Dale Jr. Downloads on NASCAR's Next Gen Car After Test at Bowman Gray
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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2021
- Dale Jr. kept his thoughts about his recent test of the NASCAR Next Gen car at North Carolina's Bowman Gray Stadium to himself, wanting to save his thoughts for this podcast. He shares the experience and his concerns for the new Cup machine moving forward. He also spikes on Clint Bowyer's claim of being the fastest driver at the test.
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Dale Jr has reached the mature wiser man I always knew he would be. What a joy it’s been being a fan as we grew up . Better wiser
It sure would be fun to hear you AND Tony talk together about your experiences with the new car. :)
Jr is a national treasure for honesty. I love it. And so do real NASCAR fans.
I like the old Nascar back in Winston cup days and points
Ionno, I know 2 fake fans who like him too.
EXACTLY ! I’ve tried stating this sediment, but WORDS ran long, lol.
Well said…
He and Betty White both need to be protected!
We can trust Junior and his views on the new car
Agreed. I was never a Jr. fan when he was driving nor did I dislike him, I was just neutral. However, I'm a huge fan of him as a person and how he's handled his career since he retired. He is definitely not the type to lie for NASCAR or anyone else. That's why people like me want to see him play a much larger role in the decisions NASCAR makes.
@@JSchaffer214 So make sure you vote Dale Jr in the next Nascar Election.
@@catamount21 😆
I'm so happy ya'll do this stuff. You give us that taste of the inside and I think I speak for most the other short track local hacks that it's awesome to see it's exactly the same...lol. So much fun listen to you guys!!!
That was an absolutely awesome video. Thanks for the information and for all the hard work being put into learning about the car so you can better describe it to us. Really means a lot to know what we are watching. And I cracking up over the end! Lol! Leave it to Clint!
It's so great to hear the very descriptive nature that he noticed by driving the new generation car! He has gone over how things have changed from 80's-90's2000's it will be a learning experience for all the drivers
The reason why I like his Podcast: He's usually speaking facts
He could’ve easily used his relationship with NASCAR to become a shill, but I think he realized that NASCAR going after an Earnhardt for being honest would be suicide for the sport, and has taken full advantage of that. That’s also why I like having him in the booth.
that is why we love bowyer in the booth, a little Talladega nights and some real driver talk. you guys really work well together
Clint Bowyer is hilarious, he's a national treasure in NASCAR!
A National Treasure? I wouldn't go that far. A perennial backmarker, Maybe.
So Clint can be fastest it'll have to be him and Mikey next time. Actually Mikey might out do him...
Not really. He is a foul mouthed, spoon fed, work for nothing pos to be honest!
@@IceTrey98c You sound like a peach yourself
Good analysis Dale...this was interesting. I had a 1971 Corvette that handled like it was on rails (as most Vettes do) and I found out one day where the limit was as I spun out. It was sticking and turning just fine...until it wasn't. I am just an average guy but I used to be able to tell in a car, or when I raced go karts, when I was getting close to the edge in a turn and then I would back off. Not with that Vette. Zero warning, at least to my senses. Luckily all I did was spin and didn't hit anything. Never pushed it much after that.
Yep, been there, done that...and was hoping that mid engine design Vette would of came out 40 years ago because of it ...luckily most of my Snap Spins were low speed ones, but they still happened, and the torch red color, wasn't as red as on my face...I too, just slowed down more on the corners, for everyone's safety....It is like driving on ice when it happens, and it's a sunny day on dry pavement....go figure.
Thanks for sharing your perspective of what drivers will say about the car. As Mike said, drivers will have to learn were the new edge is. As a fan this gives me a sense of the challenges it takes to drive the car to that edge.
@NolanEP Kyle Busch too
the way Jr. demanded to know what Bowyer ran made him sound like something his Daddy would say.
This is very well produced, much appreciated!
Is there anyone better to explain nascar stuff than dale or the history of the sport. DMM you have a great team put together I always enjoy the content, the guest you have and as always love Dales perspective on our great sport.
I'm of the firm opinion that Dale Jr is probably the best analyst and commentator on NASCAR racing that we could ever hope to have in the modern era. Ned Jarret was the best for his era, but Dale Jr. is more informative than anyone else in presenting the mechanics of how a driver does his job and gives us the details on how that process happens.
gobble the whole thing down.
Hi Jr… Good too see y’all again…. Thanks for the input very interesting more going on there than I was expecting…. Lol
Enjoyed the detailed info that Dale Jr. gave about the new car. Bowyer is great. Sucks that he is no longer active as a driver but at least he is still around in the sport.
In the 1990 Pepsi 400, I believe you can hear Bill Elliott talk about that very thing with the Bias Ply tire vs. the Radial
Jr. gives such an honest and experienced evaluation. NASCAR should listen to this man.
Man, that's awesome. Bowman gray is on another level. All I want is to go watch them test the next gen. at my home dirt track and they won't let me. 👊🤣
Btw, the steering lock and the temperatures are issues that HAVE to be addressed.
Love all your shows Jr especially lost speedways Keep up the great work
Im from NewZealand and love this podcast.
Great job! I’m also curious to see what different cars will do on different tracks since there is so much difference in the bodies now. So see if you can drive the Ford and Toyota.
The look the guys have watching Dale explain, (MANSPLAIN) this new car and how he breaks everything down is what makes this Show special. You can’t fake interest, these guys are glued to his breakdown like every true race fan.
JR. does a great job explaining how the physics of how the car works. Makes it easier for us the fans understand.
You know, taking the cars to the drag strip at Charlotte to determine the starting order would be different.
Here's a thought. Often times I see people wanting less on throttle/ full throttle time around tracks. People like me would likely rather see these drivers struggle to put the power down, pedaling their cars and fighting for traction. Of course, there's a sweet spot with this where both the speed and battles are good but anyway, In my mind that equates to more exciting racing. At least to an extent. Do we really need wider tires and more grip?
Well, I dunno.. Maybe that Sweet spot will be smaller than we expect? With more grip comes more wear...and subsequent Reliance on it. Over all, Id wager that as the field adjusts to the wider tire and harder braking, the effects for the fans wont change much. As for the drivers and fans, There will certainly be some exciting races with all the changes but, as the drivers settle in they will find weaknesses and benefits they can exploit Id say, over the season the results will be in and then effect the next seasons adjustments to the car and drivers alike.. Kinda like the "Car of Tomorrow" it will sink, swim or be adopted into future designs to better fit competition and performance on both the safety and Drivability. If it gets too boring, Someone will ax the program.
@@redneckhippiefreak yeah man, thanks for the input. I'm sure things will adapt and the racing will be good. Whichever way this goes, I'm excited to see it.
I’m wondering what is going to happen when the front of the new car hits the diffuser of another car. Is the diffuser metal? If so, that won’t be good for the car hitting it. If it is not metal, then I worry about the diffuser and the ability of that car to finish a race, especially at faster tracks.
When Dale just start to mention why the steering was not full like in the current cup car, I was just thinking about the wider tire, larger wheel, and the suspension had to play a factor in why the car was not allowing that full steering. But, Dale explained it perfectly. The last part of the video is a typical driver. Love it!!
Yes if you keep the inner fender the same dimensions as the Gen 6 car.
Interesting hearing about the heat in the cars . Has any thought been given to shield the interior from heat with material like that used on the old space shuttles from re-entry heat. Also is there a way to make a flow through interior. Ducting outside air with exit vents through the rear window ?
That second option could be the one that works, first is way butt ass expensive.
They added ducting in the windshields of several cars at the Charlotte Next Gen Roval test last month. Looks like it will be the chosen solution as material for shielding heat would be super expensive. They may be able to use some material but not enough.
Does anyone that knows their NASCAR iRacing better than me know if the steering lock situation is reflected in the next gen sim cars?
I'm curious how the crew chiefs will adapt to the new cars. It's a completely different suspension... I'm sure they're doing their homework.
Steering very important. Enjoyed hearing Dale's take on car.
Matthew, LOVE THAT HAT!!!! Dirt Late Models are THE BEST! It's been great seeing Kyle Larsen in the Rumley car the past couple seasons.
NASCAR has run on 1/4 mile track, actually shorter...Islip Speedway was a .2-mile (320-meter) oval race track in Islip, New York which was open from 1947 until 1984. It is the smallest track to host NASCAR's Grand National Series, from 1964 to 1971.
I wish Dale Jr. was still in some NASCAR games, he is my favorite racer
Would be nice to get the next part of DW!
Great content thanks for sharing
I would very much like to hear a discussion on stage racing and that fans want one winner at end of race. I feel it will bring the popularity back to its glory days and will create more hero’s and competition.
Get Tony to have a go in the next gen car at Eldora, I reacons it would go well on the dirt, with the independent suspension, can't wait for Bristol dirt next year.
I doubt NASCAR wants to do anything with Eldora right now considering they dropped it in favor of Knoxville and Bristol Dirt, but yeah Stewart driving it in the dirt would still be exciting regardless
@@Twinspinner it wasn't NASCAR's decision to drop it you can thank Tony himself he ripped up the contract renewal because he was pissed about bristol dirt.
@@Twinspinner I just thought it would be a easy test since he owns the place. That's all
Dale JR, didn’t the C5 IMSA Corvette you raced have big brakes, IRS, and low profile tires?!?
How could you possibly compare that to a stock car on a 0.5 mile oval.
I guess Jr forgot about those days.Trans Am has been running those big brakes and tires for years.
@@StripeGurger even shorter than that actually, bowman gray is 1/4 mile
@@MrJohansen Absolutely it is. My mistake.
Good insight on the steering. Wonder how that will effect pit stops if any. Just thinking out loud...(With my fingers 😆)
Great info Dale Jr!
The steel belted tires increase spring ratings at each wheel, Unlike bias ply tire that flex and change diameter depending on tire pressure radials will change very little. Talk to a local track Super/Street stock driver and they can tell you a bunch of new info.
I can't wait to see the next-gen car
I fully understand the concerns about the maximum steering angle of the new car vs the current unit and the low profile tires and how they affect the ability of the driver to sense the start of the "yaw" or rotation of the car. When the California Highway Patrol bought the 1991 Camaro RS for pursuit duties, the EVOC staff at the CHP academy recommended to the CHP commissioner that officers assigned to patrol in the RS travel to the academy for a 3 day course with emphasis on high speed turning and road course duties. I was one of the division RS training instructors in Southern California. I was responsible for introducing a small number of CHP officers to the handling differences of the RS compared to the regular production Ford Crown Victoria and Chevrolet Caprice police packages.
Where can I find full podcasts?
Ya with dale's ability to understand the mechanic stuff about cars and Kelly's amazing mind its know wonder why they finished 123
What do the modifieds run at Bowman Gray? I think that would be a great yardstick to measure the next gen car against.
That would be like comparing apples to oranges I believe. The modifieds are a lot lighter and set up to go on smaller tracks
12.965 is the modified record, held by Tim Brown I think.
I wonder if the low profile tires and lack of steering could introduce a sharkfin to the car for stability when it starts to go
ouuu and a lazer!! but nah. lets keep em close to stock
I can’t even imagine how proud SR. is in WINSTON CUP HEAVEN,of JR’s maturity and respect for what once was the greatest sport on the planet. Just my opinion. NASCAR WINSTON CUP!!!!!!!! Back in the day.
That steering stop is going to make things interesting.can these wheel guys still save it
Honestly, it sounds like the Next Gen car is going to be great. Will it take getting used to? Of course, how could it not. Much of the racing world writ large has been running on 18" wheels & tires for ages now, and you learn how they talk. If you were to bolt 15" wheels & tires onto IMSA GT sports cars, the drivers would be commenting on how uncontrollable the cars are. Although I'm a huge motorsports fan, I haven't followed NASCAR closely since I was a kid in the early '90s. I'm very excited in the Next Gen car, and it makes me interested in the series again. Just wish NASCAR would ditch all the stages and playoff crap and simply run a damn race from green to checker the old school way.
Can't wait to see the new cars on a road course 🤓🤓
@@kcjive definitely. there were 7 road course races this year, and a lot of people in the sport have said they expect nascar to add a few more in the coming years. By 2024 we could easily have 9 on the schedule, but that's just speculation.
@@MrJohansen especially with the chicago street coarse that dropped on iracing i think that’s where the sports headed
@@MrJohansen possibly overseas races too
Interesting perspective
Get Alex Bowman on the show!! Great show as always
Good for nascar on bringing these veterans in and getting their opinions. wisdom gained from life experience is the only wisdom.
So it basically it drives like my 2009 Colorado that has wider tires sometimes it rubs when turning sharper turns.
Funny how Dale explaining the tyre bahavior feels like how I feel it on iRacing, on rfactor 2, even an old gen like Automobilista 1, I can feel the tyre sliding, on iracing the car just snaps
Some excellent points about the car.
Hey dale, if offered the chance would you drive a mod or sportsman/late model at BGS for a night?
What yr and model is the car on his shirt? Early 70's monte?
Great stories 👍
As far as the steering lock, is it even possible to have a computer controlled lock where at low speed you can turn it more but at higher speeds it gets restricted?
Most likely the issue is clearance with the bigger wheel and tire. Their probably gonna be sol unless nascar allows widening the track width or something.
@@fsca72 I had not considered that, thank you for your reply.
Why can't they keep the original width on the front tires only?
Knowledge is power. Knowing what the new car is both capable of, and what its faults are, is of PRIME IMPORTANCE to both a broadcaster AND a potential Cup car owner…(wink, wink…)
They need to invite these guys back to test on a bigger track.
Also, where the heck are the pits at Bowman Gray and how does that work??
Careful Dale, you have to share the booth with Clint.
Listening to DJ it sounds like they need to source the steering racks from the companies that make them for Formula Drift. The steering angle they get is crazy, it gets near 90°
Angle kits in drift cars have zero to do with steering rack, it’s modified knuckles and lower control arms along with extended outer tie rods that make that happen, it throws off camber and caster so much in a way that it was be horrible for road racing and especially oval. Just look up a “wisefab angle kit”
Bristol & Dover are going to be fun AF to watch with this car
Man I miss seeing Dale Jr. run Charlotte and Darlington.
RE Next Gen - I wonder how much influence Australia's V8 Supercar series had on this. Additionally, the Aussies run closed cockpits with coolsuits. Those cars are brutal when it comes to interior temps so mandating coolsuits should absolutely be a thing a for NASCAR.
My biggest concern is that more grip, better braking and better traction will eliminate the Chances to overtake on the short tracks and road courses.
Love this track!
Man that steering issue sounds like a real problem, especially in emergency situations. I guess we will see….👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
yes like NASCAR wants spin outs and barrel bolls for showing on highlight reals when advertising the next race.
It was great to see you Ina race car again. Were did your nick name June Bug come from?
NASCAR is supposed to be a STOCK CAR racing body. The last time any cars at a NASCAR event were actually stock cars was in the early 1970s. What you see today are tube frames with fiberglass bodies and engines that you cannot get at a dealership. The "races" are little more than a parade until the final few laps. I prefer going to my local short track where there is lots of action and where admission is $10, not $300.
hate to tell you but the 70s were even worse. half the cars didnt finish the race and most of the time the winner was the only car on the lead lap.
It's funny that they were running as fast as the 4 cylinders at BGS.
I love the fact it’s gonna be a IRS suspension. I drift and having IRS is so much better then solid axle. I can imagine drivers will find a liking once used too it.
It’s nicer but I definitely think they should stay solid axle, for the difficulty and nostalgia. Same reason I believe they should stay 5lug
Why the hell are you drifting with irs? And what does it have to do with nascar
150 degrees is similar to leaving your child or pet in the car in the summer with the windows cracked! Gotta bring that temp down for sure! I had know idea the temps got that high! Also, JR. Said he wants to try the Chevy on different tracks, why not try all the makes? Test the Ford and Toyota too…would be interesting to hear his feedback between the brands, if any.
That's closer to leaving a car in the sun with the windows closed, I think. Horrendously unhealthy for the drivers.
The only difference in all the different brands is the engine, and they'll all be very similar to one another,
Surprised he didn't mention his time in the corvettes when he brought up IRS and low profile tire. Not something he experienced MUCH, but has experienced
The turning ratio will be an issue in some of the pits.
Nice Mel Tillus impression JR
Can't wait to see this car run on a road course in the rain.
The stiffer the sidewall on the tire becomes the more difficult it is to judge grip limits..
It’s more fun listening to this podcast than watching the new race rule-set.
Wouldn't leaving the passenger window out fix the heat problem?
They already leave the side window off at a few short tracks. They need to find how to direct more usable fresh air onto the driver. The side windows on this new car are just slightly smaller than the current generation of Cup cars…
I honestly like the new car. It kinda reminds me of the v8 super cars down under. I love that they look a lot more like the road cars then previous years.
nascar desperately needs these cars to actually look like the manufacturers cars again.
@@soulfly3438 I agree. It's been decades since "stock"cars have looked like the actual street car they are representing. Nascar used to be one of my favorite sports to follow but I can't even tell you who won the Championship the last few years. I'm excited to see these new cars hitting the track and I will be watching when they finally start racing them.
Dale drive the Corvette at Daytona 24 Hours and I would expect the tires, brakes and suspension to be similar to next year's Cup car. The Cup car has more HP than the IMSA car.
Real question....Why would they design the Next Gen with less steer? Not account for steering needs in tighter spaces? I'm gonna guess something to do with money but I really wanna know.
😍😍 Good to see those skeleton gloves!
As I have shared with many a driver... Just remain under complete control up until the point of impact! They'll be fine..
gen4 car (car they last used in 2007) was the best NASCAR race car. Things were better during that era (Late 80s-2007).
And the new cats steering limit will be hard to correct sideways cars on dirt
Really interesting feedback I'm so glad you had the opportunity to drive NextGen,because you definitely described exactly to the tee,the challenges that drivers are gonna probably experience,and you definitely need to test it at a bigger track Bowman is definitely small,can't wait for more insight❣🥰
I was wondering how he had a half a second on you at that small of a place, a mile and half track, maybe but not at BGS..
First set of full pit stops should be interesting!
It's got way less horsepower then last gen is also why the wheels aren't spinning. Man I appreciate Jr, More testing will be sick! I love going to Bowman Grey too btw, good racing and great fights!
Aaron Rose, horsepower differences are not much different. Gen-7, the HP is 550 for short tracks and 675-700 hp for the longer high-speed tracks. Gen-7 cars have near 2" wider tires and 18" low profile. Gen-6 cars used 15" tires and were near 2" less width.
@@sergeantmasson3669 appreciate the info, I'm interested to see how it goes
For tracks like this they ran 670 hp like at the roval test. The lap times though were a little faster at the roval cause the IRS and brakes and such on the new car make it more efficient
@@sergeantmasson3669 550 hp for big tracks and 670 hp for short tracks and road courses
@@ty50bmg11 550 hp for restrictor plate tracks. 670 hp for all other tracks.
Finally a good looking nascar again. The steering could be managed by changing the gear box gearing.
the single lug nut wheel hurts a little bit, the aero 59 and steelie style are so clean
I think it may be more limited by the wider tyre. Can't get as much lock as they'd rub on the inner guard and or front quarters
its not a steering box anymore. its a rack and pinion. no way to adjust the steering gear