Steering Around the Iceberg - How do we avoid collapse of society? | Dan Carlin and Lex Fridman
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Dan totally nailed it with Common Sense #320 Steering Into the Iceberg! The most ridiculous thing I here after this all is happening (yes happening still) its that certain people are saying "nobody saw this coming" I've been seeing it coming clearly for 5 years.
5 years? I am 43 years old and my grandfather was prepping me for the days when I could not go to the grocery store anymore and there may not be such a thing as electricity. He was sure I would see those days in my lifetime based on what he was seeing 40 years ago. Not only that but my entire family has been involved with the government, Department of Defense, and all branches of military. Without my uncle who just passed away there would have never been a patriot missile to fire at skud missiles in the Gulf War. Without my grandfather operating the machine shops my uncle eventually worked in the first space shuttle never would have flown. It was the generals that my mother worked for who talked me out of joining the Navy and eventually the Navy Seals because they respected the work she did and her as a person and told her not to let me join the military. She was the person in charge of all army base relocation and closings throughout the 90s across the country. Think about that for a minute. Generals telling my mother not to let me join the military because it's not what it used to be. My friends this has been coming for decades to those of us paying attention. If you're not growing your own food, able to hunt and fish, understand local and natural remedies, you are ill-prepared. And if you're not saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, you're getting ready to see the worst times in the history of the world.
@@yrntthelibswipedofftheeart16 Ya and my dad's bill gates and my mom is oprah
Only 5 years? Well that’s part of the problem
Lex is such a pure and optimistic soul who is podcasting with critics lol
Speaks like a guy who only recently discovered weed.
Lex this was awesome 👌 Thanks for all the hard work you and everyone does to make this wonderful peice of art ❤ Formats like this where people are allowed to talk and communicate. Allow people to talk allow us to identify problems collaborate with ideas find wisdom and heal and love.
One small act at a time ❤👍
Dan Carlin is a genius
Agree, but I was disappointed with how he answers here. Maybe I expect too much out of the wise Carlin but I wanted him to tell me where the world is headed based on history. His answer was basically "I don't know where we are headed because technological innovation is so rapid now (he gave the example of his two children to drive this home)." Maybe that's a legit answer--no one knows where we are headed. We live in unprecedented times.
Telling people to vote for Joe? Yeah how’s that working out? Some genius
He is not a genius. He simply educated himself. This is what happens when Humanity becomes so fucking dumb. They look at someone who happens to have a little bit of information about history and think he's a genius among men. This should show the level of depravity, ignorance, and idiocy that the human race has fallen too. Instead of being a reflection of how brilliant this man supposedly must be.
Aehhhh
I think love is a state of mind, and I also think love can see us through. What is the main feeling we want to feel? How can we want the same things? Where is the love that we want? Are we going to change what we want? I also think that we are the most beautiful things that could be, or are we just stardust? Can we want the same things that love could bring? It’s a difference of feeling, but not too far for us not to feel love, and that could be enough. Are you tired of reading this comment? Well me too, and this is how I feel listening to Lex talk.
I really enjoy where this podcast goes in terms of thought. It's not to make one feel denigrated by their ideas, but to feel apart of the evolution of our species.
Figured a history buff would mention the Spanish Civil and draw comparisons there.
After a year and a half, it’s sad to see what’s unfolded since this podcast. From Jan 6, to the vaccine fiasco, to war in Ukraine, to the raid on Mar a Lago. I’m worried that we are too far gone, and the fact that this episode only has 56k views is terrifying. We need more people like Lex and Dan to break the ice and move us past this. Not Trump, not Biden, not any politician, but a concerted effort from the silent majority to bring us together and realize that the atrocities that can occur in a power vacuum like we have today can absolutely bring us down. The future is in our hands…
This isn’t the episode…it’s one clip from a multiple hour podcast that has over 4m views.
I love Dan Carlin!!!!
I geus I'll be spending Christmas with you guys.
God bless Dan Carlin.
Dan Carlin spitting some knowledge
Lex I like how you keep saying love. You are getting an important point across and it requires repetition.
I am glad Dan decided to jump down the rabbit hole of history. Also glad Lex has his brain to keep Dan talking..and oh yes, January 6th or LOVE is the answer!
Important topic right now
Love means different things to different people and I don’t think it’s possible to unite people under such a vague concept.
True. Good thing Love isn't a something, but a someone instead.
Total Eastern Religious/Russian idealism on display. To conceptualize someone like Elon Musk as someone capable of unifying humanity as icon of Love hahahaha.
This is how you end up having figures like Stalin ultimately being venerated on the walls of Orthodox Churches in Russia.
Yeah you've articulated that problem really well. I kinda wish I didn't agree ha, I believe in love so much but you're right I think.
In my opinion he isn't necessarily trying to unite with just that concept, I think his true concept is looking at the fact that no one wants bad things to happen to there country, to them selves obviously and this is the concept that many can agree with but its very vague as to whats good for everyone.... The united health and intellectual plan to achieve peace for all is what power seeks for its people or thats what we would want power to achieve. You see? no country is moving towards depression death and suffering on purpose, so there is a peculiar path that every country is following, if they realize it or not they try to accomplish there goal in any means possible and this creates delusional leaders delusional people and so on. The path we seek to take is in front of us but we can't see it because we do not agree with how we shall carve that path, humans don't know what they want and may never know but if we had compassion in mind with every thought and action we could come to a logical conclusion on what we want (maybe you don't understand what im putting forth so feel free to ask me to elaborate) and the sacrifices that will have to be made to get there and that would require us to love and forgive so we can understand. We have walked so far away from each others ideas and repelled each other, divided the entire world that unfortunately this probably won't happen and humanity will forever be its own bottle neck because we couldn't simplify what we truly want and that fear concurs and floods our minds 💔
Well hate didn't work. That's for sure.
Dan Carlin is the man.
Lex keep the intellectual fire burning!
It’s like Dan is talking to an alien. An alien who hasn’t lived on earth, who believes in the power of love and care and respect and goodness, while Dan is saying “hello, you must understand the by product of love will destabilise the world as we know it. Governments won’t allow it”. 😅
Dont think ive ever heard that. "Its easier to hate than it is to love" ive spent at least an hour straight thinking about this!
We are delusional about what we want as a civilization and so this is why we have divide goals within the great powers of the world. What are we moving towards? In all categories we seem to seek peace and happiness through things we create and make up, for example what does science do for us? It creates jobs, it helps heal people, it creates content we can enjoy but where does it end? What do we truly want to achieve from it? Do you really want ultimate power over the universe what would you do if you figured out all of physics? What good would it do to know everything and control everything? You see its delusional to think we know what will be good for us in the future because anything thats good can also be interpreted as bad. So our very vague goal that every country is truly competing to walk past is fear of harm itself, fear of death fear of fear itself until we figure out what we truly want and what we truly are we will forever spin the wheel of good and evil gaining concepts/ideas that we have seen play out in history since the beginning of humanity. This is my thoughts on civilization and its leaders ideas on how things should be done and I welcome criticism or anything else.
This may be one of the most profound conversations I've ever had the privilege to listen to, if not the pleasure to be a part of haha
The book is called The Next One Hundred years by George Friedman and he never ever said US will break apart. Quite the contrary, Friedman's core idea in all his books is that USA has just started and 21st century will be an American century. Anyone interested in politics and future should read all George Friedman and Peter Zeihan books.
Must we repudiate our innermost nature to become that which we posit as our greatest ideal?
At least you guys arnt in Canada.
I don't think he means to say that we are naturally set up to become divided. Instead, he is saying that democracy is a structure that invites pluralism and independent thought.
Study the conflicts in Yugoslavia and Northern Ireland.
Ceaușescu
@Apollo Aden did it work?
just a quick funny sidenote I realized while listening. Dan Carlin knows that "st" in German is pronounced "sht" and used that in "Reichstag". However ironically thats one of the few occasions where that rule does not apply bc its a compound word.
Took german for 3 weeks and decided it was not for me
@@gamehardy its what you call a "lawless" language.
@@gamehardy done French for like five years in school and only know how to say hello lol I barely understand English grammar lol
Work with Yes Theory. Their whole goal is to do exactly this. Seek Discomfort, Love Over Fear.
The people that are driving /pushing for AI (like Lex) say it’s all out of Love……❤🧐
Oh wow, as if someone tried to establish Unity2020 and it got removed by Twitter, huh
LMAO
must have been the Nazi Trump supporters limiting freedom of speech again. . . oh wait #Math
Dude Weinstein is a fraud he doesn’t actually support unity
Lex was talking about how much power companies can have. Lex and Dan had this conversation before Twitter banned Trump forever. You just mentioned Unity 2020 being taken down. Why did CZcams take THAT down? Eric Weinstein is so level headed!
MANY conservative voices are being silenced (not that Trump is all that conservative in reality).
God knows, Eric Weinstein is FAR from conservative.
On a different vein, to hear what is coming out of the mouths of some reporters on CNN is very disturbing. This whole lash against anyone who voted for Trump is very frightening.
It certainly feels like book burning and silencing of free speech coming from the “left”.
It feels like tyranny coming from the “left”.
I feel that the power that Twitter is wielding is even scarier than a second Trump presidency would have been. Dan talked about his great fear of Trump in his podcast entitled “Steering into the Iceberg”. Is it possible that even a mind as intelligent as Dan’s could even be affected by “Trump Derangement Syndrome”?
I guess it’s mostly water under the bridge at this point. Well, except for the silencing of voices on social media........that still scares me.
Oh, and Biden scares me a bit too.
I think I’ll go stick my head in the sand.
It would help society if you could disempower and remove the collapsers, instead of treating them as citizens who are as good as the constructive ones.
wanna take a vote?
We don’t. We embrace it as an opportunity.
Holy shit! That’s Dustin Porier’s dad!
Okay so you can save the world but can you put out two podcasts in a year?
Quality, not quantity
What a stupid critique lol
This entire discussion has taken the Biblical moral structure and called it something else
BITCOIN is the ultimate tool of LOVE and POSITIVE change
Sorry but if we all agree that civil war is bad. Then any pragmatic ruling system knows this too (from historical examples) and the best way to avoid civil unrest, which can lead to civil war is to eliminate the ideological leaders of the disruptive idea. So it's almost inevitable, especially because it acts as a deterrent to others thinking of being disruptive. This in itself reduces the risk of too many destructive civil wars, so it could be viewed as having positive benefit. Using this logic you can see why Jesus/Gandhi/MLK got killed. Only later can we detect the positive legacy of these 3 examples. History must be littered with other eliminated disruptive examples who left no legacy and are thus unknown to us.
That's exactly the argument all perpetrators of genocide give.
Lmao you forgot some really important names in there bud.
As I recall the "Pearl Harbor-type incident" that the PNAC mentioined was what was needed to galvanize support to invade Iraq and take out Saddam, not to pull the country together
'There is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, "look this is something new?"' -Solomon
“Chaos isn’t a pit, Littlefinger made this statement to Spider, “Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but they refuse. They cling to the realm or the gods or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.”
"do you think that governments would take counter measures to squash that love before it got too dangerous?"
U should be worried .... Now
What is this fascination with Joe Rogan ?
Dan says he’s not a historian. If he’s not a historian of the highest level, I’m a frog. #frogself
Most of the world is free and you can do whatever you want, It's not unique to America!
Check it out, he's doing drugs, caffeine.
These are some of the best interviews on or off the internet and Lex is super smart and sincere. But his crazy fan boy worship of Elon Musk and Joe Rogan is really embarrassing.
Who’s gonna be our Julius Caesar?
Trump or Ted Cruz
These Generals have demanded the unconditional surrender of the United States of America. Who do you think built this arsenal you were so proud of?
dan carlin for president
People like Elon? Good grief.
Lmao I'm reading that George Friedman book right now. Lmao he doesn't say any of that
Mr.Carlin clearly caveat's his statement
"Trendy feigned empathy, that people aren't necessarily actually serious about, to attract sexual partners"
Well done, you've come up with Virtue Signalling, Critical Theory and Social Justice. 🤦♂️
A better model is the Jordan Peterson movement.
The only difference might be in his version we are reading JP and other thinkers and not woke culture stuff, plus if everyone was on that same path and all culture pointed that direction we could see something different, I believe something like that is assumed in his point just not unpacked.
Truth disgust us, Empathy is very rare gene expression against a life long abuse, trauma that keeps repeating in patterns, delivered through sinister manipulation, betrayal, Discard cycles all of these and much more a 2 year old infant must conditioned through by none other than own Mothers or primary caregivers only .. should have to go through for atleast 2-3 decades without even realizing that there is a Psychopathalogical monster behind the facade their Mothers... and yet I guess 9 out of 10 times this gets you a desired gene conditioning: may be refered to as "culsster B Personality Disorders"
.. but sometimes somhow it creates an Architype of Gandhi, Mother Thressa, Martin Luther guy and Jesus Christ - Peace be upoun them all.
Jan 6th should have been the new shock that pulled us together
How could that be when so many Americans agreed with it
Lex, this is the first time since I started watching your videos when I think that you are being somewhat naive about Putin.
Lex needs to stop idolizing elon musk and joe rogan.
Why
He’s obsessed it’s so cute
Carlin pretty much is saying that because the media hates one candidate, we have to vote for the other to heal the country. Bull.
Agreed,. Major inflation, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the soon to come China invasion of Taiwan is directly the result of the Biden Admin. I almost lost my job due to Biden’s Vax mandate. He has done more to divide this nation in less than 1 year than Trump did in 4 years.
Exactly this
Whoosh
No politics carlin...you know better but you couldn't help it
Yesss!!
If Joe rogan is the arbiter of peace then we really are fucked
Why i associates Lex's love with gayness???
He keeps saying "love". I think it is meaningless the more he uses it.
There is no way to avoid it. The millennials have sealed the deal.
Lex pussied out in my opinion by not expanding his questioning on his endorsement. He sees/saw Trump as a real threat who is dividing America (which he is)
Disagree.
@@SC-rc4rs America literally could not be more divided.
I am seeing a new side to Lex. Blind ignorance and nativity! I love your videos mate but if you think our issues are about love over “evil” you’re utterly mad. Greed and overpopulation is what’s going to end us. Unfortunately love can’t overcome food shortages.
Get back to that scientific fella you used to be please!
Dan endorsed Biden. This does a huge disservice to any logical point he tries to put forth going forward. I mean, talk about a swing and a miss…ooof.
How is that Biden endorsement working out.
Poor Dan,he always was a weak lib
No podcaster holds a candle to Dan Carlin, he tells stories, experiences, HISTORY - not riffing bs