THE BEYOND. After 4000 hours.. GOODBYE VALVE INDEX.
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2023
- This is my review of the BigScreen Beyond. After using it for the past month.. I have a LOT to say.
This little screen packs a big package.
So happy after 4 years with the Valve Index to finally move on. But.. it's not for everyone. Quite physically.
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THIS HEADSET IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. And that's okay. Of course I wish It had a wider field of view and face tracking and eye tracking, but for now.. for a V1.. the BigScreen Beyond is so freakin good. I love that we have a VR market where things like a Pimax headset, Quest 2, Pico 4 etc can all coexist. So many bright things for VR's future.
Let me know what you think!
It's extremely impressive and as always good stuff ThrillSeeker.
This is an amazing headset, I have always wanted a light pc vr headset!
time to throw a giant music festival in vr
Not for someone who wears glasses
Lets hope V2 or V3 would solve it.
I like how small it is. I wouldn’t accidentally smack the thing while playing.
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Lol I saw your last comment
@@Dr.PandaUndergradNiko :3
another mars comment another pancake reply
That's what she said
If it weren't for the price tag I would definitely get this thing I hope we can improve on this design and make it cheaper
Honestly, it might just get there. It's very compelling.
It's literally just a tiny screen in a goggle with a cable connection and mic, it's suprising it isn't under 500 dollars to be honest. So yeah, I'd definitely think it'll get far cheaper in the future.
@@alifelessrock48its the compact form which makes it expensive
@@alifelessrock48 Having to custom manufacture each one to a person’s face definitely strains the budget a bit. I think it could get to sub 500 at some point if it’s successful enough
Ya the cost is largely it's biggest draw back. It looks fantastic and light. If they can make it more affordable some day, I'd gladly drop my many year used index.
VR is getting closer and closer to the form factor of FPV goggles and I'm 100% here for it.
yessss
One day, vr will probably be a pair of glasses that you can just walk around everywhere with, and I'm here for it.
that already exists sorts theres meta rayban glasses and the apple vision pro which is like the clostest thing@@empyrealeagle4766
These remind me of the goggles from ready player one
Would love to see your top 5 most-played VR games / experiences!
#1: porn
#2: porn
#3: hentai
#4: porn
#5: Hotdogs Horseshoes & Handgrenades
I'm sure top 1 is VRChat
I feel like Skyrim VR is really up there now
I think he's made one!
Nothing. There are literally 5 games you can mention that worth to play and even those are very limited and slow compared to what you got used to during normal gaming. Half Life Alyx is fine, but the graphics quality is way behind nowadays games (and it is not my settings, I am playing it on a 3080). Same goes for Star Wars games. They are looking good at first, but after 10 minutes you will realize how empty those games are, how limited the graphics and how limited the action because of VR.
In my opinion VR right now only good gaming-wise if you are playing simulation games like a car racing or Flight Simulator, Star Wars Squadrons or maybe No Man's Sky (haven't tried with VR but since I put hundreds of hours into that game without VR I can imagine how it would be like).
VR has stagnated for a long time now, pretty much nothing has happened since the quest 2, but this finally feels like a good step forward. shrinking down the headsets is probably the number 1 priority imo, it really doesn't matter how good your headset is if it feels like a massive brick strapped to your face. the idea of being able to put on a headset as fast as putting on a pair of glasses and having pretty much 0 discomfort would be amazing
PSVR2?
disagreed, FOV and face tracking should be the biggest priorities rn
@Skrenja If the VR community were to make a mod that makes the PSVR2 work like a native PCVR headset, then I'd want to try that.
God Bless!!!!
@@SnrubSource Make I ask why face tracking should be a priority? Thanks in advance for the answer!!!!
@@SnrubSourceeye and face tracking is really only important for social VR, though. Social VR is obviously important, but I don't believe eye/face tracking is currently the most important improvement to gain more mainstream appeal. There's eye-tracked foveated rendering, but that's over-hyped, since it only gives about a 10-15% boost to performance. A headset with AR capabilities that barely feels like you're wearing anything but glasses will bring VR to the masses. People will work in them and eventually even wear them in public. Give it time. Face tracking will be standard in a few years. There are just more important things that need to be improved first.
I've been watching this headset for a while, having gutted a Quest-2 and made a custom face interface with no light leak - weight and size is major. My current max runtime is 5.5 hours before my face hurts. Hearing you were able to stay in VR for TEN HOURS without discomfort gives me tremendous hype.
How do you gut a quest 2
I am extremely interested
@@heelylife TLDR: Print a new frame, remove the battery, void your warranty, move heatsinks to the outside. Wouldn't recommend. It's jank and very sharp.
Wtf 5.5 hours??? Have some outside of the house fun please
@@Lagoat8 overated
@@Lagoat8 it's kind of hard to do in some places. I live miles outside of the city where I go to school which has 600 residents. There isn't a single recreational activity to do in town and you have to go to another city to even find anything, but there isn't really a lot for a teenager to do in the bigger cities nearby either. Pretty much everyone I know spends their free time at bars, but being an 18 year old that isn't an option. I spend a lot of time thinking about what I could do, and there's legitimately nothing. The only thing I go to town for is to work out for an hour or two. There's nothing else here. The internet is the only thing I can do with my free time other than maybe to just spend hours a day on my own in the woods or some shit (which is fun with friends, but not really a good use of time when you're alone in my opinion). I'd rather just sit at home and watch youtube videos and try to learn something or distract myself with video games. I have friends but we hardly ever hang out (maybe once every month or so) and when we do we just sit on our phones and do nothing.
My point is there aren't "outside" things for a lot of people. Being in nature just for the sake of it can be nice but I think it can be a waste of time if you're not doing it for a particular reason. It also isn't really a great idea when you live in Idaho like me and it's windy and in negative temperatures for the almost 5-month winter we just had. Learning to build a shelter is a decent reason and is something I'm going to try and do with my friends next time we go camping, now that it's summer, but there isn't really anything I can think of aside from that that I can do by myself outside. There is very very little to do in the real world when you don't have friends to do stuff with, and it's pretty depressing honestly. I'm just looking forward to when I can join the Army so I can finally have a purpose in life and not just be coasting everywhere I go
I can see Bigscreen being acquired by one of the big companies in its future with them producing devices like this.
Just hope it's not Meta
@@arcticfox037 guaranteed it's gonna be meta, and sadly everyone is going to be okay with it
@@roboteen aren't meta seemingly pivoting away from metaverse stuff?
Gets bought by a big company, and then dissolved. Hope they stay independent
@@whigmalwhim4760 - Yeah, I'd rather they didn't get acquired by Meta, but sometimes being acquired can be a good thing.
As long as they can compete and keep producing good products like this, I'd rather they were independent too.
Thank you! You make perfect and honest reviews which are always so interesting to watch with great quality. You are perfect at video making, always very entertaining and very informative. Thank you a ton!
As someone with severe chronic pain condition whose had a headache lasting 10+ years and can't even wear sunglasses on the brightest of days anymore because any pressure on my skin causes me migraines, I'm so excited VR is getting smaller. I'm bedbound 98% of the year and the miracle of VR is here and I'm stuck in my bed and I can't even experience it yet. So excited this trend continues and in a 5/10+ years there'll be a headset that I can personally wear for the duration that usual people are able to spend in VR. Very excited.
Are you me?? Literally have the exact same situation- except it hasnt been 10 years ive been bed bound, its been 6. I also cant wait for the future of lightweight vr either :]
I can't wait for you both to be able to experience the technology properly. The potential for VR as a tool for therapeutic escapism and social interaction for disabled people is wonderful. My situation isn't as significant as yours, but I've spent the past ten years living with a physical disability that has limited my ability to move and travel the way I used to, and VR has been such an amazing way for me to get out of the house and meet people.
What does it mean to be bedbound?
@@kimzy4248 that's both sad and devastating but also a tiny bit heartwarming both that I'm not alone in what I'm going through, and that in this next decade a whole bunch of the most severely disabled people are going to be invited into the conversation and the many different worlds and experiences that have just been inaccessible previously.
@@Jallu555 probably different things to different people disabilities are vast and varied. For me, 100 per cent of my days are made up with the majority spent in bed or the bathroom. Even just sitting on a couch for an hour can begin a migraine for me and pain snowballs and becomes hard to stop. I'm able to get out once or twice a month on my best days but only for brief windows and not doing anything extraneous.
THIS is what im excited for in VR and what ive been waiting for. It is a hard sell without having base stations or controllers but im keeping my eye on this. I also want them to release a way to print your own face shield and adjustments if you want to.
Or one for a Friend.
@@WoodysAR Yeah that was my thoughts exactly. Or if you wanted to sell it.
At the very least, you'll be able to order face gaskets independently of the HMD
If you don't already come from a valve index and are on team apple then this is such a hard pass.
You'd have to buy a I phone for the face tracking (which is beyond stupid any phone can do that not just overpriced apple products)
You'd need to buy base stations AND index controllers. And have your room big enough to accommodate the base stations.
So it would already cost way over it's already very high 1k price.
And what about other things I see no one mention? What if you got it then lost a lot of weight or got insanely jacked since? Those can radically change your face shape. Would it then cease to fit you at all? Would it then partially fit you but now have light leak? Would it be impossible to remain in the sweet spot?
Seems like it would be the ultimate downfall of such a device. Not to mention if you need glasses then your eyes can change and the prescription you'd get these would with time no longer be your correct ones if you're under 30 yo as your eyes can change still that far out.
That combined with the possible facial changes from life style would turn this from one of the most custom and comfortable headsets to perhaps nearly unusable.
That and no wireless capability defeats some of the purpose behind the minimalist design in regards to how much tech is on your face. If these are going for that glasses feel they need to not require a wire.
Also no built in audio sucks. It would just feel like a incomplete unit and all your audio experience would come down to how good your headphones are, requiring another investment of money just to use this thing.
And self tracking is such a standard now that needing base stations feels incredibly outdated.
I think I'll wait for them to fix some of these with a beyond 2 if it ever makes it to that before I even think about this headset.
@@thedoomslayer5863 Index? You are forgetting the entire HTC Vive family, that started it all! Also Pimax userbase all woumd have basestations. *As long as it works with Revision 1 Basestations,* that is more than enough user base to justify a product, Vive user base, helped justify the Index! I bought the Index on day one, I got used V1 base stations and Vive controllers on ebay. Only late last year finally got the knuckles. I used my CV1 more than more Index back then, now I use my Rift S more then my Index!... Light and Simple usually wins the day for me. I guess I use Index when I want to really escape into VR fully. *Jet Island is still the best little VR game!*
YES! I was just seeing your announcement on this and the full review is what I was waiting for!!!!!!
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for.
I can’t play VR because I have never been able to “escape” into VR, I get sick because I’m constantly being pulled out.
This is it. This is what I've wanted. Small and Light VR. Now we just gotta hope this gets cheaper!
Small and light and requiring a cable and base stations + controllers. One step forward two steps backwards
@@Adam-ub4hb people refuse to look further than surface level into these things 💀
@@Adam-ub4hb What is your point? If you buy a valve index you also pay for base stations and controllers, if you buy a Quest 2 or Pico you also pay for controllers? I don't get what your point is here?
@ElmoPlays his point is; you're either already invested heavily in VR to even consider it, or you aren't getting it.
The PCVR crowd is slim, compared to the rapidly growing standalone market. The big screen beyond is nice, but its not going to be shattering any records, mostly just going to remain niche until it has the proper features that allow it to be successful.
@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 totally agree. It also being 90 fov and wired to me cancel out its form factor. You can make anything compact if you remove major components.
75 Hz seems low but it is incredible for such early iterations for MicroOLED, and rapid prototyping will ensure faster adoption and scaling for newcomers!
90hz with lossless compression
@@snerttt and the fact that 90hz is perceived much differently on micro oled
It feels like people are making excuses for its drawbacks...
@@perrinwillis4194 i think the form factor and comfort and contrast ratio are excellent excuses for the 90hz and persistence.
@@perrinwillis4194 The fact is, no one who is writing this off because of it's spec sheet has tried it, and most people who have are recommending it despite it. Either there is a grand conspiracy to boost the reception of the Bigscreen Beyond amoungst VR coverage heavyweights, or it's really that good of an experience to make up for the lower than average specifications. Make that of what you will.
Thank you thrill. Your realistic reviews are a breath of fresh air in the review world. You do an amazing job giving hype reviews without overselling or clickbaiting.
Thank You So Much! Awesome review. Very fair, and exactly the kind of info i needed ty ty. I also 100% agree with your Big Screen 2 wish list. - Gonna be a very interesting future.
As someone who moved from a quest one to an index within a year of my first vr headset, I realize the value good pcvr brings to the industry. While I may not have the 1000 just lying around, I do plan on buying it sooner or later. (probably sooner)
for me the poor refresh rate is the biggest issue. if they bumped it up i would consider it. Grey to Grey doesnt equal refresh rate regarding frames being drawn. if you suffer from any sort of motion sickness the lower refresh rate is going to cause major issues.
I barely play my quest 2 anymore... I won't be buying another VR set until they can integrate them with AR into a small form factor that normies can wear like a pair of glasses, but also do VR gaming with them when at home.
just wait for the steam deckard this thing right here is from an indie company you don't even know all the issues it's going to have. it also uses micro OLED but valves next headset will most likely use microled considering they invested in a company that makes them. microled is way better than OLED.
@@squirrelsinjacket1804 that's going to take a loooooooong time i would guess 30 years or more, atleast if it's wireless too
What price do you think is a good pc?
i want this just for dev work, the size and ease of putting it on and off looks awesome
This is very intriguing for me. Mainly because Ive always seen the nose gap, or face pain as a big drawback and a total break of immersion. This fixes nearly all the reasons Ive been hesitant to really do VR. But now I'm considering it more than ever.
Same, my forehead gets hot and sweaty and the screen would fog up all the time. I gave it up until i saw this.
If u are just starting remember, this headset requires 2 150$ and index controllers (200 per)
I hate the fact, that its €1.369,00 EUR, when its $999 US. Why? The US-Dollar is lower than the Euro, so it should be cheaper or the same, because of shipping, but I am not paying 400 € more for nothing.
For anyone doubting and being like “ooooh CLICKBAIT wahwah I bet he doesn’t use it and overhypes stuff”
As the gf. HE USES IT EVERY DAY. You can’t even understand how amazingly tiny it is until you see it in person. This thing is AWESOME 👏😎
Cool!
That's great for people who can afford it but as for the rest of us this thing is not worth over a thousand dollars. Not for two crappy displays and a half decent microphone. That's not even beginning to talk about how you have to have a specific high end phone brand in order to take a face scan, off brand base stations/controllers to properly use it and after all of that you get less features then even the quest offers. Until they lower the price on this marked up pair of goggles and make a consumer version with adjustable IPD and universal face mask, I'm not spending a penny on this thing.
idk who would doubt Thrill but i trust his word at all of it's value.
@@clientornaka4690 i mean, it's made to be as smol as possible. Of course it's not going to be consumer friendly, in the same way it's more expensive to buy a gaming laptop than an equivalent strength high end computer
That's what she said
I just think it's funny how a 4 year old headset can still be as good as any headset made today.
When Moore's Law died, that just became the reality of tech. Different things have to be pushed now.
That's Valve for you
@@TerkanTyr Moores law has literally nothing to do with hmd engineering other than driving displays. I'm confused as to what you are positing.
If you don't already come from a valve index and are on team apple then this is such a hard pass.
You'd have to buy a I phone for the face tracking (which is beyond stupid any phone can do that not just overpriced apple products)
You'd need to buy base stations AND index controllers. And have your room big enough to accommodate the base stations.
So it would already cost way over it's already very high 1k price.
And what about other things I see no one mention? What if you got it then lost a lot of weight or got insanely jacked since? Those can radically change your face shape. Would it then cease to fit you at all? Would it then partially fit you but now have light leak? Would it be impossible to remain in the sweet spot?
Seems like it would be the ultimate downfall of such a device. Not to mention if you need glasses then your eyes can change and the prescription you'd get these would with time no longer be your correct ones if you're under 30 yo as your eyes can change still that far out.
That combined with the possible facial changes from life style would turn this from one of the most custom and comfortable headsets to perhaps nearly unusable.
That and no wireless capability defeats some of the purpose behind the minimalist design in regards to how much tech is on your face. If these are going for that glasses feel they need to not require a wire.
Also no built in audio sucks. It would just feel like a incomplete unit and all your audio experience would come down to how good your headphones are, requiring another investment of money just to use this thing.
And self tracking is such a standard now that needing base stations feels incredibly outdated.
I think I'll wait for them to fix some of these with a beyond 2 if it ever makes it to that before I even think about this headset.
@thedoomslayer5863 first off. You can get the gaskets and lenses refitted to your new face and eyes at discounts unless its just sent to you. Then its free. Second. The reason it's so small is because it's hooked up to a pc. Third. Anyone trying to upgrade to pcvr needs to buy basestations so I don't see the fuss over it. I'm makeing the switch soon as I've been saving money. Unless the quest 3 delivers like Mark is saying. Or a new headset pops up with all the bells and whistles.
Yes! If this had eye tracking built in even and I could clip on face tracking I might like it. But if it came with both, I would be buying this already. I have broken Vive controllers so I would have to buy some knuckles too but I think this is getting closer to what I've wanted since 2018 when I got the Vive.
I'm really excited for this because I have an excessively large IPD and virtually no vr headsets give me a clear immersive experience, so seeing that this will make a custom fit makes me so excited.
As an Android user, I hate that the iPhone requirement for the face scan is only in the fine print.
yup, That's my only real complaint about this entire product. Everything else, I understand the choices they made, to get the form factor they wanted. But requiring an apple product to be able to buy this, is a deal killer for me. Sorry, I don't own any apple products anymore, and never will again. Too bad I don't have any friends with Iphones. Only people in my life that own an Iphone, is coworkers.
@@Fearmylogic ask a coworker?
Just get android brands to copy Face ID just like they do with anything else and problem solved, since it literally is the hardware that is missing
The early testers in the discord server unironically walked into an Apple Store and did it there since it only takes a couple of minutes. Just do that c;
No other phone has the software or hardware for it. It uses infrared scanning not just an selfie camera.
You want a good and consistence scan iphone is the only way to go.
I appreciate seeing just the consistency and quality of your vids. This was some news that I needed today. Lifted my spirits. Thank you!
6:48 I'd like to expand on this a little further for people not so familiar with display technologies. The topic of motion clarity is really nuanced and confusing and honestly not worth explaining to anyone. So I'll keep this as simple as I can. Motion clarity is essentially just a lack of blur. So a display with greater motion clarity, is one with less blur. I don't mean a setting in your display has motion blur enabled like in a video game. Motion clarity is something determined purely from the hardware of your display. You can visualise this by heading to the UFO test website, zooming in and tracking the UFOs with your eyes. You'll notice that the UFO's are blurred no matter how well you try to focus on them. The type of panel (LCD, OLED, Plasma, CRT, etc), refresh rate and tuning/quality of the panel all affect the motion clarity of a display. There are two causes of blur or a lack of motion clarity in a display. These are: ghosting & sample-and-hold blur. Ghosting is actually just a colloquial term for two different types of display artifacts: ghosting (yes I know, confusing. But this one is just a ghost of an object trailing behind it) and inverse-ghosting/coronas (the same as ghosting but the object is a different colour). Both of these artifacts contribute to what we call motion-blur in a display. You don't really need to know the specifics of either of these but essentially, they are caused by the tuning of the response times in your display as well the quality of your panel. A higher quality panel, technologically superior panel will have faster response times and hence, better overall motion clarity (in this case, a reduction in ghosting) than one with slower response times. However, you could tune a similar panel to work faster than before by enabling something called an overdrive mode, which literally pushes the response time of the panel faster. However, go too fast and you'll get inverse-ghosting. This is what makes OLED panels so superior to LCD panels. OLED panels have almost instant response time leading to ZERO perceivable ghosting (it's still there but impossible to see irl). OLEDs still have to deal with the other half of the issue which is with sample-and-hold blur. Sample-and-hold blur is, in a nut shell, caused by a fundamental difference in how motion is shown on a display and how our eyes track a moving object. This is sorta hard to explain but essentially, when you track an object with your eyes, that is moving at a constant rate, your eyes too will be moving at a constant rate. However, motion on a display is never shown at a constant rate. Objects basically take tiny sub-millimeter steps across your screen at a rate determined by your screen's refresh rate. The objects are never CONSTANTLY moving, they teleport slightly and stop as new images are displayed every refresh. This is shown greatly in the ufo persistence test (same link as the one before just add /persistence to the end) where the image literally completely changes as you start to focus on the moving object. Basically, to stop this blur from happening, you just increase the refresh rate. More refreshes means more closely constant rate of movement and less blur. So that's it then. Motion clarity is the product of response time and refresh rate. Generally, the motion clarity difference of an increase in refresh rate is lower than the switch from LCD to OLED, which is why Thrill didn't mind the lowered refresh rate of the OLED in his headset. Ideally, we'd have high refresh rate, high resolution, oled panels in our headsets. But that technology is, for now, out of reach, really hard to cool or REALLY expensive.
Pin this.
Good job 👍
Yeah, as is, high refresh rate, high res, oled monitors are already damn expensive, cramming that all into a Beyond and not having it burn a hole in your face? no way.
@@OSAlula What? It's already in the beyond. Are you saying that it's a safety hazard to buy the beyond? Or not worth it?
@jai2628 No, was more talking about the high refresh rate. I believe monitors have cooling solutions because they get hot, as does the Beyond. Was just thinking that maybe if they try to bump RR up to like 144hz (or higher, because there are like 240hz oled monitors), it may not have been as feasible to keep it as cool at that size (I've heard the headset already can get a little hot as is, though it does have an internal fan to pull heat from the oled panels)
Along with that, a high res, high refresh oled monitor is already over $1k, a vr headset that has that but packed into such a small area would probably cost even more I dunno. Just random guesses I don't work with this stuff
thx for the update bro. much love
I've also tried almost every VR headset out there and I still can't believe this headset actually exists. Really excited for how fast VR tech is moving!
It's interesting to note that for many the best VR experiences are the earliest ones - the moments you first had your mind blown. So, as Thrillseeker suggested, it may be more important for headset manufacturers to strive to bring something fresh to the market with each iteration, rather than just chasing specs. To that end I think BigScreen have done something remarkable here.
I started with the DK1 and have NEVER been able to reproduce the feeling I had when I upgraded to the DK2 and was able to 'lean in' for the first time.
this..actually convinced me. im 100% going to get this as soon as I can.
Absolutely amazing piece of hardware. I want one yesterday.
"Double the price" of an Index if youre in the US, in other countries it works out to almost 3x the price
You have to go down to 75hz to enjoy the full resolution...
No problem, I play Vrchat. The last time I saw 75fps was when I was in a blank unity scene with a super simple avatar.
LOL, I FELT THAT
thanks for heads up on an interesting new headset!
Definitely exciting to see where this goes and will keep an eye on it. Had my Index since launch and while I love it and it was an enormous upgrade from my OG Vive, a smaller form factor would be great. Often times I accidentally smack my headset trying to eat or drink something in VR, or using a gunstock can be a little cumbersome with the large form factor of the Index.
Curious what Valve will come out with next now that I've seen this.
This is a huge move forward. Finally no wasted space resulting in light VR goggles. Once they make it 120 or even higher refresh rate, I will be very tempted.
And ten steps back for the price point. Once they get their heads out of their asses and lower the price I'll buy one.
@@clientornaka4690 micro-oleds and pancake lenses are INCREDIBLY expensive, i doubt they have a big margin on this product even with how expensive it is.
@@clientornaka4690 I don’t think you understand how tech works lol. They def aren’t making too much profit on this lol
@@clientornaka4690 you have no idea how hard it is to produce a masterpiece VR headset like this. If they can make Thrillseeker feel the thrill of VR and the immersion he described in this video and have him say that THIS is his favorite VR headset after the countless VR headsets he's tried on (some cost tens of times of this headset) and tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of hours he spent in VR, then this product must be worth every penny and even more.
For games like vrchat at max settings, 90 fps is already difficult enough as it is, 3070 with an i9 only gets you 72 fps.
Super exciting to see hardware getting smaller and smaller for VR but still having most of the core values, definitely making it more immersive!! Awesome stuff keep up the gods work be blessed Thrill
Really thrilled to see this focus on immersion. Add in wireless connectivity and built in tracking and I'm sold on it.
I'm glad that you're able to tell people the benefits and drawbacks with different headsets. The toughest question that people always ask me is "what is the best VR headset"...mainly because there isnt one. Despite if you like or dislike features/companies, each headset has its own benefits and sometimes unique qualities to bring. Wouldn't be a bad idea to make one of those "buzzfeed" type quizzes to help people figure out what headset to get.
Great chilling with you in Miami and CES. Hope to see you at AWE to make it a 3 for 3 :)
true. id say, vr hardware is like a skiltree in rpg. you have 6 traits, each trait can go to lvl 10, but you have only 25 points to spend and every headset, spends them differently. the "problem nowadays" from my point of view is more, that the market devlopt into 2 departments. hardware that wants to add 5 points and be able to spend 30, while putting the extra points in 1 or 2 of the trees but wanting 600+ dollars extra for that. or the ones, that just average out every tree and try to stay on the cheaper side, to reach more costumers.. in other words: theres almost not upper middle class around when it comes to new hardware. like, what the index was, when it came out in 2019
Sick. Makes me excited for the future of VR.
Can't believe the Index has been out for 4 years.
Still rocking my CV1 here...
You can laugh or not... but as an ex-Rift CV1 owner...that headset was actually veeery light and pretty damn comfy. the ONLY bad thing bout it is the resolution and that bad SDE..
But it has excellent tracking and works well on older gpus.
i have the Reverb G2 but i miss the cv1
Same I bought a used one for relatively cheap and haven't ever tried another headset so I don't know how much exactly I'm missing out on but I know my wallet doesn't allow for upgrades any time soon
The way that the headset is fitted for each individual, that... That's actually pretty cool. Along with being much smaller than other headsets, I can genuinely imagine forgetting you're wearing it and immersing yourself in whatever you're doing. The microphone in it is also phenomenal! Perhaps a revision of this with higher supported refresh rate and lenses that don't have such pronounced glare would be a perfect sell for me.
I really like the way VR tech is going and it has me so excited to get into it once I have a good play space! Thanks for the content
...and the replacement face gasket is already in the Beyond Store - so if your IPD isn't *too* different from Friends and Family (For instance, when you're adjusting the Vive XR Elite it suggest that ±2mm is fine), there's no reason you couldn't just order a facial interface for each person and have a similar experience...
@@JonathonBartonwith the tiny detail that you need a new iphone. even if i would want to buy a beyond i couldnt because i would never pay that much for a smartphone and would never buy an iphone. the same is true for all of my friends. i get why you need it for the custom fit but i hope there will be an option once they released it without the custom interface.
Ha, if this was Meta, ppl would be shitting a brick that they had your facial dimension data and IPD data lol
@@chnebel2740 You could go to an Apple Store and get a quick face scan done. Obviously the goal is to have a headset this small made for all, but that's a ways out. This is the first step
@@fin600 its quite a shame. i get that they want to make it a "perfect" experience but i think they would sell a lot more without it. its cool tech tho so maybe in the future there will be a new version that doesnt require a face scan.
i wouldnt buy one anyways. i am on a rift s right now so i dont have base stations or steam vr tracked controllers. those costs added to the headset price would just be way too much. i just hope one day any manufacturer other than meta makes a good headset again with controllers and tracking that dont suck so i can abandon meta once and for all.
I missed the notification but still an awesome video. Gets me excited.
I have pre-ordered the beyond. Looking forward to trying it out.
I’m tempted, but less FOV than the index kind of kills it for me. Index’s resolution is fine to me, the FOV is king. Something has to be an upgrade in all the areas I care about upgrading. The form factor and micro OLED is something I want though, plus 90hz is about all I run on my index anyways since I like visual fidelity more than frame rate.
The pimax crystal is your only realistic upgrade in that case, and it's yet to be seen how decent the software is because the first units to testers are almost but not quite shipped out.
@@thelelanatorlol3978 😂 I will never touch pimax again. They are garbage. And their customer support is even worse. Nah I’ll wait for a real company to make a decent upgrade. Until then, the valve index is it for me.
I got a 5KXR when the last of them was sold off. It's great and apart from getting my knuckles to register, (got to plug them in to the computer for a few minutes to get the system to register them) I haven't had any drama. It's been great. Heard so many horror stories I was expecting to have all sorts of problems? But no, it was easy to set up and of I went. Was sort of anti-climatic I was so prepared for problems. The SDE is about the same as my original Quest and a smooth 82hz is a pleasure coming from a choppy 72hz. Looking forward to getting my Bbeyond for things were fov is less relevant than pure fidelity but expect to still be regularly using my 5KXR, the fov makes so much difference in some games. I haven't had to deal with the Pimax very much but I get where you are coming from. They weren't too bad for me when I had to deal with them.
With reduced form factors, optimizing for multiple players in smaller spaces should be much more viable, which nurtures large potential for Mixed Reality arcades!
This would be a terrible product for arcades cause it's custom made to each individual
@e4io they never said that *this* product would be. They said that small form factor headsets in general would.
But it's made worse by needing to be wired. All players would need to be wired and hooked to a PC. Your dream scenario would only work if it was wireless as well like the quest 2 and every other headset
I'm definitely into seeing how their non custom facial interfaces will work
I think headsets are already small enough for arcades personally; and I think VR arcade games would be better than AR. Although maybe by "AR" you just mean VR roomscale with physical prop assists.
However the key thing is that these headsets are not standalone. The small form factor doesn't stop having to carry around battery-powered gaming PCs in a backpack. When it comes to user experience, standalone headsets would might be most viable for arcades, but it's hard to say for sure. Customers might not mind the backpacks, and the backpacks might not really take much/any damage (I'm guessing they don't)
So excited for you to revisit the Aero and compare the two! I’ve been agonizing on keeping my preorder or switching to Aero.
FYI, I own an Aero (8 months) and have a Bigscreen on order. I expect to be using the Bigscreen and having the Aero collect dust and I also so racing and flight sims.
Aero has better resolution and framerate along with eye tracking, but it has LCD displays, higher weight, less comfort, no native SteamVR support, etc. They're sidegrades to each other.
@@FieryMeltman I’m completely aware of the spec sheet but as we all know the spec sheet only tells 1% of the story for comparing the experience you get in a VR headset.
It's weird, I'm still in love with my Reverb G2 (due to the incredible resolution/clairty and audio) but I also feel like I spent a lot of money on a kit that isn't upgradeable. If a controller eventually dies it will be REALLY expensive and a massive headache to find a used one. If I went for a Valve Index it would've been more expensive to start with, but at the same time I would have invested my hard earned money into an eco-system that could be upgraded over time. I REALLY love what BigScreen Beyond is doing. and I can only hope that the future of Valve's own headsets will go towards this direction. Hopefully I will be able to sell my G2 and finally invest in a lighthouse system. (unless nothing better comes out)
Definitely excited for this to show up, I wonder when they'll start sending out the requests for the face scans?
I tried my buddys vr years ago and as somone watching the vr industry close waiting for it to hit a certain point for me to jump in, this is the first headset that has piqued my interest in a while. Purely because of the custom form fit with no light leak and it's tiny size. But to loose eye tracking and some of the other things I'll sit back and keep watching what happens for another year or 2 if need be. Eventually a headset is bound to be announced that will finally make me sell a kidney. Love your videos, you have been my main source of vr news for years now.
The ergonomics are super important, so this may be a game changer indeed. Hope that it'll be as easy to use as other headsets too
Been loving the little Lain references you've been throwing into your videos as of late.
EDIT:
Perhaps you should make a video about the series considering how passionate you are about Virtual Reality.
That would be awesome. Maybe not specifically/only SEL, but all anime/media that have influenced the direction of VR today. That would be cool to see for sure, and very interesting.
Man I cant wait for the future of VR. Great video. Thank you for contributing to the Beyond's greatness and approaching success
Yea it's "approaching success" is the somewhere far away in "the future of VR" lol. BSB needs controllers, wireless, and inside out tracking if it wants to survive. Hopefully they understand this.
hope the clarity is similar to the Quest Pro, it’s amazing looking around without moving your head and everything is 💯 crisp
So hyped for this product future🔥
The sunlight hitting the headsets is giving me anxiety
Your sentiment at the end about face and eye tracking is pretty much how I feel too. Unless Valve decides to surprise drop an announcement for an official Index 2, WITH face and eye tracking implemented, I'm probably going to be getting a Beyond as soon as I can afford one.
I like the idea of companies making a wired VR head set with the idea of it being compact. We have all these new head sets coming out that are designed to be on the move or wireless. I like wired and having a much smaller headset thats comfortable to wear and preforms wells
Except much of the time those wireless headsets are not actually being used that way. Most of the time they are plugged into a charger.
Man! This looks like the headset just for me!! I'll definitely keep an eye on this one.
just checked and i'm 0.4hrs away from hitting 1000 hours on my index, also been using it for 4 years now. been keeping my eye on the beyond and it looks to be my current favorite to be replacing my index with. but as my budget is made for this years gaming upgrades, i'll be needing to wait until like december before i can order one, so there might be some suprises from other companies coming to light before that timeline. we'll see what's what in december, all i know now is that my next vr hmd is gonna be pretty lit.
Honestly seems like a great HMD. I think the issue will arise when every newer HMD starts including eye-tracking at the very least. The lack of audio isn't helping either (yes, I know they plan on a deluxe audio strap thing).
I think the lack of audio is actually great, don't you want to use the headset/in-ear you already own?
@@alfred9805 Not really, just look at the Valve Index audio (and mic for that matter). Super high quality without having to invest in extra stuff that has to sit on top of your VR headset.
@@alfred9805 Problem with having to require your own headphones is that's also an additional cord you gotta wrangle if there's nowhere to plug it into the Beyond.
And personally for me, I find the index's floaty earphones significantly more comfortable than ones that fully cover your ears.
I don't particularly fancy the earwax collectors either, but that's more so a personal issue of having slightly over productive ears 😩
Honestly though would love if there were standalone headphones designed to just float over the ears like the index does.
this is a huge step forward, just imagine in a few years what will come if they keep developing and working on that headset
No, it really isn't a 'huge step forward'...
@@jorisbonson386 :/ I don't think you realise how much of a step this is. And yes I'm exaggerating by saying huge mr "Um actually it isn't a huge step forward🤓"
The size of the headset is hella small, it runs on the pc which is to be expected, it's good quality too.
@@vrfrenzy8451 It is an incremental step, nothing more. Very easy to make headsets small when they're custom made. I know exactly 'how much of a step this is' because I've built my own headsets for years - I think you don't realise how much of a step this /isn't/.
This is exactly what I've been waiting for. I held onto to my lighthouses, assuming that a headset without internal tracking and such would be lighter, smaller, and cooler running.
That's amazing. My biggest gripe with VR and why I struggle so hard from getting into it is comfort. I've only ever owned a Quest and I just can't get it comfortable enough to use it for prolonged periods of time. If this were cheaper it'd definitely be something I'd look into trying (but I understand why it's not). I hope the future of VR looks more like this.
Keeping an eye on this for sure. At this point using an index for 3 years, comfort is a huge selling point. Can't wait for something this small and light. Just hate to pull the trigger on this without seeing what valve comes out with next.
Looks impressive! Makes me want one!
This thing looks sick. I love stand alone VR headsets (I prefer inside-out over base stations), but if I can ever set up a base station set up, I'd probably go for something like this.
Absolutely crazy to have these tangible metrics of just how small this thing really is. Your hair falling in front of it, the weight comparison to a controller, wrapping your whole hand around it... All totally unprecedented 🤯
I really hope this thing succeeds. My current plan is to wait until Q3 2023 to see if any other new PC headsets hit the scene for 2023 / 2024. At that point I will consider my options for a high end headset upgrade for PC VR flight sims, and I will be considering this one for sure.
I feel you there and it's more or less my game plan rn. As it stands, an upgrade looks between this or a Crystal. However I want to love Pimax, it's just that they make it so very difficult to do so.
So I'm just going to stand by for most this year to see what develops. Hope Valve will announce something and maybe some other company by then.
I'm still anticipating what Hardware will be available in 2025 (I have been following it since 2017). I believe that software needs the biggest upgrade to get us to a real life "ready player 1" phase of VR
Bigscreen VR is a piece of garbage. Nobody should spend or even be willing to spend $1000 on just a headset and a cable. The thing doesn't come with controllers or base stations which it needs to even function. You can't even let others use it either as it is only built for you.
@@fireskydiver7 You mad?
@@jimmy8x541 About what? Honestly what do you 5 year olds get from people by asking "are you mad". Its almost like you need attention and the only way to get it is by trying to piss people off.
wow. the size and style of this headset is awesome. thats what want from an vr headset since the beginning
Really cool looking headset. Big Screen blew me away with this, I had no idea they were doing something like hardware.
Valve index was great…. Goodbye
You should do a headset tier list/pros + cons list. 😊 VR hardware is constantly changing (which is awesome) so it may not be the best thing long term, but it would help people find their next headset which would be cool! 🎉😊
Seems pretty cool - will likely look into a future version of this since the Quest 3 may not be something I decide to pick up. Being in a black void is definitely great for VR, which the PSVR2 offers me thanks to the dual-layer nose flap and accordion-like design of the face shield. Eye-tracking and wireless is a tricky thing to achieve, but that's kind of what I hope to be able to get in a few years - by then maybe I'll also have a super high end gaming PC again.
Need to get my hands on one of these.
I was on the fence about this, thanks Thrill. You addressed the issues I thought about.
I imagine at this point the next real BIG breakthrough for VR will be wide curved lenses so we can start making headsets with near full natural field of view.
I’ve held the opinion for a long time that this is the most important factor. Being able to move your eyeballs instead of moving your head will allow you to be 99% immersed. The only thing more important would be simulation g-forces, but that doesn’t really seem possible
Can’t stress how many times I’ve rewatched this. I’m so close to totally jumping the gun and dropping a grand on this and making Valve release Deckard the following day.
New pricing today 36m for 32$ I believe
DO IT 🔫
I need the deckard. I really like this design but I feel like I'm gonna regret not going deckard
I did it bro, join the club
@@realtimestaticI really hope that the deckard is gonna have some really good software like the steam os
no point in waiting for Valve. As you can see, there's no telling how long it will be. If you had ordered at the time of your comment, you would have it by now.
Your getting close to 1mil subs. Time goes by fast
I’m gonna have to watch these and see how they evolve further
First time I've been tempted by a new headset in a while. Very exciting.
I am absolutely thrilled by this video! It's clear that we're witnessing the dawn of a new era in virtual reality. The advancements showcased here are nothing short of revolutionary, and it's evident that the potential for immersive experiences will only continue to grow. The seamless integration of real-world elements with virtual landscapes is a testament to the ingenuity and dedication of the developers behind this project. I can't wait to see where the future of VR takes us, as these innovations are sure to pave the way for even more groundbreaking advancements. Keep up the fantastic work, and thank you for sharing this exciting glimpse into the future with us! 🌟🎮🌐
One of the gripes I had with my Quest 2 was the sheet weight and size in front of my head. That, and it was never designed for my face and nose shape - light would always bleed through and the weight would literally drag my head down. It's great that a company considered this drawback and designed a headset to reduce this issue!
Looks really cool, if you already have the Steam trackers and controllers. I definitely will be waiting for something like this with eye tracking.
I've love this headset ever since you mentioned it, and its something I want to upgrade to once I get a bigger place.
But im curious how well it works with things like full body. How well does it stay on your face while dancing doing handstands and such when in things like VR Chat? I feel like it has huge potential in that department and would love to see it
I would also like to know this information however I am also curious on what plug in it uses and the cord strength and such. As well as system requirements for the pc
I'm buying this. LETS GO BIGSCREEN!
I have watched your videos for years but haven't played VR. I recently played VR for the first time while high on LSA and now I feel like buying something high end. VR looks so much better when you actually have the headset on your head and you are not just seeing it in a CZcams video.
I can Imagine getting a headset like this in the future with a really high FOV and I can help but get excited.
AND THIS… IS TO GO… EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!
ssj3. gj
Great review. I would have liked to have heard more about using this in a mobile environment since this is such a portable-seeming device. Is it a good experience if you want to just put this on and hook it to your laptop and watch 3D video, or even 2D video?
I got a headset a few years ago and while I found the experience amazing, the issues it had really made it hard to justify using it reguarly. My two main issues where the weight and the other was the screen door effect. If I got something like the Beyond, could I realistically expect the screen door issue to be gone? Or should I wait another few years for the tech to get better first?
I think it’s a smart idea to keep it as the display with minimal processing. I love my quest pro in terms of the visuals but it really does give me a headache after an hour of use. I’m hoping to see some good stand alone processing units to pair with headsets like this soon.
always great to see a new good headset that does something new and better
and for this case that's like the smallest headset ever
Awesome that they managed to make such a good headset in such a tiny and light format.
Not for me though, even if I'm on the index. I'm just waiting for a hmd with wide FOV and enough refresh rate, without the compromise of bad lenses or bad coloring.
I think the Beyond is the next step of evolution of vr headsets, as in, it will hopefully inspire other companies to take after some of their ideas
I agree. I would like to see vr headsets get smaller, but still have the FOV of our eyesight. It is going to be an amazing day once vr headsets are as light as a feather, comfortable to the point you can't notice it is there, the resolution is so high you can't distinguish any pixels, blurriness, aliasing, or any other "gamey" look. When VR is basically like entering the matrix that is going to be an epic experience!
I love the idea of this headset as I find my Index too heavy and bulky at times, which I find distracting, but I do dislike the requirement for an iPhone face scan. It wouldn't work nearly as well, but a more "universal" fit that can be adjusted would be more accessible.
Hopefully this encourages more companies to start creating more lightweight headsets.
Looks good, but I think I'm gonna wait until either the cost comes down or it gets more functions such as eye tracking for that price tag.
Good to see headsets are getting closer to the movie versions.
I'd have to get special lenses probably if I'd want it since it looks kind of glasses unfriendly.
I have tried 2 different VR Headsets over the years. The biggest thing for me is the comfort factor. I haven't been able to really dive into VR because the headsets just feel clunky, big, and uncomfortable. This is a game changer and I've put in my pre order. I have high hopes this is the one and that I can take a deep dive into VR.