The Sandro Tonali Situation.
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- My father and I speak out, about footballer Sandro Tonali after being charged on suspicion of football gambling following allegations during Italy National Team camp.
Other players linked: Nicolo Zaniolo of Aston Villa & Nicolo Fagioli of Juventus, what a story that has unwound here. Comment your personal thoughts.
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This video is mainly focussed to identify the bigger problem. We must put a stop all together with gambling in football or these situations will reoccur.
Did Tonali ban at Newcastle 🧐@theo
South Africa fan🇿🇦✊️
Why is betting such a big deal?
because of yellow cards u could bet them to get a yellow and if u tell them to do it @@RabbitScores
@@nathigaming2236 Not as of yet. Newcastle are helping him in the battle against the addiction I believe. If he got a ban of the Italian FA that would be a footballing ban which means he isn't allowed to play any form of football or train at the club. Because the Italian FA is part of the UEFA this ban is applicable to all matches in competitions that are part of the UEFA system. He is facing a ban from UEFA, not Newcastle it seems.
@@Delmar9885 ouky
AC Milan pulled off a masterclass with that transfer! 😂😂😂
Maybe they knew
@@soberski555they didn't know
@@nicolocaruana438But his agent did!
And ofc m’y team gets the worst out of it just classic nufc
And the players they got in exchange make it even better
Good commentary on a horrible situation. As I've commented on other videos regarding this topic, the EPL and others are plenty happpy to make money off of gambling sites and the like, which ruin many people's lives. For the world to be so shocked when footballers join in on it is crazy. Yes, they should not do it (I don't believe anybody should gamble, frankly), but when 20-year-olds get millions of dollars they sometimes do stupid things. Tonali should be disciplined, but then I think Newcastle should welcome him back with checks in place to make sure he does not fall back into the gambling nonsense.
As a Geordie.. I'm dying inside💔
Tonali should keep gambling. 99% of gamblers quit before their first big break, even if he goes into millions of dollars of debt, he will make it all back if he wins.
Shut up
Damn thats crazy. Im so sorry For Tonali because he admitted it. Please recover 🙏 from this addiction as your a fine footballer.
i love ur videos!!!!!! its very entertaining. Keep it up!!!😘
Hi Theo, I completely agree with you both on this. Middlesbrough sell shirts with betting on them to children due to their sizings. We as the TDL need to club together and boycot shirts with betting sponsors and then the clubs with these sponsors will back away from these companies.
sorry for the negative comment yesterday bro, keep up the good work 🤍
What do you mean? He gets thousands
@@goatxd10he's still human 🤷
In the past, certain football players engaged in betting on their own games, resulting in suspicious behaviors such as purposely halting their team's scoring after one goal or playing excessively defensively against teams they typically scored multiple goals against. Harry Maguire was also observed playing oddly, often inhibiting his team's scoring or even intentionally scoring own goals, prompting suspicions of gambling. These occurrences raise questions about the integrity of football and goal-scoring, particularly when betting companies offer high odds for strong teams. It is possible that these companies possess insider information on the betting tendencies of some of their clients, including footballers and managers, enabling them to predict potential scores accurately.
Gonna be Interesting to see how we go about things in thr future
As a newcastle fan I’m feeling so bad for him
@@craig3613he needs time to adapt idiot
@@craig3613tbf newcastle are absolute dogshit of a team
Hes been shit for u anyway
its his fcking fault
Needed to hear what thogden thought, cheers
@thogden I need that Italy kit you wearing
Piece of beauty
It's important that nobody diagnoses another person on social media, Theo
Apparently he had a gambling addiction, so I hope he recovers from that.
It's not an addiction. It's called dedication 🗣❗️
nope
I completely agree with Theos final analysis, but it's impossible. Even if England or indeed the UK banned betting, its still all over Europe and the world. You need a better solution than that
I liked tonali. I will have to see what happens. Also 1st. Hi th thogden your my favorite CZcamsr
PART 2 PLS!!!!
as a newcaste fan both me and my dad believe thaat we will stck behind tonali at all costs. Think about it this way he is only 23 IF he is bananed for a year when he comes back he will be 24t abd he could turn out to be one of the vest midfielders in the prem. Us geordies will back him all the way 🖤🤍
Hope Sandro comes back stronger
Ac Milan needed to finance the summer transfer market and they chose to sell tonali when the offer came from Newcastle, it’s harsh for Newcastle but I really believe Ac Milan didn’t know. They just wanted to sell one of their stars to complete the missing pieces in their already good squad
Absolutely
Very likely that they knew.
@@cesco7 That kind of talk is slander-worthy.
Zaniolo is in the clear he’s been playing poker and blackjack not betting on football
I didn't know, good news for Villa fans that.
That was originally the claim from Tonali too.
Not for Fabrizio Corona
He’s just young still love him but I will miss him one half ❤ 2 nd half😢
Betting/gambling in italy is EXTREMELY common, sadly.
Its also sponsored everywhere!!! Its a shame ...
Tonali getting a year ban for it is peak for Newcastle our midfield already is riddled with injuries and with how fast fixtures come with europe it sill only get worse
This and the sale of Tonali (who at Milan was a future icon and a fan of AC Milan since he was a child) are the reasons why I am slowly distancing myself from the world of football. And the scandal seems to involve almost all the young players in Italy.
It is a shame what is happening with Sandro Tonali i hope he can get the help and support he needs to overcome his addiction
First❤ and thank you for the videos Thogden
Milan completely saw Newcastle coming. The transfer seemed fishy from the very start and it now makes complete sense. Milan have cashed in before the inevitable poo hit the fan. They will have known this was coming
A friend suggested to bring Shelvey back on a short-term loan (Jan - season end). Then, find a long-term replacement. I mean, Shelvey wouldn't start, but would be a backup to our backups...
i thought shelvey improved under eddie howe! it's not a no brainer🤔
Newcastle needs someone else besides Bruno to play the 6. Shelvey was awful in that role under Howe
We are waiting for the predictions broh
The biggest problem in my opinion is the ridiculous number of betting sponsorships. Vast majority of the football clubs have betting companies as their main sponsor. They incentivise these players to promote these betting companies while ruining the carriers of the very same players even if they don't bet on their own teams. To me, advertising betting compenies is equally or more harmful than advertising alcohol producers (especially beer producers). You want them to advertise your evil enterprise to their fans, who have two pennies to their name and bet their livelyhood every week, while the players themselves who are rich af and don't care if they loose a 100k bet get absolutely ruined? Doesn't make sense...
Look I’m Italian and I can say that fagioli got in deep shit with the mafia, because he went full panic mode. First he says that he owed money to the website and then threw a teammate under the bus. Mhhhhh something fishy is happening.
As an Italian fan following this story closely here in Italy I was pleasantly surprised with how Thogden reported on this story accurately. So much better than Guardian, BBC, telegraph etc who didn’t bother researching before posting surface level basic information
d’accordo
This is so hypocritical tho. I mean how come every league has so many gambling sponsors but as soon as it’s linked with a player they get a year ban 🤦♂️. Look I fully understand it’s a rule but I think the hypocrisy is beyond me.
I hate it when people just assume people have done something wrong,I have no hope for society
Tonali and his agent literally admitted to it you bonehead. Wtf are u on about
Just think there’s probably lower league players earning not soo much with gambling addictions knowing they can’t ask for help as they’ll get banned and become jobless, it’s not worth asking for help which is wrong
Guys… work together not against each other
Poor man he’s addicted especially at such a young age and such a young talent any ammount of time not playing can be very damaging for such a young player
Toon fan here, tonali always seemed quite a peculiar signing. I thought something was up
I am a juventus fan and fagioli banned is very sad tonali is one of my favorites and zaniolo is class.
What do we think players are gonna do? They all grew up with ads being thrown in their face on the matches they watched. It’s only going to be getting worse as time progresses
As a Newcastle fan I think that we’ve completely been done here. No doubt Milan would have knew about his addiction. It has to be said what reason did Tonali really have to come to newcastle ? Milan have cashed in before shit hit the fan. And also I don’t think he has a gambling addiction I think he has done a very stupid thing and should face the consequences, bus the media will spin it that way.
As a Milan fan, we don’t have oil money to throw around. They’ve incorporated a “moneyball” system to deal with finances. So when Newcastle comes knocking on the door with a massive offer (an overvaluation in my opinion), they won’t say no to such capital gains. Nonetheless, this is unfortunate for both Tonali and Newcastle.
Tonali is the most expensive player Milan has ever sold. It was an offer they couldn't refuse and they needed that money to reinforce the team, which they did. I don't think they scammed Newcastle.
It would be easy to determine if Tonali is addicted - just look at the volume and frequency if bets made.
Tonali got double the wage, if he really has an addiction it might be why he left Milan
Like the idea of banning betting in football but it will just go to the organised crime and dodgy black market websites so will be tough to eliminate and the resources required
I think there should be a limit on how much you can bet in a certain amount of time
What's with the eerie music? I thought I had some podcast playing in the background 😂
As Milan fan, I'm very disappointed on hearing that Tonali betted on Ac Milan's matches too. The good thing is that he betted only on Milan's wins, so he couldn't influence the result, but I can see him under a different light now, as I wonder if the passion that he put on the field came from the fact that he's an Ac Milan's fan or from the thought of the bet.
As a person I don't judge him much, as he's responsible for his own successes and failures, however it makes me think how wrong is the society, with people living miserably not by choice, and rich lucky people who creates themselves problems because they're bored.
As a Newcastle fan, I’m fuming. I was so happy that we got an experienced champions league player then he does this. Not a good start for Tonali.
Yes AC might have pulled our pants down but trust me with the help, support and time he will come good for us. Football time is fickle and in 18 months he will have a settled down in the city/country, appreciated the help and support from us and will become a premier League winner! Facts!
It's honestly just so sad.
As of right now all that has been said about tonali is that he was betting on ac Milan to win if I can remember correctly Toney was betting on his team to lose no? I think they both are very different circumstances
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In Italy a footballer cannot gamble on football games..
Personally i think that if you bet for your team to win when you dont play in that match that should be fine
i disagree because imagine your mate who was a player, plays in that game & you pre-arranged a bad tackle to get a card.. etc?
He means just betting on them to win not any specifics like cards
As a Milan fan, the idea of our club selling him because of gambling is non-sense. The biggest problem we have is depth and players leaving on a free (Calhanoglu, Donnarumma, Kessie, along with many others). When the offer came in for 70+M€ that was unheardof in serie A so we had to discuss it with the player. Tonali is still loved. He said he never wanted to leave Milan. But when the offer from NUFC came in, he saw the advantages and was open to the idea. His agent met with management at lunch on the day the offer became known. It was clear that Sandro thought it would be good for him and the club.
Did he cry ? Probably because he is emotionally connected to the club. Seeing Ibra, Maldini leave all made things complicated and he knew his time with us had come to a close. It's like when you retire or leave a relationship. Even if you believe it to be the right thing, you can still be emotional about it.
In the end Milan made a good decision, we got 70 million which was used to rebuild the team. I think Tonali will be back at Milan in a few years for a couple million and be a at Milan for years. We did good ❤️🖤
Here is my take . . He broke the rules, there are consequences and that is fair. What is unfair is all of the sensationalism surrounding the situation. Look at the title of the video, there are more players than just Tonali involved (I know that seems rich coming from a Newcastle supporter). Lets address the situation and not just one person. At the same time it needs to bee same punishment for all players involved! Rules where broken and you should not get a reduced sentence for (as you put it) "ratting" out your teammates. This is a massive issue within the game...... MORE SO FOR SUPPORTERS! Lets use this to get people the help that they need.
EDIT: I paused the video and typed that out, I'm glad that you mentioned the fans and supporters of clubs that are in the depths of these problems also!
Your dad wanted to speak on the matter I’m curious on his take
Toney did say he has a gambling addiction but no one cared
Nah most people don’t hate him. Once he is scoring for fun again they will be begging for him to get England call up
Gotta be careful legally , Zaniolo is completely in the clear apparently
What is the music at 8:05 by the way
He'll not play on Saturday - he'll be too distracted. He's looked "off" for the last few games - now we know why
I agree its a problem but cant ban something just because some people got a problem with it , should we ban alcohol because there is alcoholics ?
werent these guys advertising a betting app all throughout the World Cup ?
It's definitely the most reasonable cop out
I find the ‘if you think it’s an addiction, comment below’ uncomfortable.
While it’s good to raise awareness. That sounds very much like using a potential addiction to get interactions.
Yes I think he does
He did not cry when he left Milan..
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like for Thogden or Comment Thogdad
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My mans was just trying to run up a quick bag 🔥🥲
Shocked very crazy
What would happen if they bet on a different sport (NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.) ?
I think they still would get in trouble
What is it with these Italians and gambling on football matches 🤦🏼♂️ I don’t agree with banning players I think it’s ridiculous but I understand it’s to stop players from “match fixing”
let thogdad talk bruh
You will never stop gambling, we take a gamble every time we leave the house in the morning. Yes its addictive to some but for many it isn't. Do we ban alcohol because paul merson had a problem with it? No. Banning something for the masses because some people can't bet sensibly isn't the answer. It would be like banning cake because half of our country is addicted to sugar.
It seems like there are still problem in Italian football.
Ac Milan gave New castle a Trojan horse. Also the charges would very based on of Milan new about it and new about it or new about it and covered it up
Thogden doesn’t understand addictions add that to the list lads
Milan also needed to sell someone and interms off on the field ability he made the most sense
And all the fotball clubs and leagues have betting sponsers.... 🙂
Thogden I always love your content but as an AC Milan fan I have two words for you:
First of all 55 milion pounds plus bonus and in euro its 80 milion.
In Seria A unfortunately transfers give us the budget nowadays, Tonali value was 40, we got the double... ofc they accepted.
2) nobody is saying teammates knew, Ac Milan is out of this and for now only individuals of different teams are under investigation.
I know you want create the hype for the views but given how many people you reach with your videos you're doing us great damage.
We are already suffering for the Tonali situation we dont need you to make it worse with these unfounded allegations.
Zaniol actually admitted he bet on an illegal site in poker and blackjack, not with sport.
Every game you watch it's shirts sponsors are betting companies it's betting everywhere! I get betting on your own game ain't good but what do they think these players are? Saints? THEY ARE HUMAN
Btw none of the betting sites shut down they just changed their name
Bro why ppl keep gambling 🎰 its honestly so annoying to hear. Honestly so weird
If Milan knew it and pruposely sold him to us, I hope we charge them
This is messed up
hard to believe this is happening at the top level of football tbh
They deserve the exact same punishment Toney got.
Why’s that? Different situations. So you can’t say that.
Fagioli got pretty much the same length ban
the disproportion between the treatment of tonali ( the correct way) and the treatment of toney is shocking. Toney was ridiculed and treated like shit through the ban while Tonali has barely any negative pr. Where's the consistency in the treatment?
Do you want Tonali to get the same treatment as Toney? I think people are realizing this is a huge problem and a lot of players need help, Toney, Tonali etc. People generally overreact in the first instances, the Toney treatment should be viewed as a lesson. Everyone needs to stop comparing and just try learning why this is happening. Toney was used as an example unfortunately, but now most people understand this is rife throughout football and the players need more education not condemnation.
Great
12:52 Kalvin Phillips is no Sandro Tonali
The bigger question is, why did Tonali bet on dodgy websites?
If you ban legal better, you encourage illegal betting. There just needs to be more support. Hard topic for sure
Can’t believe it
it's actually crazy
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I got an ad from Italy Airways 💀
idk
seriously hate when thogdad has something to say and theo interrupts him. just wish he would stfu and just let him finish. its annoying
What fagioli said, or more the way he said it, is protecting himself by pushing someone else under the bus, it's a common tactic. In his quotes, he makes it sound like Tonali held a gun to his head, forced him to download the applications and to gamble. You can tell by the wording that he's trying to make him self sound like a victim more so than gambling addiction. Over the past 5 years, I've seen similar statements everywhere from people trying to shift the blame, play victim or manipulate. Could he have found out about the website by Tonali? yes, but the circumstances are likely different than what he said because of the wording used.
Gambling addiction is a serious condition, and once it takes hold it builds and builds and then you start gambling on things you shouldn't. The sport promoted gambling to the generation that are now playing heavily, the current generation are also being victimized in a culture shift around gambling. I don't think bans help, it should be a first and second offense issue. More support should be given to the players to get support for their gambling addiction, to continue to have their devices inspected once a year for x amount of years to ensure there's no gambling, and if theyfail that, that's when the lengthy bans should start.
As for Phillips. I'm not really a fan of taking other teams bench-warmers. Not on an out and out sale. I'd take him on loan to the end of the season and see how he does. He wants regular football and he's not guaranteed that at Newcastle, we have a lot of midfielders, if we lose Tonali, we need someone who can play a 6 and an 8 to cover Bruno when he's injured/suspended. But it also depends on the length of the ban and in both short and long term, loan with option to buy is the best way forward for all parties, if it were to happen.