Install HyVibe system on a Kremona Soloist F65C classical guitar
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Adding electronics to a Classical Nylon string guitar. This is my second install and I hope to have learned some useful tricks I can share. I also make some errors on this install which I share with you in subtitles along the way as I just keep messin' with music!
Thanks MIke for this video. I was planning to buy a HyVibe Guitar that comes with everything, but after I saw you I stopped. All the thing is that you’ll be ending buying a guitar that doesn’t meet your expectations just to have the electronic system?… Now I see that I can get one of my guitars (That I love) and install the electronics. Well done…!!
Cutting into a beloved guitar takes a certain amount of gumption. I was going to do my 40+ year old Yamaha G-55A, but instead ended up buying a new Kremona rather than risk destroying my old friend. The trickiest part is placement of the Actuators. If they are not in just the right place the guitar can develop some buzzing and feedback with certain of the effects. If you get a chance, let me know what guitar you HyVibe. Best of luck ! >>Mike
@@MikeMesseswithMusic hello Mike. Brave and skilled install. Thanks for the video. I have a couple of questions. I am not experienced with doing any guitar work so I would have to take it to a luthier to install it. Approximately how much do you think an install would cost me?
I don't currently have an acoustic guitar so I'm trying to determine if going the route of purchasing the guitar, hyvibe system and installation is better than just buying the Lag guitar from hyvibe. Thanks
@@allboutthemojo Hi there, I bought a Lag guitar for around 250e and the hyvibe kit for 350e so total around 600e. The cheapest hyvibe here is around 1500 on a Lag guitar so much cheaper and interesting to do it yourself! Following Mikes description helps avoid any pitfalls! You could buy a cheaper acoustic (they are so much better these days) I used a Lag because I live here in SW France near where they were originally created (and still do) so I say go for it! Enjoy, they sound wonderful and opens your creativity massively!
I'm the same...was thinking of buying the lag 10 but now I'm wondering whether to convert my own guitar. Might save money but will it wreck it. It might if I try and do it!
@@allosaurusfragilis7782 I'm buying a " cheaper " acoustic and installing the hyvibe in it. That makes the most sense for me since I'm not an acoustic player and will be primarily using this on the go to have some fun.
Hey Mike, nice job! Your playing is just fine!! I actually live a short distance away from where the Lagg guitars and Hyvibe concept was born, Toulouse in south west France (but I am English!)
I have a Lagg semi-acoustic and have just ordered a Hyvibe kit for it! Being able to watch someone install one is very valuable and it is a kind thing to do, so thank you for putting in the effort to do this. I am 60 and mess with guitars too (fan of Justin Johnson style playing, and BB King etc) Keep on messing my friend, some of us really appreciate it!. Merci et a bientot! .... Dave
Hi Dave, Thanks for your message. Isn't it funny with the plethora of guitar videos on CZcams Justin Johnson is one of my favorites as well, and BB King, well goes without saying, I dream of being as at ease with my guitar as he while playing music I love. My latest music messing was prompted by Justin Johnsons review of the Spark amp. OMG this changes everything! I recommend you have a look if you have not yet. Cheers!
@@MikeMesseswithMusic Hey Mike sounds we have a lot in common 😀 I have a spark amp that I use with my epiphone e339 which I love! I can just noodle away for hours with the spark! The tones are awesome! I am a drummer at heart but the guitar has always been my dream. My kind wife just bought me a banjo so gonna be busy haha! Can't wait to get hyvibe kit, Matt from hyvibe says about a week for back order to come in so very exited! I have a Lag semi-acoustic just waiting 👍 I actually live not too far from where Lag guitars originated so feels quite appropriate to use 😊 The only thing concerning me is not gluing myself inside the guitar lol! Keep on messing my friend 🙂..........Dave
Thank you I’m going to put one of these on a guitar someday soon. I also will make a few changes. I think I will put the holes for the pickup, and the guitar jacks first. That way I will be able to look through the holes and see what I’m dealing with inside. This video is great! Will help tremendously when I go to put it in! Great Job! And thank you!
You are very welcome, I am glad you found it helpful!
I used tweezers and a flashlight and yes, visual thru sondhole and output cutout were helpful! Patience. Took about 10 mins to plug in 5 cords!
thank you.
You are most welcome Arunas S!
A demonstration on setting up the equalizes and effects would be a great tutorial. I recently purchased acHyVibe 30 DCE and found out it needed some adjustments to get the effects to work and the volume. To make matters worse it turned out it was a defective unit so I returned it and purchased a new one. The effects and volume were very low and the charging light indicator didn’t come on. After the charge in the battery ran down I tried to charge it again but it wouldn’t charge and the panel stayed lit and locked on but still no charge. HyVibe mentioned that t could do that and to remedy that problem I push and hold the on off button for ten seconds which worked in turning it off. Now before anyone has anything negative to say I found out mine wasn’t the first as another one had the same problem and had been returned the day before. There is a tutorial here on CZcams about a unity being installed on an ovation along with making some adjustments to prevent feed back and set up the effects but was very basic. I don’t know if you had the same problem or not but if you did could you go over the use of the effects adjusting it and getting it to sound like demo videos.thank,you
Hi John, I installed my two units almost a year ago and did not have any out of the box failures. (Other than those caused by my installation learning curve). I did a vide after 3 months where I do talk about the set ups. If you are interested.
HyVibe 3 mo Checkup and Repair
czcams.com/video/p5glIg6etXw/video.html
Whatever you do I hope you keep messing with Music :)
Mike
I’ll be adding my HyVibe to a Journey parlor travel guitar - thanks for your long-form tutorial. I might have messed up the actuators when removing it from my original guitar. The black plastic rings that surface Mount, they’re a little deformed from removal. I’ll recondition/clean up with a dremel and then glue and test Bluetooth thru soundhole like you did, before moving on with other elements.
Great units overall. Hoping this reinstall will work…
Thanks McDowell YL, Please let me know how the reinstall goes. By the way what happened to the Original Guitar, Did you fill the hole for the HyVibe with another PreAmp?
@@MikeMesseswithMusic The actuators were difficult to remove. I used a mixture of tools to carefully pry them off of the top. Had to re-glue the plastic slightly with liquid super glue. Then I gently took them across a sanding block to re-flatten the plastics and used gel control super glue on the Journey to install. Other than that, the installation was smooth. The benefit on the journey is that they also have their K and K style pickup installed and I left it in. Now live I can plug into the Journey transducer and leave the HyVibe effects on and they sound wonderfully natural. Much better than the HV’s plugged in sound, IMO. The old guitar I’ll turn the cutout into a sound port and put a Journey transducer under the top.
Love this unit, but not wanting to drill large holes in my concert guitar! Would be okay with the actuators and bottom hole for the in\out jack's - wish they made a stealth version fitting the whole unit as one piece into that little jack hole. The you control the unit through your phone. Much simpler install as well. I know I'm in the minority because so many electro acoustic guitars out there have the big old convenient but ugly control panel on the top side. Still. I guess one could mount the control unit within the sound hole somehow though obviously it would be harder to use the controls that way. Also considering the Tonewood amp as it's less invasive, though this one is nicer functionally obviously. OMG the Bluetooth thing where the guitar is playing some other guy playing the guitar - pretty amazing. Incredible for duets as well.
Thanks for the comments Eric, I would consider the Tonewood, it seems like a great compromise. However if you simply add a piezo strip under the saddle and make the small 1/4 inch connector hole. You can plug into a Positive Grid Spark 40 or Spark Mini, check out my video reviewing the Spark Mini, it is really awesome. You can also hear some great players using my Traveler Classical Nylon guitar with the Spark Mini on my Liverpool video
Hi Mike, thanks for showing this. First i thought that this hyvibe „hype" only comes with LAG guitars. Although I'm not sure that i would suggest to anyone to do this on his valued classical guitar. But it was interesting anyway.
Hi L’Ambrosio, If installing this on a loved guitar, have a luthier do it, is my recommendation.
Did you find that the installation affected the acoustics of the guitar?
Hi Max, great question, Inwas concerned about the acoustics of the guitar. So for both of my HyVibe guitars (Kremona and Ibanez) I tested the sound before and after. There was no appreciable difference. Please Subscribe if you find my channel helpful. Thanks. Mike
Very interesting video thanks, how much does the hivibe kit cost please.
Thanks mugy2y, I do not know how the price may differ by region, but when ordered from the US at his site www.hyvibeguitar.com/shop/ It is $395 plus shipping. If you liked the video please, like, subscribe and follow :)
great video - i would not be brave enough to do it to my beaut classical guitar tho!
Hi Marty, I was originally going to add the Hyvibe to my old Yamaha G-55a I have been playing for over 40 years, When I sat it on the table and got ready to cut into it... I got a lump in my throat. I went to Guitar Center and bought the Kremona, which turned out to be a great fit for the HyVibe. If you cherish a guitar , I would not try this install unless you are a Luthier.
Messy Mike
@@MikeMesseswithMusic thanks Mike - agreed!
I've been thinking about getting the Lâg HyVibe THV10DCE, but don't know if i fully like the design of it maybe I'll get one of there other normal guitar and just install this into it.
Hi John, I have seen good comments from people buying the Hyvibe Guitars. I can admit to you I am not happy with both of the installs I did. The Classical Kremona has a deep buzz which indicates something I installed is loose. I am going to have to go back and re do part of that install. The features of the HyVibe electronics are quite good. I use several of the effects quite often, and the looper is great fun. But nothing that cannot be done with a decent amp and a foot pedal. Ask yourself where you will be playing it and if the standalone feature is important go for it, if you are brave, or foolish like me do it yourself :)
You should drill the hole at an angle towards the side of the guitar for the piezo.
Hi Jeffrey, that is an excellent suggestion!
Thanks,
Mike
Thanks for the video! Where can I buy that HiVibe system?
Hi Raymond, I bought my two units from HyVibe directly from their website. www.hyvibeguitar.com/shop/?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6nuqOLvwXOXcCucdo0PM_H6L7C_zGr4XueohX7lXhZ7k8ihZVUoZ9hoCq4AQAvD_BwE
I put a hivibe system in a jasmin and absolutely love it. It got me so excited about playing again after years of a break. My question is can I install sane system in a nylon string type guitar? Or is it different for steel and nylon?
Hi Michael,
The Kremona guitar you just watched me install is a Nylon String and works great. My first HyVibe install was on a steel string Ibanez, both guitars are equally impressive. Here is that”very early” video, one of my first.
Install HyVibe system on an Ibanez Concord 645 Vintage Guitar
czcams.com/video/FtpuHD1Ee9k/video.html
I have my finger on the trigger to buy this kit. Do you feel like it was worth it, or just gimmicky?
Hi Billy, If you have an acoustic guitar, either nylon or steel string without any electronics. This is a very versatile way to upgrade the guitar. The in guitar amplification is so easily accessible, and portable, without needing an external amp. The variety of effects is somewhat staggering, though you only install 8 at a time on the guitar the phone app contains dozens to choose from. I recently added a foot switch to start and stop the looper. It adds so much depth to what I can play. I guess you could say I am a fan of the HyVibe kit!
Hi there Sir. Appreciate this video guide. Including the tips along the way. Question: How many minutes did you allow the glue to dry up on the two actuators before you connected it to the main system to test the bluetooth connection? Edited this comment to say I Liked & Subscribed. Thanks again. God bless.
Hi Temiong, Thanks for subscribing. I let the glue set for about 45 minutes before testing the actuators. (I was supposed to wait an hour, but I thought they were fully cured by 45 minutes.. All the best, Mike
Does it have a tuner
Hi Rickey, yes it has a tuner function built in. It gives a graphical depiction and displays the note.
Is the super glue holding well? I don't love SG on these works as it can become brittle. Epoxy seems better.
Are the actuators and FXs in the unit sending the signal in stereo? i ask because it would probably produce a better hall and specially a better chorus than a tonewoodamp but if the two actuators have the exact same signal it would be fairly the same.
Thank you!
Hi Sacco, The super glue that I used (was recommended ) is a gel type , it has a thicker consistency and seems to have worked very well for the actuators. I have had the straps that affix to the sides of the guitar come loose using that glue. I will take your recommendation and try an epoxy to re-affix them.
As for the Stereo question, nothing I have seen indicated the actuators work as a stereo pair. And I really doubt that would work if they did, because they are both vibrating the same bridge and top. So they produce a single resonance.
Mike
@@MikeMesseswithMusic Hey! Thanks so much for your reply.
I still think a stereo reverb, chorus or leslie would greatly benefit from two actuators in stereo. Perhaps not around the bridge, I would rather put them far apart from each other say the lower and upper body. Even if the actuators are moving the same piece of wood they will do at different phases and frequencies where the actuators are and I bet that will open a stereo reverb so it sounds wider. It would do wonders with a leslie FX.
If it made any sense to get two tonewoodamp units I would go ahead and try it (I'm kinda tempted), but it means a lot more weight in the guitar and also makes no sense money wise. But if I were to do that I would try different settings of the same effect, say a chorus with two different speeds. It has to sound wider that a single actuator.
Obviously we aren't talking stereo as in "two speakers on both sides of your head" but it should really make a difference.
Hi Sacco, the Super Glue hold the Actuators very well. It is a Gel Super Glue and has held up well.
But I have had the straps on the sides of the guitar to hold the cabling come loose. I will redo them with Epoxy,
As for Stereo, I am sure they are not stereo, and as both actuators are working on the same sound board. I don't think Stereo would not separate.
Good luck with your install!
Thanks for the tutorial. I've got a Cordoba D11-CE steel string with an integrated neck joint (no dovetail) I'd like to install that into. Question: Do you suspect that the stress on the sides (acacia) are such that drilling holes in it would be problematic?
Hi Yomomma, I would suggest you look at the new HyVibe model that sits inside the sound hole instead of making a hole. In fact I messed up my Kremona Classical by over cutting one of the corners. The new kit looks like an easier way to go.