extra cameras at all, for $ 400, it’s a good VR headset...
Oculus said they would send one, then ghosted. While I was waiting, this came out. All in good time.
Linus giving them the cold shoulder, good move.
i refunded the oculus rift s, didnt rlly like it, the wmr is much better
Phillipe i agree with you I have the oculus rift s and with the limited amount of space I have it works perfectly for my predicament because of the use of the inside out track as opposed to the outside in with the base stations. I really enjoy not having to do all of the routing for the base station and not having a super long drawn out setup of the rift s. I feel like it is being overlooked by many because people are complaining about the tracking abilities but I have not had any issues with the tracking of the rift s and for 400$ it’s a steal for the specs and everything that comes with it
@@LinusTechTips wait because oculus didnt send you one, u didnt mention it in the video?! just buy it like everyone else dont be cheap
12:55 That cat is literally Linus in Cat form.
Yes!
Yep
That clip shows well why I love cats but hate having one in my home... (that and tracking kitty grit everywhere)
Linux Cat Tips.
I imagine socks and sandles patterned mittens.
3:32 Wow, it's awfully kind of Valve to include a free cat with every headset!
So it’s alive?
@@bertoandon9681 or is it?
@@harrisroberts7912 🤣
I already have 3 cats, so this was a deal-breaker for me. A shame really.
Timóteo André please, three’s not nearly enough 😂
*VRChat players:* I'm _broke._
*Also VRChat players:* So this is my new Index and full body.
This is sadly true (I’m not one btw)
lmaoo
Exactly!! They are all depressed 20 year old Americans that always say they’re broke when they have high range tech!!
@@delsi26 they are broke because they splurged their money on the high tech
Mummy n daddy have a 5 bedroom house behind a gate and they want to act broke hard done by or ghetto lol whats wrong with just being yourself these days
*"I still do wish it was more of a strapon experience"*
~Linus 2019
It comes with a free cat?! SOLD!!!!
Same thing my ex wife said!
@@michaelchow385 lmao copied comment but who cares 😅
You should put a time stamp on that lol
And then not long after he was saying the headphone jack was “deep in that hole” 😂
"I still do wish it was more of a strap-on experience"
The rumors were already out there, but thanks for confirming Linus.
"...deep inside that hole, there..."
Legend
All the many things Linus says that can be taken out of context...
Maybe more that his target audience is 13 to 30+ mostly men 😄
14:07 ... the instinct ...
3:33 "the brand new Valve cat"
rip the cat, their nanny put in the the clothes dryer and it died.
Justin my bad i thought it was the same cat both times
Gaben send that cat
Valve cat at 3:33, Half life 3 confirmed!
@@lucashurley7612 That was Shadow, the one knocking everything down at the beginning.
18:00 linus' reflection in the index is gold
Omg, how the hell did you notice that... that's gold 🤣
Hey man, this video is what convinced me to go for the Index. I finished building my new PC on new years day, and my headset arrived this past friday. No prior VR experience.
I'm blown away. So, completely blown away by it all. It's felt intuitive enough considering this is my first experience, minimal to no motion sickness pending the game. Thank you for this incredible video!!
Hey! What are your specs? And how does it run the index
Hope you aren't still stuck in Gaben's queue for one and hope it cooperates with you. Coming from a DK2, Oculus Rift, OG Vive, and a Quest owner, the Index is just perfect. The biggest thing NOT mentioned in the video, incase you have tried another headset, is the Field of View for up and down is ALSO higher. This is why games like HL: Alyx has more things on the floor and on tables: you can just look with your eyes whereas in most other headsets, you HAVE to look down due to the FOV being smaller.
I'm testing an index right now for work purposes and my God. First VR experience and it's just mind blowing. This is completely worth the $1000 and now I'm considering buying one myself. Rig is only 2 970s in SLI and a 1700x at stock no overclock but it's been buttery smooth so far. Definitely though the 970s are the limiting factor. Looking at a 3080 right now which should completely remove any limitations.
Damn y’all got me thinking about pulling the trigger on the index lol
@@Always-Decent I was thinking the same, but I'm going to wait to see if the Decagear delivers. Still sounds too good to be true, but I still hope I'm proven wrong. HP Rerverb G2 visuals with Index-like full finger tracking controllers, inside out tracking, $50 wireless optional addon, and all for $450?!?!?!?! Super skeptical, but crossing fingers, toes, and anything else I can get to cross lol. If it comes to fruition it could be what creates the tidal wave of people adopting VR.
1990: dont sit to close to the tv itll hurt your eyes
2020: you have to stop when the screen touches your eyelashes
Well, technically lenses.
EverythingMTG that is a boomer meme
LCD screens also aren't radiation strobelights like old CRTs
@@Denamic Precisely
That was always an old wives tale. It never hurt your eyes like they said, its just that we have binocular vision so our eyes want to adjust to changing distances on screens, and since the screen is a constant distance away your eyes get tired from looking at it
It comes with a free cat?! SOLD!!!!
i'll take 10
3:33 Confirmed.
the cat is probably worth $999 and the device itself is $0.99
this needs a pin, honestly.
why would it come with a cat
". . .now depending on what you're doing in VR, they do leak a fair bit of sound."
good to know - don't want anyone hearing the girls ;)
My friend that’s something that will leak sound oof
Lol
60% "Strap on Expierience" 11:59
39% "OH CAT LOL" 3:33
1% Hard Editing work LOL! 12:46
Pepperoni
@@Ricky_1531 I disagree
Should've been 69% strapon experience
100% reason to remember the name
Pepperoni
I still do wish that it was more of a strap-on experience - Linus 2019 11:59
I was just about to make the exact same comment hahaha
I was just going to say "Thats what she said"
I just deleted my comment :(
maybe he could buy one for his wife to use on him?
Now everyone knows he prefers the strap-on experience. that line was hilarious I wonder who wrote it cause they need a raise
Linus doesn't even care he got a free kitty with his order...
@Kenny Kaufman ikr
Everytime he cut the video he pet the cat
@Kenny Kaufman no
Cats love boxes. It's science.
yes
Just ordered the valve index myself. cant wait for it to come in, honestly im stoked on the free purring machine the description left out.
How is it?
did you get it and what is your opinion about the valve index?
bump i wanna know your opinion about it aswell please write back whenever you are freely available thank you!
burp
Linus: Wait, vr isn't dead?
Valve: Never has been.
Cat breaks something.
Linus: "I know. You're only doing what daddy taught you."
The final test for the cat will be dropping an AMD GPU.
@@MarkSKristensen no not expensive enough. It should drop a titan rtx
Is Linus just the Tim Taylor of Tech?
@@MarkSKristensen No the final test is dropping a Xeon Platinum
Did Linus train the cat or did the cat train Linus? I mean cats are experts in dropping stuff from birth on.
Linus when he sees the box: “it’s a box”
The cat when it sees the box: “it’s free real estate”
XD best one like that yet
3:32 RANDOM CAT POPPING OUT OF NOWHERE!!!!
Wait, what? You don’t know Adult Swim?
You fuck, I love it lol
Schrodingers cat when it sees the box: "I'm dead"
I came looking for this review and I am actually extremely happy you talked so much about your wife's motion sickness while using the index. This pushed me over the edge between getting an index vs a quest 2 hoping i won't get motion sick.
Came back to this video 3 years later because we're still waiting for the next-gen Valve headset! Hopefully it'll be soon!
OMG, is this the collab with that Linus Cat Tips channel we have all been waiting for???
Wonder why he ever stopped back in the day
@@scottm6018 I think both Rumble and Rocket are gone. It's hard to make videos about cats when you don't have any cats around.
@@cl4ster17 they really was the best videos about back then 😂
@@cl4ster17 Linus has a cat.
Loved his review on the new Lazer pen with liquid cooling
3:31 Just casually shipped a cat lol
-Linus using the cat for views-
*Cat using Linus for views.*
Corrected it for ya, bruh.
LinusCatTips is a great channel BTW
@@AM-dc7pv Good one
um is that number right that many likes in that much time my most was 2 likes one like was from me XD
@@AM-dc7pv yep then it buys cat food hehe and takes over the world like in boss baby series
12:59 “You have got to be KITTY-ing me...”
Im sorry
It truly is stunning to see how far VR has come in the past two years, regardless of Facebook
For better or worse, the Quest 2 is one of the main reasons VR has grown exponentially over the last year and a half.
"I still do wish that it was more of a strap on experiance.." xD
I wanna say stop but... my god that’s funny please keep going
One step closer to Linus Sex Tips
He he he I saw this coming as soon as I herd him
d k oml dude when I saw this comment he was saying that sentence and we read it and Sayed it at the same time 😂
69 likes :D
Not gonna lie, I paid more attention to the cat than Linus.
The cat game is strong in his home videos... :D
Haha
The cat knows the value of the box.
Linus cat tips
What's the kitteh's name? That's not Shadow.
in 20 years from now I can see someone looking back at this video and laughing at this antique.
Already feels like that now, the quest 2 is a fucking great VR headset with no camera set up or wires and it’s like 300 bucks
@@ufo5587 apparently you can balance the ipds between the switches so in between each setting
@@ufo5587 use sidequest to increase resolution also.
One could only hope! I hope it does get better than this!
18:23 I have a lot of critic for Valve as a whole but this is kind of proves their character even after all these years. Other companies would slap a big "UP TO BLANK FOV" on the box but Valve doesn't because they don't know what setting you are most comfortable with which is the most important thing for VR.
I had no idea that you were into a strap on experience. Not judging.
your beard is off the hook!!!
I heard him say that and went straight to the comments hahaha
getting slightly worried about Linus
11:59 for those that need quick access for memes. Yer welcome. ;D
@@bamula2 Same
Are we gonna ignore the cat in the box when he opened it
Yes
@@yknow4949 no
Came looking for this comment
Steam really knows Linus cat in box is his favorite position...
i just came to the comments about that!
Awesome to hear the rate up, I see very fast as well and I'm happier to see that than texture and vector numbers going up.
HOLY SHIT THANK YOU!!! I never realized what I was doing differently with swinging my arm until you said "badminton player, not a tennis player". I am/was as well and I usually flick my wrist and hadn't been able to figure out what was going wrong.
12:02 Linus is wishing for a strap-on experience.
I came to the comments for the strap on experience.
D me too
@@anxplodinturtle7928 you want to be 'D'ed as well?
@@dalton1824 took more scrolling than i initially thought
@@mistakenotou7681 same, I almost lost hope.
"Strap-On"
"Deep inside that hole"
Careful, Linus, CZcams's AI will catch you!
"depending on what you're doing in vr, you might not want other people to be able to hear"
@@fortunefed8719 i thought he replied to himself.
A strap on experience
i stopped at that point...
i was... okay i will get fucked by that device
INDEX - more a trap on experience - deep inside that hole...
This man was calling me broke for 23 minutes straight.
Why are you and me still here after a year what are we doing
@@brandon8384 are you okay?
@@aparkedcar9704 are YOU okay?
@@PottyShidder are you?
Idk but I’m still here
If you want to adjust the virtual controller position I suggest downloading OVR Input Emulator (The SteamVR add on) because you can customise the output position to follow the controller's and is literally clean as anything, suggesting trying for valve beat saber players
Note: This is a tip btw I'm not advertising
For Beat Saber there is a mod called "Saber Tailor" that allow you to change the angle of the sabers, I find it really needed after switching to the new controllers.
Yeah I had a mod kit before, but curiously after switching to the index it disappeared. Was gonna look into it when I have a free evening.
Linus Tech Tips if you grip the index controllers further in the back and slightly rotated they work perfectly. For me they then feel more like sabers and actually kinda awesome.
@@sbogdoggy I can concur with this.
THANK GOD.
@@LinusTechTips mods have to be reinstalled after each update. Just make sure you are using ModAssistant and not the old beat saber mod manager
12:00 "I do prefer the strap on experience"
Of course you do Linus
BUTT! he said right after
The profile pic and the comment sells this so hard
Yvonne loves it too
Erik Bakker I was thinking the exact same thing 😂😂😂
I’m glad to see that at least 360 other people had the same thought
I am so glad that you made this video. You basically answered a question I had about something that just happened like about an hour ago. Real lifesaver. If I ever hit that Powerball I will have to hire you when I do the computer stuff.
"Maybe VR isn't dead after all"
Me: *Throws* *something* *across* *the* *room*
Dude what
@@feelingfriskyx560 TLDR: No, no it's not remotly dead.
@@souporwormgaming yeah its just not funny
12:00 of course Linus would want it to be like a strap-on experience
great minds think alike.
Right as I heard it, I went straight for the comments lmao
“I pulled some strings...” and had it shipped to a buddy right across the border
We all know that it was really the cat that pulled the strings.
3:35 I love that there is a complementary cat that comes with the VR headset. The cat alone is worth the purchase for me.
3 years later and I’m still using my vive while I wait for an index wireless adapter
nofio vr adapter
I like wired
"I know you're only doing what daddy taught you"
You mean dropping expensive electronics?
Shadow is the goodest boi
No reply?
@@n_aniki Apparently not :(
@@SeaIify Ikr
@@n_aniki reply
@@CrystalRoots102 Ok
Cat: Hippity hoppity the box is now my property
If it fits it sits...
Each Index ships with its own Shroddinger's Cat, wave function undefined
I watch a lot of VR headset reviews. Many many. But I have never watched one on the Valve Index. I have never used one, either. I feel old. I am old. I enjoy your VR reviews. Providing information and details as you experience them for the first time creates a fluid presentation that your typical VR user can follow.
I plan on buying this in a few weeks needed a review thanks ltt
13:20 "You're only doing what Daddy taught you."
And you taught him well Linus. He's dropping expensive equipment like a professional. :)
linus the one youtuber that can fool an ad on me with his transitions lmao!
3:32
Hey Linus, so I bought my Valve Index but it didn't come with a cat. I was wondering if this was a special edition or offer that is now off? It's not highly important but I am still interested.
🤣🤣 @3:33 "let's talk about....." Yes Linus let's talk, talk about that poor cat you've been keeping packed away in the box hahaha 🤣
is the cat included ? If yes - I need one !!!
1000 USD for a cat, totally worth it :)
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣BROOO THATS SO FUNNY 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It was meant to elicit this exact kind of comment.
This was a fresh unboxing, so kitty is confirmed mixed reality, without even the need to put on the headset. Valve stepping it up with disposable holographics!
"A strap on experience" ;-)
Linus Sebastian 2019
12:00
Whattej? Never tried Frick Dungeon?
Delos Inc.
"A strap on experience... But(t)"
Linus Sebastian 2019
Just got mine in yesterday! Had a Vive, but this is a HUGE jump.
13:12 Man, I miss Shadow :'(
Linus: You need a powerful gaming PC wich is gonna cost you anywhere from 1000 to 1500 or even 2000$
also Linus: plays with a 980Ti
Powerful at 1000 bucks is a steal imo
980ti maybe 2 gens behind but it still packs a punch
Heck he probably already has the parts, just doesn't feel the need.
@@Starwarman1 It's the same as a 1660 ti
@@Dylan-vm3fl
ya me too, in that same exact case he has
>censors middle finger;
>continues with gory gladiator fights
lol
0cube that’s the CZcams algorithm for you.
#justmuricanthings ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
That censored bit was so lame, what a prude
@@lptomtom it's because of Americans :)
Crazy isn't it
When you get a pulsway ad with Linus in it and it takes you 15 seconds to realize that it was an ad and not the video
Just paid for my full kit, finally....Ordered March 29 lol. Hype!
How much all together minus the pc?
JJ W 999 usd for the full kit
You know what else is amazing about the Valve Index ? Full Linux support from day 1.
thank you based gaben
tbh it be stupid on valves site, not to support linux as they have their own distro.
Gaben to gamers is what Stallman is to open source advocates
Ovr, the power of open source software. I hate Oculus.
Yeah, its awesome.
3:34
Linus: unboxes the VR headset
Dash (cat in the box): **meow**
Where was my cat in my box? I got cheated from Valve!
@@minisithunknown5568 It was a story from LTT before :)
linus ty so much i was struggling on wht vr headset to buy and u saved me ty
just got my index yesterday as im writing this all i can say as someone upgrading from a rift s all i can say is that its a must buy anyone looking for a good pc vr headset and has a large wallet just go for the index its an amazing headset
can confirm, the controllers, fov, and audio of the index is something every headset needs
3:33 I didn’t know the cat came with the valve index
Omg 😳
Mine didn’t come with one
@@greenmario9518 ye it's a limited edition release, collab with peta
Linus tech tips the type of guy to invite you over to his house to play games and never give you a turn
fact
Thats a doug demuro meme not a linus meme
And that’s a fact
Awww, I love your kitten Linus!
It passed away two years ago unfortunately
controller idea; the ropes have a cog gear with controlled pressure sensors to map to grabbing weighted iteams. heavier the iteam, stronger the strap pulls away from controller where you're holding (grip strength)
4:40 Cat: Wow, new box for me. Let;s review it.
Linus always wants the strap-on experience.
as soon as I heard it: ctrl + f - "strap".
The roast told us, Yvonne's the one wearing the strap-ons ;)
Love u Yvonne. You're doing a great job at LTT.
12:52 When the cat climbed up I instantly said oh no here we go
There’s a mod called SaberTweakes you can get which lets you alter stuff like sabre angle and length - could help with the unnatural angle
“I really wish this was a strap-on experience”
the future of VR will amazing, maybe a bit of a pain in the ass. Butt don’t you worry ;)
"pain in the ass" god the pun
@james braselton bro you good?
Vrchat EPR yo
Stay strapped
@@vukcurovic2770 And "Butt don't you worry"
"i still wish that is was more of a strap-on experience" - Linus Sebastian 2019
Kinky.
#LinusSexTips
This
12:30 it's like deep inside that hole
Omg, once I heard him say it... Came into the comments looking for it.
I just ordered my index a few days ago. I can’t wait!
Be ready to wait for 10 more months
@@youhavebeenfailingforhowlo1521 yeah it came earlier than expected and was signed for by "MMMM" who i don't know but it is the best vr experience i have tried and i have tried a lot
Hope you like it! But do be a bit careful with it as I have heard many reports of durability issues, so just be mindful about it and you should be fine.
When he puts the strap up he is absolutely crushing the cable that is connected to his pc. Also the strap isn’t my personal favorite and that’s why I got the elite strap for my quest 2 even with the history about them.
12:44
*Blurs out middle finger*
*Doesn't blur out second middle finger*
How come you got a cat with yours? I didn't get a cat! VALVE! MOM!!?!
The cat is free but you had to check the box during purchase
-Gaben
Remember when Gaben gave out his steam password to show off the steam guard's "amazing capabilities" when he was legit showing fucking 2-step authorisation. Once you find his email password, that will be all it takes to fuck him.
No one:
The cats: If it fits, it sits
3:32 are we just gonna forget that the cat was just chillin there
Linus: Builds a living room set.
Also Linus: Shoots videos in his actual living room.
i like that fact you see stuff in an actual home setting. its not clinical like when its done in a 'lab' for want of a better word.
Me: So what do you think of our relationship, is there anything I can do better.
My girlfriend: 11:56
underated comment
hmmm
Underrated
Funny
Hah, lmao. Best comment.
7:35
cant wait for the vive index to release
Wow the production quality since the recent changes is noticeably better and relaxed..😂
Can't wait to see Shadow's review of Spice&Wolf VR
A man of culture I see
Linus: blurrs a middle finger.
Also Linus: show a head being chopped off, blood splatter from enemies...
Lol
We know the decapitation and blood is make believe but that finger.... that finger is real.
@@sonnikdoh2510 Horrifying finger*
American priorities
@@nommchompsky Linus and LMG are based in Canada...
18:34 I wore down the tip of my eyelashes slightly to get the lenses closer when I got mine. Playing Elite Dangerous on the Index is so fun.
3:32 "The kit includes also a free cat"
linus house tour: hosted by cat
WHEN
Hey Linus. If your wife is having motion sickness issues I highly recommend spending some time evaluating your graphics pipeline. I recently got an Index myself and started having motion sickness again (though I hadn't experienced it since my original DK2). And personally, I'm running a 1080 TI.
Some things I recommend you try:
1. Get an app called fpsVR from Steam and run it before the game. Check to make sure your frame rates really are what you think they are. Some of the tech in SteamVR can make you think there are more frames than they are, but this tech can also wreak havoc on those that suffer from simulator sickness.
2. Open Steam VR settings and pay attention to the performance metrics. Especially pay attention to Reprojection and Motion Smoothing. If your rig is not able to keep up with the refresh rate of the display (90, 120 or 144) it will drop into one of these two modes.
3. Reprojection is the worst because it's having to reuse old frames. This is also seen as Judder. But I personally believe that even Motion Smoothing was making me sick. Motion Smoothing tries to create new frames based on path prediction. But if, for example, you quickly turn your head, you may end up with a frame drawn on the predicted path rather than the actual path. I believe this is what was making me sick. I recommend turning Motion Smoothing OFF and reducing your quality settings until you hit the target frame rate.
4. Check your quality settings. Both under the Frame Timing AND under the Application tab. If Frame Timing is 150% (the default recommended value for the Valve Index, BTW), all games will run at 150% even if their Application settings are at 100%. My 1080 TI was struggling to keep up with the default 150% metric, which was dropping it into Motion Smoothing. Again, I recommend turning OFF Motion Smoothing and turning your quality settings down (in-game, in the Steam VR settings or both) until your hardware can hit the target without assitance.
5. Pick the right balance between 120 Hz and 144 Hz. 144 Hz will help with simulator sickness but at the cost of visual fidelity. If your wife is especially susceptible you might want to choose 144 Hz over the graphics quality. But that will be a balance that's up to her.
6. Consider a graphics card upgrade. I will be switching to a 2080 TI soon, but even the much cheaper 2080 Super would allow you to render significantly more visual fidelity while also maintaining 144 Hz.
Best of luck. I feel her pain, so do let us know what you find and I hope she's able to enjoy VR soon without the sickness!
4:49 Cat: Dang, what a comfy box, xD
11:59 don't worry Linus, we already figured that out.
"You're Only Doing What Daddy Taught You... But We Don't Do That." -- Linus 2019
Oh God, that sounds _so bad_ out of context.
"I really like the Strap-on experience" - Linus 2019
So did Linus just say he doesn't drop stuff? That's a big lie...
@@gloigord3047 I guess he just meant that "we shouldn't drop stuff" despite him setting the wrong example for the cat by dropping stuff himself.
I like how Linus says he “anchored” his cord, when really he just put it under the foot of his entertainment unit.
You know what anchors do right?
I also particularly like the 'held together with electrical tape' look - presumably a legacy of a previous, unsuccessful experiment in 'anchoring'....
I don't think he set the cable under the leg seemed it was maybe a loop of cloth/velcro or tape. This is a must for me even now I dont want to strain the cables at the ports so I use a velcro loop to anchor mine.
Vr has now been on the edge of death for 4 years. Hooray!!
Linus my man your set up =⭐️ my set up is literally a laptop and my room 😢
Pets DO take after their owners.
"I wish it was more of a Stap-on experience" - Linus 2019.
Strap*
Taldren Linus Sex Tips
Don't forget deep inside.
I love the way the cat is just like “help me!”
your cat had me at gun point he made me subscribe