True Geordie ANGRY as Tonali faces HUGE Ban!
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2023
- True Geordie is not happy as Newcastle United’s Tonali is set to be banned from football
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Welcome back to 'Brian creates a scenario to suit his argument'
Just an unbearable prick
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100%%% and plus! Being an addict makes it even worse!! That means he is more likely to keep gambling and potentially be involved in corruption! So 100% he should be severely punished. Screw whether he’s an addict or not. That makes it worse!!
Spot on. Brian is a chode
If this was a man United player, does TG defend the gambling accusations as much?
No haha course he doesn’t
Hell no
talksport would be all over this if united were involved
The fact that it’s presented as a question is laughable. Addiction or not - ban him.
Crazy contrast I’d say
The inconsistency in Brian’s arguments is laughable
he knows if it wasn’t a newcastle player he’ll be completely agreeing with them
he would be screaming for a 3 year ban for sure @@samuelbrown3326
It’s an integrity issue. Sick at how we make excuses for these multi millionaires. Addicts or not they have more provisions to better themselves than most normal people
Addiction ain't as simple as "i have money i'm cured" lol. Even if you can afford the best rehab. He should still be banned tho.
If anything money could enable them more, some addicts can change after hitting rock bottom by losing all of their money, these footballers cant get to rock bottom or close to significant downsides when they get paid over 100k a week.
@@Outklassed7there’s no way he was betting before he started playing football at academy/professional level. He started betting knowing he shouldn’t be betting as an athlete. Yes he may be an addict, but he walked into this fully aware of the consequences…
Absolutely rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!! Money does not heal the brain, Dont talk about such a sensitive subject if you have no experience in the matter.
Maybe he started betting on other sport. Still should face the full punishment tho@@TheBritishPitbulls
For Brian to imply there’s nothing wrong with betting on your own team is shocking
I still don’t understand what’s wrong with betting on your own team if it’s for them to win
@@kofi.10think it has to be a blanket rule bro. If you could be losing say 10mil on one bet, you could tamper with opponents food and water etc. Players have best friends in opponent teams, could say to them u lose this game, and I’ll sort u out money afterwards, could bribe officials who are on low wages, etc. Best to try minimise conflict of interest.
I agree but the fact he used an illegal site shows he clearly knew it was wrong
@@Yougottado I’m not even a Newcastle fan, but all of those things that you listed can happen whether or not you are betting on your own team and are separate serious offenses that should be punishable by serious bans. Independently betting on your own team isn’t compromising your performance or the performance of the refs and opposing team. I don’t think players should be betting on themselves and I think that it should be punishable, however bans for over a year of a players career is far too much for something that isn’t affecting the integrity of the game.
@@rorymclean1931 bro u literally tried to discredit my examples for why players shouldn’t bet on themselves to win and then just said players shouldn’t bet on themselves and didn’t even say a reason for it
TG a few weeks ago mentioned how he hated the weaponisation of mental health issues in sport but now when its his player he seems to want to take mental health into account.
As a gambling addict I find Geordie’s reasoning absolutely hilarious.
If Bruno Fernandes did this Bryan would be baying for blood. There has got to be consistency with what was done to Toney - they can’t make the rules up as they go along.
Funnily enough they don't make the rules. They're just some dudes podcast😂😂
You can't expect consistency from this podcast. If it were someone from Chelsea, you'd have the Chelsea guy bending over backwards to defend him, the same for the Spurs fan and so on. This is tribalism at its finest
The making rules up and expectation for consistency was directed at the PL decision makers. They were two separate thoughts. Hope that clears that up for you both.
Yeah but Bruno Fernandes is a cretin - everyone would be asking for him to be banned 😉😆
How can Brian say it doesn’t make a difference if it’s a legal website or not 🤣🤣
I don’t think Brian fully comprehends how serious this is. Cricket players were banned for 7 years in the past for similar offences. Betting by players had the potential to compromise the integrity of the whole game and ruin the sport
Appreciate there are some differences which is why I feel a year is fair
I understand the frustration of Newcastle fans, but being addicted doesn’t mean it’s a get out of jail free card. Perhaps a different punishment can be applied to Tonali, but it still needs to be significant enough to set a precedence and prevent future players from doing the same. He can receive support and the therapy he needs, but to suggest that it’s even remotely acceptable to bet because he has a problem means we are being far too lenient for a potential crime.
Noone said its free get out of jail card. You've created this yourself.
Stop it Brian
I mean you can try to convince me that AC Milan didn't know Tonali was about to be banned for a year before they sold him to Newcastle.
Yeah they definitely knew
He was using illegal betting apps to hide it from view. He knew what he was doing was wrong/ illegal or he would've been doing it on normal apps. Which isn't necessarily an indicator of addiction but it's a pretty clear indicator of having known that it was wrong/ illegal.
Technically its worse than Toney because Ivan Toney did not go to those lengths to hide it.
To argue he shouldn’t get the same as Toney at least says it all.
I find it ironic though that we have this story that's all over the football news, but then half the time when I watch football videos I'm getting bombarded by ads for gambling sites, etc.
If this was a Sunderland player would geordie be saying the same 🤔
@@leestevenson1233aw crying Mackems again😢
Impartial Stocktonian - Let's go to a Rave lads 😊
He's literally said he’s angry at him, whereas you lot sang "he shags who he wants". Go boil your heed
Up the Geordies ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️👍
It's always something much worse than gambling with Sunderland...😂
As an NUFC fan there’s no option but to ban him because he was betting on his own side. He needs help, but does also need to be punished
TG upset with our transfer strategies 🤦♂️ Maddison didn't want to come to us, let it go!
Massive newcastle fan but in all honesty players at that level betting on games they're involved in is not acceptable by any means, I'm absolutely gutted about it but Brentford had to pay the price for toney and I expect the same for us I agree that if he is genuinely an addict he should receive treatment or therapy because we have paid a large sum for him and we deserve for him to honor the contract he signed, everyone makes mistakes but he's got to keep his nose clean after this or its big big trouble
As a Milan fan this whole situation is hilarious.
100% agree. It’s funny to see Newcastle fans trying to come after the ownership and front office for what Tonali did on his own.
“You should get a betting app where you’re restrictedwhen you become a premier league player” What? 😂
Bro exactly. How tf is that going to fix anything?
yeah that was one of the truly most idiotic things I have ever heard from anyone anywhere
Brian’s out here enabling addicts 😂
The easiest answer ever: “you have to do what you did to Ivan Toney” yes! common sense
Except Ivan Toney was charged by the English FA and Tonali is going to be sanctioned by the Italian FA. We also don’t know if Tonali has committed as many offences as Toney. I mean I’m no lawyer, but it’s almost as if they’re entirely separate cases.
Toney bet against us 13 times whilst contracted to us (NUFC)
If he's broke the law he's lucky if he's not in prison
No rich person goes to prison in Italy
@@jamesbothoms6009not true.
@@nathanmoore7120 duh? Obviously there are rare exceptions, but the general point still stands that the Italian justice system has a reputation for being susceptible to being swayed by way of brown envelopes of cash. More importantly why does the OP think someone betting by any means is worthy of a custodial sentence? By their own logic they should be locked up and the key thrown away for writing stupid things in internet comments sections
These rules are football rules not Civil Law rules
@@kathchandler4919 they are in Italy
Love how brian just pushed a side the illegal gambling site 😂
As a Newcastle fan Milan have had absolutely played us with this transfer they have played a blinder
Yeh they have done. All clubs could be suspicious of them now though, at least we will be anyway.
Should have bought mctomer
Why? You think they knew about this?
There’s no way they knew about this, he was also gambling on his former club Brescia
I just can't see it, milan are a reputable prestigious club
Milan didn't want to sell Tonali, but they needed money to rebuild the squad, and out of the star players they thought he was the one they could sacrifice, hes gone and milan are still about where they were. Milan ideally wouldn't have wanted to sell and tonali wouldn't have wanted to join, but compromises had to be made, there was conspiracy, just unfortunate of newcastle
Exactly, Newcastle wanted Tonali and our club used the money from the sale in order to reinvest in the squad in order to compete in 3 competitions.
Double standards here.. If he is an addict he should probably retire or get help on his lengthy ban.
Why??? You're just jealous he's rich and have a promising future
Yup
Retire? Eh? 😂
ah the classic "you're jelly argument" lol@@yeahyeah9869
@@yeahyeah9869 quite normal to be jealous of that tbf lol
They are deleting comments
Something that Merson said that really opens your eyes is what if a lower league player who ain’t earning the 100k wages these players are on wants to come out and ask for help, they would lose there job and ruin their life and who knows that what that player would do, there needs to be a way to help these players instead of just banning them, there’s probably addicts in the league right now using football as an escape from that
So your opinion then don’t punish them for gambling all their money away breaking numerous rules then stop defend this stuff and call this out ya muppet you gamble you break the rules suffer the consequences then don’t complain about being caught out and take accountability for it no excuses cards it’s a choice
@@jacknelson927 he betted in illegal casinos and betted on his own team to win…he’s hardly murdered someone, Toneys was much worse yet tonali’s facing a longer punishment…I’d rather the fa actually help players with addiction instead of tossing them to one side, if Suarez only gets banned for 8 games for racism then this should be less🤷🏼♂️
Help him yes but hope he gets punished too no excuses punish him break the rules suffer the consequences he should be punished too not let off with it
@@jordanb966yeah but this is much worse!
@@nathanmoore7120 no it’s not, the punishment id rather see players get is give them a ban but send them to rehabilitation and once the rehab people say they’ve overcame the addiction and in a better space then make the ban shorter, give the players something to better themselves for, if they break gambling rules again then give them a guaranteed 3 year ban🤷🏼♂️
Every sport should make a rule that you can’t bet on your own sport. So footballers, regardless of which league they play in, can’t under any circumstances bet on football games. It doesn’t matter whether they’re club games or international games.
It's amazing how celebrities can just hide behind (valid) things like addiction & mental health to completely avoid accountability for their actions, and people just lap it up & let it happen every time
Its annoying that we’re probably gonna lose him for the rest of this season & possibly into next,but the rules are clear & if you break them,you get punished. A year would be harsh,but it’ll probably be a similar length to fagioli’s ban.
I don't think these guys know anything about Tonali at Milan bc he wasn't "Mr Milan" lmao
That Chelsea geezer is spot on. There’s addiction and degenerate. Both need help but both should be held accountable. Nobody wakes up as a gambling addict either, it starts somewhere and that start is very much a conscious decision.
If anyone bets on their own team to lose, whether they are playing or not, they should be banned for a long time. The reason they are making that bet is because they have seen the way their teammates are training or are aware of an injury. If they were betting on the stock market using that kind of inside information, they'd end up in prison.
He was betting on his team to win, so what's your point?
In my opinion if a footballer is betting on games that they're affecting and throwing them, then yes the punishment should be very harsh. But if a they're just betting in general on other unrelated matches or on themselves to win, yes they need professional help but I think the punishment should be far less severe
It's still cloudy as some athletes across sports talk. It's insider dealing a bit. If I know an injury before a line moves one way or another, I have an advantage over Joe schmoe.
Id prefer a full stop no betting, and a separation from betting website money.
As an opposition player you could get tonali to make certain bets against the team he is playing against.
Works that way too.
Hes done wrong. He knows it
We all know it
Wtf is there to be angry about this is the clearest breach of rules ive ever seen
When you take a big punt and you’re banned for 10 months, that’s tonali
I get what Brian is saying though, these offences occurred when he was a Milan player, yet it’s Newcastle who are going to end up being punished as a consequence.
Tonali was not homegrown they bought him from Brescia
But he is a Milan fan since a kid
Part of any addicts deciding to go into recovery is that they did something and that resulted in them being accountable. Assuming he's an addict, if he gets a less harsh punishment what's the incentive to change?
The FA needs to introduce a way for players to admit to having a gambling addiction where they can receive help, would then be no excuses if they are caught
City did their homework and Paqueta was put on hold until this case against him gets clarified. Newcastle have the exact same capability, why didn't they?
I think Newcastle should be punished for not doing the correct background checks.
Newcastle should lose points for their despicable behaviour.
@@nathanmoore7120 lmao, nothing like that :'))
Agreed people need help who need it. However, there has to be repercussions as betting on games that he can affected directly by the player betting on it. That’s corruption.
What a shocker... a Newcastle player getting defended on this show. Was it a United player Gordie would want them thrown in a vat of acid.
He might have used some naughty words, but 'thrown in a vat of acid' might be a bit much. 🤔😂
If Trippier gets injured that’s a massive blow…look at his insane stats and influence on the team. Newcastle had to sign Livramento, who is brilliant…MOTM against City in the cup and he is ready to perform to high levels when called upon.
The reason they claim addiction is because in general labour laws internationally, addiction is seen as an incapacity issue and thus a no fault issue. For example alot of employees who are caught under the influence of alcohol and charged for misconduct claim alcoholism because than there's an argument that the employer should help them with their addiction before just dismissing. Think the footballers try the same argument. "I'm an addiction so how can you ban me."
Im just saying for this tonali case,the only W one is ac milan.they get 50m and they are cruising in serie A very well...
He wouldn’t have this mental illness If he never started gambling in the first place
You just cant maintain an addiction that contradicts your profession in any walks of life. Even if you drive a vehicle for work on basic wages, you couldn't be forgiven for having an alcohol addiction. His gambling addiction and profession are directly linked therefore its totally unacceptable and he should know it.
Do you guys forget that City didn't buy Paquetà because they did their due diligence?
The fact is that these players know that as professional footballers they aren't allowed to bet on Football. You only become an addict by doing something.
The rule is that he can't bet on footy so if he has he should get a ban, end of. The driving comparison is spot on, you can't drink and drive. You can't just say im an alcoholic and get away with it.
now it all makes sense
Thought the lad in the blue shirt was Edin Dzeko for a second
One thing that never got mentioned on this video is that footballers are free to gamble on other sports. So why gamble on football? To gamble on football, players either use illegal betting site or go-betweens to place bets for them. This sounds like there is more than just an addiction problem. There appears to be a thrill seeking aspect about wrongdoing too!
No football player should be betting on football and it doesnt matter if its for his team to win or not. A player could easily convince his friend to throw a game to win big on a bet, without him being "tracked" for placing the bet himself. It should be a clear ban to the most degree every time and cases should not be individualized.
They really brought that gimp back who said Liverpool fans should blame Klopp for the spurs loss? Brian, stop hiring your mates and hire actual competant personalities
Apparently two Serbs showed up at Juve’s training center asking for Nicolò Fagioli, these illegal apps were from Eastern Europe and not licensed anywhere in Europe… also these loan sharks told Fagioli that they’ll break his legs if he didn’t pay up 😳😱 he cried after he got subbed off the Sassuolo game last szn cause off all the debts he had accumulated
something i want to point out, the Chelsea fan who's all like 'well how can you tell' blah blah, there are a multitude of different tests that can be performed to determine whether someone has an addiction or not, and they are pretty robust, this is not something where someone can just be 'yeah i did it because I'm addicted to gambling' when in reality they aren't, it's very difficult to actually fake the behaviours and the patterns exhibited by addicts as a NON-addict, and anybody who claims otherwise clearly doesn't know what they are talking about.
not to go in too hard on the lad, but the sheer amount of ignorance on show here for some of this is astounding, and while i don't expect everybody to know everything a subject before making any sort of video discussing the topic, you should at least have done a LITTLE external reading and educate yourself on the basics first before talking out your arse, surely?
When you are facing a 4 year prison sentence, taking a plea deal which means you avoid prison time but get a ban from football is NOT a harsh sentence.
If AC Milan knew, then I dont blame them for selling him. It was on Newcastle to do their due diligence.
There should be a strike system with a grace period. If Tonali is genuinely addicted to gambling, punishing him is not the way to go. Give him a warning and a 5 match ban. If he can prove that he has started to work on bettering himself with professional help within this time the ban should be lifted. Then there would be review points to make sure that he stays off gambling. Addiction is genuinely a mental illness and doesn't get better with punishment. Look at any other form of addiction and how punishment doesn't work to overcome it.
It’s the betting companies snitching. Stop betting altogether
Just to put it out there, Tonali was supposedly only betting on Milan to win their games
how’s that illegal
People who work for the FA in a office job can’t put a £5 acca on and your trying to act like Tonali has been hard done by for betting on his own team 🤣 they all know the rules
If a smackhead robs you, you'd want them punished regardless of addiction issues
The representing club at the time of the offence should particularly be liable.. I think it's nothing to do with nufc, and Milan would and will likely know of it
Lol if TG looked at the punishment athletes of other sports received for gambling, especially on their team, he would gladly accept the 1 year ban
Those Chinese snooker players that just copped bans, and Stephen Lee who was basically banned for life about ten years ago.
HAHAHAHHAHA UNLUCKYYYYYYY YOUVE BEEN ROBBED
Hell ccome back even better after his ban only 23 and people are still wanting to buy Toney after his
Why don’t they have a 3-6 month rehabilitation course instead of a ban. You could do 3 month ban running alongside a 6 month mandatory rehabilitation course. If not attended then it’s a years ban.
Brian, you know what they say about snickers... you ain't you if you are hungry 😂
The ban has to happen, but comparing it to Toney is pointless when this is the Italian FA. Better to look at the situation that is already developing over there.
Honeslty people saying tonali was our best Player before we aolw him to Newcastle is borderline delusional
Lads can you do the kickoff tonight as Newcastle United doing the champions league
I think any footballer who is knowingly taking such risks gambling on football is likely to be an addict. Risking such a lucrative career otherwise doesn't make much sense.
Merson is wrong though, if he is an addict he has to take responsibility for his actions. It explains his gambling, but doesn't excuse it.
Just for context, i was a terrible compulsive gambler, but you can't just excuse that kind of behavior.
Tonali wasn’t betting against AC Milan 2 loose he bet them 2 win and he did admit 2 it the difference with Toney was when he got caught he lied and then appealed the ban
Brian saying there’s no difference between betting on an illegal website and a legal gambling site. Cmon bruh 😂
are u serious discussing this???????
the man is able to FIX games on the pitch with his actions..... jeeeeez
Regardless of if its Toney or Tonali or anyone else, the rules have been broken, a ban should be handed out and that be that. But everyone wants differing levels of raking across the coals to appease their interests, where in a perfect world , justice should be served with his their punishments not with public condemnation as well, especially considering addiction and mental health.
The fact he did this at another club is irrelevant. You can't reward players by allowing them to transfer clubs to avoid a punishment.
From Newcastle's point of view the best you can hope for is some compensation from previous club for the fact he won't be able to play. Don't clubs have insurance to cover instances when clubs lose a player for length of time.
It's a rule, the same as doping. If a player says they're addicted to drugs, do you just let it go?
That guy saying they can have a bet and should have an app, with the money they can put on and possibly win, do they not think agents can influence other footballers in other matches to get yellows and things like that? Mates playing for other clubs and things. Wake up
Yes, he should be and also be helped. But newcastle should also sue if his gambling was known about before the sale to Newcastle
Where was this video for Toney ?
Can't focus on what they are saying because I'm always looking and wondering what true Geordie has done to his head 😂
You can’t legally bet until ur 18, at age 18 he must’ve known he was gonna be a pro cus he would’ve been in a top academy (i’m assuming he was at ac milan then). I get he could bet on horse racing and stuff like that but if he’d never bet on football i don’t see how he’d be addicted to that specifically, one day he’d have to choose to start and that’s why he’s been banned
"klopps complaining about a wrongfully disallowed goal and the overal problem with epl refs? he should get over it"
I personally dont feel tonalli deserves this. But Brian does.
Yes, he should be banned, because a precedent has been set and there are rules in place. He should also get help provided by either his club or the league, but if you can't do the time....
Can’t believe what I’m hearing! A psychologist stated Ivan Toney is a gambling addict. Why should Tonali get any less?
I’m an alcoholic. I’ve been sober awhile. Your addiction isn’t your fault but it is your responsibility to find the help.
Paqueta did the yellow card betting where he got his friends to bet on him getting a yellow and he deliberately got a yellow
Brian come on man tonali needs same ban as toney didnt toney have like 200 something bets if that aint addict what is
What a tangled web we weave when at first we try to deceive
Tonali has just won another bet. He said I bet TG does a supporting podcast on me.
Massive loses to bookmakers by sportsmen leave them wide open to being offered a way to repay those loses by directly influencing matches they play in. Zaniolo was allegedly in debt to the sum of €3m
One year ban it’s not enough stop. Betting on illegal sites proves he knew what he was doing. He broke the law and he broke the contract rules. He should be punished for a few years. Has example for young players..
question is , did he have money on how long the ban would be ???
The crucial dilemma is was he betting on himself or against himself if he is betting on himself no harm no foul at all, if he is betting against himself then ban him immediately
Wdym ‘no harm no foul’? You aren’t allowed to bet regardless, it’s against the rules.
This dilemma you’ve created is in your head not reality at all.
true g is all of us when our fav is in trounle