The Apple IIe on a Card

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  • @spunkmire2664
    @spunkmire2664 Před 4 lety +489

    "Nice wood grain on the wagon!" said LGR.
    "You have typhoid." said Dr. Mix

    • @catfish552
      @catfish552 Před 4 lety +81

      LGR keeping everyone alive by making sandwiches.

    • @thegardenofeatin5965
      @thegardenofeatin5965 Před 4 lety +104

      Techmoan buys a dashcam for the wagon.

    • @Oncampus2k
      @Oncampus2k Před 4 lety +75

      “WELCOME to another river crossing... thing...” - - - LGR

    • @BertGrink
      @BertGrink Před 4 lety +32

      Meanwhile, LMNC was busy building a synthesizer from sticks, straw and spit

    • @csabasanta5696
      @csabasanta5696 Před 4 lety +37

      I believe in this particular version you also can visit thrift shops to equip your party

  • @LGR
    @LGR Před 4 lety +501

    Always enjoy seeing these alternate system possibilities on classic Macs. Been messing with an x86 DOS compatibility card recently myself!
    Also: with enough bacon and bullets, I have no doubt all five of us would survive the trek to Oregon 😁

    • @xavierkun1
      @xavierkun1 Před 3 lety +4

      Probably you end like in American Dad xD

    • @cessposter
      @cessposter Před 3 lety +6

      Pro tip: it's the 90s man!! Let's take dad's car!!!

    • @cchipp21
      @cchipp21 Před 3 lety +12

      Not to mention a wood grain gun, to go with the bullets of course.

    • @grasstails9737
      @grasstails9737 Před 3 lety +3

      hi

    • @clcwqhd
      @clcwqhd Před 3 lety +4

      Bacon is essential

  • @JeremyLeePotocki
    @JeremyLeePotocki Před 4 lety +289

    6:06
    Techmoan have died of dysentery. Oh eck!!
    LGR has a broken arm.
    Dr Mix has typhoid
    LMNC has a snakebite.
    Eight-Bit has a broken leg.

    • @lordofthecats6397
      @lordofthecats6397 Před 4 lety +9

      Thanks, I was wondering who would be the one to die of dysentery.

    • @SegaSaturnSubs
      @SegaSaturnSubs Před 4 lety +13

      *flippin' eck!!

    • @IanDarley
      @IanDarley Před 4 lety +8

      ....and Nostalgia Nerd was very very disappointed

    • @summerlaverdure
      @summerlaverdure Před 4 lety +4

      of course techmoan died of dysentery, he shits himself over every little negative thing anyway

    • @jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171
      @jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171 Před 4 lety +2

      Probably ended up drinking water sourced downhill from the graveyard again!

  • @Doctormix
    @Doctormix Před 4 lety +219

    Wow! Awesome to be in your 1848 party 😁❤️👍🙌

  • @LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER
    @LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER Před 4 lety +247

    Hahaha I would be more than happy being in that party 😂. Amazing!!! 1848 wouldn’t know what hit em!!

    • @grasstails9737
      @grasstails9737 Před 3 lety

      hi

    • @livelongandprosper70
      @livelongandprosper70 Před 3 lety +1

      your the wee guy that looks like Harry Enfield's long lost son right ?

    • @alexfinns6162
      @alexfinns6162 Před 3 lety

      @LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER lol

    • @LeonSheeter
      @LeonSheeter Před 2 lety

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    • @CrippleX89
      @CrippleX89 Před 2 lety

      As soon as he mentioned you in the video I wondered if you’d pop up in the comments, and sure enough!

  • @dragonskunkstudio7582
    @dragonskunkstudio7582 Před 4 lety +700

    11:35 Wow from take apart with no tools required to fighting for the right to fix.

    • @alextirrellRI
      @alextirrellRI Před 4 lety +133

      Woz was really big on making things easy to work on with the Apple II series. Jobs less so, though he left Apple early on in the Mac's life, and Apple made most Macs very easy to work on, until Steve came back and the creep towards less access began.

    • @moth.monster
      @moth.monster Před 4 lety +234

      @uni blab Liberals? We're not talking politics here. Go to bed, Grandpa.

    • @pentagen
      @pentagen Před 4 lety +37

      The earliest Macs were difficult, if not impossible, to upgrade in any meaningful way. That was by design. Steve Jobs wanted the Macintosh to be a toaster, which is to say, something that "just worked" and never needed to be tinkered with.
      It wasn't until the Macintosh Plus that Apple offered a Mac that could be upgraded internally, and I believe only the RAM could be upgraded. (Unless we count the Macintosh XL, but that was a re-branded Lisa II with a Mac operating system running in emulation, so it's usually ignored.)
      Though, it should be noted that an earlier Mac could be upgraded to a Macintosh Plus by removing the original guts and replacing them with a Macintosh Plus upgrade kit sold by Apple.

    • @ultrametric9317
      @ultrametric9317 Před 4 lety +33

      @@pentagen Yes, they were far, FAR behind the x86 world. By 1992 Apple was a company with no future and nothing to offer. How they managed to survive was itself a minor miracle.

    • @thatLukeKneller
      @thatLukeKneller Před 4 lety +23

      @@ultrametric9317 You can thank Microsoft :)

  • @greciasoleble
    @greciasoleble Před 4 lety +100

    whoa it's incredible how customizable and upgradable the early apple computers were, the total opposite of the current apple.
    very illustrative video.

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 Před 4 lety +3

      Because you could install one card? Ever hear of Thunderbolt..? ;-) Technically they're far more expandable today.

    • @jendib
      @jendib Před 4 lety +16

      @@nickwallette6201 No they are definitely not :)

    • @benjaminbodewig3572
      @benjaminbodewig3572 Před 4 lety +1

      @@jendib The Mac Pros are, you can Upgrade anything from CPU to graphics card.

    • @NaokisRC
      @NaokisRC Před 4 lety +2

      @@jendib They are expandable but they're also not. You cabt change the cpu or ram sure, but storage, gpus and other stuff can easily go through the thunderbolt ports. And yes it is expensive but the majority of people who use macs arent using them for gaming or windows, so if you want those, go build a pc

    • @gajbooks
      @gajbooks Před 4 lety +7

      @@NaokisRC The RAM is the only thing which is disappointing that they stopped allowing upgrades for. Their purchase upgrade prices for RAM and disk have and always will be criminally expensive compared to what they should be.

  • @tyttuut
    @tyttuut Před 4 lety +175

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: You, LGR, Techmoan, and any other vintage computing CZcamsrs should make a movie where you're all in an Oregon Trail type environment, with vintage computers tied in somehow.

    • @jennifercruz8142
      @jennifercruz8142 Před 4 lety +2

      Hear hear

    • @UNSCPILOT
      @UNSCPILOT Před 3 lety +6

      Oregan Trail + Terminator, and that version of skynet is weirdly vulnerable to vintage tech

    • @JetFalcon710
      @JetFalcon710 Před 2 lety +3

      @@UNSCPILOT I guess it's been modernized so much it doesn't seem to worry about what vintage tech can do, or possibly doesn't even know it exists

    • @Mekelaina
      @Mekelaina Před 2 lety

      them filming in costume a recreation of an Oregon trail game

    • @superviewer
      @superviewer Před rokem +1

      A reality show. Or a game about reality show contestants running into a few challenges. It could be the next collaboration of between Ron Gilbert and Gary Winnick in the style of Thimbleweed Park :D

  • @PlayerOneStart
    @PlayerOneStart Před 4 lety +99

    Well done! Though I am a bit disappointed I didn't find out which one of you died of dysentery. :)
    A former teacher of mine gave me his old LC II when he retired. He had a bunch of old Apple II software with it, along with that breakout cable and a 5.25 inch floppy drive. Until this video, I had no idea that card was responsible for running all of the Apple II software on that machine. Thanks!

  • @gearfriedtheswmas
    @gearfriedtheswmas Před 4 lety +424

    LGR is not happy you didn't have Duke along.

  • @musicmanfelipe
    @musicmanfelipe Před 4 lety +1

    My elementary school computer lab had this exact same setup, the Mac LCII with the Apple II cards. Thanks for bringing back those memories.

  • @dbeaumontresident847
    @dbeaumontresident847 Před 4 lety +6

    Thanks for the upload David, Great vid as always!

  • @TheH454
    @TheH454 Před 4 lety +378

    Well, looks like the price of these cards just doubled.🤑

  • @mrfluffytailthethird
    @mrfluffytailthethird Před 4 lety +43

    My school was using appleIIs all the way into 1996 when I was in first grade computer class
    That math game brought back a flood of memories

    • @CommodoreFan64
      @CommodoreFan64 Před 4 lety +3

      My middle school/ school system in general was doing the same thing all the way up till around 95/96 while having a slow transition to a combo of lower end Mac's, IBM PS/2 DOS/3.11 desktops, and just a couple years later adding in DELL, and Gateway Windows 95/98 machines till I got out in 2000.

    • @CCscott
      @CCscott Před 4 lety +1

      Math Munchers 🤓

    • @DennisKovacich
      @DennisKovacich Před 4 lety +4

      I graduated from high school in 1979 barely knowing what a computer was! Now get off my lawn!

    • @alexdhall
      @alexdhall Před 4 lety +2

      My elementary school continued to use Apple IIgs's up until 1997/98. Learned how to type on them as well. I also had a chance to use an Macintosh LC II with an Apple II card. I vaguely remember it having trouble reading some Apple II disks on occasion. Instead of launching the program on the disk it would prompt the user to format the disk...

    • @UpcycleElectronics
      @UpcycleElectronics Před 4 lety +3

      Ha, you were on my booger'd keyboard from '91 in 1st grade playing the same thing. With similar fond memories of Math Munchers....which I never would have remembered on my own :-)

  • @JeremyBlant
    @JeremyBlant Před 4 lety

    It was amazing to see this. Remember going to Computer city in ATX and seeing these cards installed in a Quadra with a full page display. Seemed like a great idea especially for schools that had a lot of money invested in apple II and wanted to upgrade to macs. Thank you for creating this

  • @pulloutski01
    @pulloutski01 Před 4 lety

    These vids always cheer me up when I'm not feeling good. Best content on CZcams right here

  • @binface9
    @binface9 Před 4 lety +44

    Poor Anders E. Jensen, not being included on your expedition.

    • @Bob3519
      @Bob3519 Před 4 lety +5

      His family didn't immigrate to the US. So no Jensen fore fathers to visit "back to the future".

    • @twocvbloke
      @twocvbloke Před 4 lety +8

      And yet Techmoan's in the north west of England, so also not a US migrant... :P

    • @binface9
      @binface9 Před 4 lety +2

      @@twocvbloke Indeed. Look Mum No Computer is also English - from down South.

    • @Halfpipesaur
      @Halfpipesaur Před 4 lety +1

      better for him, he don't have to die of dysentery

  • @JanaBuvari
    @JanaBuvari Před 4 lety +3

    Great video! I love when you show and walk us through schematics!

  • @datashed
    @datashed Před 4 lety +2

    As always, I'll stay around for the next episode! A new 8-Bit Guy episode is *always* cause for celebration 'round these parts, and this one does not disappoint!

  • @TheRealMentat001
    @TheRealMentat001 Před 4 lety +5

    I used to work for a school district's IT back in the 90's. I remember configuring a load of LC and Performa systems with these cards. I though that was SO cool! A couple years later we setup some Performa 6100s with the DOS Compatibility Card so the teachers could access the grading system that sat on a Novell NetWare server. UGH, what a nightmare THAT was!

  • @misterkite
    @misterkite Před 4 lety +233

    Now you need to go one level deeper. There was a Z80 card for the Apple II which was actually Microsoft's biggest money-maker for a time.

    • @rusolarusso8372
      @rusolarusso8372 Před 4 lety +17

      the obscure but essential at the time, SoftCard.

    • @booboo699254
      @booboo699254 Před 4 lety +30

      @@rusolarusso8372 Not obscure at all, it was very high-profile and even today it's easily sourced. So popular that there were tons of Taiwan clones... also available on eBay today. There are even modern-day reinterpretations of the SoftCard.

    • @PhateShepherd
      @PhateShepherd Před 4 lety +22

      Or even deeper still... I had the PCPI Appli-Card. It was a faster Z80 card that had its own RAM, and instead of stopping the 6502, it was left running to handle IO for the Z80.

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 Před 4 lety +9

      Great to have if you want to run CP/M on your Apple ][ or ][+. I don't have the Z-80 Softcard itself, but I do have a brochure from this company called MicroSoft (spelled that way!).

    • @gregsmith9183
      @gregsmith9183 Před 4 lety +12

      @@bobblum5973 My home PC at the time was a Apple IIe Clone.. It had the Apple Soft Z80 CP/M card. It was a wierd computer as It could run most apple software. Except Appleworks. The most popular productivitty software title on the Apple II series. So we just used Apple Dos 3.3, VisiCalc and Wordstar insteead under CP/M.

  • @thaddeusmcgrath
    @thaddeusmcgrath Před 4 lety +255

    I enjoyed the information on the Apple 2 but really want to know who died first of dysentery playing the Oregon Trail in your party?

    • @OnAir2650
      @OnAir2650 Před 4 lety +4

      Yes, a good question!

    • @supercomputer0448
      @supercomputer0448 Před 4 lety

      Frank broke his leg 3 times then died

    • @australia-hungary2762
      @australia-hungary2762 Před 4 lety +1

      thaddeus mcgrath hi mr cat

    • @thaddeusmcgrath
      @thaddeusmcgrath Před 4 lety

      @@australia-hungary2762 Hello kind person. I really have two black cats, and both as interesting as the picture.

    • @rz2374
      @rz2374 Před 4 lety

      @@australia-hungary2762 is your name a reference to countryballs?

  • @tonyblox
    @tonyblox Před 4 lety

    Ok, I just love the music in this video for some reason. Also, would watch anything that you upload, keep it up!!!

  • @bartdunbar5108
    @bartdunbar5108 Před 4 lety

    As a proud Apple 2 c and Franklin ace 500 owner I love when you do Apple videos. I always learn so much. Thank you

  • @tyttuut
    @tyttuut Před 4 lety +98

    6:08 I hereby demand that all of you get together and make a short movie/video where you all survive in an Oregon Trail inspired world, but with obsolete tech somehow involved.

    • @thegardenofeatin5965
      @thegardenofeatin5965 Před 4 lety +5

      Or just do a stream of them playing the game.

    • @WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS
      @WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS Před 4 lety

      Netflix will do it.

    • @only257
      @only257 Před 4 lety

      The Tyttuutface cool idea😈

    • @enigma776
      @enigma776 Před 4 lety +4

      Only if they bring Stuart Ashen along.

    • @needforsuv
      @needforsuv Před 4 lety

      back to the year 1970, except there are no cars, only vintage tech and electricity, no running water - post apocalyse

  • @darktetsuya
    @darktetsuya Před 4 lety +3

    I remember seeing the Apple II series in grade school! (the IIGS upgrade blew my mind as a kid.... I remember there WAS a special demo disk that taught you how to use the mouse?! but aside from that not really sure how many games used the mouse.) so I was definitely excited to hear about this episode.... seems like a neat piece of tech! (and that hidden mode, had to wonder if apple was experimenting with backward compatibility back then?!)

  • @willpreston6881
    @willpreston6881 Před 4 lety

    Yes! I have one, but no working LC to pair it with. Very glad to see it covered and in action.

  • @lostrocket9126
    @lostrocket9126 Před 4 lety

    Thank you David! My first contact with game programming (basic) was on an Apple II!!!!!

  • @Maverick7r
    @Maverick7r Před 4 lety +10

    Man, this video brings back memories I didn't even know I had, lol!! I grew up using Apple IIe machines in elementary school and early middle school and then Apple IIgs machines in late middle school. I forgot all about Number Muncher!! I remember that game and some other game about walking around a virtual house and having to turn off lights and electronic items to save energy... don't remember the name of that though unfortunately. I might just have to grab a Apple IIe emulator to mess with now, hahaha!!
    Great video as usual, love your videos!! Keep up the great work!!! :)

    • @Chaos89P
      @Chaos89P Před 4 lety +4

      You might want to go for an Apple LC emulator, if those exist. AppleWin does fine for just standard ][e emulation.

    • @Maverick7r
      @Maverick7r Před 4 lety

      @@Chaos89P Thanks, I will have to look into that!! I have so many older Mac laptops and such at home that my wife would shoot me if I bought more, lol!! :)

  • @Jesse__H
    @Jesse__H Před 4 lety +17

    I had no idea that LC meant Low Cost. Our family's second computer after the Macintosh was the LCII, and I always vaguely wondered if it stood for anything!

    • @jonc4403
      @jonc4403 Před 4 lety +2

      It was frequently referred to as the "Little Crappy" because it was actually a horribly compromised machine, far slower than it should have been, because it was running a 32 bit processor on a 16 bit data bus. lowendmac.com/2014/mac-lc-a-compromised-mac/ The LC II repeated the mistake. The LC III was actually a really good machine, as was the 68040 LC 475/Quadra 605 (which was essentially the same computer in slightly different plastics).

    • @OldAussieAds
      @OldAussieAds Před rokem

      @@jonc4403 Knowing what I know now, I agree with you. But as a teen in the early 90s, my parents upgrading from a Mac Plus to an LCII, man it was like all my Christmases came at once. It might have been a bit hobbled, but it had colour, and stacks of the new games like Lemmings, Sim City 2000, Space Quest and Vette. Those were truly great days for me.

  • @kmitses
    @kmitses Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the Vid ! It’s kinda feels throw back to the ibookguy days .

  • @MacinMindSoftware
    @MacinMindSoftware Před 4 lety

    Thank you for trying out all the equipment I've had here for years that I've never tried. I have the LC II, the Color Classic, IIe Card, joystick floppy cable, and 5.25 drive but I was never a IIe user and have no software nor nostalgic ties to it. I went from C-64 to Macintosh XL to LC and was aware of it in the day and now finally get to see it working. Got me curious that it worked with later models and found it should also work with my Quadra 605!

  • @scottfirman
    @scottfirman Před 4 lety +7

    I learned how to code on an Apple 2c. It was at the school I cleaned. I used my lunch hour and breaks to use the lessons that were with the computer on how computers work and how to write code.

    • @wobblyrampack9655
      @wobblyrampack9655 Před 4 lety

      Awesome! Always fascinating to learn how people got into coding! :)

  • @hustonovich
    @hustonovich Před 4 lety +7

    2:04 I remember playing Number Munchers on an Apple II as early as Kindergarten back in 1994.

  • @XalphYT
    @XalphYT Před 4 lety

    Great video! You knocked it out of the park with this one.

  • @sexycavetroll2788
    @sexycavetroll2788 Před 4 lety

    Great video. I was born in 84 so these computers are only in my memory at the very start. I did use these computers in grade school and of course I played the heck outta the trail. It's great seeing people keeping the spirit of this stuff alive

  • @stewiegriffin6503
    @stewiegriffin6503 Před 4 lety +156

    I read "Apple LIE on card".
    Must reduce watching "Rossmanm Repair Shop" channel.

  • @UselessDuckCompany
    @UselessDuckCompany Před 4 lety +55

    You are trending in canada!

  • @Izavos
    @Izavos Před 3 lety

    Fantastic I was a Brazilian user of "Apple // e" at the end of the 80's and 90's.
    How many good memories. Thank you very much for your good work.

  • @alecgrolimond1678
    @alecgrolimond1678 Před 4 lety

    I like your videos and watch them from time to time as I started in the Sinclair area.

  • @ChrisPollitt
    @ChrisPollitt Před 4 lety +3

    We had a similar card for our IBM PC compatible computer. It required Appe II disk drives to work.

  • @ReedHarston
    @ReedHarston Před 4 lety +8

    Cool! I don’t know how I’d never heard of this. My dad picked up lots of old Apple from schools over the years.
    I guess this answers how Apple handled the Apple II to Mac transition. I knew they handled the PowerPC and Intel transitions well, but until today I didn’t know how they had handled this transition.

    • @williamdrum9899
      @williamdrum9899 Před 2 lety

      Must have been a lot harder since the early Macs were big-endian and the Apple II never was

    • @OldAussieAds
      @OldAussieAds Před rokem

      @@williamdrum9899 The early Macs had very little educational software. You didn’t start seeings Macs in schools where I lived until the late 80s.

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum5973 Před 4 lety

    David, thank you for yet another enjoyable video. You're making me think about digging out my old Apple ][+ to see if it still works. It's so old the cover doesn't say "Plus", it's an original ][ that the store upgraded with the floating point Applesoft BASIC ROMs from the integer BASIC ones. I never had Apple Disk ][ drives, used cassette tapes until I got a good deal on two Franklin clone drives. I've never wanted to part with it, had it about 41 years now, one owner.

  • @BlackTomorrowMusic
    @BlackTomorrowMusic Před 4 lety +2

    Wow, this brings back memories. My middle and high school used the Apple IIe even into the late 90s. Ours had the green monochrome screen, though.

  • @AllenKll
    @AllenKll Před 4 lety +4

    I love your videos. Bu it drives me nuts that you run your Commodore 128 in C64 mode for the opening. For the love of god, led the green screen live!

  • @chrisforkan2090
    @chrisforkan2090 Před 4 lety +4

    This guy needs to have a tv show, maybe for his restorations

  • @freezyAndHaze
    @freezyAndHaze Před 4 lety

    you r an absolute beast of an engineer. keep it up m8

  • @CraigRodmellMusic
    @CraigRodmellMusic Před 4 lety

    Thanks for filming and posting. Interesting as usual! Big thumbs up.

  • @jacksongresh8786
    @jacksongresh8786 Před 4 lety +17

    You left out technology connections on the Oregon trail party

  • @Xondar11223344
    @Xondar11223344 Před 4 lety +10

    Hey David, love the Blake's 7 shirt!
    It's a weird coincidence since my wife and I were supposed to watch an episode of Blake's 7 and I turned this video on instead.

  • @miaccordaion
    @miaccordaion Před 4 lety +1

    Dear The 8-Bit Guy,
    Each of your videos are a masterpiece. Thank you so much for your contents :

  • @ReneDidden
    @ReneDidden Před 4 lety +2

    I wondered where the recent traffic on my music came from and now I see this video. Thanks again David, always appreciate my music being used! And a very interesting video, from times when Apple made actually revolutionary computers.

  • @Althemor
    @Althemor Před 3 lety +3

    "And then I have two ProDOS partitions"
    You must construct additional pylons!

  • @Zadster
    @Zadster Před 4 lety +6

    Thumbs-up for the Blakes 7 t-shirt. Period correct for the Apple IIe!

    • @d2factotum
      @d2factotum Před 4 lety

      Albeit not *country* correct--the IIe was never really a thing in British schools, we had the BBC micro instead.

    • @Zadster
      @Zadster Před 4 lety

      @@d2factotum Not in the early days. In 1980 our (British) school had an Apple II Europlus. Number of pupils: 1800. Number of computers: 1. Number of people who knew how to operate it: 0.5 (me, 11 years old). The BBC Micro wasn't around for a few more years.

    • @d2factotum
      @d2factotum Před 4 lety

      I was at school in that timeframe (born 1970) and none of the schools I attended had any sort of computers until I was in middle school (1 BBC micro). Upper school had an entire computer lab which was full of RM 480Zs and one RM Nimbus.

    • @VauxhallViva1975
      @VauxhallViva1975 Před 4 lety +1

      Still my favourite classic Sci-Fi series after all this time. Classic Dr. Who is a close 2nd. Avon had some brilliant lines. Sadly, we lost Paul Darrow recently.... :(

  • @chupathingy5862
    @chupathingy5862 Před 4 lety

    The sound of components crunching in to place, that sound never gets old...

  • @benharyo
    @benharyo Před 3 lety

    Thank you very much. A well-scripted video which brings back old memories of the Apple IIe 🙏

  • @docmaynard1934
    @docmaynard1934 Před 4 lety +5

    AppleWorks does recognize the year 2019. However you need a version of ProDOS that also does, as it looks for ProDOS to interrupt the dates.

  • @SomeMorganSomewhere
    @SomeMorganSomewhere Před 4 lety +9

    If I were to guess I'd say the "split" RAM is how the LC II talks to the Apple II core and vice-versa, probably mainly used for the emulated disks?

    • @nilswegner2881
      @nilswegner2881 Před 4 lety +3

      Yup not only the emulated disks but also the graphics emulation works through this dual port ram. At least that's how it works on a commodore bridge board, which is a pc emulation card for the Amiga bigbox computers

  • @daverome8855
    @daverome8855 Před 4 lety

    I have absolutely no clue about technology or computers... but I bet I'm not the only one that keeps returning and loves your videos!

  • @foch3
    @foch3 Před 4 lety

    I still remember seeing those LC 2's at grade school and loved em. I still think it's one of the best looking designs of all time.

  • @bradhowlett7924
    @bradhowlett7924 Před 4 lety +11

    It's really interesting that this video comes out right after I randomly watch the old Mac vs apple IIgs video where this card is mentioned

    • @Miakel
      @Miakel Před 4 lety

      When something like that happens: a wizard did it.

  • @dhgodzilla1
    @dhgodzilla1 Před 4 lety +7

    Darn, I was hoping to see some Oregon Trail! Could have seen LGR die of Dysentery lol

  • @AndyAKratz
    @AndyAKratz Před 4 lety

    Loved the vid. We had these systems when I was in grade school being the IIc, IIc+, IIe and II-GS. I knew I couldn't run the GS software on the older units and the II-GS didn't even have the 5.25" floppy for me to even try. I didn't even know this card existed. That is some really cool stuff right there!

  • @robert_roland63
    @robert_roland63 Před rokem

    I admit that I never saw this video before and find it fascinating. Also got a kick out of your Blake’s 7 t-shirt. 👍

  • @VAPORVHS
    @VAPORVHS Před 4 lety +67

    Woah! my dad had an Apple II with everything but sadly somehow it had been thrown out, I never got to use it but it is a pretty cool computer

    • @afloyd4976
      @afloyd4976 Před 4 lety +8

      PolyMono - Keys Who throws away perfectly good computer equipment?

    • @NethTech
      @NethTech Před 4 lety +14

      @@afloyd4976 plenty of people do it all the time for various reasons. It's not til years later they regret that decision. It's what makes preservation so important

    • @VAPORVHS
      @VAPORVHS Před 4 lety

      A Floyd no idea

    • @donwald3436
      @donwald3436 Před 4 lety +3

      Let me guess, the woman threw it out.

    • @mountain177
      @mountain177 Před 4 lety +2

      @@afloyd4976 I traded my apple 2e platinum for a Cadillac. Had no money in the computer. And hey, I got a Cadillac for it.

  • @lwilton
    @lwilton Před 4 lety +8

    I suspect the second half the memory on that card was a memory buffer to the Mac side, used as a graphics buffer and the like.

    • @marklehman9858
      @marklehman9858 Před 3 lety

      Actually called - Dual Port Memory for memory swapping.

  • @jackwest3282
    @jackwest3282 Před 2 lety

    oregon trail really brings back memories of my childhood playing math games and oregon trail at my elementary school on the Apple IIe as a kid. I loved playing the ultima games though I did so on my friends mac/apple IIe and a little latter in the late 80s on my C64. I loved the personal computers of the 80s they were so much fun and really got me into computing as a kid and later as an adult too. The C64 and Amiga systems will always have a special place in my heart, though I did love my SNES too, there was just something special about those early days of computer gaming that really made it a different kind of experience from console gaming at the time. DOS games on those first IBM compatible PC systems with Cyrix or Intel Pentium processors were amazing and so full of creativity and ingenuity. Thanks for providing a place for all us old computer/gaming nerds to relive some of those fond memories of our youth!

  • @blevenzon
    @blevenzon Před 4 lety

    Amazing content as always, thank you so much

  • @vinnysgphone
    @vinnysgphone Před 4 lety +6

    Love surprises like this on a Sunday night excellent way to close out my weekend!

  • @Kazuo1G
    @Kazuo1G Před 4 lety +5

    The Amiga DID, however, have a PC card. RetroManCave covered this in one of his videos.

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 Před 4 lety +1

      Had a 386sx bridgeboard in mine, dedicated harddrive, and even a combo graphics/sound card that had 16-bit audio and 1280x1024 graphics mode that outshined the native amiga modes.

  • @CyrusB1
    @CyrusB1 Před 4 lety

    man, that pluggable motherboard coming out of the back of the Mac blew my mind. I'll have to look around and see how that works. David, I sure appreciate all the work you do on making the diagrams for yours videos. They make a huge difference in understanding what you're talking about. Great teacher! :) Thanks for the video!

    • @Matt_Hutchison
      @Matt_Hutchison Před 4 lety +1

      the mac minis still have this design , it all slides out at the back

  • @Sparky1002
    @Sparky1002 Před 4 lety

    Nice Thanks for putting this Video Up Dave Murray ... I think I had this at one time ....

  • @afloyd4976
    @afloyd4976 Před 4 lety +20

    Atari could have done this with the Atari 8-bit line on the Atari ST/TT/Falcon030.

    • @richard1113
      @richard1113 Před 4 lety +4

      Should have!

    • @seanc2482
      @seanc2482 Před 4 lety +2

      I would think it could have been technically possible-- at a cost, but it seems to me Tramiel didn't care about Atari's technology and brought over his own. He was more interested in beating Commodore to market against their new system. It also seemed like everyone was let go after he came to Atari. Just about everything they had in the pipeline (including the first option to have the Amiga) was ignored or cancelled. Now they did release the Atari 8bit in the form of the XE gaming console, so I guess he did use some Atari tech after the release of the ST, but by the time it came out, it was so dated, that hardly anyone cared.

    • @puffpuffin1
      @puffpuffin1 Před 4 lety +2

      ST XFormer was eventually released which allowed ST users to emulate an 8-bit. I don't remember when it was released. It was also software based, so I don't think it was very fast. Reality though was that a 65XE was $99. Developing a card or add-on like the Supercharger would cost quite a bit of $$$ and resources. In the end, Atari would have probably needed to charge MORE than $99 to make up for the development costs. Simply not worth it. Note that the big difference with Apple IIs is that they still cost hundreds of dollars more than the $250 card as mentioned.

    • @Grunchy005
      @Grunchy005 Před 4 lety

      I had a supercharger on the 2600, every single game on that system was utterly amazing.

    • @richard1113
      @richard1113 Před 4 lety

      @@puffpuffin1 Yea, good points. I knew the guy who wrote XFormer. Really smart guy. Great to have a conversation with.

  • @JMcMillen
    @JMcMillen Před 4 lety +6

    Aw man. I was hoping this was some kind of Apple IIe single board computer. Still a cool add on though.

  • @kenthejanitor3134
    @kenthejanitor3134 Před 4 lety

    This takes me back! I remember playing Oregon Trail in my elementary school computer lab on an Apple II gs. At home I had a C64, though.

  • @mrjotz
    @mrjotz Před 4 lety

    Look who's very close to reaching 1 Million subscribers! That's very cool! Keep up the great work!

  • @Markimark151
    @Markimark151 Před 4 lety +4

    Our school had Apple IIe card in the Macintosh LC to run old educational games like Number Munchers, and those old Brøderbund games!

  • @spidermcgavenport8767
    @spidermcgavenport8767 Před 4 lety +15

    Poor LGR Oregon trail is very unforgiving. Breaking a leg or dieing from dysentery...

  • @donmoore7785
    @donmoore7785 Před 4 lety

    Informative video. I graduated high school in '79, headed off to engineering school. My recollection is I had only a vague knowledge that there may be personal computers people somewhere were using. I had excellent math and science teachers, but I don't believe they even mentioned PCs. We were forced in our senior year to create an interface from an 8085 to a teletype machine, and I remember thinking that the teletype seemed archaic. However, the most advanced thing we used for a display were the 7 segment displays on the SDK kit. It wasn't until I worked on a flight test for GE in '86 that I first used a PC - a Mac. We used VAX mainframes for all our work at the office. I know most of this if off topic - one comment you made set me thinking. When I went into education in 92', the school had a bunch of IIEs and we converted to LCII and LCIII.

  • @rogerlai3197
    @rogerlai3197 Před 2 lety

    amazing video which brings me back to the early 80's when I owned a cloned Apple IIe in Hong Kong, as a university student !!!! And the old days of developing Apple IIe BASIC, the Zilog Z80 card which emulates unix-like scripting...good old days as tech guy.

  • @DinobotTM2
    @DinobotTM2 Před 4 lety +26

    Waiting for the Amiga video, and for a video on the other Sinclair computers.

    • @arongooch
      @arongooch Před 4 lety +5

      Amiga!!

    • @Grunchy005
      @Grunchy005 Před 4 lety +2

      The one I always lusted for was Atari 400 (800!) and Star Raiders. I never got one! I also always wanted an Atari ST but they went broke before I could afford one.

    • @dronepilotflyby9481
      @dronepilotflyby9481 Před 4 lety +2

      Amiga was to take over the world! AOC types existed even back then.
      The home computer market in 83 left few on store shelves at Christmas time. I could only find the Atari 600XL. Awesome as it could run all the 2600 game cartridges and you could program in true IBM basic.

  • @channelzero2252
    @channelzero2252 Před 4 lety +4

    Any chance of making a "Planet X2" port for the Apple II?
    Different note: The game I have played most on an Apple IIe was "Prince Of Persia"

    • @danielmantione
      @danielmantione Před 4 lety +4

      It might be technically feasible for the Apple IIe. For the original Apple II, things look less favourable: The default 4KB RAM will never be enough, when expanded to 48KB, you still have less RAM than the C64, but perhaps with hard effort, you could squeeze it in 48K.

  • @allan.n.7227
    @allan.n.7227 Před 4 lety

    Great choice of featured music!!

  • @johnnykruger5212
    @johnnykruger5212 Před 4 lety

    Awesome stuff as always!

  • @wojiaobill
    @wojiaobill Před 4 lety +13

    Me: it's 2019
    Apple IIe: no it's not.
    Me: it's 2019
    Apple IIe: no it's not.
    Me: alright goddamn it, it's 1989!

    • @AFFI909
      @AFFI909 Před 4 lety +1

      The first apple electronics ever was sold for 666,66 , the logo represents the forbidden fruit of the garden of eden (genesis:bible) with a bite out of it to mock god. we can probably agree that technology and associated social apps have destroyed the social fabrics of how society works, riped social interactions appart, mostly young people (but also "adults") live for others opinion, acknowledgement, status and so on. sadly enough, on most bus stops, train stations almost everyone is just glued to their phone screen. Seen the same at restaurants, couples going out together for dinner & paying atention to their phones letting it distract a nice moment

    • @markday3145
      @markday3145 Před 4 lety

      Actually, that was:
      Me: It's 1919
      Apple IIe: no it's not
      It assumed that all years were 19xx.

    • @drunkenmaster666
      @drunkenmaster666 Před 4 lety

      I would've put in dec. 31. 1999 and let it run for a day just to see what would happen.

  • @jagfanbb
    @jagfanbb Před 4 lety +3

    Number Munchers!!!! Be still my heart!!!

  • @15743_Hertz
    @15743_Hertz Před 4 lety

    I still have my IIe with disk drives and 128K RAM. In the past, I had a Vectorio which was a Japanese clone with built-in 80 column card and disk drives. I remember fondly picking up a bare-board from Akihabara, populating it with parts from the dealers under the train station there and the many hours of debugging the clone keyboard, power supply and a converted TV set to display graphics. I had a good friend that really understood the Apple's ins and outs who supplied me with good data and schematics back in the time that was pre-internet and nearly pre-modem BBS software. This was truly the dark ages of computing connectivity!

  • @tonberryhunter
    @tonberryhunter Před 4 lety

    My middle school computer lab in the early to mid 90s had every Apple computer you talked about in this video and more.

  • @visu7135
    @visu7135 Před 4 lety +4

    Thank you for saving me from random CZcams recommendations!!!

  • @adamhenry6793
    @adamhenry6793 Před 4 lety +9

    There's a TG16 bootleg with Apple II titles on it!

  • @159tony
    @159tony Před 3 lety

    I remember seeing an old apple 2 in my music teachers shelf in the classroom and I fixed it in another class, metal shop.. we had electronic parts there. It was a fun machine to tinker with.

  • @Chriva
    @Chriva Před 4 lety +1

    I just now realized the meaning of your intro. Never paid attention to it before. You "load" the episode just like a game disk. *mind blown* lol

  • @Celcius1
    @Celcius1 Před 4 lety +43

    Nice piece of hardware, just a curious thought are you going to explore the IIgs in the near future? And my honest opinion the IIgs should have been the successor in the apple line not the Mac!

    • @The8BitGuy
      @The8BitGuy  Před 4 lety +11

      I agree it should have. But I don't plan on doing any videos about it in the near future.

    • @ThetaReactor
      @ThetaReactor Před 4 lety +6

      I often wonder if the IIgs line could have really competed with the IBM PC if it had been given the proper support. It certainly could have run with the ST and Amiga. Alas, The Woz's engineering prowess was no match for the intoxicating bouquet of Jobs's own farts.

    • @RedHairdo
      @RedHairdo Před 4 lety +2

      @@ThetaReactor Probably not because of IBM PC pricing. It's always the main reason that platform took off. (And now all Macs are IBM PCs since 2006, but without the reason to be expensive anymore.)
      I don't think the IIgs should have been the successor simply because, without the Mac, the IIgs wouldn't have been what it became (GUI, the software library etc.). The many things that made the IIgs so good originated on Mac, which pioneered and took many blows in its stead. Still, I do think the IIgs is one of the coolest computers of all time.

    • @RedHairdo
      @RedHairdo Před 4 lety

      Speaking of the IIgs, and as a follow-up to this video, one could consider making a video on Apple's official IIgs emulator called GUS. The backstory is very similar to this video regarding the Apple IIe, except it's about the Apple IIgs.

    • @evknucklehead
      @evknucklehead Před 4 lety

      @@RedHairdo While GUS was developed in-house by some Apple engineers, it wasn't officially supported by Apple. Apparently it was given to some schools in an unofficial capacity, but Apple was very secretive about this at the time.

  • @TheBowersj
    @TheBowersj Před 4 lety +18

    In theory, theres nothing stopping the community from making their own C64 card for the Amiga right?

    • @JeremyLevi
      @JeremyLevi Před 4 lety +10

      Other than having to source chips from a real 64 to make it, no, nothing really stopping you. Commodore could have done it back then if they wanted to. Now you could do it all in an FPGA, but that's sort of cheating and I think you'd at least want an option for a real SID if nothing else.

    • @TheCornouiller
      @TheCornouiller Před 4 lety +1

      Knowledge and skills may be.

    • @KarriKoivusalo
      @KarriKoivusalo Před 4 lety

      If only DTV64 chips were still produced... :(

    • @JeremyLevi
      @JeremyLevi Před 4 lety +1

      @@KarriKoivusalo There is the FPGA64 core available for free for personal use and licenseable for commercial use.
      www.syntiac.com/fpga64.html

    • @summerWTFE
      @summerWTFE Před 4 lety

      Wouldn’t it be possible to reverse engineer the c64 Chips?

  • @FelipeWalker2
    @FelipeWalker2 Před 4 lety

    It's so cool that I noticed right away that every composer has his own style, when I listened to the music I knew it wasn't Jensen and even so it's still awesome!

  • @OldAussieAds
    @OldAussieAds Před rokem

    My family had an LC II and our next door neighbour had an original LC with Apple IIe card. I was always a bit envious that they had the Apple IIe card as it meant being able to bring school work home and vice versa. But we had a Video Spigot card taking up that slot (in retrospect - that was awesome as it allowed us to connect our VCR and even games consoles to the Mac. I got over it pretty quickly when our school upgraded to Macs. Then I forgot about the Apple II for many years.

  • @GigTube
    @GigTube Před 4 lety +4

    do a video about how the Apple III had no built-in fans and they actually recommended you DROP the computer to re-seat cards, lol

  • @Mastergeko4
    @Mastergeko4 Před 4 lety +15

    Time to quickly order one before they explode in more popularity

    • @dennisp.2147
      @dennisp.2147 Před 4 lety +2

      Too late, they've been expensive for ten years.

  • @Rabbit14
    @Rabbit14 Před 2 lety +1

    I've been looking for some of these 90's macs and the LC was the one I couldn't remember that I do desperately want!

  • @JDW-
    @JDW- Před 4 lety

    Great video, and holy cow... You're almost at 1 million subscribers!