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hi, nice reaction, you should watch this next: "Using Numbers To Find The Greatest Individual Season In NBA History" and "Michael Jordan BEST rare Video ever (Voyager) 1/2", saludos desde México amigo
You should also watch a few videos about how good Jordan’s Wizards years really were. He was a still a beast in his 40s!
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If you're still doubting MJ. Here's something that should shock you. In the span of 32 months, Michael Jordan won 3 Finals championship, 3 Finals MVP, 3 scoring titles, 2 NBA MVPs, named All-Defensive 1st team 3 times and missed 0 games. Nobody in the history of the NBA has come close to doing that and I dare you to go look.
Good call! I got one that I've never heard someone mention.
Jordan is 3rd all time in steals per game and of the top 10, he averages double or more blocks than any of them. He is basically the only elite pick pocket who could also block the ball. Then add 1st in ppg all time and it's crazy.
@@smootht4578 kobe is not close actually. Assuming 2009 and 2010 titles won, 1 scoring title in 2008, no MVPs, missed 9 games in the 2009-2010 seasons. But Defensive Firsts and two Finals MVPs are accomplishments, I don’t know where it’s close to above mentioned MJ accomplishments, though I am a Kobe fan.
@@smootht4578kobe was straight out of hs,no college
@@smootht4578because kobe stole his moves.
@@smootht4578 there is no kobe bryant without michael jordan.
-Kobe bryant
I guess I’m an old head that was able to watch both these guys. I’m a Laker fan that loved Magic, Kobe and now Lebron. In the 80s I used to argue that Magic was better than Jordan because he was a winner. Jordan’s stats were insane, but he wasn’t a champion. Over time I admitted that Jordan was better. Then with Kobe I thought he could challenge Jordan’s thrown. Having watched them I had to admit that although Kobe’s my all time favorite player… he’s still not on Jordan’s level. Now with Lebron I want him to win it every year, but if I’m being honest he has never felt like the dominant force that Jordan always felt like. From someone that wished Jordan wasn’t the GOAT, nobody including Lebron has come close.
This is literally the whole goat debate.
People been arguing this nonsense all this time and it don't even go past what this guy said in one paragraph.
Jordan don't got to be your favorite player.
But if he not, then your favorite player ain't the goat.
Very true bro ! U said nothing but the truth
Well said
Jokic still have a chance like he just need to win 6 straight and be the mvp all those times.
Man I feel u. I'm 42 and my favorite team is nowhere near the best, the atl hawks. We were always stopped by jordan in the playoffs even dominique! I denied Jordan for any props. Kareem, Patrick, Hardaway, Magic, Spud, Kobe, Shaq, Doc. Rivers are some guys I remember off back 3am in the morning I remember playing, along with the current era. LB is a top player, I'm neutral with him. He is better than most, but not better than Jordan. I recognize Jordan as the goat, he is the one guy I dreaded going against, and hated when he got the ball. I have never got that feeling whenever I watch lebron play.
He forgot to mention that Jordan has the longer record of wins of 632 where he didn't lose more than 2 games straight between 90-98. All while playing 9-82 game seasons....that is durability...
Yes... and without jumping to "super teams".
@@trevortamboline279except that MJs 96-98 team was a super team that the organization put together. MJ, Scottie Pippen, Ron Harper and Dennis Rodman is a super team. Stop having revisionist history bro lol
Not having revisionist history "bro"... I was stressing the jumping part. Lebron left two teams in search of a ring: instantly putting together his "super team" with Wade and Bosh in Miami and then going back to Cleveland to join Kyrie and talking Love into joining him... MJ stayed in Chicago and built a dynasty there. @@apolloshorn-one
@@trevortamboline279 So, if the organization isn't competent enough to build a team around you that will give you the best opportunity to win, you should just stay there and keep losing right???
@trevortamboline279 Lebron's Super Team in Miami (3 Allstars in the top 10 of the NBA, Bron, Wade, Bosh)...then back to Cleveland (Bron, Love, KYRIE).
Excellent reaction video. I grew up in Chicago and was ages 7-14 during the Bulls' championship era. My friends, family, and I watched religiously. We were obsessed. I wanted to speak to one point regarding the relatively weaker level of competition Jordan faced in the finals. We fans were never really afraid of the Bulls losing in the finals. The fear was always against the top Eastern conference teams. The Knicks and Pacers both took the Bulls to 7 games. These were the true battles against incredible teams built for a different officiating environment (more physical and defensive, harder to score, especially on the perimeter, where the players today have more space to shoot). The reason Jordan has 6, and not more finals wins, is not because he retired twice (the '94 Bulls would have had a really tough time against Hakeem's Rockets, and the '99 Bulls with Jordan would have had the same problem against Duncan's Spurs; they never had a good center), its because the Bulls lost to the Pistons in '89 and '90 (also a 7 game series). I was too young to remember the 1990 playoffs, but looking back, if the Bulls had won game 7 against the Pistons, they would have demolished the Trailblazers.
Also, having watched both players, what separates the two for me that the original creator didn't mention (probably because these are too subjective) is 1) artistry, and 2) psychology. While Lebron is incredible to watch for his power, domination, and ability to facilitate, Jordan equalled or surpassed him in these areas. It's true, he did not pass as often, but he saved his passes for very clutch moments when no one was expecting them. They were high value assists. What Jordan added was a level of creative artistry to his game that Lebron does not equal. He was a revelation to watch. He seemed super human. Also, you could observe Jordan destroying his opponents mentally in real time. I think that's why he never went to 7 in the finals, because by games 5 or 6 he had broken his opponents' spirits. Lebron doesn't have that kind of pathological abusiveness to his game. These are intangible and biased observations, but I think important to note.
One more side-note post Last Dance: The Jerry Krause hatred was REAL and not just at the end of the era. As 9 year old kids my friends and I hated Krause. We didn't even really know why; we just knew as a Bulls fan you were supposed to hate him.
Pathological abusiveness. Well put. Exactly true. I even felt bad for his opponents.
Well said
Bron was the other way around. Jason Terry broke him mentally. The spurs broke him mentally.
Jordan was 35 in his last season with the Bulls, he was 1st All defense that season while being the scoring champ, winning the MVP and the Chip and the final MVP. So yes... Jordan was playing defense.
Not only that but Pippen was hurt with his back and literally a decoy by the 98 Finals. And Rodman’s production was dropping off-he only played over 30 minutes in 2 of the 6 Finals games that year! Jordan basically carried the team that year to a ring.
and that 98 bulls team was the oldest in the league
Craziest Championship ever is definitely Detroit over LA! That team had 0 top 75 players and beat a Lakers team with 4 Top 75 players. The upset was insane!! Dallas Over Miami was also more impressive because GS record was crazy but the teams were not mix matched. They were pretty even I would argue LBJ big 3 was better than the Warriors top 3 players. LBJ over Curry. Kyrie over Klay Love over Draymond. And they both had good benches to so it was impressive but not the most impressive Championship I've ever seen.
@@aaronporter2180actually oldest champion team all time. People ignore that when they say MJ inly won when Bird, Magic and the Pistons were old. MJ was MUCH older and still 3 peated again.
@@thedudeunchained7583Thank you! 💯
Much respect and proud of you for having the ability to take in all the facts with an open mind. This is a valuable attitude and skill that will serve you well in all areas of life. Enjoyed the video.
I have to give props to whoever made the comparison video. That was pretty comprehensive. I am patiently waiting for Basketball to start back up.
Great reaction kid You can still love lebron as your favorite player, And yes, Michael Jeffrey Jordan is the goat he would average 45 a game in today's era easy.👏👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥🎯
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This era so soft MJ would avg 50 EASILY!! Kobe would avg 45
@@Iceman24424he wouldn’t, because in Jordan’s era, you couldn’t play team defense and they’d just build a wall to the rim. His handle is also not good enough to get past above average defenders in todays league. He’d be lucky to be a worse passing Westbrook.
@@WhatsBigginJordan was doing 40 as a Wizard at age 40 with bad knees... In other words, stats are easy now...
Centers averages have doubled due to the opening of the lane.
No tf he not
Something to consider with Jordan's wizards years. Between 2001 and 2005 the league was at both it's slowest pace in league history and at it's toughest defensively. It was the only time in league history where hand checking and zone defense was allowed at the same time. So scoring 20+ points back then was NOT the same as scoring 20+ today.
Great point 💯
Agreed
Players would've adapted if NBA hadn't changed rules to weaken defence
@@zenithzeitgeist7489 But, would they be dropping 30 a game as easily as they do today? Likely not. There is a reason Lebron could only get one season averaging over 30 in his prime, but now can suddenly average 30 in year 19.
Jordan was flying until he got injured, the engine was revving back up also. The stats back this up. The injury cost us all a few more golden highlights
I swear there is no G.O.A.T debate. In 1988, Jordan was league MVP, Defensive Player of The Year, All NBA 1st team, All defense 1st team, Scoring Champ, Led the league in steals, Named All Star Team MVP, and won the Slam Dunk Contest.....ALL IN THE SAME YEAR!!!!
Also, he has NBA 6 titles, 6 times finals MVP, 5 times NBA MVP, 14 times All Star, 3 times All-Star game MVP, 10 times All-NBA First Team, All NBA Second Team, 9 times All NBA Defensive First Team, NBA Rookie of the Year, NBA All-Rookie First Team, 10 times Scoring Champ, 3 times Steal Leader, 2 times Slam Dunk Contest Winner, 3 times AP Athlete Of The Year.
To you, whether MJ or Lebron being the GOAT is not that important. What is more important is that you are open-minded. That is a huge asset that you possess compared most people in this world.
Heeeyy !!! We got him, boys !! Truth always prevails !! 😂
We watched you go from cognitive dissonance to grief, and finally acceptance. Props for being man enough to admit it, a lot of younger people can't do the same even when they know the facts. It doesn't mean you can't love Lebron more than MJ though, I would even say it's normal since you grew up watching him, you can't have the same emotional attachment to Jordan. But stats and facts don't lie, MJ was as close to perfection as one could be when it came to basketball. If you wanna know more about his Wizards years, you should react to "Jordan's underrated years as a Wizards". I could bombard you with stats but I don't want to spoil it lol, it's worth watching 😁
Very well said, sir.
Yea it was hard to face the facts but you can’t deny greatness😂😂. I’ll check out that wizards video soon!!
No he was a bronze medalist in the Olympics before Kobe came and bailed them out. Lefraud is the mentally weakest superstar of all time period.
Exactly. LEFRAUD is the most overrated athlete I've seen in my lifetime.
@@sethbullock4193 I mean.. I dunno man. I'm a Jordan fan myself but be realistic.
LeBronze
Gold in flopping
@terrellgist9097 🙄um KD...
It's hard for people who didn't get to watch Jordan in real time to realize how great he really is unless they do their research, especially when you have ESPN clowns like Nick Wright. It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong and shows personal growth to be objective over personal feelings. Kareem, Lebron, and Jordan are definitely top 3, and after that, the top ten can be debatable.
Facts. I’m 42 and I can say I watched most of Jordan’s career and all of lebrons so far. Lebron is a legit great. Personally I got him 3 behind Kobe, a very close 3
I meant Lebron!!
What about Wilt??
@@glenroybrathwaite1531Wilt never led a team to a championship title, did he? I know he won one or two late in his career where he wasn't a focal point. I counter with:
Where is Bill Russell?
For real … u cant feal the pressure of the moment in highlights
Detroit Pistons beating a stacked Lakers team with Prime Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, and a bunch of very good role players and the Dallas Mavs, only Dirk as the superstar for that year, beat the stacked Miami Heat in 2011 are two of the biggest upset in the history of the NBA Finals.
I love it how when Lebron loses its "oh hes got no help." But when Jordan lost with a terrible Bulls team to a Celtics team with 5 HOFers its "Oh Bird kicked Jordans ass"
Everyone keeps forgetting that when you are on top, like Jordan was, you are going to get EVERYONES best... they want to take you down and prove themselves..... the fact that Jordan was that consistent and that amazing is god tier.
Preach brother!
LeBron been getting peoples best since his rookie year. The mid 00’s is the greatest era of defense in NBA history. Jordan hardly played against anyone 250+lbs.
@@WhatsBigginThat Bronze medal hanging over LBJ think an Achor. That was the first time USA lost since sending Pros Kobe had to come save them.
@@letarivera203 Angry OLD Hoops has a redeem team vid that was good on that
@WhatsBiggin He was a shooting guard. Back then they played their true positions so yeah he wasn't going to play anyone that size. That's a power forward size.
Doesn’t take anything from Lebron. But yes, MJ is the best player of all time. Also, Jordan was a good defender at the wizards. Maybe a step slower, but he was still really good. He locked down Vince Carter in a game and it was intense. Last thing I’ll add to the discussion is to the shooting percentage. MJ having to finish at the rim in a league that had far more presence in the paint than what Lebron has had to deal with. Not really his fault, but it’s true.
Love your videos man. You plan on watching other sports? Would love to see you watch Barry Sanders. Unless you’re not a football guy lol
Barry #20 the RB 🐐
Stop just stop
@@momopeebles7238 stop what?
@houseontherock8345 ...Michael Jeffrey Jordan isn't the greatest of all time, the greatest winner of all time. Jordan is one of the greatest of all time. Bill Russell is the greatest winner in team sports, PERIOD!!!
A 3peat TWICE in the same damn decade is the greatest accomplishment in Sports history.
No ,it did pissed us off when labron said he was the goat,do you remember what the quote said at the first of the film,when you're good at something you'll tell everyone, when you're great at something they'll tell you,Jordan's never said he was the goat everyone else is saying it
My favorites are Kobe and MJ. I use to say Kobe was the most talented and skilled. I would say Kobe was more talented than Lebron. But when I started to see these MJ highlight videos, I started to change my tune. Jordan was like nothing I’ve ever seen. Then I saw this. MJ is iconic and legendary.
Agreed….
Born and raised in Chicago so I had to go to Milwaukee for bucks vs bulls games do to price lol. Same drive time from north suburbs. Watching him live, make u for give him and how he treated u as a 13 yr old who made his "jordan team". I made it, (top 10 people he never watched, he watched 1 qtr in his camp.) His camp was trash and my years at Ray Meyers was the best summers of my life.
Still...Jordan is the goat and u have to earn ur spot. I get it, but it's ruff to be THE goat in sports period. Jordan embarrassed mutumbo and Ewing...dude killed everyone at their position!? How!!! Goat
Jordan had a 48” vertical at 6’ 6”
That's crazy!!
tied with wilt as the highest ever.
I think it was less than that.
@@thorntonwilliams3851 try google
Your wrong
I don’t even really watch reaction videos but the fact you’re open minded and can actually admit to changing your prospective I subbed to the channel. Good luck young man.
Queez, you bout the most honest of all converted. You actually sat, watched, listened and internalized all the info and stats, and thats hard, even listening to the analytical data. But my guy, you grew, big ups to you for that. Plus, MJ still holds the highest vert ever, if no one has came along higher than his 48in vert. Ill try to catch more of your vids bro, peace from an Old Head.
BJ Armstrong said MJ got so good at scoring that he ended up only focusing on closing out and finishing the game. That’s why he’s so clutch.
When MJ plays point guard for 11 games: 30.4 PTS 10.7 AST 9.2 RB 2.5 STL 0.9 BLK .498 FG% attempt and I think he had 15 assists in the first game as a PG.
There was basketball before Jordon, unfortunately James fans don't seem to get that there was basketball before him too.
Most of us hated Jordan when he was playing our teams but we soon recognized he was a beast. He never flopped, never pouted, no tantrums and never walked out on his team. Not to mention that dude has swag.
Why do you think all the other best atletes in the world wanted to " Be Like Mike".
I give you credit for being open minded and objective on this topic Youngblood. I have friends (old heads) who I’ve shown this video to & they literally called it “fake news” despite all the statistical facts & data this man spit out on this video. Proof it’s better to be young & teachable rather than old & stubborn. Truth is most of them were fans of other teams & players back in the day & MJ was crushing their dreams back then so they can’t let go of the grudge lol.
Some things to keep in mind. MJ in '88 I think won the scoring title, DPOY and league MVP in the same year. Who else is doing that?????
The records for highest ppg avg in any NBA Finals series is 41.0 ppg.....still held by MJ against the Sun's in '93.
Jordan only played with 2 top 75 players in his career... Rodman and Pippen. How many has LeBron played with???? Kylie, AD, Wade, Bosh, Shaq, Love (maybe), D Howard, Ray Allen, Westbrook...and so on. Jordan never moved from team to team, he simply got tougher, better and was more hungrier.
in 88 he also led the league in steals which he did 3 times and retired 2nd all time in that stat, he's now 4th but still has the best game average at 2.35. People tend to forget Jordan did it all and at a very high level.
In 88 he also scored 2868 points which is 6th best all time the year before he scored 3041 points which is 3rd of all time. James best year was 2478 which is good for 32 off all time in the top 30 Jordan holds 6 of those.
facts.. These LB fans really do not know baskeball.. This is not taking away from LJs greatness, but the GOAT is clearly MJ all day.
This is the best and most moving reaction video I've ever watched !
Thanks for your open-mindedness and sport loving honesty. Going through this video as you grew up watching and admiring Lebron amazing carreer and skill set must have been tough but you came out the bigger and wiser man here.
One happy new suscriber I am to your Channel.
Cheers from France !
Good reaction video. Must’ve been hard being objective for your favorite player. And good job being classy. Thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work. 🙏
It’s not that he’s a better passer because he has more assists. It’s that he would pass more. That’s it.
or he is not that great a shooter that is why he passes more hahaha
@@zights I guess you missed those 3 point contests and all Bird's clutch dagger 3s.
You said jordan couldnt last as long as lebron. Simple analogy, say lebrons era is like a cashier at mcdonalds and jordan era is like a hard physical labor job which job will help your body last longer. The abuse that lebron hasnt ever faced with open lanes isnt special. He would never play that long if he played in jordans era and was abused as much as m.j. FACTS
Lmao thats a crazy analogy ngl
Well that's not the best analogy nor is it necessarily true. Kareem played 21 years and most of that time was in an even tougher era. Playing for a long. Of time has more to do with conditioning genetics as well as some luck involved
@str8duval over half of kareems career, the game was more of a finesse game, not a physical one. Go watch. Not a lot of banging down low. Also strong big and athletic wasn't the norm back then. Wasn't that physical compared to jordans era. that's facts. Besides all that, lebums era is easily 10x less physical than the 80s, which equates to less abuse and a longer career. Also facts
@iriemon3504 just because you say facts after every statement doesn't make it completely true LOL. Bottom line is Kareem still played 21 seasons. Basketball is inherently physical in every era and the most physical in the 80s. You could also argue that this way better athletes today that they was at the 80s which would be factual. Even still all the way better athletes still don't play 20 seasons at a high level.
@str8duval I
not true. The bigger, stronger people are the more physical the play when the rules allow you to be dirty physical like in m.j era.. For you to say the 70s and lebums era was physical in comparison to the 80s when they were literally playing dirty physical play and players said they weren't trying to guard people but trying to hurt them and put them out of the game is preposterous. Did you watch Kareems era. It was a finesse game, that's facts and lebums era is soft defensively that's also facts. Did you even watch m.j era. Were they deliberately trying to hurt players in kareem or lebums era. Nope.
Jordan never got a chance to win the “greatest championship” because he could never lose enough to be down 1-3. 🤣🤣🤣
The king of the tomahawk jam was Dominique Wilkins, and Jordan vertical was 49-50 inches, James is 44.... also you keep saying LeBron was 4-6 in the finals, that doesn't make his losses in the finals any better... you're claiming that Kevin Durant losing OKC and going to the Warriors was weak? LeBron lost in Cleveland and then took his behind to Miami to JOIN Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh.... it's the same thing that Durant did, only LeBron did it first, so stop ignoring the fact that LeBron left Cleveland WITHOUT telling them he was even considering leaving....LeBron coming back from being down 3-1 and beating the Warriors, go back Abe watch HOW he was able to come back....remember the SO-CALLED Draymond Green crotch shot called AFTER THE GAME in favor of LeBron? Green was suspended for 2 games for a kick in the groin that wasn't there once you looked at it on camera....LeBron never fell to the floor, he never grabbed his crotch, he never even complained to thr referees..... that fake call was made overnight by the league, and the fans didn't know about it until right before game 5 ? You claim that LeBron would take teams to the playoffs over Jordan??? What rules are you playing under?? If Jordan played under the soft rules of today's league, he goes to the finals all10 times, and he doesn't lose any of those series, especially if he played the same teams that LeBron played, and as a matter of fact, the Dallas Mavericks team that has Jason Terry running rimshot over LeBron James, and sweeping him in that finals, Jordan actually played that same team 7 times, and beat them 5 out of 7 times..... Jordan is the GOAT
Very mature, but more importantly intelligent of you to look at facts and let them drive your conclusion. Nice job!
One thing I don't like is when Bron fans love bigging him up for playing at a high level in year 20 etc. But then when his weaknesses or short comings are brought up, they say well he's in year 20 what you expect? You can't champion him for winning his 4th ring as a laker, breaking the scoring title as a laker and then give an excuse for his failures, lack of defensive effort etc as a laker. We don't give Mike excuses as a wizard. He was out for 2 years and clearly wasn't the same player. Had some good moments and dropped 50 and 40 balls and had some duds. It is what it is. Gotta take the good with the bad but his effort was always there.
I mean both can be true. Both LeBron and Mj played at high levels when they were older but at the same time they're always going to be obvious shortcomings due to age.
@@str8duvalyes but we dnt make excuses for mj,bcuz he never makes excuses for himself,but lebron fans follows lebron example of either blaming others for lebrons failures or making excuses for bron smh
@fitzroy6970 that's false and you know it. Every fanbase is exactly the same. I've heard thousands of people bring up MJ's age as a reason or excuse for the wizard years just like I've heard thousands of people bring up his teammates or why he didn't have much success in the 80s. Same with LeBron and any other player. Ain't nobody walking around here saying MJ didn't make the playoffs as a wizard because he wasn't good enough
What are you talking about. Seriously. Short comings. Mj could only take his teams to the finals 6 times. And lb was dragging alot worse teams to the final than mj
Lebron had to pass more because he cant hit a shot in the clutch .
saying Bird is better than Bron is like saying Bron is better than MJ
I’m glad you came around. There is still hope for the future 😂
Admitting that Jordan is the goat doesn't change the fact that you're a fan of LeBron, I watch Jordan and LeBron play, Jordan is the goat but I appreciate LeBron greatness in this era by the best in this era and I love watching LeBron play I think that makes me a LeBron fan and doesn't change that I'm a Jordan fan too but LeBron it's just not the goat... great video reaction 👌 👏
LeBron is not even in his wall behind him or his bed or his shirt 🤷🏾♂️
Apparently, you haven't heard of the shrug game. Players called out Jordan's 3-point shooting abilities. The first game he drained 6 -3's in the first half (probably still a finals record). If Jordan wanted to be the PG or wanted to shoot 3's he would have been successful. The fact he felt he was a better SG. He was a relentless worker and took bad remarks towards him to heart.
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Go look it up.. There was a stretch in his early career that Jordan was moved to PG for like a 25 game period. He averaged 30.4 points, 10.7 assists, 9.2 rebounds, and 2.4 steals in 39.8 minutes over 24 games. He had like 10 of 11 games of triple doubles. Also, if you go and look at Michael Jordan's stats, He had four seasons that he took 200 or more 3pt. His LOWEST percentage during those seasons was 35% and his HIGHEST was actually 42%... He AVERAGED over 37%. If I remembered correctly. He expanded his game because critics doubted he could evolve to a three point shooter. He took things like that personally.
GREAT stat! @@MookieLoLo
@@MookieLoLo His best 3 point shooting seasons were when the league was experimenting with the shorter 22' 3 point line. When they moved the line back again his numbers went back to normal. All of that is not to say that MJ couldn't have been a great 3 point shooter if he wanted to be.
@@cobra7282 sometimes.i think people overvalued the 3pt line distance argument. A whole 1 1/2 inches is not that significant if you really look at it. Especially in the corners. . Most players don't SHOOT right behind the line.. so it may not be as significant as a difference that most people claim. My argument is take if Jordan DECIDED to SHOOT more volume 3pts, he could've been more respectable as a 3pt shooter over his career. The thing is that he DIDNT NEED to SHOOT that many 3pt to be effective. HIS STRENGTH WAS THE MIDRANGE and thr POSR as a.guard.
You a real one for this. A real hooper can be objective and recognize game. Big 🫡
Respect to you. You got it right. From an Old Timer who saw Wilt play.
LJ could win seven rings and he'd still be known for flopping and lazy defense and chasing all stars around the league. After the espys he can expect to hear a lot of boos this year. Also, his game doesn't have anything about it I'd call amazing. MJ was amazing every night.
They did dare jordan to shoot 3s. Check the finals against the Blazers in 92 and do THAT reaction
Something people forget but Michael Jordan won the Olympics with college players while the other countries played with professionals. He was a winner on all levels
Jordan was in his mid 30s on the bulls as well. You can't say Bron is older so his Defense is worse yet he's still scoring just like he was young again. He just don't play D like MJ
Such a great video! I understand why you're a LeBron fan, it's an era thing and that's what you've grown up with. It takes a real one to learn about the past and grow your knowledge.
I agree that LeBron has the skill and athleticism to be up there, I just don't like him because of his attitude off the court. Ever since the Selection, I just lost respect for him. He chased the title instead of building it from the ground up.
But again, a great video!
Respect for your objective review. By the way, LeBron has Larry Bird in his top three of all time along with Jordan and Dr. J.
You've done yourself a great service young king
You seem to think it's a good thing that LeBron was able to come back 3-1, but how is that better than never letting the opponent get 3 wins, EVER in 6 different Finals??
I watched both of their career's it's not even close. MJ is the G.O.A.T!
Facts 👍💯
If you want another 3-1 defecit comeback to go on and win a title, Birds Celtics 81 Eastern Conference Final against Dr J and his 76ers was the real Final that year 😂, and there's a video on that!
It's nice to see someone admit when they were wrong...as a man in his 40s who grew up during the Jordan Era in Chicago, ...I'm glad to see the hardest working player in the game get his props
Growing up 15 mins from great America...I've seen both live.
Get over it.
Mj would beat lebron NOW imo.
Tell me I'm wrong
Respect for this video. I can see the mental struggle it took but you are being honest and objective and that is admirable.
Aye, much respect to you for being non biased and honestly looking at the evidence. Most LeBron guys just ride or die despite the evidence saying otherwise. To be honest, the majority of MJ fans know and recognize that LeBron is a Hell of a player. It’s just his off court antics and most of all his blind followers/fans. I’m not sure which is worse, LeBron fans or Beyoncé fans. You can’t critique his game without being a hater. That’s what brings LeBron down in many of our eyes. On court, he is a BEAST of a player….we can deal without all of the antics.
This is one of the greatest days of my entire life. Dont be mad about being here Quez. Take it all in. Breathe that fresh mountain air.
Jordan shot better when he started taking MORE threes, which shows how much more effective he’d be in today’s era which encourages it.
(A lot of his early year threes were half-court heaves at the buzzer or a rushed attempt before the shot clock expired)
He hardly focused on them.
When he started to focus on threes, he became effective.
Seasons with less than 75 attempts:
1984-85: 52 attempts - .173
1985-86: 18 attempts .167
1986-87: 66 attempts - .182
1987-88: 53 attempts - .132
Jordan (in seasons BEFORE the league shortened free throw line for three seasons), 200+ attempts:
1989-90: 245 attempts - .376
1992-93: 230 attempts - .352
Jordan was also great in the Finals, when it mattered.
In the three Finals series in 91, 92, and 93, he shot 42% from three and held a record at the time for three pointers made in a half.
And again, this was BEFORE they moved the three point line in.
Good video bro, wise man for changing your mind aswell. 💯
MJ played for the Wizards in his 40's, and still didn't take plays off
He's injured but still played all 82 games and look at their roster on that washington team and he only played because of love of the game not chasing ring unlike ur Leflop keep on chasing ring 😂 jumping from a superteam to another superteam.
At the time of this video Lebron was the same age as Jordan in the Bulls. So she cannot be used as an excuse to not play defense for Lebron. Even in a Lakers jersey, he was no older than MJ in a Bulls jersey. Mj made first team all defense in his last Bulls season.
Bro he was down 3-1 because he sucks.. MJ never got behind 3-1, so it's more of an indictment on LeBron
The basketball angels are rejoicing that you have found your way!
Good job! Not only did MJ never get accused of flopping, but he certainly wasn't KNOWN for it!!!😂🤣😝
Yeah basically if you flopped in front of MJ it almost be like he's looking down at you giving you that stare. But then Mike helps you up.
his last word of caution to you simply is do it again I'll be more than happy to put you on the floor🤣🤣
Regarding your point @ 36:28
Did you know MJ's 3pt % 37.6 on the 89-90 season and 35.2 on the 92-93 season, years in which the 3pt line was not shortened?
I understand young NBA fans thinking LeBron is the Goat. But anyone who’s old enough to watch Jordan and Bron’s careers, MJ is clearly better. Better offensive weapon, much better defender, more scoring crowns, more MVPs, more titles, more finals MVPs. I mean c’mon, bro…
LMAO! MY MAN! Now you see the light! Also peep "MJ best defender ever" and "MJ post-up powerhouse" videos. I saw on another video you like handles. I'm gonna give you a name you may or may not know. Kenny Anderson. peep some of his highlights from college and the pros. Oh and peep the part 2 of the MJ rare footage (Voyager)
I’ll check those videos out soon!!
Longevity is not everything. Anyone can put stats up if they just keep playing longer. That’s still an accomplishment. But is common sense that the numbers will just go up if you play longer. To see how relevant the stats are though, compare how long it took them to get those stats. You’ll see how the goat rises to the top.
LOL let's not go too far Vince Carter has played even longer and his stats went down. It's not something anyone can do
@@str8duval Depends what stats. You gotta be specific.
@zonedout5998 damn near all of them LOL
It's okay, young fella! 😂 Some of your reactions had me rollin'!
There are a couple of points that younger fans would miss. 1.) How incredibly important that shooting outside 3ft stat was in Jordan's time. In crunch-time, the common saying was "the refs are going to let the players decide it" meaning they are going to swallow their whistles. EVERYONE knew this. Announcers would always say it at the end of close games. If you just drive in during crunch-time, you're going to get hammered with no call and throw up a pathetic attempt. It was much safer to pull up for a clean mid-range shot. 2.) Jordan didn't even have a 3pt line in college. This is how unimportant it was during his time. He was an excellent shooter. In this era...with more focus put into the shot, he'd likely be similar to Kawhi and Ant from beyond the arc. Oh, and college actually meant something at that time. The college game was huge and Jordan was one of the first dudes to cut his college career short by 2 years. College was probably bigger than the NBA at that time.
Nice Reaction!!! Another enlighten soul.
Got to keep it real😂
Nah fr😂😂
Lebron played with 12 hall of gamers through out his career
Jordan played with 5
And juggernaut Rodman was only there for 3 rings why people act like he was there for all of them
And pippen average 16 points a game
DwAde 22 points a game
Bosh -19 points
Anthony Davis -22 points
Kyrie -23 points
Lebron had the most help for all his rings Jordan had the least help
I didn’t include Ray Allen etc .
I appreciate your honesty!
I’m probly biased since I’m a Cleveland native and Cavs fan and only a year younger than Lebron. But after watching every Lebron game for years and after his run in 2016, how can Lebron not = GOAT? I don’t care what the “Lebron vs Jordan” comparison says, or how many “Jordan best plays” are made, I know what I see. And just before the pandemic I saw a Cavs vs Bulls early 90s classic on CZcams and I made it a point to zero in on Jordan and watch objectively. And before ppl say “you can’t just watch one game” well I also made it a point that I would watch a few more Jordan games before my final judgement but even b4 I finished the first half I was like “🫣oh…😧shit……😔nvm” The more I’ve gone down the Jordan rabbit hole the more I’ve had to face the misleading disingenuous Lebron narratives they use to justify the “goat debate” that I bought into
I have a lot of respect for you. You know your stuff and you went in with an open mind. Much respect
This kid is CASUAL af and knew NOTHING about LeBron, whom was suppose to be his favourite player smh
List for me is this:
1) LeBron James
2) Michael Jordan
3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4) Larry Bird
5) Kobe Bryant
6) Wilt Chamberlain
7) Karl Malone
8) Magic Johnson
9) Kevin Durant
10) Shaquille O'Neal
Kd in your top 10?!? Very valid lost Brody🔥
@@queztheplug, so I began thinking Jordan had the most illustrious career, then I looked over statistics and thought LeBron just might have beat him. Later I came to the conclusion that Jordan was more professionally on point where he needed to be, but then I realized I think LeBron sees possibilities better than anyone, like assists and that is what matters for teamwork and so then I realized LeBron is the one who can assess what is missing better than anyone and be the juggernaut that defeats the amazing team while still keeping the team looking their best for the win. In the case of Jordan I am not so sure he could win if you threw him into various teams and so which is the better player walking into any basketball game?
Now as to Kevin Durant, I like to throw in just enough to get a persons attention. Maybe I just got confused. I am not gonna hold to all of that list. Sometimes a misspelled word gets a conversation going. Isn;t dat the point of a comment to actually get dialogue?
The one fact least talked about....... Michael Jordan has made the #23 the most coveted number in sports, not just basketball but sports.
I respect you looking at everything objectively and being willing to make an assessment with new information. Great video!
PAUSE 🛑 😂 This is why I tell Lefans “Wait tell the stats r read” then it’s a different story😏 We were like two by Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe! When you start looking at these videos for yourself, your whole world changes! smh
Imma subscribe cause I sat here and watched u grow young man💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Question Do you really believe that you can fly?
Jordan: Yeah. For a little bit.
The thing is. Ppg, steals and block and turnovers depends mostly to you. Assist and rebound on the other hand depends on the team. Assist for example, once you pass i5. It all depends how good of a shooter they are to convert an assist.
Proud of you for objectively watching the video and coming to your conclusion. I wish you could've seen MJ play during his peak years... it was amazing.
Yes it was amazing. Nobody has dominated an entire league like he did during the 90s since he left...and I mean NOBODY!!! GOAT MJ!!!
Excellent video, I appreciate your ability to be objective and give your honest take on the subject. 💯
Nope! LeBronze won bronze twice in international competition. Sorry...
Lebron and Melo got a straight up 3rd place 🥉 bronze joint in 2004
Weren't they rookies and barely even played?
@@str8duval team usa prior to the 92 dream team always sent college players - and they had no problem lol
@JIX9ISLER1986 lol the talent gap was much wider back then. You should kno that
I watched Jordan play live, and I watched Bron play live... there's no comparison.
It's a great apples to apples comparison when he compared shooting 3 feet or beyond from the rim.
Top reaction fair play my friend that aint easy. I had to do the same in the early 90s as a larry bird fan to recognise jordan true greatness and to appreciate it while it was happpening in front of me on the tv screen.
I always thought as a teenager it was always going to be between magic and bird as the number 1 player ever. Then michael jordan came along and tore the history books up completely 😂.
When he dropped 63 against the celtics i knew this guy was special and even though bird and the celtics won you just knew this guy wasnt going away and was only going to get better.
Larry and magic saved the nba no doubt and without those 2 maybe there is no jordan which also means no kobe or lebron either. But he did take what bird and magic did and added to it by making basketball a world wide phenomenon.
tru dat
You say LeBron lost to the warriors in 2015 because Kyrie and Love were injured, but don't use the same logic when Andrew Bogut was injured and Draymond suspended in 2016. Yea, they came back 3-1, but golden state was missing a key big man, and their premier perimeter defender in Draymond. You can't use the logic for injuries when LeBron loses one year, but ignore it to support LeBron when he wins. Also LeBron and Tim Duncan won bronze in the Olympics twice until the implementation of Kobe, and then they won gold. Also adding LeBron to any team isn't an automatic finals. Adding LeBron and two other all stars is an automatic finals to be more correct. So no, putting LeBron on any team by himself isn't an automatic finals. He only carried that Cleveland team one time to the finals until he started teaming up with other all stars to help make those finals appearances. I still think LeBron is one of the greatest top 3 in my book, mix em how you want. I personally have Jordan 1. Good reaction tho, even with all my rebutles
Andrew bogut had nowhere near the impact on the finals that Kyrie and Kevin love had . Draymond getting suspended definitely played a part in the Cavs winning but that’s his fault for being dirty.
When kyrie left the Cavs LeBron carried them to the finals with nobody else on the squad the next year.
@@queztheplug Yes it is, because Andrew Bougut is a big man, and was the size of the team, which is important too, not just scoring. Bogut and Draymond being gone completely took away the size and screen setting for the warriors, which is really important and can still change the dynamics of a game. It's not just about scoring the ball, as the warriors had offense in Klay and Steph, their defense and size missing is what lost them the series. And there were people on that Cavs team. He had D wade who is still a veteran with skill, Derrick Rose who is not old Rose, but not a bum. Kyle Korver, who was a 3 point specialist, Kevin Love, Jordan Clarkson, Deandre Jordan, and J R Smith. That is a pretty solid team if you ask me. Kevin Love was the only all star that year, but he still had former all stars and MVP caliber players like Rose and d wade, and a 3 point specialist in Korver, and JR could get you 40 on any given night. A pretty good team, especially in the east. Just not big superstar names like on the heat. 2007 and 2018 are the years LeBron carried, not for all 10 finals like people like to make it seem. And I'm not trying to downplay those runs either. It just isn't the case for every finals run. He had help as well, just like everyone else.
When you look at traditional statistics.... No one truly compares to Wilt Chamberlain... Did Jordan or Lebron ever average 20 rebounds a game? Don't be fooled by the stats the commentary is giving you. Many of the advanced stats given where not recorded during Chamberlain's career
1.Jordan
2.Kobe
3.Lebron
Realizing Kobe is right there with Jordan is the next step for Lebron fans.
Jordan’s Wizard years were after a THREE YEAR hiatus, and the hiatus was during his mid-30s. At that time of one’s life, a hiatus from something will have a strong negative effect on your ability in that thing, especially in something as physical as basketball. Jordan came back, way out of basketball shape, and consistently became better until his big injury. And, yes, you can, and should, mention his injury, and its effect on his game, especially at that age and being right after a three-year hiatus. It is highly relevant. It ought to completely change how you evaluate his Wizard years, especially that first one.
Lebron’s 38-40 year old seasons has better outside Jordan’s Wizard seasons! Lebron didn’t take three years off and return out of shape and out of competition shape. Also, keep in mind the advancements in the knowledge and technology that goes into players being able to maintain their peak physical-ness that did not exist in Jordan’s era.
MJ never lost 3 games in a row his entire career
and the truth shall set you free my friend... 🎉🎉🎉
Mickey Mouse chip does not Count! They played less games and had 3 months break so No! Still 3 Superteam championships for Lebum!
That ring definitely count my guy. Almost all the Nba players that played in the bubble said it was the most difficult adjustment they ever had to face.
@@queztheplug Rigged scripted championship - so kobe "dies" and the lakers win the championship the same year ? in a lockout reduced season ? and what day did the lakers win the title ? October 11th 2020 this was a holiday called "FATHER DAUGHTER DAY" funny.....like kobe and Gigi
the nba is scripted sir - and before you cry coincidence I can tell you all about lebrons 2016 "ring" as well lol
@@JIX9ISLER1986 if the nba scripted then no rings count lol jordan and lebron have no rings according to you
@@queztheplug Exactly - I can tell you all about Jordan as well
Jordan won his 3rd ring in 1993 vs the Suns and his total points for that playoffs was 666 points (666 mark of the beast)
His Father "dies" Then Jordan "retires"
comes back for full season 95-96 season - Bulls win nba record 72-10 and what holiday did Jordan win his 4th ring on ? FATHERS DAY
Jordan proceeded to win his 2nd 3peat all in 6 games =666
I am well studied on the topic the NBA NFL MLB ect all being rigged - its not illegal for any sports league to rig/script games -
Kobe Bryant scored his 81 point game on his 666th career regular season game
take away his 81 the rest of his team scored 41 points "kobe dies at 41"
Kobes final nba game kobe scored 60pts. Take away kobes 60pts the rest of the team scores 41 points "kobe dies at 41"
his final shot that he hit he was being guarded by jersey number 41....Kobe Bryant checked out of the game at exactly 4.1 seconds
Shaq is a proud freemason....Lebron is boule (black secret society) the black version of skull and bones fraternity ....look at the tattoo on his check HE HAS THE BOULE. logo on his chest ! no conspiracy -
@@queztheplug 2016 NBA finals
If the NBA is not Fixed/Rigged explain the following
Games 1-6 The Warriors and the Cavs scored the EXACT SAME NUMBER OF POINTS 610 each - This is like a mathematical impossibility - unless the score spread was being manipulated - which it was and is -still currently
Game 7 Lebron aka "king James" wins his cavs ring on June 19th 2016
why is that day important you ask ? because that is the REAL king James birthday (KJV Bible) June 19th 1566
Cleveland area code 216 (2016)
nothing but facts stated you can verify all
You gotta do the 23 unbreakable records from Jordan bro