2024 F1 HUNGARIAN GP race analysis by Peter Windsor
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- A superb McLaren-Mercedes one-two finish in Hungary was coloured by controversy when Lando Norris was asked to move over for his team-mate, Oscar Piastri, thereby enabling Piastri to become the first Australian to win since Daniel Ricciardo in 2021. Peter in this video offers his views on this decision - and on the fireworks that surrounded Max Verstappen's fragmented day: Max gave P2 back to Lando after a first-lap skirmish - and then a long first stint left him playing catch-up for the minor places held by Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton and Ferrari's Charles Leclerc. Sir Lewis eventually finished third, Leclerc fourth and Verstappen (after colliding with Hamilton) a seething fifth.
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Asserting that Oscar didn’t overtake cleanly at the start is wild.
Literally any other team: lead car gets dibs on pit stops first.
McLaren: we prefer the unnecessary drama.
McLaren did it to guarantee a one-two. Nothing is guaranteed, but barring a flag it was only logical. Max had a tough go at overtaking Lewis. If Lando had been undercut by Lewis and Max, we'd be talking about something else. I don't think McLaren deserves any blame. Lando agreed to the strategy. Now is not the time to whinge about the outcome. Lol
@@ToralizerEncLib exactly.
@@ToralizerEncLib Lando was so far clear of Hamilton, there was no way they could undercut him. In my opinion a poor excuse to ruin a great race. I'm still amazed how they screwed up in a race where they finished 1-2. If they were afraid of the undercut, they should have pitted Piastri first and then Lando, the gap was more than big enough to keep Lewis behind.
@@ToralizerEncLib Lando came out 5 seconds ahead of Hamilton, and the gap never got closer than 4.5 seconds. But hey, it's not the first time McLaren screwed over their drivers with pitstop strategies...
Never disagree with more Peter in most of your moments today, Lando stuffed his own race at the start! Oscar didn’t do anything wrong going into turn one, clearly pushing your opponent wide to assert your position in an overtake is fair play as demonstrated time and time again by other top drives including your Lando! Further more Oscar lead for most of the race, it was only the team decision to pit Lando first that put Oscar in second place! I believe that as time goes on that Oscar will keep improving and will be quicker than Lando ultimately!
Why did McLaren bring Lando into the pits before Oscar and gave him the advantage (not Lando's fault) and then asked him to give the position back to Oscar when he was clearly the faster between the two and had opened up a 6 second lead. They used this strategy to undercut Lewis but Lewis was not even a threat to these two anyways. They have handled the situation very poorly tbh.
Agreed. Oscar was better until the last stop. Truth is, if he was first in the pits, Lando would have never overtaken him. He was faster in the 3rd stint, but by no means fast enough to overtake
@@gogox98 exactomundo
McLaren are making mistake after mistake.
Ultimately, they took the win away from Lando.
They didn’t show very good situational awareness in the UK race so this is in the same vein
@@gogox98I disagree. In the first stint Norris had to wait behind Verstappen for 4+ laps which made his medium tyre loose life quickly. In the second stint Norris pushed hard and reduced the gap to 1.5 secs before pitting. In the last stint Norris pushed even harder and increased the gap to 6+ seconds. If Piastri would have caught Lando and reduced the gap to atleast 1.5 secs the switch would be consisdered respectable. Oscar start was definitely great but the overall race pace of Norris was better.
I like Piastri’s quiet confidence, he just gets on with it. No drama, no fuss.
Amazingly cool kid, great guy.
Unlike his whiny bratty teammate!
@@j.anderson4254 Still, Lando earned to win this race.
Exact opposite f max
Well .. he kinda was a bit all over the track losing time when it was crunch time. This is not real racing.
Peter is 100% wrong here (with all due respect). They had an agreement before the race, the leading driver takes priority on team strategy. Piastri is leading after lap 1 and has the priority and should've been pitted first, however, the team pitted Lando first to cover HAM hence causing an undercut. It will be unfair to keep that position.
What? Oscar absolutely did nothing wrong in turn one. That is a crazy take
Funnily enough I agree with him, Torpedo memes.
Watch it from the onboard of Pia, he was never ahead of Norris until he forced the two outside drivers off at the exit. He just opens up really early and says "we crash or I get ahead". Which you can argue is hard racing and that's fine. But begging for a race win at the end of the race with gling off multiple times and being gapped isn't exactly in that hard racing category anymore.
@@edwardhewer8530Agreed
Oscar was a tiny bit hot. But the last thing he would have been expecting at that time was there were two cars on the outside. Land fluffed the start from pole position does this mean he isn’t as good as Oscar? No fucking way! Peter - wrong take just play back the last ten races and see what first corners look like.
I also think you missed the part how Oscar controlled the pace that benefited both McLaren drivers for 30 plus laps.
We also have no idea what is in Oscar’s contract knowing MW is his manager.
Control your emotions peeps. It’s a circus, not sport.
@@zoidburg3101lando Newley pushed Oscar into the wall, past the solid line next to the wall were some tracks there is grass there like Melbourne, then lando moved hard to the others side of the track giving the space, a driver will always use all the track available, lando sooks about this yet is guilty him self. Lando is not him
Admittedly, Peter, this is the first time i disagree with you... McLaren created this mess, they should have let the 2 sides of the garage race, Ocar as lead driver in the track should have been pitted first, and then Lando should have been give the all clear to race ... Wins have to be earned and what they did to Oscar would not happen under normal circumstances... Ocar made a risky ballsy move to take the lead, and pulled away... McLaren's approach today did both a disservice to a win... Oscar would have enjoyed his first real win and Lando a great comeback win to beat his partner thus building this confidence to be the teams lead drive. This is how Lewis did it with Nico and it served his skills well...
Undercut didn’t give Lando that 6 s gap, he did that himself
@@rckhalsa yes an on newer tires in clean air... Next time the lead car will be pitted first and may be risk the the 1st and 2nd position.
@@rckhalsayeah let's next time reverse the gap and let's see if lando can catch up to the Oscar. 😂😂
took the words outa my mouth, first time I EVER disagreed with Peter but still looking forward to more unbiased race insights from the legend...
complelty agree it this
I normally find your analysis fairly balanced. But this was a hard watch for me. Lando Norris will not be winning a drivers title this year. Period. McLaren have a better chance of winning the constructors and require harmony within the team to do it. Lando lost the race at the first corner and that’s on him.. Mclaren are playing a team game this year and it might see them be crowned champions versus a handicapped Redbull.
So then; if it's about the WCC then why take the risk of swapping back?
I disagree Lando is close enough to take the WDC on top of WCC! You should always go for both championships when you have a car that has shown it can! Making the pit stops the way they did was perfect for keeping both championships in contention what happened after was a show of pure miss management! And on top of that treating Lando the way they did who has shown so much loyalty even when the going was though is ridiculous! Piastri's time will come that much is clear but with both championships in contention it should never have been this race!
So yes I agree with Peters analysis here since overtaking in similar equipment is nigh impossible Lando should always have gotten preferential treatment since he can get McLaren both championships! I wonder what McLaren will say if Max wins from Lando with 6 points difference on the telly?
You were right on one point, Norris did make plenty of mistakes. His biggest mistake was not giving the position back on laps 48-50 when he was first asked, because that would have given him 20 laps to race for the win on merit, instead of waiting until lap 68.
Team would have said hold station. Just like they did with Ricardo at Monza. Or wherever that race was.
Spot on. That’s exactly what Norris should’ve done!! Instead, he completely ruined the race.
@@rustilldown7 Watch back the race, Lando was given the green light to fight the papaya car
@@RantrexGames Correction: McLaren said
" You can fight the papaya car till the mid 40s like we discussed (or agreed maybe) "
I understood that they were allowed to fight until Lap 45 or so then hold position.
Doubt if McLaren lets him do it. It is all fixed. Even pit Oscar first I bet Lando pace can pass him finally. He is a lot faster at last stint.
Funny coincidence? David Coulthard was on F1TV commentary saying he regrets giving that win to Mika you've just mentioned.
I heard DC talking about that too. You could tell it was a career defining moment for him
Poor DC. Sounded like he was having a Vietnam War flashback talking about it.
@@sujjo don’t think it made any difference in the long term as McLaren replaced one Finn with another and Kimi annihilated DC in terms of outright pace.
DC was another one of those overrated British drivers who overstayed his welcome in F1.
@@TheGreatVivek7Raikonnen overstayed his welcome by several years too.
@@trance9158 tissue?
Are you seriously condemning Piastri for 'forcing' his way to the lead? He's a racing driver and forcing his way to the lead is exactly what he is supposed to do.. This was a completely unwarranted rant.
It's an aggressive move on a teammate when the team is trying to consolidate their first 1-2 in years, and they've failed to win the last 3 races despite being the fastest car. That being said, Norris didn't give him much room in the run up to turn 1.
He is doing that so he can then claim that Lando had no reason to give the place back. It's his biased setup of the whole thing.
Yes, I don’t get Peter’s POV on this either.
Not only that, he made the apex and was side by side when entering the breaking zone, he didn’t remotely dive bomb into turn one.
@@MrGtubedude Max was in front at the apex - the rule (ridiculous as it is, but still the rule) says the corner belonged to Max. So in fact Oscar had to give the position to Max!
Didn't realize how big a fan Peter really is of Lando until today
Why wouldn’t he be, Lando is an excellent driver and a nice person. Look how good he was today gifting Oscar his first win.
Nothing to do with Lando being an excellent driver, which he is. All to do with nationality, plain and simple.
Nah...
Peter is always supporting the British drivers. There’s always been bias on his videos.
@@cartor26Yes, I need time to accept it, but I get it. He is British and makes sense to feel more love for British drivers.
I found Pete’s takes here rather bizarre
That's because he's an archaic relic from a time long ago!
When people used to race in F1
Lando is most likely to get a shot at Max for championship since they pitted him early should just let them race to finish...
His take on how Oscar should be forced to give the place back to Lando on the first corner because he "forced him wide" is wild. Oscar did run a little bit wide, but left enough room on the outside, Lando (which was indeed very sensible in also giving space) never touched the outside of the track. Verstappen was just in a bad position in this fight and tried to force his way through the outside.
I understand his opinion on how McLaren should prioritize Lando's WDC, which is fair, but this clearly isn't the agreement inside McLaren and he talks like Oscar didn't win the lead on pure racing and Lando only regained the lead because of McLaren's blunder.
Raaathheer beeeezarrrre heeeeey! That is because you're suffering from British POVItis. Get surgery.
The issue is that Oscar is turning into the better driver and Lando knows this
can we just talk about Lando's start? How many times he has done a bad start. Over and over again. You want to be champion, make sure to have a decent start. What's the point of pole position then?
He actually had a good start with a good reaction and launch, but the second phase was bad. Seems to happen quite a lot.
He seems to always sleep at the wheel when the green lights go out.
According to Sir Peter Windsor, Oscar completely screwed Lando by actually getting to the apex of corner one first, AND, wait for it, Oscar should have given his position back to Lando. Hmmmm? Oscar reacts quicker, has a higher 0-200 kmh speed, goes for a ballsy inside move without locking a single tyre or driving off the track, leaves room for Lando, gets in front and accelerates into the lead in one of the best starts I have seen in a very long time. But according to the oracle SirPW he should have given his place back. Time to visit SpecSavers old Petey boy.
@@simonmiller5118good summary
@@simonmiller5118Oscar got to the apex third though?
The nerve of Piastri, passing Lando in that first corner.. 😬😂
Especially passing the beloved Lando 🫢
the HELP never get to pass the master dont you know....lando with his 1 win and multiple constant mess ups is just to damn good for oscar and really its in oscars best interest to just watch in awe as lando takes second place behind max as is tradition then messes up a pit call or whatever you cant get that kind of education by you know....trying to win a race on your own merit
Yeah but Lando got back infront by his driving and Oscars mistakes and team strategies. T1 was fine and so was the undercut? Idk if your p2 in WDC I think you try and get the points? Because in racing nothing is set in stone, max has a dnf or who knows what and all of a sudden every point counts.
Perfect 😭
loved it 🎉😊
You can’t “give away” what was given to you. Lando had no right to be pitted first and undercut into P1.
What the heck are you talking about Peter. Oscar had the better start, he did nothing wrong…disagree with your analysis of the race start
@odubaivey5251
He did have the better start and was strong in the 1st stent where McLaren screwed up was when they pitted Lando 1st when they should’ve pitted Oscar..
yes!! and to call it a win Lando earned then mention the undercut in the same sentence lol. you don't undercut a driver leading the race with your other driver!! Peter you should be directing your winging pom anger to the McLaren strategy department who have consistently been letting the drivers down!!
@@tasmanstrachan2110 Oscar Oscar Oscar oi oi oi
@@user-ux3jk8cd6z 100% agree if you wanted Oscar to keep the lead then you should have pitted him first. I think that would had been even more entertaining for the fans because it would had been interesting to see if Lando would had chased him down and if there was a legitimate team battle for the race win. Lando had really good pace on that last stint and I think he had a legitimate chance to beat Oscar had they not screwed up the pitstop strategy
Bro must be salty because he bet on Lando winning 😂. Imagine trying to defend Max's calls
Not with you on this one, what am i hearing, that Piastri taking the lead after a better start deserved a penalty? That his one run wide meant he deserved to not win even tho he regained focus and still pulled away? And then you saying that Norris should limit Piastris opportunities in his contract? What a load of rubbish. And the venomous way you're talking about this being a marketing thing is disrespectful to Oscar.
Just utter disrespect, the amount of times Oscar has had to swap positions to let Norris pass is a massive number and here you are crying because Piastri finally got one in return when the team decided to pit the second place driver first when Oscar was controlling the race. You go on about it being about proper racing but what you're crying about is Oscar letting Norris win with no fight, so how is that proper racing? Saying that Norris got the win taken away when no, that team decision was the team taking the win off of Piastri because there was no way that Norris was getting past Oscar if McLaren did the "proper racers" thing where the lead driver pits first. They left Piastri out to dry in Silverstone to prioritise Norris winning and they left him out to dry here too when he had both of those races within reach.
Absolutely disgraceful to hear you sound so petulant today for the wrong reasons. Stop acting like Piastri was gifted a win when it was taken off of him in the first place by his own team.
@orio_3 bravo!
Peter so dirty on "the Australian #2 driver" who "forced his way past".
All hail Landooooooooo.
You'd think Peter is on Landos payroll with the amount of arse licking he does.
Agreed , Osacr deserved that win.
Yea this is a terrible take by Peter. Smacks of some of the Lewis praise. Oscar outdrove Lando to the first corner. It's a huge weakness of Lando's racecraft. And then if the team hadn't done him dirty by pitting Lando first, Oscar would have more than likely won it on track.
But Peter is grieved like Oscar unfairly took something from Lando in the first corner that he didn't deserve. I don't get that thinking.....
Totally agree, lost a lot of respect for Peter
Peter, while I generally agree with you, I think you just wasted a whole lot of our time arguing on behalf of Lando. The first corner incident would have been viewed by any responsible steward as “racing”. The McClaren pit stop sequence originally looked like an intentional effort to put Lando in the lead. It was a mistake!!! Pinstripe would have one the race with that incorrect set of decisions. It was perfectly reasonably AND CORRECT to tell Lando to let Oscar by!!!
Peter, I hope you take some time to reflect on your T1 take with a clear head because your number 1 rule is the driver on the inside OWNS the corner
Peter i can't agree with you at all. Teams care first about the Constructors championship as a priority then secondly the drivers championship. The team had an arrangement prior in regards to covering off Hamilton and they did the honorable thing and honored said agreement. Lando wanted a freebie but you have to earn it, Piastri took the lead so he earned it, give him that credit, if Lando wanted to win he should have held the lead and he would've probably been a race winner today. I respect McClaren's integrity, the drivers are allowed to race so go win a race, no freebies. So in principle, no taking away anyone's wins and no gifting anyone a win.
Not sure how you can make the case that Lando should be more cut throat about letting Oscar through, then say Oscar should not have made the move at turn one? “If you no longer go for the gap”
Peter, I dont get your point. What was Oscar supposed to do in T1? Lift off and let his team mate past?
Getting pole means nothing, you need to execute everything right.
He's spot on. What McLaren did was just wrong.
They have the fastest car, and Lando Norris has got a real chance of winning the world championship.
That's 7 points Lando Norris has lost today.
Well if Lando hadn’t moved Oscar would have crashed into Lando who was still in the lead…
@@martingonzalez2850 BS
@@martingonzalez2850 I feel like saying "real" chance is a bit of a flawed statement. Max is ahead by *i think* 76 points now. Only way I see him losing it, is if RB starts acting like 22' Ferrari and MCL starts acting like 22' RB. And so far across the season (strategically) this isnt really the case. The field is tight enough that any of 4 teams could suddenly be the new top team. Thats not something that makes it easy to overcome such a points gap.
I agree with you, McLaren was right in ordering Norris to get back
Peter is all about the guy on the inside has the corner until today???
I have seen him take some true non neutral side for two drivers- Lewis and norris
You're out of your tree criticising Piastri into turn 1. It was masterful from Piastri: first into the apex on the inside, and kept it in track limits. Beautiful. It was hard but fair racing, entirely within the rules, as per the stewards. This from the guy who says the guy whose on the inside owns the corner? What are you on about? I was also surprised McLaren gave team orders, but the turn 1 criticism is ridiculous.
Very well said. I find this take and his takes last week really bizarre. Don't get it at all.
@@TorqueFormulaWonHe getting too old I think 😅
Lando needs to have better starts. Oscar attempt on turn 1 seemed totally fair. If Lando wants a #1 driver treatment like Max, he should start dominating his teammates like Max has been. Meanwhile, McLaren didn’t need to cover Lewis on hards, they should’ve pitted Oscar first and Lando could have had a fair chance at racing for the win on the last stint.
And Oscar needs to have better race-pace...
I don't think 1 bad gear change at the start is enough to justify why Oscar should get preferential treatment for the rest of the race when Lando was lapping consistently faster.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 Preferential treatment for Oscar? By pitting Oscar late two times on a track that was notorious for infinitely favors undercut strategy (like Monaco)?
@@apophisstr6719 the decision on when to put should be between the driver and their race engineer.
There shouldn't be any swapping people because they got to pit first.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 The thing is, the norm here is usually pit the lead car (if there wasn’t a clear driver 1 & 2 role), which is why everyone was baffled when they pit Lando first, not to mention they actually waited 2 laps before pitting Oscar, which was even more weird if they they wasn’t favouring Lando (before they somehow actually realized it was a bad idea)
@@apophisstr6719 what if the driver behind asks for new tyres earlier than the one in front?
Or their tyres degraded faster so they had to come in?
Are they going to refuse because they want to prioritise the driver in front?
Or often tyre changes are a bit of a gamble as to the right time, if they take a higher risk/reward strategy for the 2nd driver, would they say they had to give the place back?
In any of these cases, I doubt it. You do what's best for each driver and if that benefits 1 more than the other, so be it. So why when covering off another team, and Lando got close enough (combined with Oscar's mistake) that he was able to undercut should he give that place back? It's just racing and how the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Oscar took corner one lap one brilliantly. He makes the apex pushes wide off after he is ahead of Lando and gives space on the exit. He played his inside position perfectly. McLaren made everything complicated by pitting Lando before Oscar on the second stint. Oscar deserved this win but I wish Lando had just taken it and punished McLaren for their stupidity.
oscar drove perfectly and hes proving the problem is not only mclaren but also norris
After thinking about it for some time, I kinda see what Peter is trying to say, if it wasn't Oscar, Lando would push other car more into the grass, as he did to Max once and and would be on the inside for that corner. Oscar would be P3 after that corner.
This whole bullshit about being a team player, Oscar shafted Lando at turn one and acted so far from a team player.
@@alansmith7158shafted Lando? He's a racing driver FFS and he left space on the outside . Complete garbage.
Sick of seeing this 'deserved' to win nonsense. Why? Because he had a decent start and turn 1? Lando was smoking him after the pit stops so why does piastri deserve to win?
I’m glad the comment section is calling out Peter’s BS. F1 in fact IS a team sport with many people involved. He is calling egocentric, selfish and uncooperative behavior as something needed in Formula One. Shameful, and completely biased!
Its super enlighting someone who is biased against lando, lewis or piastri
Nonsense .. the mistake made was by McLaren by pitting the second place car first .. maybe Piastri doesn’t consider himself a number two driver.
If they had pitted the leader first as is normal the Lando would have had a chance to prove he’s the number one by catching and passing Oscar .. pitting Lando to cover Hamilton was nonsense as well.
They did that twice as well, both pit cycles. And both times that made Oscar lose time, especially in comparison to Lando. If they would have just given Oscar's lead car pitting priority as is usual protocol, they would have avoided the whole mess completely.
I agree. Then they could have raced.
@michaeladamson4908
Piastri is a # 1 Driver in training.
I don't think Oscar did anything wrong in the first corner. After all he's a racing driver as Peter says. Also, about letting Mclaren establish Lando as the number 1 driver. I don't think you can say point blank to a racer like Oscar that he is the number 2 driver. I think Mclaren were just as desperate to sign Oscar as Oscar was for signing Mclaren.
I don’t this Oscar did anything wrong either. Also I thought if a driver had the inside line on a corner he owned it?? Just not in this case?
Completely agree. Peter needs to watch the replay, Oscar didn't do anything wrong. He didn't force Lando off the track, he didn't make contact with him. That's what Max has been doing to others for years now. If it's in the rules for Max, it's in the rules for Lando and Oscar.
If Lando wants to cry about it, fine. But he didn't get as good a start as either Max or Oscar, therefore he lost out.
McLaren's real blunder was pitting Lando first to cover Lewis at the second stop when Lewis wasn't even a threat. That made no sense and I can understand why Lando would be aggrieved by that.
I agree 100%. He left a car's width for Norris end of story. Bro should quote the exact rule and paragraph that Piastri overstepped.
I agree, Peter's comments about giving the place back after the turn 1 were strange
Agree. Hard to see what Oscar did wrong in the first corner. The biggest issue again is McLaren’s race management.
It was the usual drag race to the first corner. Nothing accidental about Oscar's pace or position on entry. Race craft 101.
Usually agree with Peter but saying Oscar should've given the position back after turn one when lando nearly pushed him into the wall is crazy. In one breath says drivers should fight hard but then that Oscar was too aggressive there.
This was fully on the team and saying Oscar should have let lando take the win after being promised they wouldn't screw him over comes across as some sort of weird British bias
I know, right - very strange contradictions and inconsistency for Peter. 'Drivers should be ruthless' versus 'Oscar should voluntarily give up the win'. Come on, Peter, that is rubbish
He made me question myself and watch the start again. The move is so on.
A truely strange analysis by Peter that makes me question why I listen to his opinion at all.
Yep they missed seeing that part mate 👍
@@KCChiefsCallumTHE the team should have taken the hit for the bad call , Not Norris.They would have still had a 1,2 anyway.Instead they have alienated thier no1.
Sorry Peter! You're misfiring today.
Doesn't he always!!
Peter, a break and some fresh air would help. I bet you, you will see the light. You likely will understand yourself that you have to take this video down. And don't worry, the folks here will hold nothing against you long-term. All will eventually be forgiven and forgotten. You are not alone; even the greatest of minds get side-tracked from time to time!
I think you're going mad. Max is a racer but he didn't have a right to continuously curse out his engineer like that. That's why in the end his behaviour was childish. The question wasn't childish but his constant cursing and complaining. Stop defending foolishness
Agree. Max is a great driver and an entitled spoiled brat!
@@user-ho5xe2nu8oI am Dutch therefore I hope Max wins every race, but I have to agree with you this time. Disappointed with Max yesterday, this kind of reactions on the radio and angry racing is so unattractive.
@@patjes2001Dutch as well here but I don't agree. This is how a racing Max is, he shouldn't change that. An angry invulling cursing Max will bring out the best of him next races including the team. That is what topsport is
I'm sorry Peter but that was the worst opinion on the incident that I've heard so far. What was that about the lap 1 incident? Oscar was on the INSIDE and side by side on the apex, don't you agree that whoever is on the inside has the line? There was no reason whatsoever for Oscar to give anything to Lando there other than fair space on the outside, which he did, it was fair racing. Then Mclaren made a mistake by accidentally favoring Lando with strategy, that was a total blunder, but there was no universe whatsoever where not giving the position back would be the right call long term, because he would have both the team and Oscar against him, and rightfully so. The right thing to do, which Lando and the team should have realised (and THIS was their biggest mistake), was letting Oscar go early so then Lando could battle him for the win fairly, proving he could have won fair and square. You say that you wish Oscar didn't take this win because he didn't deserve it, but if Lando would have won I'd argue that he would deserve it even less. A win because he got accidentally favored by the team? Proving he needs the help of his team to win against his teammate? Also you can't seriously wish that Lando ignored radio messages like that, THAT would be extremely childish and a cowards way of avoiding the issue
Agreed, team even gave radio assurance to Piastri when they boxed Lando first. If positions reversed Oscar would never have been given undercut
oscar didn’t leave lando a car’s width at the exit. yes that’s normal in racing, but usually when you race your teammate you give them more space than normal.
@@Marcushalberstram749 BS Lando did not go off track so he had room.
@@Marcushalberstram749 Being 'nice' went out the window when Lando tried to put him on the grass leading up to t1. Why was Lando defending against Oscar, his "teammate".
Great accurate summary of events.
Wow - normally love Pete's takes but I think he's way out on a lot of things this time. Didn't even finish it :(
First time as a subscriber seeing a truly shocking take from Peter Windsor. Piastri beats Norris to that apex on the first corner, keeps it under control and wins the corner hard but fairly, and even leaves some space knowing Lando is there, not going right to the white line. Then proceeded to leave him for dust. Even after those "many mistakes" later on in the race Peter, Lando may have closed up, but never even once threatened Piastri or even got into DRS. Piastri won that afternoon, and had he stopped early, as he WAS ENTITLED TO AS THE RACE LEADER, he beats Norris with Lando only leading the race from the line until the braking zone of lap 1 turn 1🤣🤣
Not to mention that "Lando got pole, muscled wide, let him have it" at 06:40 which does not account for the 4 second gap the "number two driver" put on Lando for the first two stints🤣🤣🤣🤣
FLAT OUT "LANDO NORRIS SHOULD HAVE WON THAT RACE???" at 08:40? Yeah this video is down horrendous🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Come on man.
yes!!
Peter you are my top few F1 commentator but you are well and truly getting the comments you deserve for this video. Your england bias is mega and if you could acknowledge that it'd be nice.
About T1, based on your previous annalysis of other situations with other drivers, whoever is on the inside, owns the corner... That's what I expected to hear this time as well
Unless there is a British driver involved, then the British has the right of pass. 😂 Like 2021, let's forget four previous occasions giving Hamilton advantage and pick only one that gave advantage to Max.
I still like Peter and came here to hear his opinion which I value a lot.
Yes, Peter did a 180 today. Makes no sense
Piastri only has to leave a car's width at turn 1. Not obliged by the regulations to leave space for Lando + Max simultaneously.
Windsor is a bit off on this one. Oscar is not the reason Norris had a bad start, Norris is.
Peter's gone mad as a hatter 🤠
@@countblah7099Peter has become a Piastri hater!
Pfffff Norris hater???? Hating do people in war . ??? We talking about sportttttttttttttttttttttt. Thanks Peter for your honest views.👍👍👍👍👍👍
Norris didn't have a bad start. He had to leave space for Oscar cause he was carrying a lot of speed onto the corner and he had to go wide.
@@aminopa He tried to cover Verst AND Piastri and logically lost time doing so. That gave plenty of room for Piastri to focus on just going for first. It’s geometry. His initial start was not great, look at the onboard they are available on formula1’ s channel.
Pete, I usually agree with your appraisal, but I don’t agree with your assessment that Oscar caused the first corner issue. Lando had a poor start (a weakness in his driving) and created an opportunity for Oscar. What happens after that is on Lando. Secondly, Max tried a desperate move and got pushed off ( like he himself has done to many others) and then whinged about it! I think your biases are on display in this instance. This isn’t the driver fault, the McClaren team failed it’s driver on this occasion 😊
@chrisgraham8368 you nailed it. Lando never seems to warm up his tyres properly from pole. He complained of issues in the car in the warmup lap. He was passed by Oscar really early.
Oscar for shafted by McLaren strategy last week. Peter seems to mostly be pissed off that McLaren didn't contractually force Oscar to be the designated "#2 driver" that PW labels him as.
I always like Peter and his assesment, but I agree with you here. But one thing I've noticed, is that Peter has NEVER had anything complimentary to say about Oscar. I get the feeling that he just doesnt like Oscar.
Exactly, Piastri was first into the apex on the inside and stayed within track limits. QED
Also, why do we have to always subscribe to the stereotype that a champion has to be ruthless against everybody? ( against your team and the number 2 driver even though OS is not a number 2 driver ), There are also fans, like me, who respects world champions that "most of the time" follows team orders or are team players. While majority of people only cares the end result there are fans who cares how they got there. Come to think of it - is there an F1 Champion that has no controversy with their team mates?
I can't believe this is PW's take on the whole affair.
Lando should learn that when on pole, you are on the racing line. Then the shortest distance to turn 1 is a straight line. Lando seems to find the need to run the driver on P2 into the wall. (Max in Austria, Piastri today)
Doing this increases the distance turn and gives the car in P3 a free run to turn1. Then 3 cars arriving at turn1always ends in tears.
Spot on!
Yep, prefectly said..
I whish lando let oscar pass, at the onset, n just challenged for thecwin a few laps later, that would have been fair
As Peter said..there is supposedly an agreement within McLaren untill when drivers are free to race.
So in this case after 70% of race is over and they have one two..drivers are supposed to bring car home and not fight on track
Exactly what i was thinking. Agree to let him pass early and he has time to challenge him…
No. The best driver is in front.
thats what he should have done. he might have had the speed to pull a clean overtake. running 5s out and then slowing wasnt clever if he was always planning on giving the place back. but I dont think he was. he really wanted that win. understandably. but then he realized what would come of it. Oscar would become a complete monster against him and thats not something you want. you want the guy to play the team game late season to challenge Max.
It would have been much more sensible too!
Mark Webber has made sure Oscars contract covers all those corners. Well done Mark.
I didn’t understand why your saying he had to give a win away. He was given the lead by the team to protect his position from Hamilton. Piastri had the race under control.
Exactly, Lando never came close to passing on track until the team gave him the 2 lap undercut at last stop.
Well said . I don't usually get annoyed watching an F1 review but Peter is delusional. I can not believe what he's saying. Lando admitted in post race interview that his 1-2 shift played up so Oscar earned the right to be where he was at T1 as he got down beside Lando before corner entry and as we've ben hearing a lot lately you must leave 1 car's width..
After that Oscar put seconds on him and was looking after the tyres controlling the show. This BS Lando deserved the win is absolutely ridiculous when Peter doesn't acknowledge Oscar had pit rights yet they let Lando in first ..Oscar has played ball a few time for Lando so about time he got one back. To stop the shit from happening McLaren need to pit the driver who has the right first and let the rest take care of itself.
Are they racing each other?
@@de1623 Oscar made a mistake which put lando 1.5 behind him then last stint lando was well quicker
Hamilton was not a threat... They kept Piastri out for 2 extra laps, McLaren botched it
Piastri is a generational talent. 🇦🇺
He's not yet, given Lando was over 5 seconds ahead of Pastri. 🙄
Bullshit
@@davidlynch9049Only because he was gifted an undercut by the team, and decided to burn the tyres.
Miles better than Noris imo.
Even as a RB fan, I will always support him.
He cannot be, otherwise Max could have been his father and that is in my humble opinion a physical impossiblility. So only one generational talent at this moment and that is Max 😂
Crazy summary Peter. Oscar’s first corner undertake was perfect RACING. He made the corner did not lock up, did not touch lando. You are so spot on with everything you say, but this was insane.
Don't agree with Peter on Lando and Oscar. Oscar running wide is a racing incident at the start no Stewart will penalize that so I don't see how the team should. Lando was faster than Oscar so all he had to do was to give the place back early and repass Oscar instead of ignoring team order.
@truth4reel since this is true that there was no report to the stewards on turn 1 (and hectic passes can happen in turn 1 of races), why would a racer like Pastry concede the race when there was no investigation of his pass?
This race start deserves a further 'analysis' and perhaps PW can complain about the unfair treatment of his golden Lando. 😂
Peter, Have you been on the wines ? Oscar done a brilliant job off the line, his first comer was nothing like you say. He controlled the race and should have been pitted first.
Peter I am staggered that you are not upset with Lando, the trailing car getting pitstop priority on both stops! How is that Piastri's fault, team can't sabotage him to make Lando the winner!
1. Lando did a worse start than Oscar, that's why he lost the lead, not because he avoided a divebomb from light years away.
2. Lando only got ahead because of the abysmal decision to pit the driver behind before the driver in front, not because he in any way deserved the lead at that point in the race.
3. Because of that, it was Oscar's win they were taking away, not Lando's. Also, had he switched the positions before he did, he may have had a chance to overtake him, now he just gave the win away, and Oscar's feeling that he deserved that win.
4. The idea that Lando should give back the position back is not for some idea that there needs to be some great balance and happiness within the team, it's because he wasn't 1st on merit at that stage of the race and they wanted to correct their decision to pit them in the wrong order.
Oscar was clearly slower, especially in the last stint - and actually Lando was driving away 4 seconds or more at the end - that is more than Piastri benefited from stopping a couple of laps earlier. Should have been Landos - good luck making those arguments when Lando loses the chip with less than 7 points delta
@@BluMustangOscar was not slower throughout the race, me made a mistake that closed the gap yes, but he was not slower. He managed that gap the whole time
@@BluMustang That's another discussion. If they'd have switched cars purely for the WDC, I think it would have been fairly reasonable, if they'd planned that pre-race, that clearly wasn't what was happening, and as such, It was Oscar's place to be 1st after the 2nd pitstop.
If McLaren had allowed Norris to take that win, you can guarantee that Webber would have been on the phone the same day, shopping Piastri to all the other top teams. That would have been the end of McLaren hoping to keep Piastri in the team.
@@BluMustang No - Piastri was clearly slower in the last stint. That I can agree with. In the first two stints he pulled a gap on Norris both times. If McLaren had pitted Piastri first at both stops, he'd likely have been 8-10s or more in front of Norris at the last stop. Norris was only ever 6s in front of Piastri at the end, so it's unlikely that he could have caught Piastri and had enough tyres left to pass him. Norris wasn't faster - he was faster in one segment of the race.
Lost me Peter
He's basically saying Piastri should accept he's the de facto no.2 in McLaren... Haha, me thinks Lando is better but that's absolute nonsense
Continuously referring to Oscar as #2... Would be so great if he outperforms Lando over the coming races so Peter can eat his words.
2025 will be the year Oscar becomes dominant at McLaren.
Oscar was already robbed of a few race wins this year already by McLaren covering for Norris.
What are you on about? Oscar got a better start, Lando stuffed it up and went into turn 1 on the back foot. Not Oscars fault, he outplayed Lando.
Lando did not have a win taken away from him. He had an opportunity to win gifted to him when it shouldn't have been. Oscar was 100% in the right. They undercut oscar to save p1-p2. Norris fucked up by not giving the place back STRAIGHT AWAY and giving himself the opportunity to pass oscar on track. This is 100% on lando
Interesting take. I think Lando has the propensity to be tunnel visioned and petulant, with poor race awareness. Until he fixes this, he won’t win a world championship.
He has shown time and again that he doesn’t think the long game and just fixates on whatever is in front of him (think Russia and how Danny Ric pitted before him and more recently Silverstone when he chose the wrong tire, somewhat misled by his race engineer)
Another driver missing that last 5% is Leclerc.
They both have raw pace, but you need more than that to win a Drivers WC over 24 races…
There was no opportunity, they told Norris that they were only allowed to race until lap 45. Conflicting radio messages all the time. Also, when you have one driver who is SECOND in the WDC, you favour that driver, end of. Piastri should have played the Team game by staying in the position he qualified in, second. He should have supported his team mate in the race to the WDC. All sloppy from McLaren. Oiastri went wide 3 times, in the gravel, Lando legitimately caught up before the pit fiasco, Oscar buckled under pressure. Check the Parc Ferme photos, Oscar's tyres were cooked! Lando's were fine, and he had an older set - this win was Lando's. He was faster, managed his tyres better, is in the running for the WDC and qualified first....but yes, let him pull over for 6 seconds to gift the win to Piastri.
Welcome to your opinion...but personally that was a load of shit....if the drivers were changed round you would of said only fair for Lando!!! It's crape mate and deep down you know it.....maybe in all your reviews from now on don't mention Oscar's name as your level of disrespect to him in what you've just said us unbelievable...and why did McLaren not say that when Oscar joined....who is his manager? Mark wouldn't allow another driver to be treated like he was....maybe think on it....but you won't....
Always enjoy you race analysis. It brings the racing a lot closer to those of us who are unable to attend in person. Given your fierce support for Lando, I'm wondering if you would hold the same view if the situation was reversed and it was Lando who stole the 1st corner through a better start and it was Oscar who then cedes the win. I'm pretty certain we all know the answer...
Thinking Oscar is a #2 driver is not correct. In my opinion, Oscar’s improvement curve has been higher than Norris at the same point in their early careers. It’s still insane to me Oscar is this close to Lando just a 1 year and a half into his F1 Career. Nothing against Lando, but Oscar has shown an X factor that with Lando took more time to see.
Of course, Oscar is better than him but lando is the one fighting for the title
Why are you are encouraging Max’s behavior?? The same way that you are implying that the team should respect Max, he SHOULD ALSO SHOW RESPECT TO HIS TEAM! He was acting absolutely ridiculous. RedBull’s strategy is usually second to none, and when things don’t go as planned Max has a right to disrespect his team? What are you saying? Don’t be part of the problem..
I have been listening to you PW for a long time, a big source of a true differing opinion than the usual mainstream. But i feel you are quite off the money
points i agree on
the win didnt feel like a win because of the situation
i agree mclaren need to pick a no1 driver ( but at this point they clearly havnt)
lando wasnt clearly ever in the lead until he got priority in the last pitstop covering hamilton undercut. Then you say it disgraceful for them asking to give the position back and how they was mentally manipulating lando to give the place back.
your first corner argument is basically your saying you should never go up the inside lando had over half the racetrack he was fine.
Piastri at the start was a decent move i cant believe your using that as a way of giving lando the win for a reverse pitstop.
Max is a petulant child today, and you're saying that an F1 driver has to be respected no matter how lower he stoops, and can speak to anyone without any respect i get raging after abad decision but that wasnt what max was doing today.
he rages at the stratergy first stint got undercut the damage was done there due to he only had new mediums left so they created the biggest tyre offset they could then max raged and destroyed his tyres instead of bringing them in gently.
You may feel strongly about it PW and you have your views, but i think looking at most of this comment section, its clear on where the crowd stands on this one
i think you should go harder on mclaren for pitting lando first, giving lando the undercut was a terrible call on mclarens part.
They had time to pit Oscar then Lando and still come out ahead of Lewis then let them race for the win. This is all on Mclaren, these last 2 races have shown that they’re not ready to be a championship contending team
While Mclaren is at fault for putting both drivers in this position. It all comes down to another bad start by Lando, if he has any hopes for winning the WDC at any point in the future he can’t keep screwing up everything right at the start.
He was still going to win, despite the poor start.
It all came down to McLaren panicking to cover Hamilton, (which wasn't necessary) on the undercut on the second pit stop.
@@RichardHartley65 Piastri gapped him comfortably in each stint before the last. Oscar went off track once and lost 3/4 secs which made it look much better for Lando.
@@user-zj8fq8be2g Oscar making a mistake made it look better? What does that even mean?!
@@user-zj8fq8be2g - but, whatever the reason(s), Lando was still on for the win. Unless McLaren agreed with the drivers at the time of the last pitstop that they were going to swap positions, then it seems unfair to Lando. It’s a real shame as Oscar deserved a win but this now feels a bit flat.
What a biased review ... bs in the first corner. Piastri had every right to go down there in thr first corner. .. trash review.
This time I don't agree with you in the Mclaren situation. Piastri went for an existing gap, in control, didn't understeer or lock up into Lando, so I fail to see anything wrong there. The team on the other hand, called Land in, to cover a 5 sec gap to Lewis?! That's odd, and thats what caused all the caos... in my understanding, if Lando had given the place back sooner, it would have been game on to fight for victory, and by doing so, the fastest would have won, instead he gave a certain victory to Piastri.
Even though I am a very proud Australian and a big fan of Oscar's, I was baffled with the instructions to Lando in the closing stages. I agree completely with Peter's comments.
Thank you for a great video
It warms my heart to see the overwhelming majority are not with you on this one, Peter...
Oscar is getting stronger and stronger. Ever single race he is getting closer and closer to Landos race pace and he showed that in the 1st stint. He was 4 seconds ahead before he made that one mistake, and let's not forget, this was the very 1st time he had the actual pressure of a potential win on his shoulders. If Maclean pitted them in the order they should have, Oscar would have won this race fare and square.... He almost pulled a 2 second gap by the end even tho Lando had drs the lap before the finish.
What on earth are you on about? Oscar's Silverstone race was shafted at the expense of Norris. He worked his way into the lead and then you wanna call him a number two. Come off it. And Max behaved like a brat, really glad GP let him have it. Long overdue. His disrespect towards the team when he doesn't have the fastest car is too much.
All mistakes were made by McLaren, not Piastri or Norris. On the other hand, Lando is not WC material...First corner? Oscar made a clear dive on the inside, Lando was losing speed closing the line...
...but he wasn't 'catching up' to Lando, as instructed later on, to initiate the driver posistion swap...
Oscar beat 99% of the field is all.
I don't agree with you, Peter. You completely ignored the fact that Landos' opportunity was given to him by the team, allowing him to undercut Oscar. You said Lando was faster but fast yields to track position in Hungary. There was no guarantee that Lando would have passed Oscar on track with the same car in a difficult to pass track like Hungary. You are biased on this one. Oscar earned his keep and, therefore, was a deserved winner.
Oscar was ahead the whole race and Lando wasn’t ahead on merit.
Holy smoke mate, a bit upset there. Did you have five dollars on Lando for the win?
It was Piastri’s right to have first pit stop. He couldn’t take it, in order to help Norris. Why should he therefore give the win to Norris? The aftermath of bad feeling in McLaren, and loss of trust in the team from Piastri would be devastating; a long term bigger loss than 7 points. Good team call, disagree with Peter on this one
If Oscar believes he can be WDC material then there is below zero chance he’s signing a contract to mandate being no. 2 to Lando. Especially with Mark “Number 2 Driver” Webber as his manager.
You are a bit one sided in the Piastri/Norris situation.
McLaren should've pitted Piastri first, there would've not been an undercut and Norris would have been 2nd anyway.
Additionally, when Norris and Lewis push Max wide off the road, you say good defense. When Piastri does it, you say he is wrong.
Piastri didn't get the treatment he should've from the team in terms of strategy, and McLaren corrected that.
Ridiculous Mclaren did that. If Lando loses the WDC by single digits, they will have noone else to blame
For the first time in a while I dont agree with Peter on the Lando/Oscar stuff. Firstly, Mclaren acted like a team who havent been winning for a while, they should never have pitted Lando first and caused this issue. Regardless of the greater team needs, if they want to play a no team leader game, then they MUST prioritize the driver who was leading the race. They pitted Lando first to cover Hamilton? A guy who they finished 13 seconds behind?. Then if they pitted Oscar first, they could have said okay guys you are free to race for the win, instead they caused an undercut between teammates which effectively didnt let them race each other to the flag. Created a hollow victory for Oscar and his fans.
@VC9224 you sum up the views of nearly everyone commenting on McLaren mismanaging strategy again by favouring Lando in these past two races for pit stops.
To all the die hard Lando Lovers and True Brits: has McLaren favoured one of their drivers more this year in their strategies and pit stops? As a result, what are the wins of its drivers this year?
Hamilton wasn't 13 seconds behind when they covered him and I think he was on fresh rubber then so McLaren wanted to take the pressure off the pit crew by pitting Lando early.
Saying Lando should stop being mister nice guy, is also saying Piastri shouldn't be either. That's not how McLaren has worked for a while though. And I think that is fine when you're a team not competing for a world title. But now they find themselves in a position where they are... And then it suddenly stops being fine, causing the mess we saw today. In reality I think if Piastri had been the first to make pitstops today, as the guy ahead normally does, then Lando would not have been ahead after the second pit stop. Despite him being so quick in the last stint.
100% I agree with you about this race.
But not about the number 1 driver, who ever is the fastest is the one who disservice to win.
It wasn't smart of Lando to not let Oscar pass much sooner. That way, he could have had a fair chance of overtaking Oscar without being accused of damaging team harmony. Morally, Lando did the right thing, but mentally, he took a hit.
Or Oscar could have made a mistake with Lando right behind
Mcl would have told him to ‘bring it home safely’ so no I think he should have waited until the very last corner.
He was not passing him being in dirty air. It's obvious that in clear air, Norris was the faster driver. In dirty air, things even out.
I get the feeling that everyone thinks McLaren were wrong to leave Piastri out for an extra two laps, including McLaren. Norris should have given the place back straight away to smooth over any ill feeling between engineers and drivers and then said lets race for the last 20 laps.
Oscar wouldn’t have signed to McLaren if they just offered him a number 2 role- you can’t want Oscar to be “cool” and give up the win and then say that Lando should of said no to the team orders. The fair thing would of been to continue letting them battle on track- pit the leading car first (like every F1 team) and then allow them to continue battling
I disagree with your disappointment. If the McLaren garages were really treating the race as a competition between the 2 drivers, Lando would not have been allowed the undercut and he would have had to make the move on track, which would have been a tall order at the Hungaroring. You cant look at the 6 sec gap as proof that Lando was quicker, that was Oscar holding back on the basis that racing just wasn't necessary, he was getting the place back.
I like your channel but Peter behave yourself calling out Piastri into turn 1 race start!!!
Interesting as always but about:
1. McLaren giving Lando the undercut twice and it was powerful
2. Maybe Lando agreed to concede because he needed the leverage that he now has as a consequence
Aren't you getting the wrong end of the stick Peter? They only pitted Norris to protect from Hamilton. Hence why once it was clear there was no threat from behind they expected Norris to give back the advantage. Otherwise they would have pitted Piastri first and they would have just held station to the end?
The win the first corner win the race agreement has been around forever
if Oscar understeers in the first corner then the whole field did. His line is exactly the same as the whole train behind him. Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Also Lando was gifted the lead by the team, he did not earn it by passing on the track. So no matter how you want to spin it Lando was behind from turn one and the team manipulated the situation to Lando's advantage and then rightly so sorted it out.
I think that the only mistake Noris made was not letting Piastri pass as soon as Hamilton was no longer in contention, then he would have had more than 15 laps to retake the lead and win the race, as he was the fastest car on the track.
But I don’t understand why they would ask him to give the win to Piastri, if it was even close, then maybe it could be argued to let him pass, but I agree with Noris, when he catches up, I’ll let him pass!
Because they fuked Piastri by stopping him 2nd, which was a ridiculous decision.
Peter Windsor, you are taking the situation too personally. You weren't this upset about the Abu Dhabi 2021 stitch up job. Bottom line is, Piastri would have won. He was dominating the race until the stupid decision to pit Nando first. Then Piastri lost his motivation as he knew he got screwed.
We were thinking the same thing. I also wonder if then there would be all this radio chatter to Lando about not racing your teammate, think of the team, we need all the points blah blah blah...
Piastri got fucked over at Silverstone when he was the better driver.
Piastri was fucked over again by McLaren giving Norris clear priority with the undercut. Even Norris knew it was a bullshit strategy.
Piastri 100% deserved it.
@@JohnFromAccounting
Those are not reasons to “give” Piastri the win. If they had pitted Noris and Piastri the right way, in your opinion, and Noris tracked him down and passed him, without racing in a way that could take both cars out of the race, what would be your opinion then? Would it be give it back to Piastri because he beat Noris to the first turn of the race?
That final stint by Lando was brilliant, managing to out drive Oscar on older tires under the constant pressure of emotional blackmail from his race engineer just makes it even more exceptional.
Yes, but did you notice Oscar gapped him by nearly two seconds over the last two laps which suggests Lando had overcooked his tyres trying to make a stupid point.
@@simonmiller5118he let him by and had a big gap to Hamilton, no point to push anymore
If Piastri had the two preferential stops he would have had a 10-15 second lead after the second stop, which he would build on because he had the luxury of tyre management.
Oscar would have had a huge advantage if he was given preferential pitstop. Much bigger than 5 seconds
Delusional! Who had the right to the pits? Oscar was how many seconds out in front cruising and looking after the tyres? Give the pit rights to Oscar and Lando wasn't going anywhere near him. How many times has Oscar let Lando by since joining the team??
I couldn’t agree more with you, Peter. I was shouting your words at the TV screen, towards the end of the race. The radio requests and subsequent’team ethos’ comments stunk of Emotional blackmail from the McLaren team. It seemed like they were overcompensating for an earlier poor pit stop decision which disadvantaged Oscar Piastri.
Did Mark Webber pull a masterstroke here by reminding the McLaren race director about his experience with team orders and remind them of the vacant seat at Mercedes that Piastri could easily fill?
something is definitely going wrong at red bull, max had far worse races in his career and still remained relatively calm during those but today was just too much. the internal power struggles, one side of the garage not performing at all, upgrades not doing what theyre supposed to, max must be proper furious. wouldnt be surprised if there is a surprise signing coming over the summerbreak.also, the constant begging from the pitwall at mclaren made me physically cringe, if you want to swap positions have the balls to say it instead of tiptoeing around the subject constantly.
What is going wrong at Red Bull, they thought they did not need the greatest car developer that has lived.
It's different when you are just starting in f1 and making your mark versus being hailed as one of the greatest drivers and the team and driver dominating and having a certain expectation level of the team to now being continually let down. Rb created this level of expectation for max and they have not been performing on to their level for the car the last 4-5 races and this race even their strategy team underperformed as well which he haven't seen happen in a long time for rb. Their strategies are usually on point.
Max has competition now and he doesn’t like it.
@rosswilson8917 the thing is that the competition is mainly his own team screwing him over. Yes, Mclaren definitely closed the gap, but the papayas are making extremely poor strategy decisions and Max can't take advantage of that.
I thought Max's engineer telling him to not even consider talking to the stewards about his (poor) overtake on Lewis the most telling. My immediate thought was that the team always (has) supported Max - 'Yeah, copy that Max, we're onto it', or 'yeah Max, we're onto the stewards already...' - but not this time. In particular the manner in which it was said to Max.
Something just seemed different.....
Lando’s poor start was the reason he was compromised in Turn 1. The overlap between the 2 McLaren cars happened before they reached pit exit. At no time while the cars were negotiating Turn did Oscar lock up or lose control of his vehicle, Lando was able to exit turn 1 without exceeding track limits, so this seams like a manoeuvre that any racing driver would do if they had the inside run to turn 1 on lap 1 of any race, you have probably seen this more than most? So I think your statement that Piastri should have been penalised for that manoeuvre is, respectfully, absolute rubbish
Jesus Peter, get over the first corner. How is it any different from the first corner of every GP?
Yeah he's being absolutely ridiculous and he's talking so venomously about Piastri, it's insane
@@elianioriofarrellso Oscar deserves win due to start? Ignore the fact that he was losing ground before they pitted Lando? And ignore the fact Lando tripled lead after pits when Lando had better tire? And ignore that Lando not Oscar is 2nd in championship? Yeah great idea
@rickthacker8750 did I say he deserved to win for the start? No? Where tf did you get that from? Peter is saying he deserved a penalty for a normal start. Also no, Norris wasn't gaining before the stop and wasn't going to pass Oscar. Oscar made a mistake and so lost 2 seconds but started to pull away. The only reason Lando outpaced him after the stop is because he had a 2 lap undercut which we saw throughout the entire race gave a massive advantage. Piastri was leading and controlling the race even tho it's only his 2nd season, and so as with all teams, he was the lead car and should have been pitted first. But McLaren wanted to protect Norris from Hamilton so told Oscar in advance that they would undercut him with Norris just so Norris can get the laptime needed to stay ahead of a charging Hamilton trying to undercut him. Oscar only agreed to this because the team promised they would not take his win from him by going off protocol and pitting the second placed team car first, which no team does unless the lead car requests it, to avoid this exact situation of an undercut on fresher tyres giving an advantage to the car that is behind.
@@rickthacker8750he only lost ground because he had an off at turn 11 he was extending his lead he was nearly 5 seconds in front.