Dragon's Dogma 2 is a Mess: GPU & CPU Benchmarks, Bottlenecks, & Crashes

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  • čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
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    Dragon's Dogma 2 came out to critical reception, with overwhelmingly negative Steam reviews relating to performance, crashes, microtransactions and DLC, and optimization. We're testing the CPU and GPU performance behavior and scaling in Dragon's Dogma 2, looking at how bottlenecks occur and which devices they impact the most. Testing includes CPUs like the 14900K vs. 7800X3D, 14600K, 2600X, 5600X, 12600K, 5800X3D, and more. We also tested on the RTX 4090 with a few spots of the 4070 Ti Super and RTX 4060 (before committing to a CPU comparison instead of GPUs). Testing looks at some of the best CPUs in 2024 for Dragon's Dogma 2 performance in heavy CPU load areas.
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    02:42 - Testing Dragon's Dogma 2 on PC
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    05:55 - GPU Performance Bottlenecks
    07:23 - CPU Benchmarks & Comparison in Dragon's Dogma 2
    08:54 - 12100F Frametime Plot (5000ms Spike!)
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    10:15 - GPU vs. CPU Bottlenecks in Dragon's Dogma 2
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  • @GamersNexus
    @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +1156

    DRM and DLC and Microtransactions make for the perfect ingredients! Can't wait to get more accounts temporarily banned if we ever benchmark this again!
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    • @tylersmash7134
      @tylersmash7134 Před měsícem +28

      The mtx aren't new for Capcom, but I have to use GeForce Now to play it, honestly if I'd known PC performance was gonna be this bad I wouldn't have bought it

    • @user-Aaron-
      @user-Aaron- Před měsícem +19

      ​@@tylersmash7134Can't you return it?

    • @TechGuyBeau
      @TechGuyBeau Před měsícem +15

      I was going to buy this to test on my channel.... (pretty bad way to burn my cash i know).
      I feel like getting your account banned from this is actually a huge win... now you can ignore the POS

    • @SeriusSim
      @SeriusSim Před měsícem +41

      At this point it'd just make sense to use a pirated version, except those tend to run much better than legit versions thanks to the removal or DRMs 🤷‍♂️

    • @tylersmash7134
      @tylersmash7134 Před měsícem

      @@user-Aaron- I'm waiting for it to get better but I'm using GeForce Now to play it

  • @Littahe
    @Littahe Před měsícem +5742

    "Huh, our game barely runs and its extremely cpu bound? We better add denuvo so the game decrypts through the cpu and and makes the bottleneck even worse."

    • @meth3rlence
      @meth3rlence Před měsícem +778

      What're you talking about? OBVIOUSLY Denuvo has no effect on performance as they've stated 1000 times (after every game that comes out with it has shit performance) -- Why would they possibly lie about that? ;)

    • @Battleneter
      @Battleneter Před měsícem +694

      This is one of the best looking games of 2006

    • @raykay47420
      @raykay47420 Před měsícem +209

      @@BattleneterI think it's my favorite PS3 game of all time

    • @primecelron6764
      @primecelron6764 Před měsícem +1

      ⁠@@adamuser8246lmao are you an idiot why can’t both be true ? The game is poorly optimized and adding Denuvo makes it worse

    • @interlace84
      @interlace84 Před měsícem +156

      @@adamuser8246 ps5's don't exactly carry 4090Ti's, 18-core cpu's or 32GB+ DDR5 etc.. 🙄 clearly all denuvo-infused game engines get crippled with micro-to-megastutters introduced all over the place.
      Nothing else ever ruined more UE4-based titles and beyond at release including AAA and AAAA ones, period.

  • @eldibs
    @eldibs Před měsícem +2284

    Adding Denuvo is a great way to punish the people who actually paid for your game to the point that people who pirate it have a better experience.

    • @ArdentMoogle
      @ArdentMoogle Před měsícem +173

      If only there were more people that could crack Denuvo. Sadly very few games with it actually get cracked, and whenever it happens most devs will remove Denuvo from the game and everyone gets a better experience.

    • @Kilioh15
      @Kilioh15 Před měsícem +29

      Let's not pretend the performance issues are denuvo.

    • @XrayTheMyth23
      @XrayTheMyth23 Před měsícem +249

      @@Kilioh15Some definitely are, every denuvo game has this exact issue. Although I do think they are probably other fixes needed in this case as well.

    • @oggilein1
      @oggilein1 Před měsícem +135

      @Kilioh15 good thing we dont have to pretend then, lmao

    • @Asterra2
      @Asterra2 Před měsícem +145

      @@Kilioh15 When performance issues include CPU bottlenecking, Denuvo absolutely makes this worse. CPU utilization is one of the three things Denuvo impacts. That's why every other post here has "Denuvo" somewhere in it. Also take careful note of the thread about people defending Denuvo, and the incredulity over there being such people on Earth.

  • @ChompDude
    @ChompDude Před měsícem +134

    Isn't it ironic that anti-piracy leads people to want to pirate more? The more and more I sit on this game waiting to see what develops with the patches the more I want to wait for a sale.

    • @lowfade3273
      @lowfade3273 Před měsícem +6

      so ur still buying.. what lol

    • @boitaho
      @boitaho Před měsícem

      @@lowfade3273 Crapcom getting $70 from me now for an unoptimized greedfest game VS Crapcom getting $15-30 from me months/years down the line for a complete and patched to hell and back version of a game is still a difference.

  • @SirSomnolent
    @SirSomnolent Před měsícem +50

    This is going to be an awesome game to play on my ryzen 11950x3d in a few years

    • @ASAFYY
      @ASAFYY Před měsícem +5

      dont forget 7090ti.

  • @TiagoToro
    @TiagoToro Před měsícem +3090

    I can't believe that the performance is so bad, and they put Denuvo on top of that, disgusting.

    • @jrsomethingnumbers9704
      @jrsomethingnumbers9704 Před měsícem +224

      "Barnacles! What could be worse than one giant DRM?"
      "Oh I know."
      *Capcom's in house DRM*
      "Two giant DRMs!"

    • @chaoswatcher2215
      @chaoswatcher2215 Před měsícem +117

      and a ton of micro-transactions for a single player game. pathetic

    • @fredt1983
      @fredt1983 Před měsícem +82

      Did everyone (users and capcom) forget the Resident Evil Village/Monster Hunter fiascos? Why do they keep using that DRM that destroys performance on higher requirement games..

    • @Somebody374-bv8cd
      @Somebody374-bv8cd Před měsícem

      @@fredt1983Pirates are the big boogeyman for big corporations that haunt them every second so all of them think DRM will save them a few pennies.

    • @dingickso4098
      @dingickso4098 Před měsícem +65

      Denuvo is essentially an anti piracy and kernel level anti cheat. Which bloats the .exe and usually causes performance issues...almost always in fact.

  • @keadinmode2070
    @keadinmode2070 Před měsícem +983

    Like the late TotalBiscuit said, "buying games on launch gets you the worst experience at the highest price". Seems thats the norm for gaming these days.

    • @paul1979uk2000
      @paul1979uk2000 Před měsícem +51

      Which is ironic because this is a very gaming thing, usually buying early or at a higher price point, gives you a premium product, but with gaming, it's the other way around that you get better by paying less, especially on the PC because not only is the game patched up after months or years, but the drivers will be in a better state to get more performance out of the game.
      It doesn't pay to buy games on release with how little respect publishers show games, wait a few months or a year and get the game much cheaper, patched up and drivers that are in a better state.
      On another note, I rarely play games on release any more, and because of that, I rarely have any issues with games, they just run and perform great, whiles paying less for them, a lot of gamers that have issues are the early adopters and they are paying a premium to be a beta tester.
      It's remarkable that gamers still put up with this on PC and console, and we know they do because game sales are still high on release, hence why publishers keep doing this, they'll only listen once sales really get hurt hard, until then, they don't care.

    • @Insanemonk11
      @Insanemonk11 Před měsícem +2

      for PC*
      It runs fine on my ps5, my roommates ps5, and several people I follow on twitter.

    • @SkateClipsAndTips
      @SkateClipsAndTips Před měsícem +4

      Last time I pre-ordered a game and played at launch was the og MW3 (2011). Now a days games are not worth buying at launch for full price. The last game I bought at full price was COD Cold War, then I gave up buying new games at full price

    • @TheBubbeloo
      @TheBubbeloo Před měsícem +59

      @@Insanemonk11 The performance isn't really amazing on PS5 either, it's just more stable in how badly it runs so it feels a lot less so.

    • @Insanemonk11
      @Insanemonk11 Před měsícem +1

      @@TheBubbeloo whatever PC people need to tell themselves, I don't judge

  • @MemeticsX
    @MemeticsX Před měsícem +61

    This kind of CPU wait / GPU wait analysis is EXACTLY what we've needed for... forever, honestly, to figure out why so many games have lag/stutter issues. Now if we can just get the game developers to use these analytic approaches to FIX THEIR CODE, we'll have more stable games and will all be a lot happier.

  • @jugermaut
    @jugermaut Před měsícem +76

    I'm astonished looking at the steam's discussion page. So many people defending this game, claiming no problem with performance, no problem with the DRM or DLCs. Heck, somebody's asking about why the game performance sucks, and got blasted by people saying "it just launched!". Half baked games are really the norm now.

    • @kanrakucheese
      @kanrakucheese Před měsícem +1

      If HBO was hiring shills to defend their output online and write fake reviews praising it (they've outright admitted to having done this), I have no doubt the entire industry is doing the same.

    • @GalactoseGalaxy
      @GalactoseGalaxy Před měsícem +4

      I have 40 hours+ in the game now, nearly max settings and using recording software. only really stutter in the city. I honestly think people just don't know how to set their graphics settings, or people expect to play an extremely beautiful game at entirely max settings and expect over 100fps. it's a very fun game with great story writing and combat, and it's probably the most beautiful game I've played. I dont see how it's getting shit on so much

    • @kanrakucheese
      @kanrakucheese Před měsícem +8

      @@GalactoseGalaxy Denuvo or Capcom?

    • @igeloi
      @igeloi Před měsícem +11

      ​@@GalactoseGalaxyIt's a great game, but it's clearly optimized terribly.

    • @ShiroNoFune
      @ShiroNoFune Před měsícem +2

      It's a good game, but the performance is just trash. The scummy tactics with the DLC and P2W are also obviously a thing to blame.
      If you ignore all of those, Dragon's Dogma 2 is a very good and fun game. Reminds me of Skyrim somewhat.

  • @yourmissingsock556boop3
    @yourmissingsock556boop3 Před měsícem +1777

    The people that defend Denuvo are going to blow a gasket.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +671

      Do those exist?!

    • @nanoflower1
      @nanoflower1 Před měsícem +445

      @@GamersNexusSadly yes. There are people that have bought into Denuvo's argument that their DRM doesn't impact performance.

    • @aquilliusranger2137
      @aquilliusranger2137 Před měsícem +308

      @@GamersNexusWaaaaay too many people also defends Capcom’s unnecessary MTX as well.

    • @Antares-dw9iv
      @Antares-dw9iv Před měsícem +20

      ​@@nanoflower1 I dunno as much as I dislike Denuvo I do think the performance impact is vastly overstated in most cases, in this game the performance of comparable Zen 2 CPUs on PC seems to be in line with the consoles' chips.

    • @BleedForTheWorld
      @BleedForTheWorld Před měsícem +18

      @@aquilliusranger2137 the mtx is unnecessary but also not needed since you can get all of those items and more by playing the game.

  • @Force-Multiplier
    @Force-Multiplier Před měsícem +518

    Whoever optimized DD2 at Capcom is obviously the boss' favorite nephew

    • @ButtSolution
      @ButtSolution Před měsícem +37

      It's obvious that they gave Itsuno pretty much unrestricted creative control over this project, and he went full 1999 George Lucas. There's absolutely no way Capcom themselves would have approved of there being no New Game option, or Dragonsplague (which can potentially kill every NPC in your game overnight in a game with ONE SAVE and no ability to start over), or UNSTABLE 30FPS ON CONSOLES because of overcomplicated spaghetti-coded AI routines for every single NPC. Itsuno's Vision (tm) was part of what made the original game exactly the right kind of weird, but he went so overboard in the sequel that he demanded things that no hardware on the market could even run.

    • @Force-Multiplier
      @Force-Multiplier Před měsícem +15

      @@ButtSolution idk if i can even blame it on Itsuno DMC5 came out so well optimized that i was joking about production level nephews
      but realistically it's so effed up that any number of reasons is possible
      the Itsuno team could be ass at working with the RE Engine (especially with open worlds)
      or it could be that they had issues and Capcom just didn't cared or you could be entirely right too in the end all i know is that they effed it up with one of my favorite IPs and it's sad but i won't helicopter parent it Capcom shouldn't have released DD2 in that state
      and now im concerned for Monster Hunter Wilds

    • @UMADBRO64
      @UMADBRO64 Před měsícem

      @@ButtSolutionGod could you scream any harder that you went into Dragon's Dogma demanding Elden Ring? You zoomers are worse than vegans.

    • @kalesims6540
      @kalesims6540 Před měsícem +7

      It's a modern day Problem. Why optimize when you can rely on dlss or fsr. Crapcom!

    • @markjacobs1086
      @markjacobs1086 Před měsícem +10

      The human eye can't perceive more than 24 stutters per second! 🫠

  • @ImaITman
    @ImaITman Před měsícem +68

    Steve - this game is what you needed to test the new metrics. You're living your best life that as soon as you guys came up with these metrics a game drops that is so perfect for demonstrating why they're needed!

  • @budakhon
    @budakhon Před měsícem +21

    Oh man I have been hoping/looking forward to you guys tackling this one!

  • @vivsavagex
    @vivsavagex Před měsícem +889

    i honestly cant thank you guys enough for this video. i thought i was taking crazy pills. you guys aren't even a game reviewing channel yet you are the first people out of ALL the channels i follow to give any sort of due diligence to the performance of a frickin PC GAME! every single of the top reviewers literally just said something along the lines of a whispered aside like "performance wasn't great in cities but i am playing on a 4090 so your milage may vary"...and that was it! meanwhile, it is unplayable on a 3080 and i7 12700kf...what happened to the days where pc games were reviewed on a high end, mid and low end rig? according to steam hardware survey, only 4-6% of players have a better gpu-cpu than me. given these figures, who is this game for?! how can these reviewers be so negligent in their reviews of a pc game? the reviews of this game honestly have completely disheartened me on even paying attention to reviews. it seems that merely scrolling down on the steam review page could inform customers better on their purchase...again, thank you for always being a bastion of integrity in the PC community

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +206

      Thanks for the kind words and for the tip! You're definitely not alone in performance. Looking through the user reviews, it seems like a ton of players are encountering game-breaking issues with either performance or crashes.

    • @thelbtlover
      @thelbtlover Před měsícem +82

      It's because these reviewers are rich and they have top end hardware, which is fine but if I was a reviewer I would have my personal rig which has all the top of the line hardware, and a couple normal rigs that would better represent what my viewers had. It's a no brainer. "Oh, it works great on my $5,000 rig!" Yeah, no sh*t. This is so out of touch it's like having a CZcams channel dedicated to reviewing airlines and then riding on your private jet and saying "the boarding times are non-existent!"

    • @vivsavagex
      @vivsavagex Před měsícem +17

      exactly. its just super lazy, negligent or shady. i made almost the same comparison in another comment its like reviewing an airline when you've only flown 1 time on first class.@@thelbtlover

    • @BleedForTheWorld
      @BleedForTheWorld Před měsícem +9

      "Who is this game for?" PS5 owners. Even the Series X has image quality issues as reported by Digital Foundry. Seriously, you're in the minority of a minority of players with that kind of expensive gpu and you should be able to play this at 4K 60 but alas, times are getting real rough for the industry.

    • @nothingisawesome
      @nothingisawesome Před měsícem

      @@thelbtloverthe game runs like shit on my top end build and mid range build so it should be obvious to everyone. On pc at least. Also skill up does what you said with two builds but looks like no review yet from him
      Btw the original poster should check out Digital Foundry

  • @whlewis9164
    @whlewis9164 Před měsícem +237

    They knew about this, and don’t call me Shirley.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +109

      I was trying to work a Don't call me Shirley into that sentence but couldn't make it happen!

    • @EpifanesEuergetes
      @EpifanesEuergetes Před měsícem +9

      @@GamersNexusSurely there was a way?

  • @bar.kokhba
    @bar.kokhba Před měsícem +20

    Nice to see PresentMon here after watching the interview! I was wondering how my CPU was struggling even though RTSS showed it at

  • @Starrky923
    @Starrky923 Před měsícem +3

    Thanks a lot for the 12:00 part, I never got to really understand why I would see gpu and cpu both sitting at 50% and fps nowhere to be found

  • @cloudycolacorp
    @cloudycolacorp Před měsícem +404

    The level of moore’s law compensation going on this generation is really impressive. They’re working hard to keep everything running like a 360 game despite all the power available to them

    • @anonymousanonymous3707
      @anonymousanonymous3707 Před měsícem +47

      That's a remarkable piece of software engineering 😂

    • @cin2110
      @cin2110 Před měsícem +82

      like holy s**t they aren't even doing the bare minimum anymore just brute force everything.

    • @cloudycolacorp
      @cloudycolacorp Před měsícem +91

      @@cin2110 it’s ok, they can always optimise by enabling FSR 2 ultra performance :) at 1080p

    • @murdendev
      @murdendev Před měsícem +14

      That just says a lot about current day engineers and devs

    • @illusioned0ne
      @illusioned0ne Před měsícem +22

      360 games ran better than current gen games on PS5 while also having more game packed into just about every game made on 360.

  • @Chris-qj5cs
    @Chris-qj5cs Před měsícem +113

    It's getting to the point where you have to wait 1-2 years to play new games until they fix all the issues. Also might as well wait for it to be discounted at that point.

    • @pcgamingftw5694
      @pcgamingftw5694 Před měsícem +18

      I think there is an extremely high chance this will turn out like Jedi Survivor and Hogwarts Legacy, meaning it'll never be fixed. All of them are very cpu-bound and have engine limitations. Their engines were pushed beyond what they were made for and the devs did not possess the knowledge to work around or avoid the limits. Just my guess, but I think they would have to rework massive parts of the engine and the game's code to get this into anything close to 60 even on 400-700 dollar CPUs and that would take 1-2 years. If a 14900k and 7800X3D drop into the 20s for the 0.1 % lows they would need close to 3 times the performance and I don't see where they would get that with the meagre optimisation that games receive post-launch...

    • @JogBird
      @JogBird Před měsícem +6

      maybe not 1-2 years, but def never pre-order and for these types of massive games, wait until a few months until they fix the launch bugs which are 100% garuanteed to be there.. for capcom games its a no go until denuvo is patched out

    • @Blade_of_Tomoe
      @Blade_of_Tomoe Před měsícem +9

      Or torrent it to avoid paying shit companies

    • @SuperBulletguy
      @SuperBulletguy Před měsícem

      ​@@Blade_of_TomoeDenuvo games are no longer being cracked because Empress is an asshole.

    • @Skumtomten1
      @Skumtomten1 Před měsícem +17

      It's getting to the point? Nah, it's been like this for 8 years now

  • @blackbirdpctech
    @blackbirdpctech Před měsícem +3

    Damn, you guys are good … such a great overview and analysis … thank you for continuing to deliver robust assessments.

  • @anothercritic
    @anothercritic Před měsícem +4

    Respect for going through this hell, it is a graphically interesting game so it surely was worth it
    Did you force resizable bar in NV profile inspector?

  • @ZykopathOfficial
    @ZykopathOfficial Před měsícem +785

    Game should have been delayed by 6 months to a year just for optimization alone.

    • @gantech7788
      @gantech7788 Před měsícem +110

      Executives probably demanded the money on this quarterly report ending this month. Shove it out the door!

    • @eternalinsignia
      @eternalinsignia Před měsícem +44

      ​​@@gantech7788It's not only executives, the lead of the game aka director also has hand in this case. In console they talk uncapped FPS aiming 30 fps. What a joke. (the optimization problem is also plague console btw, it just console play in 30 fps thus drop to 20 fps is not really that jarring).

    • @dingickso4098
      @dingickso4098 Před měsícem +8

      Nay just remove Trashuvo

    • @superbnns
      @superbnns Před měsícem +12

      ​@@gantech7788 wouldn't be surprised. Capcom's release cadence generally places their big games in Q1

    • @maegnificant
      @maegnificant Před měsícem +1

      I don't think they know how to do it

  • @kenanarmyansyah9520
    @kenanarmyansyah9520 Před měsícem +98

    I really, really, reaaallly like this kind of video - digital foundry game per game basis analysis style - from GN team! God I really wish GN have the bandwidth to bring back this kind of video from time to time and make it a series. Make the breakdown game analysis more detail, like adding input latency analysis, etc. The game choice could be a popular latest games, or even the niche one too, it doesn't matter.
    Good job on the video GN!!!

    • @Rivershield
      @Rivershield Před měsícem +3

      I agree. Specially after the fiasco of thr DF staff being woke, I just can't watch that guy anymore.

    • @aaronclay4665
      @aaronclay4665 Před měsícem +1

      @@Rivershieldthey wer always bought and payed for..........linus is a joke too, this is the only channel (thats big) that you can trust.... but its only a matter of time till they sell out too.........i hope im wrong but it is what it is.

  • @yourikhan4425
    @yourikhan4425 Před měsícem +2

    A user on the forum had perfomance issues. I suggested checking the connection. He disconnected his computer and it fixed the issue.

  • @ishJJx3
    @ishJJx3 Před měsícem +282

    Holy, this CPU Busy data is so valuable

    • @konradsikorski1646
      @konradsikorski1646 Před měsícem +4

      cant find it on my installation tho. can only find GPU Busy. im not sure whether thats because i have a somewhat older system (that doesnt make this data available) or GN got some kind of alpha version of this app

    • @jvsimic
      @jvsimic Před měsícem

      @@konradsikorski1646 Look at the most recent interview with the Intel guy, GN is running a closed beta version of Presentmon for now until Intel gets some feedback from them (news media) about it, will release openly then.

    • @marcuszettergren8885
      @marcuszettergren8885 Před měsícem +5

      @@konradsikorski1646 This actually piss me off a bit. They (and Intel) have talked about this feature for while, and presented it in a way like everyone should use it, which i can agree on, but it isn't available to other than the reviewers. This is off course to create a hype.

    • @Houdini111
      @Houdini111 Před měsícem +2

      @@konradsikorski1646 I also don't have CPU Busy. I have an R9 7900 and RTX 3080, so I highly doubt my hardware is too old for it. It just seems to be in a private beta or something.

    • @eljoel89
      @eljoel89 Před měsícem

      Was that griffin The Wicked Witch of the DRM? Is that why it melted when it touched water?

  • @Skradgee
    @Skradgee Před měsícem +667

    Imagine telling people you work at Gamers Nexus, and someone asks: “Wow! Do you get to play video games at work all day?”
    “Uhh, sometimes.”

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +275

      hahaha. We were talking about this while working on this one

  • @RandomGaming85
    @RandomGaming85 Před měsícem +5

    Anyone else remember a time when shipping a game meant that it was fully functional?

  • @umakako
    @umakako Před měsícem +1

    This channel is incredible!
    Thank you for everything you do for us! ✌️

  • @OmniUni
    @OmniUni Před měsícem +27

    It seems that this is at least partially related to resizable BAR. On Linux/Proton, there's an environment variable, VKD3D_CONFIG=no_upload_hvv that gives a nearly 50% performance boost by disabling a very specific ReBAR feature.

    • @damianabregba7476
      @damianabregba7476 Před měsícem +7

      Interesting...

    • @KARLOSPCgame
      @KARLOSPCgame Před měsícem

      Interesante....
      And this game is murdering the intel cards because of that

  • @blaux
    @blaux Před měsícem +389

    The developer's release apology is basically just
    "We're sorry, our game isn't finished yet."
    Like.. damn.

    • @Real_MisterSir
      @Real_MisterSir Před měsícem +63

      also "please buy the DLC we made absolutely sure would be ready from day 1 even if the core game isn't"

    • @electricindigoball1244
      @electricindigoball1244 Před měsícem +22

      That's most AAA game launches in recent years. Publishers want to release games before the end of a specific financial quarter/year so they can show profits to investors and since you can "just patch" the game after release they think they can afford to release games in an unfinished state.

    • @user-ej4jq5bw4c
      @user-ej4jq5bw4c Před měsícem +1

      Tbf, thats basically every game release now.

    • @masteroak9724
      @masteroak9724 Před měsícem +10

      I heard that more like: "Our game is heavy because we did this thing with NPCs... it doesn't run well? Well, tough luck, one day there'll be good enough CPUs for this".

    • @sophieedel6324
      @sophieedel6324 Před měsícem

      It's Capcom, an arrogant and shady company that finally is getting called out on their practices. They have been doing this trick where they spring microtransactions on people after launch, for decades.

  • @Ender240sxS13
    @Ender240sxS13 Před měsícem +4

    Something potentially worth investigating is performance on older CPUs. I'm running an i7 8700k @4.7GHz, a GTX 1080, and the game is installed on a fairly high end M.2 SSD. At 1080p I get 50-60 fps outside and 30-40 fps in the city. However I don't get any of the serious micro stuttering you describe, not once has it hitched like you showed in the video.

    • @csollermoller
      @csollermoller Před měsícem

      Although I dont know your settings, your gpu is very likely slow enough to give some headroom to the cpu, so your cpu isnt having such a bad time like in this review. Just my 2c...

  • @darkcss1054
    @darkcss1054 Před měsícem

    Steve, could you do a video on Lossless Scaling? I've been getting awesome results from frame generation, would like some tips from pros like you on how to properly configure the software.

  • @HighwayUK
    @HighwayUK Před měsícem +52

    release was clearly pushed out 3 months early to hit the financial year end for shareholders.

    • @kanrakucheese
      @kanrakucheese Před měsícem +1

      Extra 3 months wouldn't have helped. Capcom deliberately made the game worse for corporate DIE and *MODERN AUDIENCES* . The character creator has options from the first game implemented but deliberately locked off.

    • @smellybearc7411
      @smellybearc7411 Před měsícem +1

      This! Fiscal Year End

    • @funkle2645
      @funkle2645 Před měsícem +5

      @@kanrakucheeseSomething in the game being "woke" or not "woke" won't affect your fps lmao

    • @kanrakucheese
      @kanrakucheese Před měsícem +1

      @@funkle2645 It 100% impacts development priorities.

    • @kanrakucheese
      @kanrakucheese Před měsícem

      @@funkle2645 It 100% impacts development priorities.

  • @Xhog0
    @Xhog0 Před měsícem +166

    Things start making more sense as to why they released the game in this state when you realize that Japan's end of fiscal year is March 31st. This is not the first time they have released games in a less than stellar state to please shareholders and it certainly won't be the last. If the next Monster Hunter is going to have a simultaneous release on PC, expect this to happen again.

    • @Mayhzon
      @Mayhzon Před měsícem +19

      The game isn't even too bad. Ye the performance can be better, but people act like Capcom went to their house, shot their pet dog, clogged the toilet and then left the oven on after leaving. Extremely ridiculous.

    • @NightKev
      @NightKev Před měsícem +86

      @@Mayhzon The video very clearly shows that performance is absolutely terrible, with the numbers to back it up. Just because you don't care how badly a game performs doesn't mean others shouldn't either.

    • @erykaldo2l270
      @erykaldo2l270 Před měsícem

      ​@@Mayhzon Just because your standards are absolute dogshit, doesnt mean everyone else should accept shit capcom throws at them

    • @alexgalays910
      @alexgalays910 Před měsícem +41

      @@NightKev Lol, this. Performances are bad is an objective statement that can be measured. "I personally don't mind insanely bad frame pacing" is just preference.

    • @kurtcrean
      @kurtcrean Před měsícem

      After setting it to high priority in task manager I'm running perfectly fine on a 7700K, the game itself is great. Just wish they'd remove Denuvo so it'd run better.

  • @daLiraX
    @daLiraX Před měsícem +71

    It would be extremely interesting to have a comparison between Denuvo and non Denuvo version, like with Hogwarts Legacy, which had 20% performance differences in CPU heavy areas.

    • @loudmoon-rk3ct
      @loudmoon-rk3ct Před měsícem +11

      Holy shit, it was that high??

    • @FaySmash
      @FaySmash Před měsícem +5

      DG2 also uses Enigma on top of that

    • @ViktorVelkov
      @ViktorVelkov Před měsícem +1

      Do you have any proof of those 20% performance impact for hogwarts legacy? Because when I tested it myself at the time in Hogsmeade (where I was CPU bound all the time even with a 13900k) I couldn't measure any difference. It performed exactly the same for me (pirated version vs. steam version). I honestly don't believe Denuvo is a big deal anymore, developers should just optimize their fucking games.

    • @daLiraX
      @daLiraX Před měsícem +2

      @@ViktorVelkov sounds like you used day 1 crack vs patched steam version.
      Of course there have been optimasations, still, denuvo causes problems and people always end up excusing them...
      /watch?v=5y_bab5wtHY

    • @ViktorVelkov
      @ViktorVelkov Před měsícem

      @@daLiraX thanks that does look interesting. no actually I tested it in my first week before the first patches came out. but yea day 1 crack basically. And I will never excuse DRM protection because I absolutey think that piracy is a lack of service issue and punishing those who pay for the game is a bad solution. But I think developers should do a better job at optimization and that DRMs probably don't affect performance noticeably.

  • @emilyshabang
    @emilyshabang Před měsícem

    @gamersnexus I wish you had reviewed the TT tower 300. I really like the look of it ever since The Tower 900, but I know there's been limitations with cooling in the numerous previous revisions. So the Tower 300 looked very promising and intriguing with the option of laying it on the side.

  • @xymaryai8283
    @xymaryai8283 Před měsícem +169

    its so sad Steve Nexus died of Dragma after this review

  • @KillahMate
    @KillahMate Před měsícem +73

    To anyone asking why a studio would ever release a game in this state: Capcom made them push the game out in March so that they could have the release before the end of the fiscal year and get the share price boost from it - conversely if they'd delayed it even one month it would have been after the end of the fiscal year and their shares would have suffered because of a delayed release.

    • @kwizzeh
      @kwizzeh Před měsícem +8

      It's on par with Capcom's previous triple-A releases outside of Resident Evil games which sometimes launch in Q2 or Q3 too.

    • @KillahMate
      @KillahMate Před měsícem +6

      @@kwizzeh Others have also pointed out that Street Fighter 6 was supposed to release in February 2023 and was only delayed on the insistence of the dev team - not sure what leverage those guys had in order to be able to make such a big delay happen, developers are rarely allowed such delays unless the game is in a dire state which SF6 didn't seem to be.

    • @Mr_Nobody913
      @Mr_Nobody913 Před měsícem +9

      Greed

    • @Ag76945
      @Ag76945 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@KillahMate SF6 World Tour ran like ass on PS4 and Series S

    • @kewinabea5439
      @kewinabea5439 Před měsícem

      Get a ps5 ​@@Ag76945

  • @irvintang2751
    @irvintang2751 Před měsícem +1

    I subbed years ago but this channel has slowly become my favorite, none other channel break things down as thoroughly or technically as this.

  • @MaxHaydenChiz
    @MaxHaydenChiz Před měsícem

    Thank you for doing all this work.

  • @hunn20004
    @hunn20004 Před měsícem +316

    You're the most affected party, start a legal fund to sue them and plant a precedent that no, you can't have a DRM that blocks you from using your license.
    It'd be like if used cars stopped working when the 4th second hand owner sits into the car

    • @shawnpitman876
      @shawnpitman876 Před měsícem +94

      Don't give them ideas. They'd love to lock your car like that.

    • @Littahe
      @Littahe Před měsícem +88

      This kind of DRM needs to go.
      Steam is already DRM, it's enough, people buy games if the game works.
      In cases where the game has stuff like denuvo, it doesn't work so people get a better deal by not buying it at all.
      Real crappy way to treat paying customers.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +192

      Car manufacturers: WRITE THAT DOWN!

    • @MarmaladeMaki
      @MarmaladeMaki Před měsícem +21

      Not even a new owner. You repaired and replaced too much.

    • @TheHighborn
      @TheHighborn Před měsícem +9

      It's denuvo. Just wait for the Emperess crack.

  • @icedstar
    @icedstar Před měsícem +18

    The best part of this video is the fact that Steve is talking about serious stuff and there's a bunch of graphics showing all sorts of technical data and then there's a guy in the background murdering NPC's and a Griffin suiciding into the water.

  • @Xzavn
    @Xzavn Před měsícem +1

    You mentioned wanting to talk about Simulation Time error somewhere earlier in the video, but you never got around to doing it. Was there anything worthwhile to mention with frames being out of sync?

  • @Artbane
    @Artbane Před měsícem

    This is amazing ❤ cpu bottleneck was never showed in a clearer way.
    If you can, please do similar video for helldivers 2? It seems to be aalso very cpu heavy and I can't decide if it's worth to update the cpu or it's just optimization issues.
    If you do do the video try to benchmark in difficulties 7-9 and planets with vegetation and fog it's a serious impact. I have ryzen 5 2600 @4.1GHZ and rx 5700 xt with 16gb RAM in dual channel and its 30 to 85 fps range depending on difficulty and map.
    I am definitely CPU bottlenecked in high difficulty scenarios but I am not so sure the game is well optimized either, especially for those difficulties and I don't know how much fps I will gain to switch to ryzen 5600 as I've seen people with higher end rigs say they have poor fps, so seems like gamble / waste of money.

    • @gliver2549
      @gliver2549 Před měsícem

      get it! its way more optimized, you can edit the video settings to get it fluid👍.

  • @jffrycldrn
    @jffrycldrn Před měsícem +245

    Game reviewers 0
    Gamers Nexus 1
    We need more of this and less of the idiots saying "your mileage may vary".

    • @thimy69
      @thimy69 Před měsícem +56

      Most of them are only influencers ready to grab any free game copy.

    • @BeatmasterAC
      @BeatmasterAC Před měsícem +3

      dude, WorthaBuy and OhnoitsAlexx ripped the Game appart.

    • @sophieedel6324
      @sophieedel6324 Před měsícem +16

      Capcom has all reviewers in their pocket. They gave the "professional" reviewers a trip and dinner to a fancy hotel for the preview. And the regular CZcams reviewers who got review copies were part of the "Capcom creator program", where they literally pay them off, through their "paid market opportunity" program.

    • @rcaguitars
      @rcaguitars Před měsícem +7

      Your mileage may vary tech tips still going? I unsubbed last year and took weeks of pressing not interested to get them out of my feed, they clearly had help from their YT rep trying to re-reach ex subscribers

    • @Braiam
      @Braiam Před měsícem +8

      @@sophieedel6324The heck is being said here? Every reviewer said "game seems cool.... when it runs". I've not seen any instance of a reviewer that didn't mention the performance issues.

  • @GreasyFox
    @GreasyFox Před měsícem +65

    There should be an annual game award for the most unoptimized game. Cities Skylines 2 in 2023 and still it is, and now Dragon's Dogma 2.

    • @commanderoof4578
      @commanderoof4578 Před měsícem +1

      Cities skyline 2 isnt unoptimised tho...
      Its the player that is as fault for not actually going in and doing the settings themselves
      I dont think people realise just how many thousands of NPC, cars and other stuff is going on all at the same time
      Quite literally to the point where there is no other game in existence that would even launch much less run

    • @megancao5988
      @megancao5988 Před měsícem

      Don’t forget kerbal space program 2

    • @wx2999
      @wx2999 Před měsícem

      It should be like the razzies. You can have different categories, worst optimization, worst game update, worst PR disaster, worst monetization, worst crunch, worst studio mismanagement.

    • @SimonVaIe
      @SimonVaIe Před měsícem +11

      ​@@commanderoof4578 cities skylines launched terribly. A lot of stuff basically had no lod, culling was an issue etc. That's unoptimized. Not a settings issue.

    • @commanderoof4578
      @commanderoof4578 Před měsícem

      @@SimonVaIe nope that was the review builds
      And even if that did actually happen to launch builds it would have been down to an idiot using the wrong build to upload or steam being steam and putting the wrong version as public
      And with dragons dogma 2 most of the issues are from lack of optimisation and the rest is DRM BS
      Better off buying the game and playing a pirated version where the DRM has been gouged out

  • @kankit230
    @kankit230 Před měsícem +613

    The DRM implementation is absolutely shit.

    • @dingickso4098
      @dingickso4098 Před měsícem +24

      Yeah the main concern with these DRMs is performance issues. These checks can indeed have a huge impact on performance. It's quite simple to understand: if the checks are triggered every time the player does a basic action (like moving the character), it's going to spam requests all the time and it's going to be disastrous. On the other hand, if we don't do any checks at all, it will be very easy for hackers to crack the DRM and the whole process will be worthless. Of course, there is a balance to be struck here: more checks mean a safer game, but a greater impact on performance.

    • @jc_dogen
      @jc_dogen Před měsícem +3

      ​@@dingickso4098if it was only being called once per player input then it wouldn't matter at all

    • @mckinleyostvig7135
      @mckinleyostvig7135 Před měsícem +32

      *All DRM implementation.

    • @simonb.8868
      @simonb.8868 Před měsícem +1

      @@dingickso4098we gonna need start thinking DRM is part of the game so we're gonna need 2 cores only for that LOL, it's not hard to understand. Whats the problem, you really think theyre gonna give games for free because you are handsome? The price is already very low since its stuck to 60 dollars since the 90s LOL

    • @NoirMorter
      @NoirMorter Před měsícem

      @@jc_dogenWhen the game is close to being bound to one of the processors then it can greatly effect performance. Such as the AI in the cities for this game it can dramatically effect it. Plus crackers (the hackers that steal stuff) tend to make tools that can get around stuff like DRM eventually.

  • @MrSmitheroons
    @MrSmitheroons Před měsícem

    I am eagerly awaiting PresentMon 2.0 for some testing I want to do. Does it reveal CPUStart like the diagram shows at 10:48? Have you found it useful for diagnosing animation errors? (I would think the interval between CPUStart for successive frames should be a consistent frametime and lack "jitter", ideally?)
    On another note, nice URL for this video. This video has the moves!

  • @Jrob992
    @Jrob992 Před měsícem

    I’ve been wondering why despite having an r5 7500 and a 4080 noctua (not the beefiest setup but still) I’ve been getting 24 frames in the city on high with ray tracing off. I thought maybe the 1080p monitor was causing an issue but I’m also not very computer savvy. Glad i found this video!

  • @Littahe
    @Littahe Před měsícem +295

    We're all paying full box price for what's essentially a rental.

    • @Flyon86
      @Flyon86 Před měsícem +21

      Maybe I'll just wait 5 years so I can buy it on GOG lol

    • @DrLynch2009
      @DrLynch2009 Před měsícem +13

      ​@@Flyon86don't forget to wait for a sale.

    • @sophieedel6324
      @sophieedel6324 Před měsícem +23

      Hopefully sales are actually bad. Because if people are willing to buy a poorly optimized $70 game with microtransactions and DRM, get ready for $100 games next. Capcom already said they think games should cost $100.

    • @varileztradragonsong4603
      @varileztradragonsong4603 Před měsícem

      @@sophieedel6324Capcoms most successful PC release.
      Yea, nah, games sadly enough are not bad.

    • @ChezMclegend
      @ChezMclegend Před měsícem +6

      Alot of us didn’t buy it at all, we just like watching people slowly learn
      Edit: I believe it’s called “growing pains”

  • @ZykopathOfficial
    @ZykopathOfficial Před měsícem +619

    There are pre-alpha games that run better than this!

    • @Frigobar_Ranamelonico
      @Frigobar_Ranamelonico Před měsícem +34

      And on top of this, there's some very ancient game design decisions to make the gameplay more frustrating, what a game.

    • @sloanphone2323
      @sloanphone2323 Před měsícem +3

      you're right im pretty sure something like ashes of creation which is in pre-alpha runs better LOL

    • @strixx6561
      @strixx6561 Před měsícem +3

      Hell I run this game with easy with a i7-9700k with a 2070 super

    • @TheKazragore
      @TheKazragore Před měsícem +3

      Like Baldur's Gate 3, which was released very incomplete but still seemed to run mostly just fine.

    • @Livekernalevent
      @Livekernalevent Před měsícem +1

      IGN gives it 9/10. It's only 6-7 for me.

  • @alanmoore78
    @alanmoore78 Před měsícem +9

    9:40 that's not a spike in frametime, that's a fence post in frametime. A telephone pole in frametime. A sewer pipe in frametime. A skyscraper in frametime.

  • @sebastian1581
    @sebastian1581 Před měsícem +1

    do you guys ever get contacted to provide consulting to developers prior to a release? it seems like there’s a ton of valuable information they could go off of from all your testing

  • @alexgoldbar
    @alexgoldbar Před měsícem +117

    Optimization for this game is simply atrocious. I run it on AMD Ryzen 5 5600X with an RTX3080 at 1440p and im getting 29fps...
    Cyberpunk on max settings runs over 60fps for crying out loud!

    • @logirex
      @logirex Před měsícem +13

      Easy fix go buy a 4090 and avoid the town 😂

    • @rifkyyudiansyah8423
      @rifkyyudiansyah8423 Před měsícem +8

      How long to take cyberpunk get optimized after release and bugs too?

    • @exol511
      @exol511 Před měsícem +13

      They absolutely knew in what state the game was. One would expect to run the thing dead stable at ultra settings considering the thing somehow manages to not look very graphically impressive (especially the characters) compared to a lot of older games.
      I say refund if you bought it.

    • @scamdem1c
      @scamdem1c Před měsícem +28

      when even a 7800x3d-rtx4090 combo still wont give you good performance...
      goes to show just how awful this game is.

    • @Y0G0FU
      @Y0G0FU Před měsícem +13

      Cyberpunk is 4 years older and it ran like shit on release. They had a long time to fix their mess :p

  • @Xiuhtec
    @Xiuhtec Před měsícem +51

    17:27 Love the character just jumping over and over under the stairs in the distance there.

    • @ssduo5574
      @ssduo5574 Před měsícem +9

      And to think that's the 'AI' that is destroying the CPU.

    • @markjacobs1086
      @markjacobs1086 Před měsícem +6

      ​@@ssduo5574I think it's pronounced AAAAAIIIIIII in this instance 🫣

    • @Deukish
      @Deukish Před měsícem +1

      That's been standard pawn behavior for 12 years

  • @Oscar-mh7ez
    @Oscar-mh7ez Před měsícem

    Could you do a performance test for helldivers 2 seems to be having a lot of performance issues as well.

  • @deep.space.
    @deep.space. Před měsícem +187

    I’ll wait for a sale…it might even be done by then

    • @Dr80SK
      @Dr80SK Před měsícem +34

      like almost everything these few years lol and people are still buying AAA games on release or better... preorder that unfinished crap, sadly it will never change, too many people are supporting this. honor with exception ofc

    • @ICCraider
      @ICCraider Před měsícem +6

      Yeah. Imagine being more CPU intensive than freaking totalwar or EU4 lol.

    • @shawnpitman876
      @shawnpitman876 Před měsícem +6

      "I'll wait for a sale" is still rewarding them for producing a broken game.
      We need to take a stand against devs who release games like this, or it'll just keep getting worse and worse.
      So put your foot down, say no I won't buy your game PERIOD if it launches and it's a steaming pile like this.

    • @K31TH3R
      @K31TH3R Před měsícem +11

      @@Dr80SK Horizon Forbidden West has been the only exception for me in a loooong time. The game both looks amazing and runs incredibly well, not a single stutter or even the slightest hitch, and it loads into the world in 8 seconds thanks to Direct Storage. It's so refreshing to finally play a modern game with beautiful visuals that doesn't have traversal or shader stutter. So there are still at least a few developers out there who actually care.

    • @ICCraider
      @ICCraider Před měsícem +6

      @@shawnpitman876 Just had a friend from India complain about how this game literally costs 20% of his monthly salary and he'd literally starve if he buys this game while Baldur's Gate 3 costs almost half lol.
      EDIT: Basically the majority of humanity cannot even afford this game because it's from a greedy Japanese publisher that doesn't know why regional pricing exists lol.

  • @lagrangemechanics
    @lagrangemechanics Před měsícem +30

    Well, at least you can see the NPCs before you run into them on PC. Digital Foundry's video showed on consoles the NPCs literally pop onto the screen right in front of you because of the comically short draw distance.

    • @DarthRevan260
      @DarthRevan260 Před měsícem +3

      That's not exclusive for consoles, I play on PC And have the same problem in the city

  • @ll1l11ll
    @ll1l11ll Před měsícem +9

    That long pause at 9:30 - Even the NPC was like "Oh dear..."

  • @Insan1tyW0lf
    @Insan1tyW0lf Před měsícem

    Playing on console, the game would occasionally turn into a slideshow when fighting phantom/phantasm type enemies (Misty Marsh was baaaad at times). Reminds me of the NPC pathing issues with Blighttown and New Londo in OG Dark Souls.

  • @quaz1moto241
    @quaz1moto241 Před měsícem +27

    I have a 7800X3D with DDR5-6000 CL30 memory, I would weep with joy to get that 83fps average. I get 63 average tops in the city. My 4070S sits at like 40% usage so there's not much I can do lol

    • @khululyp
      @khululyp Před měsícem

      Oh noo playable framerate.... my ol 3600 gets 29, spiderman remaster ran smoother in times square.

  • @Aisaaax
    @Aisaaax Před měsícem +49

    It seems like we have another case similar to "We can't increase your stash space because we have to load every player's stash at all times and that's too much overhead"

    • @user-ej4jq5bw4c
      @user-ej4jq5bw4c Před měsícem +19

      At least theres an actually good game behind these performance issues. Can't say as much for Diablo IV.

    • @honeybadger6275
      @honeybadger6275 Před měsícem +7

      @@user-ej4jq5bw4c i thought he was talking about fallout 76 lmao

    • @77Friction
      @77Friction Před měsícem +4

      @@user-ej4jq5bw4cDD2 is a good game.. its a shame that everyone is only focusing on subpar performance and a stupid executive corporation decision to add micro transactions. The developers worked hard on this game and it shows. The investors and CEO’s of the world are what ruin games nowadays.

    • @kanrakucheese
      @kanrakucheese Před měsícem +7

      @@user-ej4jq5bw4c No, they deliberately made the character creator worse. Straight up has features fully implemented but cut off if you don't use a memory poke.

    • @samhouston1288
      @samhouston1288 Před měsícem +1

      @@77Friction It's kind of hard to enjoy a good game when it runs like crap.

  • @rasky2684
    @rasky2684 Před 23 dny +1

    Im using a 3600 with a 7800xt and i also noticed it doesn't matter what graphics setting you use the fps dont really change. Between 30-90 fps for me depending in area

  • @raikoh05
    @raikoh05 Před měsícem

    when are you releasing the video on case benchmark hardware?

  • @waifuhunter9709
    @waifuhunter9709 Před měsícem +104

    Thank you denuvo.
    Back to you denuvo

  • @reverieanimates887
    @reverieanimates887 Před měsícem +107

    Isn’t this the same engine they used for Resident Evil Remakes?

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +91

      Our understanding is that it is, yes.

    • @alxor
      @alxor Před měsícem +21

      Even same as Devil May Cry 5!

    • @jensvev0
      @jensvev0 Před měsícem +27

      RE Engine is good as we know from the RE games which run better than any other games. This game’s code though is terribly optimised, which is why the CPU is the bottlenecked.

    • @damianabregba7476
      @damianabregba7476 Před měsícem +52

      RE games are much more linear with not much agents running around. Looks like engine was not fully suited cpu wise

    • @Juzimaster
      @Juzimaster Před měsícem +8

      Monster Hunter: Rise also uses same engine.

  • @JamesWid
    @JamesWid Před měsícem

    Just got done playing for about 2 hours on a Ryzen 7600x and RX 6800 and I have gotten quite good performance even in the first main city. Not sure if a recent update changed things but the performance for me has been what i expected given my hardware

  • @Liquidsunn87
    @Liquidsunn87 Před měsícem +41

    Didn't think a game can run worst then the Jedi survivor port.

    • @Whiteshade
      @Whiteshade Před měsícem +14

      Try Wild Hearts on PC. Most unoptimized game I've ever played.

    • @cin2110
      @cin2110 Před měsícem +1

      there are already like 3 games that runs worse than that lol

    • @Mayhzon
      @Mayhzon Před měsícem

      It's actually running pretty great for a modern release. Only issue is with cities because of NPC density.

    • @Liquidsunn87
      @Liquidsunn87 Před měsícem

      @Whiteshade I forgot about that one, lol. EA walked away from that game so fast as well

    • @Liquidsunn87
      @Liquidsunn87 Před měsícem

      @cin2110 just 3? I can name more than 3 in the past 4 years.

  • @ryder7731
    @ryder7731 Před měsícem

    3:07 I knew i wasn't going crazy when i thought it was stuttering or something didn't feel smooth when it had decent FPS.

  • @shadesn
    @shadesn Před měsícem +2

    Why is nobody testing shadow quality to max + rt?
    That brings about moments where the game dips to 20ish fps in the wilderness, standing still, that go straight to 60 as the time of day changes.
    What is wrong with that?

  • @beautifulhorsepictures
    @beautifulhorsepictures Před měsícem +110

    i knew something wasnt right. i was watching a streamer with a 4090 struggle to stream it at a consistent 60fps, always dropping to 30. we're entering an era where AAA devs seem to not care about games being playable on PCs

    • @CKarasu13
      @CKarasu13 Před měsícem +10

      The GPU is irrelevant here. It's the CPU that matters most.

    • @JFrenchman
      @JFrenchman Před měsícem +44

      ​@@CKarasu13 that's how he knew something was wrong, if a professional streamer with a modern beast of a PC can't stream this well then theres something up.

    • @CKarasu13
      @CKarasu13 Před měsícem +2

      @@JFrenchman We don't even know if something's up, or that the decision to track all the NPCs the way they do is fundamentally a bad idea with current CPU architecture. Could be anywhere between those two points. Would love to see a professional look at the tracking an AI and break it down, if possible.

    • @EvilTim1911
      @EvilTim1911 Před měsícem +11

      That "era" has been going for a long while now. I remember when the original Watch Dogs was coming out someone found a comment in the code that Ubisoft accidentally left - "this is a PC only setting, who cares?". Ubisoft, Rockstar, Fromsoft are just a few of the AAA studios that don't care about PC

    • @reappermen
      @reappermen Před měsícem +7

      To be fair in this case, the game apparently also runs bad on consoles. Seems to have far less crashes, but still plenty of stuttering and fps often below 20!
      This one isn't a bad port, it's a bad game.

  • @taomahNEGEV
    @taomahNEGEV Před měsícem +110

    When Denuvo is removed in a year performance will improve significantly. Until then stay clear.

    • @canaconn2388
      @canaconn2388 Před měsícem +18

      Stay clear after too, the entire game is flawed, not just the performance

    • @taomahNEGEV
      @taomahNEGEV Před měsícem

      @@canaconn2388 What a disappointment then as I hold fond memories of Dragon's Dogma. No hope is lost as it stands at 89 at Metacritic.

    • @Glotttis
      @Glotttis Před měsícem +21

      @@canaconn2388"I demand only perfection". Every game is flawed.

    • @canaconn2388
      @canaconn2388 Před měsícem +10

      @@Glotttis Not as much as this one 😂
      ($40 worth of microtransactions on top of the base price)

    • @rolf1819
      @rolf1819 Před měsícem +30

      @@canaconn2388 just stop, the mtx is literally nothing, it's like selling, pokeballs and potions in a pokemon game or souls in a dark soul game, completely insignificant and silly, all their games have mtx, clearly the problem is performance, adults don't care about anything other than that as along as the mtx is not needed and doesn't get in the way of the actual game

  • @chadwolf3840
    @chadwolf3840 Před měsícem

    What i’ve also noticed with this game is that the longer I actually spend in the city the more the frame rate tends to go down. When I first get to the cities, I get like 60 to 70 fps, after like 10 minutes of wandering, same area i’ll be at 40fps.

    • @kanrakucheese
      @kanrakucheese Před měsícem

      Demo was confirmed to have massive memory leaks, so I don't doubt there's some elsewhere.

  • @dcarpenter85
    @dcarpenter85 Před měsícem

    @GamersNexus do you think that as games become more and more heavy in terms of AI and simulation that there could be a market for an add-in-card similar to the AGEIA PhysX boards in the mid 2000s that developers could offload AI and simulation tasks to allowing the CPU to be used more efficiently in the render pipeline?

  • @alvintollah
    @alvintollah Před měsícem +40

    Capcom: "hm.... This dumpster fire looks bad. We should do something about it."
    Grabs the can labeled "kerosene (denuvo)" and pours it on the fire.

    • @dantauche7917
      @dantauche7917 Před měsícem +3

      No, the can is actually labeled Denuvo.
      But yes, correct and accurate lol

    • @backupplan6058
      @backupplan6058 Před měsícem +6

      Capcon: “hm…. Still needs something, but what?”
      Tosses in a bag of firewoods (Micro transactions)
      Chef’s kiss as walks away slowly.

    • @Mayhzon
      @Mayhzon Před měsícem

      Capcom is very protect of it's IPs. It's nothing new.
      Don't think without Denuvo this would be different, though. The first Dragon's Dogma also struggled on release. It was one of the few games on console then with visual stutter and issues in big cities?
      Must be something about how they coded this and the previous Dragon's Dogma game.

    • @honeybadger6275
      @honeybadger6275 Před měsícem +1

      @@Mayhzon i think its cause they used the reengine it isnt deisgned for open world rpgs with tons of npcs, they should have just used ue5, but im sure capcom execs were like we can save so much money by using our in house engine

  • @Novskyy621
    @Novskyy621 Před měsícem +97

    Never dodged a bullet more than with not preordering this mess

    • @optimusghost
      @optimusghost Před měsícem +4

      I was about to preorder when I read the PCgamer article, Capcom shoot themselves in the foot with this Game.

    • @kingplunger6033
      @kingplunger6033 Před měsícem +23

      You shouldn't pre order in general. Costs nothing to wait until you how it is day one

    • @rundown132
      @rundown132 Před měsícem +2

      After D4, I'm skeptical of everything

    • @lilithstenhouse267
      @lilithstenhouse267 Před měsícem +9

      Why would you ever preorder? Preordering tells companies they can ship whatever unoptimised garbage they want because they've already got your money.

    • @blizyon30fps86
      @blizyon30fps86 Před měsícem

      @@kingplunger6033pre order benefits are usually enticing but they’re lack luster for this game I almost pre ordered then pulled the trigger on hell divers

  • @boris.lyalka
    @boris.lyalka Před měsícem

    @GamersNexus do you know when the PresentMon v2.0 is gonna come out? can't wait to test it out

  • @RazorFangs90
    @RazorFangs90 Před měsícem

    I don't know if this might help anyone, but i had an awful lag experience with this game, basically every 20 minutes-ish i would start getting such severe stuttering (not necessarily in Vernworth either) that i just knew i had to restart the game, and i already installed the newest NVidia DLSS file, because for some reason it's not updated for this game, and Process Lasso (which is the go-to program recommended by anyone to make the game as playable as possible) by putting the priority on high instructed.
    All of this happened UNTIL i switched the priority to "above average", and by accident the Nvidia FPS overlay closed itself (so that might be a factor), since then i have a pretty smooth experience, (i have a 3080Ti + 5800X 3.60 Ghz + 32 gigs of RAM, just to give more stats) of course fps go down to 40-50 in Vernworth, but at least it's consistent, and i felt more or less like i feel after getting my neck successfully fixed every time it cricks (which is often, sadly), the only downside is that after 5 or 6 hours of blissful uninterrupted gaming, the game just up and froze (although that happened even before, when i would quit and reopen it from scratch, so it might just be something that happens randomly and there's nothing i can do at the moment).
    What's annoying is that i can't get any window to open when this happens, and the game won't close, so i'm forced to ctrl+alt+del (which is the only screen change i get other than alt+tab) and turn off the pc, because i can't tell task manager in any way to force-close it.
    At least it's not freezing the entire pc, so it's not messing it up more than it probably is.
    I don't know, the game in itself is wonderful and i love it, so i don't wanna be excessively critical, but these issues really ruined the launch big time.

  • @daviddavies3637
    @daviddavies3637 Před měsícem +5

    Thanks for the explainer on the CPU load figure. Always wondered why it rarely showed my CPU doing the kind of work I was expecting it to do.

    • @robingrieves
      @robingrieves Před měsícem +1

      Yeah CPU load is a really hard one to measure. Your core can be 100% ulitized doing just one instruction set, utilizing only a tiny part of the whole core. Because of this it might only show 10-30% utilization in measuring software. So yeah, ignore that. GPU/CPU busy tells the right story.

  • @necrotic256
    @necrotic256 Před měsícem +58

    Dragma Nuts

  • @blacksama_
    @blacksama_ Před měsícem +1

    Glad you guys put a CPU benchmark that is highly useful.

  • @acnash27
    @acnash27 Před měsícem +1

    Great video. Would be cool to see a return to Cities: Skylines 2 with this analysis tech.

  • @unrealeck
    @unrealeck Před měsícem +4

    As usual outstanding video. Really in depth tests and properly investigates bottlenecks and issues with the game.

  • @POLARTTYRTM
    @POLARTTYRTM Před měsícem +125

    Please Steve, you have to make a shirt based on the Bigger Number Better meme you've created, it's just so hilarious! There is just so much you can do with that meme.

  • @Nospmas007
    @Nospmas007 Před měsícem

    Currently running with a AMD 5600x, 6800xt and using fsr quality setting for graphics. Had 1 crash in 15~ish hours and not really any stuttering or framerate dips, AMD control panel says avg framerate is 55 fps. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones, seeing quite a few streamers with lots of crashing.

  • @I.B.Annoyed
    @I.B.Annoyed Před měsícem +6

    Game of the year, some people said... before the game was even officially released :D

    • @EFXVoila
      @EFXVoila Před měsícem

      yep, always the same dumb takes. Gamers just dont learn....

  • @rafaelmarkos4489
    @rafaelmarkos4489 Před měsícem +31

    4:04 The pause before "launch" conveys a depth of pain and torment.

  • @ericneilson1198
    @ericneilson1198 Před měsícem +52

    So an RTX 3070ti with i7 12700k would be considered obsolete? One would think they could get at minimum 6 years out of that setup, not 2.

    • @SurrealLeaf
      @SurrealLeaf Před měsícem +34

      Careful, people on youtube and reddit will suddenly come out of woodworks to say that setup is "ancient" and "shouldnt be optimized to dinosaurs"

    • @MrEvtmazda
      @MrEvtmazda Před měsícem +2

      Close to what im running. Its playable on low graphics setting but still only 40-60FPS

    • @zynuin4837
      @zynuin4837 Před měsícem +16

      I'm already getting people who have told me unironically that my system is midrange. 7800x3d + 3080 Ti.

    • @mikeclarke3990
      @mikeclarke3990 Před měsícem +1

      My 3080 feels bad already

    • @gunturbayu6779
      @gunturbayu6779 Před měsícem +1

      I mean , even when the game is optimized those 8g vram already shwoing age

  • @OldWorldRadio2
    @OldWorldRadio2 Před měsícem +3

    I hope you all refunded every 4 copies. Capcom MUST be punished for this at all costs.

  • @Janosevic80
    @Janosevic80 Před měsícem

    I have a 12100F and the cities are very laggy but manageable. I encountered just 1 crash in my 50 hours playtime. The multiple seconds hitching was more common, around 4 times. Would love to see a test without Denuvo to see if there are any differences.
    Specs: 4080, 12100F, 32 GB DDR4 , Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus

  • @Dorraj
    @Dorraj Před měsícem +16

    11:25 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS
    SO sick of people online screaming that you're only CPU bound when your CPU has high utilization. THANK YOU

    • @user-Cata7sti7ma7
      @user-Cata7sti7ma7 Před měsícem +1

      its more a game engine bound that a CPU bound. since the engine do not fully utilise the CPU.
      So in this situation i dont think its fair to say that its a CPU bound, its a game engine bound.

    • @Dorraj
      @Dorraj Před měsícem +3

      @@user-Cata7sti7ma7 If the engine cannot fully utilize the CPU... the game is CPU-bound. That's literally what that means. Like stated in the video, just because your CPU isn't being 100% utilized, doesn't mean you aren't CPU-bound.
      Using a higher end CPU increases performance, using a lower end CPU decreases performance. That's the definition of CPU-bound.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +10

      @@user-Cata7sti7ma7That doesn't make any sense. It is not a "game engine bind." The engine is not limiting us. The CPU is limited on certain cores. You can't just take a workload that assigns to a single thread and split it. Programming isn't that easy.

    • @user-Cata7sti7ma7
      @user-Cata7sti7ma7 Před měsícem +2

      @@GamersNexus
      CPU bound as always been when you hit 99% usage, then the CPU is entirely at fault for the performance. Then if GPU is a 99% is then the GPU that is at fault for the performance. When both are not fully used at 100% It is engine bound. The engine API is the limiting factor aka bad API programming and optimization. The hardware is not concerned at all.
      If Colossal order (city skyline) manage to scale their engine API to 64 thread, everyone can, If Doom eternal can get 99% GPU usage even at 480p and the fps count that scale nearly linearly, everyone can, specially programmer of multi-billionaire company. There are lazy, and everyone know it.
      Whether it's CS2, Valorant, R6S, de facto at 1080p, the GPU and the CPU are not 100%, they are engine bound games. The sole responsible is the engine API. When we call CPU bound, GPU bound, Engine bound. we point out the person responsible for the limitations.
      The game is poorly coded. It does not fully utilize the hardware except if you intentionally GPU bound yourself, Brief DD2 is poorly coded like 99% of game is .
      Because great coded game is not a factor of commercial success… minimum effort generalized mediocrity is the watchword. Minimum effort maximum profit.

  • @dingickso4098
    @dingickso4098 Před měsícem +11

    It has Trashuvo. Once again, customers suffer while pirates do their duty as usual.

  • @EvryGama
    @EvryGama Před měsícem +5

    @GamersNexus
    WOW! Such a great tech review you did! With SO many Benchmarks, considering SO many configurations!! REALLY noone else does it in such depth and detail like you do! Thanks a lot for testing this as a whole team and with so much effort! Through your input now I know what awaits me... I just made it to create the main Character (due to technical issues trying to live stream it on my Legion GO and just very limited time) and am looking forward to play the game even with its issues. Those city stutters look CRAAAZY though! 😱😱😱

  • @chopgr
    @chopgr Před měsícem

    i dig those pc cases shown at the video. are they roomy and offer good thermals though?

  • @watercannonscollaboration2281
    @watercannonscollaboration2281 Před měsícem +105

    Damn I didn’t know this game was that big enough to justify a GN video (not even the “AAAA” Skull and Bones), although makes sense considering not the game, but the size of the dumpster fire

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +162

      We just aren't equipped to test a quadruple A game!

    • @bigdaddynero3497
      @bigdaddynero3497 Před měsícem +12

      It had 220 k on Steam, the other day. It's Capcom's biggest single player release.

    • @AintPopular
      @AintPopular Před měsícem +4

      @@GamersNexus Lmao

    • @ilgiallo0
      @ilgiallo0 Před měsícem +1

      Tbh the little bin you all guys are torching for the fps/microtransaction is overshadow by all the people playing, looks to me like the harry potter lgbt boycot to me .
      I'm sorry for console players but the era of consoles is dead and is not CAPCOM fault.
      The ps5 born already old , that's why the "esclusive" are dying .

    • @sjneow
      @sjneow Před měsícem +5

      well GN is more of a hardware channel, they are more concerned of games that pushes the hardware rather than a game that is fun. Maybe this will be the Crysis of the new era

  • @macking104
    @macking104 Před měsícem +23

    At 10:20pm PST Sunday 24 March
    Network function
    Some services are experiencing problems

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před měsícem +26

      Is it not letting you play this single player game because of a server outage?

    • @barenyeager3936
      @barenyeager3936 Před měsícem +13

      ​@@GamersNexus without servers you cant get the pawns of others and they cant get yours, so you are stuck to playing with Capcoms REALLY bad pawns for your group

    • @rarerappy3561
      @rarerappy3561 Před měsícem +1

      ​@GamersNexus no, that's not how it works. You just can't use the online features. And the offline provided pawns are not going to be worse than the majority of user pawns that are ungeared.

    • @barenyeager3936
      @barenyeager3936 Před měsícem

      @@rarerappy3561 just look for good online pawns lol

  • @TDawgBR
    @TDawgBR Před měsícem

    While I don't really care about this game in particular, I do enjoy seeing the new performance tools. Would love to see a video from you guys on how we can use this ourselves on our own hardware testing on the games we play since you guys can't cover everything. Basically covering installation, use, and interpretation. How to identify when the CPU is the bottleneck, when the GPU is, or clues that it could be something else. I think I understand how to read the various real-time graphs in this video, but would appreciate a "how to" for confirmation.

  • @JunnyJai
    @JunnyJai Před měsícem +4

    Damn Denuvo back at it again and crippling every game that it's used on. I still remember the time when Denuvo themselves made a statement to deny it doesn't hinder game performance. What a joke.

  • @Magariz1283
    @Magariz1283 Před měsícem +49

    The fact that people are still defending this game is just insane

    • @shadowboy2417
      @shadowboy2417 Před měsícem +10

      The performance sucks but im loving my adventure

    • @Magariz1283
      @Magariz1283 Před měsícem +19

      @@shadowboy2417 you can, i wont give them any money. stupid microtransactions, shitty drm, and abysmal performance = hard pass

    • @pijinio
      @pijinio Před měsícem

      Your stutter adventure @@shadowboy2417

    • @chrisseger2346
      @chrisseger2346 Před měsícem +4

      ​@@Magariz1283Cool story bro.

    • @kazzxtrismus
      @kazzxtrismus Před měsícem +9

      looks like a 10yr old game

  • @YuNherd
    @YuNherd Před měsícem +3

    Thanks as always, Steve