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  • @matth4784
    @matth4784 Před 4 lety +467

    "It's not Ideal and it may not last permanently but it'll work for now" - Every piece of software I've ever written

    • @TylerSteven9
      @TylerSteven9 Před 4 lety +23

      Temporary fix becomes a permanent solution

    • @invisi1407
      @invisi1407 Před 4 lety +27

      @@TylerSteven9 nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution =D

    • @truckshackley373
      @truckshackley373 Před 4 lety +16

      My own personal philosophy: This is only temporary...unless it works.

    • @thetrashmann8140
      @thetrashmann8140 Před 4 lety

      Me when I make a mod for Half-Life, Half-Life 2, and Portal

    • @Gadzinisko
      @Gadzinisko Před 4 lety +1

      When I was a kid, my dad fixed our TV antenna with a bit of plasticine, "just for now". That temporary fix lasted few good years until the antenna broke completely.

  • @jsnsk101
    @jsnsk101 Před 4 lety +68

    What you call noise today, we called realistic flowing water effects!

  • @Gloworm17
    @Gloworm17 Před 4 lety +762

    Congrats on the million David!

  • @Wazoox
    @Wazoox Před 4 lety +275

    As an old Intellivision fan, I can tell you that the graphics of "Defender of the Crown" are *astonishingly good* .

    • @PeteFinn
      @PeteFinn Před 4 lety +8

      Emmanuel Florac Indeed. The game looked amazing!

    • @bace1000
      @bace1000 Před 4 lety +14

      Much better than the 2600, for sure

    • @andrewmccarty8412
      @andrewmccarty8412 Před 4 lety +2

      Same. Looks amazing. Want a copy myself now.

    • @AthleticDesign
      @AthleticDesign Před 4 lety +4

      Looks incredible and the music sounds amazingly faithful too. I'd like to see a version for the Vic 20, but the lack of hardware sprites would probably make it less playable and attractive than the Intellivsions version which seems to play and look almost exactly like a low res version of the brilliant C64 version.

    • @zooropaforever
      @zooropaforever Před 4 lety +4

      For what I can see, this port of DOCT is just AWESOME!

  • @retropuffer2986
    @retropuffer2986 Před 4 lety +168

    Defender of the Crown is mind blowing given the limitations of the system.

    • @leodf1
      @leodf1 Před 4 lety +34

      Seems like David know nothing of the Intelli. Otherwise he would be floored. I myself was stunned. Those guys didn't push the Intelli to it's limits. They went past!

    • @steve75112
      @steve75112 Před 4 lety +1

      lol landfill

    • @muhdewd9727
      @muhdewd9727 Před 4 lety +17

      My guess is that the cartridge capacity is way beyond what was viable back in the early 80s without being prohibitively expensive.

    • @pd209458
      @pd209458 Před 4 lety +8

      I just wonder if they managed to include the catapult siege part. That was my favorite when I played it on my C64.

    • @ArnauldChevallier
      @ArnauldChevallier Před 4 lety +15

      @@pd209458 Sure, we did. :-)

  • @heathergrutt4769
    @heathergrutt4769 Před 4 lety +169

    My husband introduced me to your videos a while back and have been hooked ever since.
    I love watching you fix and clean things up. Watching you modify computers and such is pretty dang cool.
    Congrats on the million! 🥇🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎈🎈

    • @sarno97
      @sarno97 Před 4 lety +2

      His work always neat and clean

  • @3DPDK
    @3DPDK Před 4 lety +324

    The answer: "... what others say." The noise on the screen and in the audio comes from the diode in the tank circuit used to demodulate the RF out of the signal. With no signal the diode voltage hovers right around threshold voltages and begins to leak random spikes of current. These spikes get amplified in the video signal pre-amp. Modern T.V.s from about the mid 90s to present, use an RF detector in the RF tank filter to trigger a screen blanker or substitute "blue screen" in the absence of an RF signal, ... *because semiconductors leak* . It's a fact of physics.
    The failed screen you show is typical of a video signal that "floats" above 1 volt. The "blacker than black" part of the signal which synchronizes the monitor's horizontal scan needs to be no more than or less than 1 volt. Occasionally the signal will nearly match the vertical timing in the monitor set by the line frequency and you get an edge "torn" image. Other times the line frequency and video timing are so far off the monitor never triggers the horizontal scan at all and you get a blank screen. The commented suggestions to add a 75Ω shunt resistor (to ground) to the composite video output draws the entire video signal down to or below the required 1 volt. It's a trick people used to bypass the very early VCR copy protection schemes where the recorded video on the tape was raised above the one volt "sync" threshold. The RF modulator sets this base voltage through the signal (usually the common) ground in the cable connection to the monitor.

    • @dentjoener
      @dentjoener Před 4 lety +25

      This dude CRTs hard :). Props for the explanation!

    • @ovalteen4404
      @ovalteen4404 Před 4 lety +7

      I suspect that it's the input side that needs biasing fixes. I've made simple op-amp AV mods that use the 75-ohm series output resistor with a coupling cap, and had no sync problems. But the Astec RF modulator does have a characteristic input impedance (as shown on its datasheet).
      Really, I don't get why everybody has a different circuit for the same mod on different platforms. 90% of them can be simple op-amp circuits like the "official" Colecovision AV mod does. You can use a pot to adjust input gain if necessary. One thing I notice about the IV's mod is that it's two back-to-back common emitter amps which are not even impedance matched between them. Its likely purpose is to provide signal gain, but it needs 2 stages because each one inverts the signal. But there is no input coupling cap on the Astec, at least not that I've seen from actual inspections, so the Astec itself will be affecting the input DC bias voltage too. That is likely the missing part. Take a DC reading with the modulator installed, then with the modulator removed. Now you know what voltage to aim for with the replacement circuit, and whether it needs to be pulled towards power or ground. Connect that and the AV amplifier, then adjust until you get the desired DC voltage.
      *Edit: Looked at the IntvII schematic. The video in from the Astec only connects to 2 diodes, both in reverse bias. One goes to a video input from the cartridge connector (apparently the cartridge port also has expansion port capabilities), and the other goes to the internal graphics generation. Either way, you can only pull the voltage down, not push up. So the RF modulator is providing a DC bias that **_must_** be replaced if you remove it. A pull-up resistor to +5V would be all you need.*

    • @michaelhawthorne8696
      @michaelhawthorne8696 Před 4 lety +2

      3DPDK
      Wow that's detailed...nice one

    • @MonoChorMe
      @MonoChorMe Před 4 lety +3

      Blimey, now that is one THICC answer hehehe. May I ask... what is your profession? You seem - without a doubt - to know about analog components...

    • @5roundsrapid263
      @5roundsrapid263 Před 4 lety +2

      I had a book on NTSC, and remember a lot of this. The two black bars were called “front porch“ and “back porch” because they were huge drops on each end of the signal.

  • @patrickturner6878
    @patrickturner6878 Před 4 lety +298

    I begged my parents for an intellivision and never got one. They said my Atari 2600 was good enough. I begged my parents for an NES and never got one. Our 2600 was good enough. So I gave up on consoles and went into PC gaming because my parents had no problems upgrading my computers when ever I asked. After all my PC was "educational" lmao

    • @markm0000
      @markm0000 Před 4 lety +48

      I never had a console or bedroom TV. My parents got me a cheap Compaq desktop in 1999 for my birthday and dialup internet. I saved up every summer and extensively upgraded it over the years to play newer games. I learned how a computer fundamentally works and how to manually repair broken parts. I threw in the towel and gave up last year when I just couldn’t get it to run Office 2019. It runs everything else just fine-Windows 7 games up until around 2013. I bought a new old stock MacBook Air that still has serviceable parts and it’s really nice to take with me to work and in the garage. I keep that old computer under my TV for streaming web radio and playing retro games.

    • @Those2menoverthere
      @Those2menoverthere Před 4 lety +12

      @@markm0000 What a nice little story. :)

    • @marksuper4920
      @marksuper4920 Před 4 lety +36

      Before expanding your comment it said
      "So I gave up consoles and read more"
      I thought that was perfect

    • @markm0000
      @markm0000 Před 4 lety +12

      Those2menoverthere . Thanks. If it weren’t for my parents making me learn how to understand and take care of my things, I’d be a completely different person nowadays. Same goes for my truck and my other little things. I love that old Compaq and I’ll keep it forever.

    • @RetroDawn
      @RetroDawn Před 4 lety +3

      So you got an Amiga or an Atari ST?

  • @pat7221
    @pat7221 Před 4 lety +17

    According to the circuit at 4:36, the signal is only AC coupled...
    So when you remove the RF modulator, I suspect :
    - either a problem of DC bias of the previous stage.
    - or of input impedance.
    To get the same DC bias:
    1- Measure the DC voltage value on the signal input when the RF modulator is present.
    2- Replace the RF modulator with your circuit.
    3- Add a big valued potentiometer between +5v and Gnd and connect the mid point to the your circuit input.
    4- Turn the potentiometer until you measure the same DC voltage as in 1.
    To change the impedance, try as above with different valued potentiometers. (Or less experimentally: Ohm's law would give you R=R1//R2 if R1 and R2 are the two parts of the potentiometer).
    I hope this helps. Good luck!

  • @AmyraCarter
    @AmyraCarter Před 4 lety +66

    At least there's no need to use antenna clips, or what the AVGN calls 'Devil's Pitchforks', lolz

  • @EngineeringVignettes
    @EngineeringVignettes Před 4 lety +16

    The passive RLC termination on the output of the video chip, and new additional composite circuit, has to keep the vertical and horizontal video blanking pulses clamped at a constant level for the TV to properly lock to it. Additionally, on the _back porch_ there will be the colour-burst that needs to be stable for a good locked chroma. Just above that is the black reference level that also must stay constant to maintain a constant brightness for the entire frame. This will take a bit of experimenting to get right and I imagine may be more complicated than just a resistor.
    Cheers,

  • @Petertronic
    @Petertronic Před 4 lety +199

    Try a 75 ohm resistor between the video and ground, at the input of the circuit?

    • @ovalteen4404
      @ovalteen4404 Před 4 lety +12

      The output impedance of a video circuit must be in series. The TV's input is in parallel to ground, so that its input is halved from your output. This guy's simple passthrough amplifier circuit shows the difference between input and output: www.labguysworld.com/VideoCookBook_002.htm

    • @AMacProOwner
      @AMacProOwner Před 4 lety +5

      @@ovalteen4404 A website hosted since 1997. Thats awesome.

    • @ixamraxi
      @ixamraxi Před 4 lety +7

      @@AMacProOwner And still under construction, according to the bottom of that page. xD

  • @NotTheCIA1961
    @NotTheCIA1961 Před 4 lety +36

    Just wanted to say this, please never change your intro song. It gets me every time.

  • @iespostavid
    @iespostavid Před 4 lety +25

    “Hover Bovver” talks with the Intellivoice module. Adds more humor. Only 4 official voice games were released, but there’s plenty of voice modules around.

    • @ChristopherSobieniak
      @ChristopherSobieniak Před 4 lety +7

      I remember being impressed when I heard it as a child in the 80's when my brother played Space Spartans on our Intellvision! Nice someone went to the trouble to include speech in Hover Bovver!

    • @AnonymousFreakYT
      @AnonymousFreakYT Před 4 lety +6

      There was a fifth official voice game, but it *ALSO* needed the ECS Computer Module - World Series Major League Baseball. A very impressive baseball game for the time, it used real player stats, but they couldn't get the rights to use the names, so the players all have made up names - but with the stats of real players of the early '80s. It's also ridiculously expensive to buy nowadays - I lucked out and got a boxed copy for under $75 a few months ago, usually it's $150+.
      But yeah, lots of ROM releases of era-unreleased voice games, plus many of the new games (like Hover Bovver) support voice. Hover Bovver's voice is great!

    • @Chaos89P
      @Chaos89P Před 4 lety +6

      Hopefully someone makes an AVGN game that uses the module. "MATTEL ELECTRONICS PRESENTS: AY-ASS!" The screen would read "AVGN" or something similar, though.

    • @pitaya4151
      @pitaya4151 Před 4 lety

      @@AnonymousFreakYT Wait, wasn't that the same game a kid tried to sue because of misleading advertising?

    • @AnonymousFreakYT
      @AnonymousFreakYT Před 4 lety

      Pitaya4 Not that I ever heard about.

  • @thickskinnedacedetectivema2761

    Congrats David! You reached 1 mil!

  • @jerrettfarmer
    @jerrettfarmer Před 4 lety +4

    You're videos are always the best friend! Thank you so much! BTW, I always loved the Intellivision controller. The trick is not to treat it as a joypad, but a disk. It's more of a swipe than a press. Also, Defender of the Crown is mind blowing. I would never have imagined that would have been possible. That guy deserves a medal. He must have a made a deal with the Devil.

  • @amiralavi6599
    @amiralavi6599 Před 4 lety +7

    The music at the end was a solid choice!

  • @cjsebes
    @cjsebes Před 4 lety +8

    A lot of my life was spent playing Defender of the Crown on my Amiga 2000.
    Thanks for a fun and very useful mod on that Intelevision. It's absolutely something you can retrofix later and tweak.

  • @Element43
    @Element43 Před 4 lety +19

    I always click on these videos thinking i'm just going to listen to the intro music and move on. Next thing you know its been 3 hours and on a separate tab i'm looking up the cost of a Commodore 64.

  • @BalancedSpirit79
    @BalancedSpirit79 Před 4 lety +7

    This was amazing. The first console I ever played was the Intellivision and it's always great to see that fun system preserved and modernized so it can still be enjoyed. Sub +1 :)

  • @SmaMan
    @SmaMan Před 4 lety +3

    I remember my dad had his original-model Intellivision composite modded by one of his engineering friends. He just brought it over, his friend had the board already made up, and in 5 minutes he'd opened it up, mounted it, drilled the holes, and it works fine to this day.
    That said, I've never opened it up myself to see *how* they did it.

  • @bobbobson4069
    @bobbobson4069 Před 4 lety +2

    Huge congratulations to David, the 8-Bit Guy for getting over a million subscribers! I watch the David's videos because they are so precise about every detail. Fascinating!

  • @loteknomad5032
    @loteknomad5032 Před 4 lety +1

    Man I get as excited for a new 8-bit Guy episode as I used to for Saturday morning shows as a kid. :) Really enjoy your content.

  • @BuckeyeStormsProductions
    @BuckeyeStormsProductions Před 4 lety +31

    You, regarding Defender of the Crown: I never spent much time playing this game...
    Me: I more than made up for your share in my day.

    • @markchapman8253
      @markchapman8253 Před 4 lety +5

      I still have my NES copy.

    • @patsfan4life
      @patsfan4life Před 4 lety +2

      Emperor PalPOUTINE It’s OK because the C 64 Version Was Way better

    • @patsfan4life
      @patsfan4life Před 4 lety +2

      Mark Chapman The worst version of all

    • @BuckeyeStormsProductions
      @BuckeyeStormsProductions Před 4 lety +1

      @Emperor PalPOUTINE I played on the C64. Me, my brother, and a couple of his friends would just play game after game after game.

    • @chrisfreemesser5707
      @chrisfreemesser5707 Před 4 lety +2

      Played DotC a TON back in the day on my Atari ST

  • @casgar49
    @casgar49 Před 4 lety +28

    It's a real pain in the:
    My mind completes: a**
    David: rear

  • @MODDEDbyBACTERIA
    @MODDEDbyBACTERIA Před 4 lety +1

    I researched the composite mod a few years back, the circuit you built was designed as I recall to bring the video signal down a considerable amount in frequency levels to output as composite. It would also explain why the RF is still needed as without that there is no signal to alter. I think I might have still a made-up original board the guy sold for the original Intellivision, not sure but might still have it. I also recall he said the distances between the connections need to be as short as possible. As far as good games are concerned for the system, Tron was a favourite.

  • @Naitrio
    @Naitrio Před 4 lety +1

    Happy Million! Its been fun seeing this channel change and grow since 2013.

  • @jotarandom
    @jotarandom Před 4 lety +5

    "I paused my game to be here"
    But the game still running

  • @Qardo
    @Qardo Před 4 lety +110

    2019: Modding and playing NEW games for an Tellivision on a CRT.
    2029: Modding and playing NEW games for an Tellivision on VR Headset.

    • @aprilnya
      @aprilnya Před 4 lety +21

      its called intellivision not tellivision

    • @Qardo
      @Qardo Před 4 lety +16

      @@aprilnya God damn Auto-Correct >.< And me not proofreading.

    • @Gkokkinakis2
      @Gkokkinakis2 Před 4 lety +4

      9999 playing Television and TV games on holovision or optic vision

    • @SheepUndefined
      @SheepUndefined Před 4 lety +1

      ​@KoivuTheHab Have you not used a phone before? It's not a matter of your brain, it's the fact that the screen keyboards aren't really meant for precision stuff. Like. You know. Typing.

    • @SheepUndefined
      @SheepUndefined Před 4 lety +1

      @KoivuTheHab My guess is you either have a phablet, small fingers, or enough time to spend ten minutes pecking on each message.
      Also, and, much more likely, a low enough self esteem that you feel the need to boost by convincing yourself that you're smarter than other people because of random false equivelents. :D

  • @badnewsbruner
    @badnewsbruner Před 4 lety

    ONE MILLION SUBS!!! You deserve every single one! I love this channel, and have already learned SO much from watching your videos. Hope you have a nice trip out of town! Be safe!

  • @PilchPlays
    @PilchPlays Před 4 lety +15

    The modulator probably introduces some capacitance.

  • @WildkatPhoto
    @WildkatPhoto Před 4 lety +47

    Defender of the Crown would have sold like crazy back in the day

    • @patsfan4life
      @patsfan4life Před 4 lety +4

      NPC #34254334 Response: game was released in 1986

    • @JeremyLevi
      @JeremyLevi Před 4 lety

      Except it probably wouldn't have because they're no doubt leveraging a large amount of ROM space (and probably extra components for bank switching) to make it look that good. Its doubtful even near the end of life of the console that they could have released it without having to charge an exorbitant amount of money for the game compared to normal game prices for the system.

    • @WildkatPhoto
      @WildkatPhoto Před 4 lety

      @@patsfan4life Intellivision was out of production by then.

    • @WildkatPhoto
      @WildkatPhoto Před 4 lety

      @@JeremyLevi So when you consider the Starpath Supercharger cost $69 at the time and it had 6KB of RAM, they likely could have done a 50% upsale and still sold like gang busters.

    • @JeremyLevi
      @JeremyLevi Před 4 lety

      @@WildkatPhoto Sure, but consider the Commodore 64 version (roughly comparable in quality) is over 160KB in size ... assume you're probably looking at something like 64KB-128KB of ROM, minimum, to fit the game. That's not small potatoes, cost wise in '86 (and not even thinkable in '79 when most cartridge games used 2-4KB of ROM).

  • @TheAlphaWoomy
    @TheAlphaWoomy Před 4 lety +55

    Why didn't you wait to figure out the issue with the RF Module before drilling holes into your console? Wouldn't it have been better to just put the wires through the back vents for the time being before drilling holes you cannot undo?
    Not criticizing I'm just wondering why you went this route.

    • @lesdmark
      @lesdmark Před 4 lety +14

      Patience is not a virtue he possessed.

    • @markm0000
      @markm0000 Před 4 lety +6

      It’s good the console isn’t worth a million dollars. He can just get another one that’s broken and replace the case.

    • @Slevin-Kelevra
      @Slevin-Kelevra Před 4 lety +3

      I think he should now just do a better more permenent mounting job and now he has both ways he can now connect his system both ways

    • @animalyze7120
      @animalyze7120 Před 4 lety +9

      Because it's an intellivision II so he's not worried cause he's keeping it for himself. You wouldn't do that to an original Intellivision due to value issues. Though to be honest they don't command high prices even though they were better than Atari's.

    • @DenisNorden
      @DenisNorden Před 4 lety +9

      Gonna say I would have used the TV select switch hole and used one of those 3.5mm jack to composite/sound cables instead...

  • @baseddoggie
    @baseddoggie Před 4 lety +1

    RF modulator being absent is probably causing an increase in voltage in the video circuit, a bunch of appropriate sized resistors on the RF power rail will probably pull the voltage/current down to usable level

  • @lurkerrekrul
    @lurkerrekrul Před 4 lety

    Here's a project idea for you: Build a new Intellivision controller, or maybe an adapter to allow you to use an existing controller.
    This isn't as unreasonable as it sounds. Like the Atari 2600 joystick, there are no electronics inside the controllers, it's all just various connections between the lines of the port. You might have a problem finding a 16-direction joystick, but creating an 8-direction joystick shouldn't be that hard. I don't think too many games actually used all 16 directions anyway.

  • @cikkuujien2
    @cikkuujien2 Před 4 lety +11

    Congrats for the Million!
    One blind suggestion, are there any termination resistors inside the RF modulator which reduce/remove any reflections of the image signal?
    If that is the case, all you'd need is to replicate that termination resistance in the composite circuit get it to remove the reflections.

    • @MrHBSoftware
      @MrHBSoftware Před 4 lety

      those are not reflections...its a lack of proper sync pulses...connecting a scope to the signal and checking would be a 5 minutes job

  • @xTerminatorAndy
    @xTerminatorAndy Před 4 lety +17

    I wanted to sign up to be a Patreon but the only pledge you can do is $10. a month. I can't afford that. Please consider adding lower tiers, such as a $1 tier, and a $5 tier.

    • @und4287
      @und4287 Před 4 lety

      Or modifying the original one for a more passable experience

    • @The8BitGuy
      @The8BitGuy  Před 4 lety

      You can donate any amount you want, just type in the amount. Most of my Patrons donate $1 per month. $10 is a specific level for the CD.

    • @xTerminatorAndy
      @xTerminatorAndy Před 4 lety

      @@The8BitGuy I did try that the GUI kept changing it to $10. Maybe I did something wrong

  • @henryatkinson1479
    @henryatkinson1479 Před 4 lety +1

    Congrats one 1 million, and here is to the next million!

  • @chrismann5766
    @chrismann5766 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for posting this. I've had this mid sitting around waiting to be installed. You motivated me to dig out my I2 and install it. It looks so much better. It also works with the 2600 add on plugged in. Thanks for the motivation and great videos!

  • @sinistermoon
    @sinistermoon Před 4 lety +3

    Hover Bovver actually makes use of the Intellivoice. The voices add to the game's humor. Also, the original Intellivision has a way better controller than the Intellivision II. I have one of the only Intellivision composite mod videos on youtube, so you might have watched mine :) Cool to see some Intellivision love on your channel even though it wasn't your jam back in the day.

    • @dave928
      @dave928 Před rokem

      only problem was the controllers weren't replaceable when the internal touch contacts wore out.

    • @sinistermoon
      @sinistermoon Před rokem

      @@dave928 I never had one wear out. Now days you can just buy parts units for different controllers. Super easy to replace them too.

  • @joesmoe71
    @joesmoe71 Před 4 lety +10

    2:10 - "They're here...."

  • @Ernest9081
    @Ernest9081 Před 4 lety

    Congratulations David for hitting a million of subscribers! I wish you the best for you and your two channels!

  • @AlwaysLimey
    @AlwaysLimey Před 4 lety

    You did a grave disservice to Defender of the Crown. One of the most ground breaking titles in history, and you didn't even stay quiet long enough to hear the iconic opening score.

  • @_zzpza
    @_zzpza Před 4 lety +62

    Impedance mismatch?

    • @TexElec
      @TexElec Před 4 lety +25

      Most certainly, but I wasn't able to work it out. The mod that everyone is using is based on the load the RF modulator is drawing and modifying it is not as trivial as I thought. Long story short, we just don't have the time to work on it more at the moment. :-)

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 Před 4 lety +9

      My first thought was that the modulator needed to present a 75-ohm load on the video signal. But as you say it sounds more like something else. That looks like a standard Astec RF modulator from that era, so opening one up to see what's inside should help. I understand it takes time and effort to do that; don't worry, we're enjoying the journey to get there! ☺👍
      [ Edit ] If this helps, a link to a PDF doc with details:
      console5.com/techwiki/images/2/21/Astec_UM-1285-8.pdf
      Good luck!

    • @jwhite5008
      @jwhite5008 Před 4 lety +5

      @TexElec Sorry for suggesting obvious things, but have you tried just sticking potentiometer between video-in and ground, and another between audio-in and ground and just fumbling with those? If 75R resistor didn't work, try a pot - trust me, it's worth trying.
      You can also try to dig up a datasheet/schematic of a similar RF modulator - they are probably designed to be more or less interchangeable - and see what its inputs are supposed to be. A datasheet for console's videochip (if it exists) could also be of use.
      Measuring current/voltage with a multimeter is useless here, you
      need to get a datasheet and/or just guess the value.
      If you can find nothing, it is probably around 50-75 ohms, so start with a 150 ohm pot and slowly move it down. If nothing is overheating then it's most likely ok - just don't leave it powered for more than a few seconds.
      If possible, hook a scope to the line while moving the pot. I'm sure you'll see what's going on.
      If that didn't work, I'd try a stupid thing - connect the modulator to the video output through another pot and slowly move it up until picture starts deteriorating, then attempt to counter this with pot to ground, and repeat.
      Another thing to try is modify the new amplification circuit - hook up pots instead of resistors and look at the scope, comparing with how it should look like with modulator attached. Probably combine with previous method
      That being said, I still don't understand why remove the thing in the first place? Isn't having two output options better than one?
      I don't think signal quality suffers all that much from an attached RF modulator - it's most likely not that great to begin with, crispy clear consumer TVs did not really exist back then so I doubt anyone put too much thought there.

    • @TexElec
      @TexElec Před 4 lety +2

      @@jwhite5008 I had about 4 of them going, and just could never get it to look 100% correct on the scope. I tried tacking on several loading caps / resistors of various values, etc. The fact is, video signals are fairly picky. I was able to get unstable images, but never really as refined as the original circuit. I'm working on a ton of stuff right now, including the X16 and there are a ton of INTV mods out there just like the one I built on the perf board for $20 or so. I was hoping to replace the modulator as I personally always remove them to prevent interference, but honestly, I think an FPGA->HDMI approach would be better so I don't even know how much more time I would spend here.

    • @tiporari
      @tiporari Před 4 lety +2

      @@TexElec Analog video signals and RF in general feel a bit like voodoo at times don't they? There are fully documented specs and waveforms for NTSC timing out there, but modeling high frequency circuits and working out precise timing with passive components is an unforgiving art. Especially when you consider the host devices are tuned and tweaked as assemblies based on the inductance, capacitance/impedance/reactance of the all the components in the signal chain from the power supply to the casement.
      The most reliable way to do it today is as you suggest, put an ADC at the video chip's output and generate the right signals using modern electronics with some isolation from the dodgy retro circuits.

  • @GreenAppelPie
    @GreenAppelPie Před 4 lety +6

    I wasn’t a fan of the thumb pads either, I ended up getting joystick inserts that replaced the disk, it worked much better.

  • @JoshuaPritt
    @JoshuaPritt Před 4 lety +1

    That intro is still awesome. Never change it!

  • @SeanJTharpe
    @SeanJTharpe Před 4 lety

    Congratulations on the 1 Million subscribers!!! You are awesome!!!

  • @draketungsten74
    @draketungsten74 Před 4 lety +51

    Heh, a lawn mowing simulator, get LGR on the phone.

    • @BertGrink
      @BertGrink Před 4 lety +7

      I don't know if you are familiar with the British Sinclair ZX Spectrum 8-bit home computer, but once, many moons ago, someone wrote a game for that machine called Lawn Mower Simulator, which was so primitive that it sparked an annual Crap Games Competition. Ironically, some of the entries have been surprisingly un-crappy. ;)

    • @draketungsten74
      @draketungsten74 Před 4 lety +8

      @@BertGrink That's awesome.

    • @handsomebrick
      @handsomebrick Před 4 lety +1

      Also the game Defender of the Crown, Clint will enjoy that as well.

    • @vwspeedracer
      @vwspeedracer Před 4 lety +1

      I want to imagine that copies have been mailed to him and they'll be languishing in his PO box until Spring. :D

  • @samarth49
    @samarth49 Před 4 lety +3

    Congratulations on 1Mil!!

  • @pattymeltproductions
    @pattymeltproductions Před 4 lety

    David, when we met and were on the way to the auto show together, you were at just under 400,000 subscribers. I said it was gonna keep going and you were like, "Nahhhh it's slowing down and I don't think very many more people are interested in this kind of stuff." Now look! I knew you'd get there. Congrats on the million.

  • @scottp131
    @scottp131 Před 4 lety

    out of every uploader i'm subscribed to, this channel is the one i'm most stoked about. grats on 1M!!!!!!

  • @trantytel8015
    @trantytel8015 Před 4 lety +6

    1 MLN! Congrats from Poland! :)

  • @amazonbass
    @amazonbass Před 4 lety +11

    References to the ending song?

  • @BertGrink
    @BertGrink Před 4 lety

    Congratulations on reaching the magic ONE MILLION subscribers! (plus a bit ;)

  • @ahmedp800
    @ahmedp800 Před 4 lety

    Congratulations on the 1 Million+ subs!
    You deserve more.

  • @MAYERMAKES
    @MAYERMAKES Před 4 lety +5

    Possibly you just need to terminate the signal. as @Leumas Saugi recommended.
    Removing the rfModulater probably left the reference ground floating

  • @Matando
    @Matando Před 4 lety +3

    "Back to the Future" clip?...... I see what you did there ;)

  • @thedungeondelver
    @thedungeondelver Před 4 lety +2

    My jaw was on the floor with that DotC gameplay - looked absolutely sumptuous! I'd have sold a kidney for a game like that back in the day.

  • @dustNbone604
    @dustNbone604 Před 4 lety

    Good job on the channel, congrats on a million!

  • @f15sim
    @f15sim Před 4 lety +10

    FYI, the "christmas tree bit" is called a step drill. :)

  • @codfish1113
    @codfish1113 Před 4 lety +8

    I see 8-bit Guy, I drop everything and click.

  • @nitroraptor5316
    @nitroraptor5316 Před 4 lety +1

    Congrats on 1M, The8BitGuy!

  • @aadengudiel473
    @aadengudiel473 Před 4 lety

    I am 11 years old and I have watched every single video and I think the 8-bit guy should keep up the good work

  • @MadMetalhead
    @MadMetalhead Před 4 lety +3

    Still the best video intro on youtube

  • @intel386DX
    @intel386DX Před 4 lety +6

    I always keep the RF modulator to use the console with the old TVs and just add AV mod for modern TVs ,so I can choose what to use :)

  • @CraigRodmellMusic
    @CraigRodmellMusic Před 4 lety

    Wake up, check phone for notifications, Ah - new 8-bit Guy video. All else can wait.

  • @heathwellsNZ
    @heathwellsNZ Před 4 lety +4

    Can't say I've ever heard the term "Christmas Tree bit" but I can see where the name comes from.... Those are very very handy though. I call it a "stepper bit" or just "step bit"...

  • @johnchainsman
    @johnchainsman Před 4 lety +5

    The gain gets turned to maximum and it's just amplified noise. It's not the cosmic big bang background noise or radio astronomy cosmic rays or pulsars and supernovae. That noise is at UHF channel 37, from 608 to 614 Megahertz.
    Also important to radio astronomy are 410 MHz and 1.4 GHz, but not the source of this noise. Edit: Well, *some* of it is cosmic big bang background noise. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_(video)

    • @draketungsten74
      @draketungsten74 Před 4 lety +1

      And any that is cosmic background noise/cosmic rays is just a small percentage of the amplified noise.

    • @mrfluffytailthethird
      @mrfluffytailthethird Před 4 lety +2

      Nah it’s just ghost
      There’s documentary’s called poltergeist And the ring that will explain it

    • @vcolinc
      @vcolinc Před 4 lety

      You've said what the source isn't, but please can you say what the source of the noise is and explain why?

    • @johnchainsman
      @johnchainsman Před 4 lety

      Well, *some* of it is cosmic big bang background noise. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_(video)

  • @hernancoronel
    @hernancoronel Před 4 lety +3

    Yes! The 8-Bit Guy! Awesome, thank you!

    • @pvh_facp4001yt
      @pvh_facp4001yt Před 4 lety

      hernanc wait this video was made half an hour ago wtf.

  • @SekGuy
    @SekGuy Před 4 lety

    Great video, as always. Really like the nice presentation of the different connections to the RF-converter!

  • @montegee
    @montegee Před 4 lety +2

    Super happy to see the Intellivision getting some love, especially the II that I had when growing up. I always die a little inside when I see old plastic being cut up, though. Hah

  • @kyugiyeneku1803
    @kyugiyeneku1803 Před 4 lety +8

    This looks like an sync issue probably the rf modulator is responsible for syinc idk

  • @AMPProf
    @AMPProf Před 4 lety +3

    lol... I Swear he said Defender of the Crayon..... *clean ears*... *rewatch* "ohhhhhhh crown" lol

    • @5roundsrapid263
      @5roundsrapid263 Před 4 lety

      In a Southern accent, “crown” does sound like the Midwestern pronunciation of “crayon”. Southerners pronounce “crayon” like “rayon”.

    • @fnjesusfreak
      @fnjesusfreak Před 4 lety +1

      Well, he *is* from Texas. ;p

    • @5roundsrapid263
      @5roundsrapid263 Před 4 lety +1

      Friendly Neighborhood Jesus Freak That’s my point exactly.

  • @NewfieMan98
    @NewfieMan98 Před 4 lety

    Congratulations on one million subscribers David! You really deserve it, your channel is amazing.

  • @sypeiterra7613
    @sypeiterra7613 Před 4 lety

    Congrats on a million!
    Been here for awhile and ive always loved your videos

  • @MontieMongoose
    @MontieMongoose Před 4 lety +3

    I need to do this to my Intellivison.

  • @zephyrox2
    @zephyrox2 Před 4 lety +4

    I liked the background music in this episode!

  • @zrobeast
    @zrobeast Před 4 lety

    Any morning where 8-bit Guy and Binging With Babish both upload a new video is a great morning. :)

  • @troybarnes66
    @troybarnes66 Před 4 lety

    The modulator is almost all ground so think rectification. Also, Christmas tree bit? Unibit brother. Love your channel

  • @roberthayes6329
    @roberthayes6329 Před 4 lety +3

    Rockin' The Million now, 🤘

  • @geovani60624
    @geovani60624 Před 4 lety +7

    "I will use red for video and black for audio" that's the least intuitive thing i've ever seen in this channel

    • @andymouse
      @andymouse Před 4 lety

      Yeah, black for video and red for audio is the obvious choice.

    • @stevethepocket
      @stevethepocket Před 4 lety

      Well, red for video is period correct, at least. The video cable for my VIC-20 is red for video and white for audio. This was before TVs had RCA connectors, mind you, so that would have been for a monitor back then.

    • @geovani60624
      @geovani60624 Před 4 lety

      @@stevethepocket maybe but still... red is much more common as audio out than the opposite, it's way harder to get things backwards and fry one input by accident

  • @mukiex4413
    @mukiex4413 Před 4 lety

    The masking tape trick is AWESOME. Makes it easy to mark drill spots w/o having to clean sharpie afterwards. Using it on an arcade stick.

  • @ringbling420
    @ringbling420 Před 4 lety

    I don't know if this is a recent development but congrats on making 1 million subs! I love your videos they are fun and educational and I know I've learned a few things that have helped me over the last few years.

  • @psygn0sis
    @psygn0sis Před 4 lety +4

    It's weird to see how much time and care you spend restoring and preserving vintage electronics.
    Then you go modding and "destroying" others.

  • @sammontgomery9109
    @sammontgomery9109 Před 4 lety +5

    If you look in the black areas you'll see high crime and fatherless homes.

  • @jotacoro
    @jotacoro Před 4 lety

    Your channel is awesome and I like your simplicity and how you explain what you do.
    Greetings from Argentina! 🇦🇷

  • @Kamakazi_-tp2lb
    @Kamakazi_-tp2lb Před 3 lety +1

    the modulator on the intellivision has parts inside of it that help create the composite signal so it has to stay or you wont get any composite out at all.

  • @RetroAdam
    @RetroAdam Před 4 lety

    1 million! Congrats! Love your channel been watching for years

  • @Capturing-Memories
    @Capturing-Memories Před 4 lety

    The RF modulator has the vertical blanking signal, the signal that tels the TV to start the fields ( 2 fields per frame) from top to bottom.

  • @Evgenii_Fedorovskii
    @Evgenii_Fedorovskii Před 4 lety

    It's always nice to watch how the master works =)
    Thank you for the video!

  • @Celician83
    @Celician83 Před 4 lety +1

    The channel selector circuit may be part of the issue why it will not work without the RF modulator. It's been a long time since I worked with RF modulation, but I specifically remember the frequency changes being an issue.

  • @Ice_Karma
    @Ice_Karma Před 4 lety +1

    Congratulations on reaching one _million_ subscribers! =^.^=

  • @CursedLemon
    @CursedLemon Před 4 lety

    That Dazzle 90 is taking me back to 2005 and capturing Halo 2 gameplay.

  • @philsbbs
    @philsbbs Před 4 lety

    Well Done on reaching the millions sub..... Love the mod...

  • @chocowaffls
    @chocowaffls Před 4 lety

    Congratulations on 1 million subscribers! You deserve it.

  • @peterbrandt7911
    @peterbrandt7911 Před 4 lety

    Congratulations on more than a million subscribers and while I wasn't a huge Intellivision fan either, I admin, that Defender of the Crown look amazing, if you keep in mind what this system is capable of.

  • @theantipope4354
    @theantipope4354 Před 4 lety +1

    The video output circuitry is likely expecting a 50-75 Ohm load for the composite signal. Try putting a 47R-82R resistor between Comp Vid & Ground on the PCB instead of hooking up the RF modulator.

  • @WolfgangMahringer
    @WolfgangMahringer Před 4 lety +1

    As other have said, there is a resistor needed. If you take a look at 5:10 you see that the sync pulse is white, which should be black normally. It seems the colour processor chip somehow determines the polarity of CVBS signal it generates . You need to measure on the modulator how its input is terminated. It could be a pull up resistor too...

  • @IndianaStones1
    @IndianaStones1 Před 4 lety

    Noise, in analog video and television, is a random dot pixel pattern of static displayed when no transmission signal is obtained by the antenna receiver of television sets and other display devices. The random pattern superimposed on the picture, visible as a random flicker of "dots" or "snow", is the result of electronic noise and radiated electromagnetic noise accidentally picked up by the antenna. This effect is most commonly seen with analog TV sets or blank VHS tapes.
    There are many sources of electromagnetic noise which cause the characteristic display patterns of static. Atmospheric sources of noise are the most ubiquitous, and include electromagnetic signals prompted by cosmic microwave background radiation,[1] or more localized radio wave noise from nearby electronic devices.[2]

  • @shawnparker7
    @shawnparker7 Před 4 lety

    Great video, David! Congratulations on 1 Million Subs! You should do something special. Like maybe a Livestream and play some of your favorite Retro games.