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Im sorry malika jaan was the most memorable part of the series idk what u all are on about manishas performance was brilliant
Agreed
It was not independent india flag.please read history. There was charkha not chakra in the middle., in 1931, a seven-member flag committee was established in Karachi to modify the flag and they had given a new design.
Then what about mentioning 15th August? And there was no mention of Quaid-e-Azam Jinnah or Iqbal ir Pakistan. Are you telling me that a few years before independence no one would’ve mentioned Pakistan in Lahore?
I disagree. I think Manisha Koirala was amazing as Mallikajaan. Hers was the strongest performance, and she literally carried the show. Other characters fell flat somehow.
SLB is not known for realistic anything..... Devdas' set looks nothing like a village in Bengal, Gangubai sets are grand and look nothing like the actual Kamathipura, Bajirao Mastani's set looks nothing like the actual Shanivarwada (according to historians Bajirao Peshwa made it a point to keep it modest) I don't think Heeramandi was ever intended to look like the real Heeramandi. I agree, they should have worked on the character development but I have had this complaint with almost all SLB projects post Black.
Yes very rightly pointed out
He’s very grandeur loving director nothing real
I haven't seen the series, but it didn't look that grand to me? More of a drab, grayish touch. Like a dead Lahore, though it is and was anything but.
you have put it all exactly as I would.
Complaint?! When he told you or promised he would make a documentary on heera mandi?!
But they are delicious to watch! I watch them as a guilty pleasure taking off my critic hat!😸!
You guys are very concerned about getting right actors who can speak the urdu or punjabi language . However, you both defended Mahira khan like anything in Maula Jatt, where she completely did a disservice to this punjabi character and language
Make your own Heeramandi guys, stop complaining. Even your actors like Neelum Muneer has no expression. Heeramandi casts were phenomenal
no need to do us vs them! also even though a lot of pakistani actors really do a terrible job 😂i really would not say the casting of heeramandi was good at all. two separate things
How come you both have completely overlooked Richa Chadha as Lajjo? She was the only character who you felt sorry for.
Because this review is not very logical and reasonable. Generally these two are quite reasonable but since bansali used the word lahore , most of the pakistani artist and these critics have a huge problem with this. They forgot to enjoy the series !!
@@amibatth no, the review is logical. The storytelling of the show sucks.
Storytelling is vert weak, but Richa’s acting was fantastic. Her dance performance was mind blowing
lahore was important base for Indian freedom struggle and Jinnah was not the face of freedom movement, the first Indian flag was raised in Lahore during freedom movement by Nehru and a lahori would not take his name???secondly do you even know about Bhagat Sing and how many unites of freedom fighters was secretly operating in Lahore
Too much to expect from them.And yes they don't know about Bhagat Singh,as they have read their own pirated version.
I agree. Just like people who came from India to Pakistan, were campaigning for Pakistan right?! Just like that people living in Lahore would have been campaigning for India? Whats wrong with that? Completely justified
@@MariamLary its much more than that,nobody leave thier land to become a refugee unless they are forced to or unless you are well to do,but very few percentage of people would have the luxery to move to different land and built new home,these entire "campaigning" were for political workers and people with vested interest, no common lay person would want their land ,thier home vanished
What idiocy!! Heeramandi is not a documentary..........uffffffffff people who have not made even a pen are poking fingers at others.......ufffffffffffffff
So true 😂.
It's a review. Hence their opinion.
100% Realistc review….Pakistan is way ahead of in writing, directing, acting for TV series…. You are pissed because all you have is BIG BUDGET nothing else. Bollywood movies are full of crap.
@@lootnlootohhh really???
Why Pakistanis are obsessed with Indian movies ,Indian songs,Indian actors
Pakistani industry should make one movie like this then you Pakistani dare to come and say shit ...
You all have grown up watching Indian movies only ..you will watch and then criticize waah
So true
You don't have any movie who you can show proudly to the world yet dare to come and shit about Indian movies and talent
You guys copies India in your dramas ,awards even shows pattern..
I disagree with Amna. Manisha’s performance was outstanding
But imagine, if Madhuri or Rekha would be as Malikajaan.. How perfect they are in their craft.. We all expect some extra ordinary from SLB..
I beg to disagree. I really found the series great and it gave a beautiful message of how women want liberation like the citizens want liberation from the British. Also the last scene was beautiful and even the song
They failed to understand that is a story about liberation from oppression in the broader sense of the word. Focusing on any religion, culture, city or state in the review is the wrong take in my opinion.
@@AdilAzharKhanexactly..
Respectfully disagreeing with your rather harsh review . High points ( for me as a viewer ) The sets were stunning and so what if SLB has done superb sets before …let’s appreciate the nuanced and exquisite details of This set . The actors and their Urdu pronunciation is for Indian non Urdu speaking audiences ( we couldn’t really tell if it was wanting and we could Comprehend it ) …I believe there were dialogue coaches and the actors tried hard to get it right acc to the interviews they gave . Urdu wasn’t t their first or second language let’s not forget . In an 8 part series every actor cant give brilliant performances…Sonakshi and Aditi , Taha and even Richa Chaddha were fab imo . The music and songs were beautiful….in a web series you will never find A memorable song ….the formula is simply different . The music blended with the aesthetic of the movie v nicely …
The best part for me was the portrayal of strong women ..every one of the female characters …so even if the reviewers feel the story , setting, historical authenticity etc etc aren’t up to the mark….cant deny that the makers of this series have given the audiences so many compelling female characters
Overall it was a fantastic watch …the audience doesn’t pick apart every nuance or fault of any production..it’s all about what you feel when you’re watching and after you have watched it . For me…felt entertained thoroughly and a tad proud that we in India have directors , d o p s , actors , set designers, costume designers , script writers etc etc etc who can deliver an aesthetic and scale of production as this . Well done team Heeramandi 😊
Right 😊
So u guys r disappointed with their urdu,panjabi😂.the same thing happend with me while i watched jo bichar gaye .what a horrible bengali was spoken by wahaj ali.not even 1 word i was able to understand.they should hv simply go for their own language instead of speak in bengali.i was so pissed of his language that i had to stop watching
Massive respect to you for saying this out loud! Bengali language is such a meethi bhasha but was absolutely butchered in Jo Bichar Gaye and I dont know how some bengalis didnt have a problem with it.
Agreed but here there are many other issues related to the depiction of streets, shops and many other things
Omg yesss finally someone said this! Throughout this review the only thing I kept on thinking was how Jo Bichar Gaye, which is apparently a critically acclaimed series had such bad bengali lol. Im a huge admirer of pak dramas but honestly here I would even give Alia’s broken one two words in Bangla in Rocky Rani more credit than team Jo Bichar Gayes lazy attempt of trying to show a bengali character. I dont
Know who didnt have a problem with it but nearly everyone around me who mind you are heavy consumers of pak drama and even are wahaj ali fans, could not sit through even one episode of JBG sadly. Rumi being a bengali boy, fighting for freedom, couldnt even say ‘Joy Bangla’ correctly 😂
@@nasihanadeem6894 yea here only this much pblm they made a big issues.i know wahaj as a actor he did good but the history of Bangladesh also missleaded& Bangladesh is the only country who fought for their language bangla .so it was so disappointment for me .but the same critics was so happy with jo bichar gaye they praised for his good try which is 100% failed.i would just suggest the other cast spoke in urdu in jo bichar gaye then why he need to speak in bengali where he 100% failed he could hv just simply go for urdu just like other cast even if u r fan of him i dont think any Bangali can watch it except his blind fan
Even though Wahaj was coached by bengalis for the drama according to the reels I’ve seen where he mentioned this and shows gratitude to his Bengali fans too who also assisted him in this regard!
Sorry to say completely disagree with Hassan .whats wrong with creative liberty ? And this is pre partition India so Hassan has no right to say they have any claim to Lahore etc
Hira mandi pre partition ma bhi itni hi Thi jitni abhi ha 4 5 gunnah bari karna ki Kya zarorat Thi 😂
so guys...yours is probably the only pak. show on content that I watch...appreciated it! you guys are spot on and pick on significant topics discursively. Now, for the first time, after watching this review of yours for Heeramandi, I have comments / suggestion / feedback for you :
1) yes, it was good you reviewed the full series together! Would not have made sense to review episodes separately.
2) yes, your views are noted, and agreed to a great extent...
3) now the BUT -- your voice and tone may have been a little less critical had you not been in a position where you watch such a series in one go...within 24 hours...and then sat down to review it as well, in that span of time...sorry guys, thora injustice ho gaya hai...
4) series was intense for a full-on 8-episodes' watch in one go. I saw it in 2-parts...and at the end, was moved to go back to check on epi. 2 for story consistency...and felt it quite attractive. Story-telling and characters were strong!
5) why judge the entire cast to be the B-graders in terms of actors...that was very harsh!
6) Amna mentioned this was fantasy-fiction...that is what your overall review missed upon. Along with the name Heeramandi, the sub-title was The Diamond Bazaar...which brings forth the sense of sparkle - chamak - sparkle! It was an exaggerated, out of the world show of dazzle, grandeur in fantasy fiction, OTT platform. Nothing to do with depicting Lahore...and its past...and nothing to do with Pak. dramas...I get it...I get the correlation and comparison to the process of Jackson Heights, but to me, that was unnecessary guys....
7) you ruin it by comparing it with SLB movies...format was different and kudos to him for that!
probably the longest comment I've ever written online...I'll stop here :)
Keep it up!
Well thought out response. Absolutely agree!
the diamond bazaar is actually the literal translation of heeramandi
I'm surprised you didn't mention 'Ustaadji' played by Indaresh Malik. He delivered a great performance.
Hi Hasan & Aamna- just a small correction. You mentioned multiple times during your review that the story is set in 40s but it was actually in the 20s. That’s why it was the Indian flag and no talk about Pakistan. In 20s the main focus was independence and not creation of 2 countries.
Nope ..Quit India movement was mentioned and it was 1942..From Manisha youth to Alam it spans from 1920-45
It wasn't India. It was called the Subcontinent.
Series opens in 1920s when Manisha’s character gives birth to her son. By the time Manisha becomes Huzoor over 20 years have easily passed; we even see her son getting married who looks he’s in his mid 20s
- Hassan
@@luzvez pre 15th Aug 1947 current day India Pakistan and Bangladesh was one country called India not “subcontinent”. Subcontinent word is now used to to de mark a geographical area that is very similar culturally, geographically etc.
@@var.sri1710 still not India. there was no india or Pakistan or bangladesh. It was called Subcontinent.
So according to your logic, India didn't exist as well. It's the story from Subcontinent Mughal era & Pakistan has deep roots to the history, language & culture of that era!
Hi Hassan and Aamna, really was looking forward to your review on heeramandi, really nice review but utterly disappointed by the lack of understanding in comments section..
First and foremost, urdu WAS the language of majority of muslim population in sub-continent at that time, it was the language of nawabs. If they wanted to show a muslim majority area, the attention should have been given to it regardless of the era it depicts.
Secondly, alot of indians saying that because it was pre independance, why mention Jinnah? Just wanted to ask….was Jinnah born after independance and had no role in the politics at that time? If you were to show Lahore and freedom fighters, then either skip all names or take all names? Why did they mention gandhi and nehru ay first place? Just avoid it… or if you were to take names then take Jinnah’s name too.
Lastly, maula jatt is set in an imaginary place in punjab, heeramandi was/is not an imaginary place…
Agree. Specially being a big banner with mulit cast they could have sent people abroad or invite them to give feed back. Some director send crews or the actors to get the actual feeling of the place and culture. There can't be another Umrao Jaan than Rekha
@@anuvaid6457 yes and i think the disappointment is more because it is SLB who is known for his attention to detail. If it was made by someone else i dont think people would have reacted this way!
The reason nehru was mentioned in context of Tajdar who came from vilaayat, just like Nehru. SLB was definitely thinking about this from an artistic angle, not from a political one.
Same reason for the Indian flag. There was no reason to mention Pakistan or Pakistani flag.
Nonetheless, it was a one time good watch
@@kkirti2 FYI Jinnah also came from vilaayat, and was a barrister just like Tajdar who was a lawyer, and Tajdar is shown to be a muslim so it would make way more sense to take Jinnah’s name instead of Nehru, but if SLB was truly thinking of artistic angle, all names could have been avoided and it could strictly remain artistic!
Secondly, you are showing indian flag on 15th Aug in Lahore who became a part of Pakistan a day before on 14th Aug, does this make sense to you for real?!!!
@zeniakhan1095 agree with jinnah point. I didn't know his background. Seems like an oversight or probably wasn't mentioned as jinnah is not looked upon as a freedom fighter in India - SLB knows best what he was thinking.
I don't think the flag was shown in the light of 15 Aug. The timeline was 1920s to 1940s but didn't not reach the point of independence in 1947.
Alamzeb was so disappointing ohmygod the actor who did Tajdar was sooo good the expressions everything he spoke with his eyes but this Sharmin sehgal ohmygod such a disaster like a piece of wood how did slb not say anything like nepotism at its peak
I agree with Aamna's Pov but hasan on other hand was doing a little gatekeeping he forgot it's fictional series...yes it was ok ...one time watch type but around half video Hasan complained as if it was documentary which it wasn't it is a pure fictional story like any other series .
Yeah hasan was taking it personally as if somebody tarnished the image of heeramandi in lahore !!! Nobody knew what heeramandi is outside pakistan. Hasan is like ' how dare you 😂😂
Firstly all slb’s work is hyper stylised. Series is set in 1920s-40 Lahore. There was no Pakistan. They fought for the freedom of india. Bhagat Singh was also from Lahore btw
Jinnah was popular in the Aligarh belt. Lahore ending up in Pakistan and Amritsar ending up in India was the result of a coin toss by the British. No one in those two places had any say so in the matter. Their admiration or lack thereof for Gandhi, Nehru or Jinnah had nothing to do with who they now supposed to revere.
There was no India as well.
They don't know about Bhagat Singh. They call him terrorist.So, what are you trying to teach them? It's a waste of time.
@@luzvez have you ever read or ever heard about a book .. called A Passage to India written by E.M Forster in 1924....the present Indian subcontinent was called India Always ...Ever heard about Colombus .? He wanted to find India ...but reached North America instead.. you cannot change history .. Indian subcontinent was always called India!!
@@neenachandra7968 it was called Indian SUBCONTINENT, not India. Now go argue with a wall.
Secondly.. I have watched this Heeramandi series and all actors have acted exceptionally, especially Manisha Koirala with her Mallikajan role. So, pls don't reveal your hatred here because we take Pakistanis and their intellect for granted and rightly so..
Lol not Hassan saying "I don't mean to be disrespectful....", and "with all due respect.." and proceeding to trash it all! 😂 Love it!
Guys if you both think this serial is so wanting please get one your directors to produce your own version and then let’s truly compare
This is a Netflix serial not a film which is for the big frame
I don’t think both of you are completely unbiased I am sorry respectfully
What would you say about Maula jatt? Which Punjab did it show? Love your content but sorry to say that this is sheer hypocrisy.
Maula jatt was fiction, not attributed to a real place or people
@@aamirafatima4225 exactly! I don’t know why Indians get so butthurt claiming everything as theirs as if India existed back then.
@@aamirafatima4225it was written that this also friction but they can make a little change atleast it look like I am watching sufi and weird urdu performance in all 8 episode. They should speak punjabi.
@@user-sn5yj1zr2q why would they speak Punjabi?
@@AdilAzharKhanBecause it's Lahore which is in Punjab I suppose
Pakistan flag was designed on 11th August 1947 so just 3 days before, so doesn’t make sense to show Pakistan flag tbh.
Further Indian flag was always known to represent the muslim by green colour so I think its fine if they didn’t use Pakistan flag in pre-independence considering film was about early 40s.
do you forget the 1940 famous jalsa of lahore manto park where muslims passed a resolution for a seperate homeland and the park was not far from heeramandi , just 3 streets away .
@@user-qb2yl2wb7k how is that relevant to the flag?
Because there the flag have been seen with chaand taara madam in 1940 jaalsa
It’s coming smell of jealousy… movies is always fiction why you people take seriously on heart .. it’s 1920 story that time no Pakistan…
I agree. They are behaving as if they owned heera mandi in those times. No they didn't!! It was part of hindustan. Hasan's review is political
But this was in fiction. It was a story told about a real place in Lahore.
It was not indian flag...before partition congress flag was d same ...in the centre there was a spinning wheel called charkha .
pre independence Congress ke baare me inko padhaya gya hota tab to kuch pta chlta inko 😂
You people have been to Heeramandi in Lahore and that's why you didn't find it to authentic and thought it to be his weakest project..
But the thing SLB has never been authentic , the movies of him that you gave example of in Bajirao Mastani so many Marathi lapses were there + shanivarvada was nothing like original shanivarvada same with Gangubai Kathiawadi , the Kamathipura set was way more grand and bigger than what actually kamathipura is..
Nor the village in Devdas looked like a Bengali village..
So SLB did what he does in his other projects also it's just that this time it was Lahore so you people noticed it..
SLB has never been authentic to history , atmosphere etc. Just like Jodha Akbar he has been making firey love stories / Love triangles in grand sets..
That's it.
Exactly,,, they r pointing it out bcoz it's set in Lahore,, Moreover SLB never said that he is making a documentary... He made it for entertainment purpose and the story is set in Lahore pre partition era
In maula jatt what rabbish punjabi spoken by mahira even she don’t speak Urdu properly …Manisha done superb job in it… actually Pakistani can’t tolerate heeramandi made by Indian great SLB … bcoz Lahore is part of Pakistan now … they people specially lollywood spreading negative propaganda of heeramandi …it’s a Pre planned
I follow all Indian reviews anmol jamwal quint lallantop film companion .even not a single Indian publication has praised this work of Sanjay Leela bhansali .I m big fan of devdas.abve all the series lack a good story ...
Urdu's entire Grammar is based on Sanskrit/Hindi 😊
Urdu is not a Language in Itself. Its a Combination of Other Languages or a Hybrid Language 😊
85 % of Urdu is Hindi/Sanskrit 😊
15 % of it is Turkish, Farsi and Arabic 😊
I am from Pakistan and you are right bro ... But we also have some original Urdu words.
But mostly it is just hindi language as you said. and some Turkic and Arabic and farsi words ...
Hmm i agree
so? The actors still couldn't pronounce the words properly😂😂😂
If that is so then you are definitely a pro in reading and understanding pure Urdu as it is based on Hindi per you and Ameer Khusro, Ghalib, Meer, Akbar Allah Badi, and other poet's work should be really understandable for you. Urdu is mainly derived from Farsi and Arabic which is why Urdu uses Perso-Arabic script and it makes reading the Quran really easy JFYI. then it borrowed about 25% of words from Turkish, English, Sanskrit, Hindi, and some other languages. Hindi is derived from Sanskrit. Pure Urdu and Pure Hindi are damn different even in listening and hard to understand. However, Easy Urdu (Salees Urdu) does exist and that's what Bollywood uses in Devanagari scripts and promoting URDU in Hindi packaging. For example let's take these common words like Mohabbat, Ulfat, Ishq, and Pyar. Mohabbat is a Persian word, Ulfat and Ishq are Arabic words where as Pyar is a only Hindi word. Mohabbat, Ulfat, and Ishq are not Hindi at all but are included in Urdu. But since it is a STUPID Aim to politically confuse Urdu as Hindi it may be right for many people to recognize them as Hindi but actually, its Urdu that they are listening and learning and damaging real Hindi somehow. Hope it may help you in correcting your percentage.
@@khittaykachoudhary2360 if Bollywood uses Urdu in Devanagari scripts, it does not make it Hindi at all. Urdu does not have SOME Arabic and Farsi words but it is derived mainly from those two languages and blends other languages like Turkish, English, Hindi, Sanskrit, and others. If it has this many Hindi words then you should not be able to read the Quran easily or recognize Arabic words. Khotay khana sa first milay tu yeh patta hoga na!
Sad to see soo much hate sanjay leela bhansali is getting for making heeramandi based in lahore. Hasan is so bitter like many other pakistanis. Nobody knew about heera mandi befire this movie outside pakistan!!!
SLB shouldnt have made this series!! Amnaa was little reasonable in her criticism but hasan is outrightly biased and bitter!! how dare sanjay made this seroes on lahore type of disliking from hasan !! Bichar gaye had a bad depiction of begali laguage. But that was okay with you guys !! I understand it is not one of the best series but you guys are behaving as if it was criminal to make this series. Ushna shah have a problem too.!! Very sad
Seriously
I agree, I am born and raised in walled city, Lahore and personally lived in old colonial era Haveli; this series is amazing and as I said in my separate comment, Hasan needs ' sensitivity training'. There is something called being sensitive in your criticism- you are making a livelihood by ridiculing a piece of art! I call you out Hasan on your insensitive criticism and you should apologize. Thanks.
@talhariaz240 you are spot on. He is criticizing this series as if it was a documentary !! Hasan is very bitter
+1... I am shocked with his comments!... especially his comment - "they made it political" ... as if all SLB does is to think what shld my next move be to piss of politicians and Hassan!
lol😂😂😂
Guys you have been unnecessarily harsh, it was never supposed to be the actual depiction of Lahore ki Heeramandi. It was just an idea based on fantasy and fiction. For your kind information SLB doesnt make documentaries 😂. I think all the cast did a fairly good job except for Sharmeem Saigol and I never noticed any pronunciation mistakes may be they werent that bad to get my attention 🤔. It is a SLB production so dont think it will be close to reality. The only thing is that they shouldnt have brought the revolution thing in the story. It would have been better if they have continued the rivalry and revenge aspect and ended on it instead. Taha Shah as Tajdar was good too as you failed to mention him. Definitely a star in the making. At least this was better than the stupid Ishq Murshid which has no connection what so ever between the scenes and has ended on a stupid note 😂
💯 agree ishq murshid was a total mess don't even know how people watch that crap till last and these people loved that slow illogical boring show like the team has paid them 😂🤷🏻♂️
Still the series is trending at No. 1 in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Saudi Arabia, Oman and at No. 5 in the UK. There is something about the series which the audience wants to watch. Understand your frustrations but this is not a history class.
This is a Regressive Channel
They think they become progressive by keeping a French Name for their Channel 😂
@@MysticSage-hg3jh how are they regressive by pointing out factual errors😂😂😂😂
Hasan is just feeling possessive about Lahore forgetting that it was a part of pre partition India and many present day Indians have Lahori ancestry, hence have claim!! Bad taste review!
He and Amanda are 100% correct in their comments and critic. The producer need to see these Pakistani reviews and think fifty million times before he show any HISTRY movie….
VERY REALISTIC REVIEW…
heeramandi was far better than the dogshit we see on everyday tv. Hassan you should understand that HM is a fictitious and itni creative liberty banti hai. HM if not story but I feel it was performance driven, yes Alamzeb falls short but the rest from Sonakshi to Manisha to Sanjeeda i think they did a fantastic job. You guys were too hard in the review. Flaws hain but itnay nahi k the whole series was bad.
They were hard on for all the right reasons. It's a Sanjay Leela Bansali movie for god sake! you don't expect such mistakes from him. A better research would have made this a great series, beyond the grand sets and a heavy starcast.
Agreed 👍
This! They give seemingly glowing reviews to mediocre Geo and HUM series and nitpick one of the best productions from the subcontinent. I would even challenge HUM, Geo and others to step up and tell the story of Heera Mandi 'authentically' Lahori. We should applaud SLB for shining a light on a the story of the tawaifs and putting Heera Mandi on the mind of a global audience.
Ture but the point is HM isn’t fictitious at all but based on a place that existed. So to chalk it up as oh he did a good job but not meeting the background behind seems lazy l. Especially for a Director who put millions of dollars in the project and comparing it to small time dramas on TV is ridiculous. I actually thought the same things mentioned in this review having just visited lahore the whole set of the series was ridiculous. It seems like a Mahal more then a street
Yesss!!!! So correct
Hey H&A! I watch your show regularly and really look forward to your reviews! But I have a few points on this one - while I agree 1000% with the points about diction and performances - but I feel like wrt the historic POV I feel like you guys reviewed it with a very myopic POV - instead of finding so many faults related to historic facts, you would have enjoyed more if you would kept that aside. SLB sets and production is grand and is barely realistic … it’s just about enjoying the performance and grandiose 😊
Exactly. I don't think anyone expected an authentic Bengali experience when they watched ‘Jo Bichar Gaye’, so why expect Lahori culture to be on full display here?
Poory review main urdu ki ghalatiyan nikaal kar end main Sanjeeda ka naam ghalat bol diya 😭😭 Typical pyaaray Hassan.
I agree about this criticism on heeramandi. As a Sikh from India Punjab with roots in Lahore, it was a massive let down and disappointment.
You were obviously born in Lahore ? Chill man
I sense a ton of jealousy. FYI there was no Pakistan in existence at that time. This is pre independence India. Indian directors are very capable of producing something so grand and exquisite at such a opulent scale. The actresses were gorgeous did a great job their Urdu was just fine. Please digest this
nah urdu war pretty bad
*was
Hi Amna and Hassan . I have always enjoyed your reviews and understanding of certain topics however this by far has been the most dissappointing review I have seen since you two started and I am commenting for the first time because I am so let down.
If you were to watch a show with the thought in mind what the director had earlier said about casting before watching the show then you should have not watched it but if you did plan to watch it - you gotta go in neutral. You can't expect all characters to be portrayed like what they have been portrayed in the past like Umrao-jaan etc. I wonder you guys complain all the time of how there is nothing new , they keep repeating same thing yet when they do try something new - even then it is criticized. Even all courtesans/tawaifs didn't have the same attitude, personalities etc.
Now if you have watched the show : it is mainly made on the concept : Heera Mandi (now- red light district) which was once the famed Shahi Mohalla that was dazzling with culture, courtship and the music and dance, this is where the courtesans lived. Women with financial and social autonomy, who were adept at and respected for classical music, dance, literature, politics etc - They were powerful as hell . Later when British came - it became more of a sex worker type of thing.
I am surprised you think a GIGANTIC DIRECTOR like SLB would be so careless esp if he has been preparing for 20 years.Yes there are flaws and it did get slow in between . There could be improvements for sure but overall it was absolute paisa wasool. A good show is that does not leave you for sometime once you are done with it, leaves an impact and this show definitely does that to you.
Acting wise : please don't bring comparisons. Manisha koraila owned it : her performance was fabulous. Sonakshi since also did her part 100%. Could not imagine anyone else doing her role. Aditi, sangheeta, Tajdar , satto, bhatto, Lajjo, saima , iqbal, ustad ji , Cartwright - they were all amazing in their roles. About Alamzeb : I am not sure - I did see the innocence/stupidity in her eyes and purity though her act , but yeah maybe more emotions and all could have helped. A man (SLB)who has access to any actor in the world maybe could have done better. But please if anyone says that they could have used a prettier Alamzeb than that is horrible. I see all commenting about body, color shaming etc etc but when it comes to this - people forget.
totally agree with what you said
A genuine review
I don't blame them for having a negative opinion, because it's their opinion and they have the right to say what they want. But I'm just really disappointed in their explanation, their general attitude towards SLB and the cast, but also having contradictory opinions that make little sense.
Sunni Punjaabi Pakistani Men Don't Like Strong Independent Decision Making Women 😊
Because it Makes Sunni Punjabi Pakistani Men Insecure 😊
@@MysticSage-hg3jh this is not true at all and quite frankly pretty insulting. Please don’t politicise this discussion. This has nothing to do with ethnicity, nationality, religion etc.
Pakistanis your past history is related with India which was your mother country, yours is a peculiar situation since if you go back in history, you have to deal with India which you do not like. So, understand why the Pakistanis who are nothing but converted Hindus or born to Mughal/Hindus are feeling so much insecure over their history. Have you ever acknowledged the freedom fighters of India who worked hard for its freedom because of which Jinnah got his own country.
we don't feel bad at all😂😂 we're just pointing out factual errors. When will Indians obsession with pakistan end
@@mxhsvn_b7866ohhh lol
Big joke of a century
Whole world knows who is obsessed with whom 😂😂😂
Pls consider the fact that it was set in pre independence era there was no pakistan at that time so how come there will be a pakistani flag
Pakistan came in existence after independence which is 1947
Rewatch what I said
- Hassan
Lekin qarardad 1940 ko manzoor ho gye thi..agar flags nhe the lekin pakistan ka nam to mojud tha to km az km pakistan ka nam le skte the..k pata chalta k azadi ki tehreek chal rhi thi
We no that but even before Lahore was not like this
Reviewing it like a documentary speaks volumes about the calibre of these reviewers...
May I ask both hosts of this show that how qualifiIed are you both to be in a position to review HEERAMANDI? Do you understand classic Urdu and Urdu Tehzeeb. Sanjay Leela Bansali has done a great job in coming up with such a series with granduer. Can Pakistan produce such a grand series . It is so easy to sit in a a beaten down small room and pick other's faults. Stop the cheap gossip and appreciate good work.
Since this is Lahore, it immediately triggered your senses that this isn’t anything close to real. But SLB does this all the time, as someone from Mumbai, Gangubai was awful experience for me it was so outlandish, hadd hoti h yar! I get your points but this was expected from SLB
Hasan, this was before 1947. Minar Pakistan construction started in late 1950s.
Ok yes I stand corrected
- Hassan
Hi hassan Sanjey leela bhansali only wants to sell his series in the name of HEERMANDI !! Thats why he cannot make it as any fictional area ...
Hi hassan Sanjey leela bhansali only wants to sell his series in the name of HEERMANDI !! Thats why he cannot make it as any fictional area ...
It's for indian audience by india director on pre partition india.We dont claim anything
So it shouldn't be on netflix.
So it shouldnot be about our area with Muslim majority even back then
@@hinasiddiqui6011 that was india and people that time were indiam
@@hinasiddiqui6011it was not only your area. There was no seperation before. Anyone traveling from Lahore to Amritsar wouldn't have felt like they're traveling to some other country.
Contrary to popular opinion, I found Heeramandi to be a rather good watch!
Among the performances, my favorites were by Sanjeeda Sheikh, followed by Manisha and Sonakshi, and then Aditi and Ustaad G (don't know the actor's name). However, the portrayal of Alamzeb by Sharmeen was the weakest and most disappointing. Considering the significance of the character, the subpar performance was a big letdown. Maybe if they had cast someone else, the show would've been much better.
Thank you Aamna, for saying everything you said about the Tallafuz because I was really irritated because of the pronunciation of Kh and some Urdu words. Also, you're absolutely right about the Badshahi Masjid part.
Same way we also felt irritated with mahira khans tallafuz in raees.. Sajals in mom.. fawad khan in khoobsurat.. they came to India and still didn’t learn Indian lehza.. heeramandi was never meant to cater Pakistani audiences.. nor was it Pakistani film.. India’s lehza is very different. And they did fine with it.
@@JustJuveeee it's set in lahore so they should have worked on it. Both urdu and punjabi was weak
@@mxhsvn_b7866 even if it's set in lahore it wasn't made for lahore it was made for Indian audience specifically... Same way fawad Khan khoobsurat was made for Indian audie and story was based of Rajasthan.. did he work on marwadi dialect.. come to India and hear out how madwadi speak.. fawad Khan's lehza was nothing but pakistani.. Same with Mahira Khan's raees.. story was based on ahemdabad region..did she learn gujrati dialect.. as a Gujarati Muslim myself her acting was worth of puking.... Before giving Vishesh tipni on Bollywood actors first take a look at lollywood actors.
Ohhh bhai there were no phajjay k paye in pre-partition lahore 🙏
May be ... May be not Because as of my knowledge they are toooo purany
I think SLB took inspiration from Pakeezah for the setting. Even in Pakeezah they show a smaller kotha in relatively narrow street in the beginning of the film. It's only when the ladies move out and get their own place, that they show the grandeur of a castle.
🔹This was Pakistani territory- Pakistanis should make and own their own cultural nuances and stories and show the world how it’s done. It was rightfully belonging to your country and your story to tell
Hence I understand Hassan’s frustration. I can imagine if Pakistani making South Indian territory story it would definitely go wrong 😂
So forgive SLB depiction of Lahore 🙏🏻
Love from 🇮🇳
Thanks for understanding
This comment makes absolutely no sense
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Illogical - according to your logic only Germans can make a movie about the World Wars, Hollywood should have no right to make any movie which is not about US, Harry Potter movies 4-5 were made by Cuaron, a Mexican director. Your comment is as uneducated as SLB is.
Lahore is Indian Territory Brother
You are Mistaken
Muzlims are Just Guests for a Few More Years in Lahore
Worst thing is the Daadi telling her pota to go to Heera Mandi!! That’s a very ma’ayub and miyaar se giri hoi baat. None of the respectable families did that. The idea that Mughal princes went to courtesans to learn aadaab is something different. Those were different women and only for Prince and the women of the house won’t talk about them so openly and didn’t encourage their own sons to go there. It was a dhaka chupa fact. Shareef women did not talk like that and wanted their sons to go for nath utarwai
Ya sb pata hona k liya insaan ka nawab hona jruri h ...
You do not know history. Heeramandi used to be a cultural centre. It's like saying go to Hollywood to learn acting.
Animal was not realistic either ...both heera mandi and animal are from their director's perspective.
animal is not real. Heeramandi is a real place
Im always confused with reviews cux we give dramas like isha murdhid liberty oh its romance when its dogshit fantasy while heeramandi is being torn apart by critics is still what i would consider art rather than a production for milking money its still love letter to those women and artistry of filmmaking no offence
Completely agree with Hassan and Aamna, this was sadly a lost opportunity to make something more relevant and memorable other than just grand sets sadly, and they look like cold sets, the muhalla vibe is completely absent
#Heeramandi 2. No mention of historic places in Lahore such as Shahi mosque or Ravi river. Hera Mandi is next to Shahi mosque
Maybe you guys should have not reviewed it at all or amna should have not forced hassan to watch it in one go because hassan is not in his element nor is amna. The review was not at all done with feelings. I mean bayhadh gets more excitement than this. I disagree 99 percent with the view. But the fact you guys failed to appreciate taha made me so dissatisfied. He is going to be a star people are drooling over him from the first scene. Also he is not a nepotism kid he has worked for a long time dont disregard his struggle if you are misinformed. And as to that slb has done grand productions or the series is forgettable. I am sorry respectfully its nott. This is not a movie its a Netflix series. It was made with 200crs that is close to 500 crs jn pakistan. It will take year ig for pakistan to put that kinda money in a series. Also i am not trying to be witty but even indian producers wont put that kinda money. If Pakistans economy js down
As to not put that kinda money in, consider that Bollywood is in decline as well. And i feel most of your views were offended because it was named heeramandi or the fact that pakistani actors were asked for the role or that the flag and stuff. You watched it as “pakistani” critic and was unable to (human nature) get over the bias and not get offended. It wasn’t a review of a pure critic. And also you failed to mention fardeen khan. Which shows how uninterested you were. Amna criticised alamzebs expression which i agree with but ironically amnas expression were very similar to alamzebs in this review. I just feel when i watch a joh bichar gaye, ehd e wafa, aangan, aur khel khel mein by keeping “indian viewer” spec aside you should do the same when criticising content. Ik repetitive but how can you fail to appreciate taha. I would like to apologise if i have hurt any feelings. Sorry in advance to hassan and amna. Hassan dont block me😂please.
Also also @somethinghaute
Richa chadda was amazing. The basic idea of showing rivalry but also feminism. And the fact that all
Of them were strong women.and as to the tahafuzz and all urdu is a lost language in india. People hardly noticed it. And even if it was. You guys get over the fake pathan accents all the time and appreciate the drama for what it is why not this. And also please please appreciate it was a 8 episode and done dusted drama. No leaving it on a cliff hanger to materialise the investment or trp for which you applaud the people who end the series in 8 episodes in your own nation. And those who dont you whine but still appreciate the art and hassan ends up giving them exemption also.
This is set in early forties, so the freedom struggle was still only about Azaadi not about Pakistan. Secondly it's the Congress flag in the last scenes not the flag of India. It was used extensively by all freedom fighters
"Lahore resolution" was passed on 23rd March 1940, where Minar-e-Pakistan stands today, and the idea of separate country was presented and resolution was passed then, what are you talking about?!!
@@zeniakhan1095it wasn't a prominent demand though creation of Pakistan there was already hindu rastra going on it didn't gain momentum that time.
For color pallette why it was gray n misty dark bcuz it depicts the saddens darkness n grimness associated with heeramandi it has nothinv to do with Lahore n its weather .. Hassan zayda critical hogaye hain .. like amna said it was a good watch but not a great watch n its fine .. they tried its okay Story humari thee hum tou bana nhi sakhte ik mean censor board wont pass it but i am sure Qasim Ali mureed n Samrat khusat can tell a story like this but thats another debate .. accent obviously was a problem with most of the actors n punjabi shouldnt be there in the narrative bcuz people use to go to these ladies A bcuz of Urdu speaking n writing especially .. Lucknowi Urdu should be delivered by the cast members not even the workers
Awesome ….on point review …. Hats off to u guys👏🏻
Extremely biased review. Heera mandi is not flawless but immensely watchable. Except for Alamzeb who’s sub par, rest of the cast has performed well especially Manisha Koirala, Sonakshi, Farida Jalal, Taha Shah, Ustaad ji, Aditi Rao etc.
The lavish sets, intricate costumes, grand picturisation of songs, brilliant confrontational scenes between the lead actors in every episode keep the narrative flowing. The ending fell short though and seemed contrived. But overall it’s a great one time watch and doesn’t deserve the condemnation and unfair dissection of its real and perceived flaws by @somethinghaute.
Let go of prejudices and immerse yourself in SLB’s vision of that era to really connect with and enjoy this series.
Agree, the series has flaws but it's very well made and extremely watchable.. the way they are tearing it apart, is sad and unexpected of Something haute..
Mujhe to lagta hai inke andar gussa hai ki Pakistani actress aur actors ko kyu nhi liya....and aamna mentioned so many time ki Urdu acchi nhi hai and fawad Khan ko hona chahiye tha matlab kya bole inko kuch samajh me hi nhi aata hai 😅😅
Luchnow ka Brothal, wahan ki Prostitutes ko Lahore mai fit karo gay tou yahi suno gaay. No body entertains a Sabotaged history. If bhansali does not fit his Luchnow fantasy in Lahore, you may not heard a word from here.
I don't know if Aamina n Hasan @somethinghaute know but Aditi Rao hydari comes from a Royal family... hence that elegance and poise comes naturally.. but yeah agree the lack of expressions make everything fall flat!!!
Omg Hassan! Why are you picking on political stuff. Why did they show Indian flag ???? Bla bla… it’s INDIA and it’s an Indian movie if they took PK name then you all would have made a bawaal. So pls your review on such things was so not required.
True 👍 😂
They are very insecure people..they only pick faults
Guys, save your time and do watch the movie called 'Manjummel boyz'. It's mind blowing and is an emotional rollercoaster
#6. Fun fact about #Heeramandi. Role of Servant “Saima” is based on famous Pakistani singer Noorjehan who goes to Calcutta and becomes a famous singer.
Was NJ also a servant at a Heeramandi kotha prior to her singing career?
Ohh
@@suneetalva2997Noor Jehan lived in Heera Mandi for few years before moving to Calcutta where she started her singing and acting career. Most of Pakistani film actresses until 2000, were from Heera Mandi.
Did u not mention richa chaddha lajjo character i missed u discussing nd ustadji
I think it was good to be not shown as divided India, that would have caused additional controversies and was not needed to show one more side of rift other than the British. The movie purposes was not that. It was one india and hiramandi together in the end. I really loved hw revolutionary were both hindu muslim together. So though i like most of ur reviews, i hav a different pov here
Hi Hassan and Amna .
I am writing this comment after having watched the entire Heeramandi series.
I think Manisha Koirala did a fantastic job as Mallika Jaan and so did every other actor including the buggy boy Balli (excepting Sharmin Sehgal) .
And commenting over the surgeries of Aditi Rao Hydari was outright disrespectful!
Globally, actors go for cosmetic procedures all the time.
You cannot tone down the efforts put by an actor just because they underwent cosmetic procedures.
And SLB is an indian director showing the story before partition.
Why would he not show the Indian flag?
You are calling SLB biased.
Arenot you being biased in your review?
Also, talking about having or not having a urdu teacher on the set.
Was there not any Punjabi coach on the set of Maula Jatt? Because there were flaws too.
Lots of love and respect.
Watching the video, haven’t finished. Did anyone notice the Urdu newspaper Fareedan was holding with broken up Urdu letters not actual Urdu
Who made them critics? I'm seriously asking this question.
their capabilites. Just watch the review and look at the great job they did
@@mxhsvn_b7866 you call this a review ? And these people critics ? Is this the level of film critics in Pakistan ?
They had done great job watch their videos then comment
@@nitinarya2816 why don't you try pointing out what they said wrong?
THE WORST REVIEW
I am not sure I get the point raised on the Flag... It was one India in the year this series is played...much before the partition... one country, one flag then... so, they will obviously show the flag that was the nations flag then... It was not 1947 or 1948 but way before that (cant recollect the year but they did state it)... correct me if I am wrong...
Please get your facts straight. The struggle for an independent had started and was full swing in the 40's so any independence or resistence movement depicted in pre partition Lahore should show a Pakistani flag as it was pretty much there
I missed Pakistan. Please read as Independent Pakistan or Muslim state
@@beenishsyed4665 ...First of all, in the story, the fight by the heeramandi women is about freedom fighting and NOT partition!... They are as connected to Lahore as to Lucknow...They are fighting Britishers & NOT their fellow Indians...
Second, the Pakistan flag was adopted on 11th Aug 1947... Hence, the official flag until the Independence day before the partition is Indian Flag! If you have any other facts, please point us to that...My facts are known across the world!!!
Lahore was part of India and any true citizen did not want a partition than!...Sure the Divide and Rule policy clicked very well for britishers and they were successful in partitioning us in 1947 but showing a mindset of partition by showing any flag thats NOT official, in a show, is essentially conceding to the fact that we agree with the Britishers to divide and rule us or leave us split!...
But hassan i think if nawabs were visiting heeramandi , then i think those places would have been grand not to the extent what is shown in series but it would have been grand . And i do agree plot was ridiculous . What they did in the last was stupid . But i think hassan it was pre independence there was no pakistan , this partition thing started happening in the last years of independence .
What nonsense! Independence movement is about partition! Please read history! Partition movement never started from Lahore but Bengal! Partition of India started with Partition of Bengal.
Lahore is Heeramandi 😊
And Heeramandi is Lahore 😊
Hi Hasan, Minar e Pakistan was built in 1960s
Hey! I didn’t mind the grand depiction of heeramandi since it was set in the 1920’s. The story on the other hand was next to nothing. It was a terrible watch hated it
Hasan and Amna. Your reviews are getting worse by the day
Stick on watching and praising shows like Tera Bin
You missed out on Ustadji. Played by Indresh Malik, he was brilliant
Respectfully, please stop fitting rung fuq hona in everything
They do tend to overdo certain things…gets really redundant when it’s done constantly…
the freedom movement shown is not about Lahore it was about pre independence period where there was no Pakistan. Heeramandi isn't a
great series and lacks a lot in story and also acting in few characters.
But there was Lahore at that time, too, whether Pakistan existed or not. So how is it not about Lahore! Heeramandi's located in Lahore for always.
Do you even know what you’re saying? Did you just write the series is “NOT” about Lahore?
- Hassan
So according to your logic, India didn't exist as well. It's the story from Subcontinent Mughal era & Pakistan has deep roots to the history, language & culture of that era!
You mean Lahore didn’t exist before partition? 😂
@@samreenkaur027 Heeramandi is about lahore. but the independence movement was for a free country. people were fighting for one free country not for a partition.
I find it odd that everybody is making it historical incorrect . It’s not a historical movie. It is a show. He never said he is making a historically accurate show. He is making an experience. The thing is till now nobody bothered to make a movie on heeramandi. Now he makes it and everybody makes a noise.
Why have completely skipped Sanjeeda's performance?
Height of jealousy, shows in Hassan’s tone. Heera Mandi's history goes back to the 17th Century. It was first called the 'Shahi Mohallah'. Then changed to a Heera Mandi and it was a part of India. It was there the same Heera Mandi when Maharaja Ranjit Singh was the king of Lahore. Maharaja Ranjit Singh was also smitten by the beauty of one dancer of Heera Mandi, named Moran Sarkar. He married to Moran Sarkar. Shortly after, he was summoned to Amritsar before the Akal Takht, and Akali Phula Singh denounced him in the open assembly for violating the social rules of the Khalsa. Phula Singh declared that Maharaja Ranjit Singh must be given one hundred lashes on his bare back. The story is back from there . Then came British after Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s death. The last empire of Lahore, Punjab was a Sikh, and kingdom was of Sikhs. Lahore was the city of Hindu -businessmen before partition
The time period of story had no Pakistan that time. So why are all Pakistanis creating hoo ha on this series.
The series has a great story and beautifully presented. It is running as in the top ten of Netflix in 44 countries.Bhai bolo apney producers aur directors ko ke Sanjay Leela Bhansali nahi theek series bana saka to aap bana lo aur lagyo Sanjay Leela Bhansali Jitna paisa. The series has beautiful real gold Jewellery worn by the main cast. So enjoy the beautiful sets, beautifully specially designed real jewelry by Shri Paramani Jewelers for the series. Jab Pakistan waley Heera Mandi banayenge tab compare karengey who made the best movie or the series. Till then chill and enjoy the series.
You arevtelling them sikh history these people are least interested in. They don't even mention. Maharaja ranjit singh anywhere anymore. Why waste time dear
@@amibatth, because the whole of Pakistan is thinking the history of Lahore/ Heeramandi is only for Pakistanis. The history before 1947 belongs to India.
So true
They are jealous people ..They should make a movie like this and then do comment
They haven't made a single movie who can be enjoyed and watched interestingly yet they come and dare to talk shit ...
SLB has made other big projects he doesn't need their reviews and opinion. They're just trying to show faults and lackness of Heeramandi
..They are reviewing Indian cinema at their platform ..They do know their worth and ours also..
Great review
Hi Amna and Hassan I was watching your video you said that there should be written warnings about killings and violence in dramas I agree with you but sadly most of our dramas are ignoring it , I saw in one episode of drama Fana in very small writing in English “domestic violence is forbidden “ it was a good move but it should be in Urdu to make it understandable for everyone please could you discuss it in your next video thank you .
Hi Hasan sir and Aamna ma'am , your reviews are really great, its difficult these days to find critics who is actually critically evaluating a show based on fact and not with the aim of pleasing people in power in the industry. Keep going 😊. I don't know the reasons, but the fact of matter is Bollywood is not making movies and shows based on reality. I feel South Indian industry is performing much better.
Also there's a scene where Manisha koiralas character says, her nawab ham Lahore ki tawaifon ko salam thokta hay... Salam thokna is a very Bombay type language. Considered ghair mohazib and ghair shaista in urdu speakers
Just ended heeramandi and loved it didn't liked the love story it was poorly knitted but the rivalry was on point and comment section made me skip ur review coz none of our directors could ever make anything as big and royal like this so mic drop
You are telling this because you are from that place...and you are forgetting this is film
why have you guys stopped doing the side by side video? You started it for a while months ago but now you dont do it. I want to see both your reactions at the same time
Good discussion 👌👌
Listen to your own Pakistani journalist Syed Muzzamil Shah speak about heeramandi before you comment about Sanjay leela bansali
Lahore became a part of Pakistan on 17th Aug 1947, after India got independence.
You people need to understand, the movie depicting the 40s era of Lahore, India. Don't take it personal.
Guys it doesn’t matter who makes it, what matters is who makes it GREAT.
I really want a review for "Queen of Tears" on something haute...
Yesssssssss
Agreed 💯 amina about dance performances.. they were ok... At some points i was thinking wth are they doing only moving hands and ghomofing their dresses... I don't know much about dances but i hv watched slb's dewani etc something was missing
Mujhe to Cartwright achcha laga 😃 English man hone ke baad bhi uska talaffuz to sahi tha
😂 shabashe