When F1 Drivers Raced the SAME CARS (And SENNA Won)
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What if all F1 drivers raced in the same car - it’s a question we fantasise about all the time. Finally, we’d have some understanding of who was the best.
And incredibly, this has already happened. Back in 1984 there was a race where all the drivers were in the same car - and most of those drivers were past or present F1 drivers - with nine Formula One World Champions - and two future World Champions.
And one of those future champions was Aryton Senna, who had just started his Formula One career a few months earlier.
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I think this should be a thing in every season in f1, everyone gets the same car, same tires no pitstops
Oh man!!!! That would be a great idea! I doubt FIA has the balls to do such a thing but that's how it should be done! ❤🏁
I know this might be such a American idea but that would be a fun idea for All-star race. Give it a million dollar prize pool put it at a fun circuit could become a classic event
@@thekingmansplainer6813 a 1million dollar prize for what? drive around? they dont get paid enough already
if u wanna see such a race just watch any other racing series
Zero manufacturer have interest in this. F1 is an advertisement show for them to showcase their engeneering craft...
I hate the FIA as much as you do, but in this case its Red Bull, Merc, Ferrari and so on...
Just look how they treat Andretti Autosport... Instead of making the competition closer, they want to keep it, how it is...
You need to stop watching this crap and watch proper racing... V8 Supercars or Indycar for example...
lauda climbing to 2nd sounds pretty impressive as well
With more laps he could get in first for how he was driving.
@@sergiobadaro7099some guys get really triggered with these words for some reason.
It must be a psychological problem.
@@sergiobadaro7099 im a Senna fan, but you have to give credits to Lauda
My thinking as well. Lauda proved he was an awesome driver still.
Cheers 🍺
@@AbrahamdeLacy-xm8sb
He was World Champion that year, so it's not like he was over the hill.
One thing that Scott didn't mention but you can read on Senna's biography written by Christopher Hilton: Senna was so committed to win this race that once he discovered what car model would be used, he rented a similar enough Mercedes model and drove it with a friend to a "practice" trip. It is said that it was enough to make Senna understand how the suspension worked, then on the race day he just had to make the adjustments necessary because of the car modifications.
Wow - excellent insight. Thanks for sharing!
I knew it! Senna was such a competitor I figured he would practice on a car. Full commitment!
So, he cheated by giving himself an unfair advantage. Kind of defeats the objective don't you think?
@@razgriz380how is it cheating? It wasn't against the rules. He just went the extra mile, the others apparently did not. It just shows his dedication.
@@HAbarneyWK True, but it voids this race as a comparison of drivers racing identical and unfamiliar machinery. Well, at least as a comparison between Senna and the others.
These days we limit CFD and other forms of practice because obviously the more practice you get, the better you'll be, and the richer teams will be able to afford more testing. Obviously Senna has a massive advantage if he's taken the car for a test drive first.
I’m Brazilian and I can tell you.. After Senna’s death 90% of the Brazilians stopped watching F1. He was bigger than football.
A.Senna was the greatest pilot and good man!!! Glory to the legend!!!
May 1, 1994 I stopped watching F1, too.
Brazilians also left the seating areas in Interlagos 1994 in big masses as Senna was out of the race.
That shows me how quickly most Brazilians are getting emotionally hurt.
@@grayrace7720 If you're not Brazilian, you can't understand what his passing meant to his local fans.
Anyway, it was a very sad moment, taking away their most important sportsman.
True!
SENNA was a true legend.
Because I've started watching F1 in 1978 as a "wee lad" here in Brazil I immediately become a Nelson Piquet fan, who won his first of 3 Championship titles in 1980, and due to the rivalry that developed in the mid to late 80s between him and Ayrton Senna I've never liked the latter.. The truth is that I was in denial for most of my life of how brilliant Senna was. He is the GOAT of race car driving, a perfectionist. And Nelson.. well, he become a j0ke of a p3rson really.
Still is a legend
Is...
The thing that made Senna a legend was he died before that he was the most hated driver on the track he rammed into everybody on the track that tried to pass
My friend told me about this funny race a few days ago😂
Prost the young driver was on pole in this "obviously just for fun race", but was soon pushed off the track by a e~ven younger driver. "Race for fun? No, I race for the win." His name is Aryton Senna.
Senna needed this opportunity to improve himself that's why he was so dedicated and was serious. Maybe this incident was the start of the rivalry between Senna and Prost
"If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver"
Senna crashed into Prost wich went off into the sand .everyone Always protecting Senna 🤮 Prost would’ve won otherwise I am sure ..
@@ThaDutchDK1989 That's correct. It's very funny how people says they are atonished about how Senna could won this race. "Nobody wanted this win as much as Senna", he says on the video. It should be that way. He pushed out of the track both Prost and Lauda. And the poor John Watson, who was storming through the track to win the race, had an engine failure. Senna wasn't at all the fastest. But people loves to think whatever they love to think, even against the timings and the reality.
And if I remember correctly, Marlboro asked Prost to bring Senna from the airport to the track together, first time they met
Peak Senna and peak Schumacher in identical machinery would have been amazing, especially having the two rain masters together in a wet race.
Yep, what a shame we never got to see them really battle it out 😢
The Most Legendary Battle That Never Happened.
@@SophiaLiechtenstein Some day, some where, some one will use machine learning and AI to collect all the data about a drivers personal techniques based on video footages and other material and recreate a virtual driving avatar that you can race against or have them race against each other.
@@SophiaLiechtensteinthought she was one of those onlyfans bots
You mean like the 1993 Donington, where Schumacher qualified third with Senna just .1s behind him, only for Senna to do one of the legendary drives of all time (in the end laping everybody but P2), while Schumacher spun out in lap 22? :)
Lauda climbing from 14th to 2nd place, without practice, past his prime, sounds way more impressive to me.
While that is true, the "past his prime" part is not true. Lauda won the WDC in 1984, same year as that race
@@uncannysnake Lauda was on average 1 second per lap slower than Prost in 1984.
10 years earlier he was on average faster than ALL the drivers by half a second per lap.
in 1973 at Nurb, driving a piece of junk, he qualified with an 8 second advantage over his two teammates, a monster.
@@gnubbolo So your argument is "was still the best but not just as good anymore, so not in his prime". Fair enough
@@gnubbolo yes but at end is 0.5 upper Prost... it's the final result that counts
and anyway it was slower in testing not in the race
Senna wins lauda in same car in every era, lauda is really god but Senna on some races is almost invencible
Juan Manuel Fangio was already an old man for that race, but he had already shown that he could win with any car (Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Mercedes, Ferrari), something that was never repeated again in the history of F1.
There is nobody like El Maestro.
Senna was a Unique Pilot, he was ahead of his time for sure.
faster, but not the best f1 pilot, 1988 belong to prost, he was better, and score more points,
faster its not same to be a pilot
Prost was out in 1992 because of worst ferrari f1 in 1991
@@tutt370senna was voted by 217 f1 drivers as the greatest driver of all time...deal with it tutt...😊
@@tutt370Senna was voted as the greatest driver of all time by 217 f1 drivers....so he is the best...you can google it.
@@tutt370the french era
@@tutt370 1989 belong to Senna!
Some back stories from this race.
Alan Jones led the first few laps but his car died and gave Senna the lead.
James Hunt kept cutting the first corners just because he wanted to.
John Surtees liked his car so much he took the race smoothly as he wanted to keep it.
The driver he refers to at 9:39 is Jody Sheckter who set the fastest lap.
Although he did not race Juan Manuel Fangio did still attend this event and even demonstrated his 1955 Mercedes W196.
The reason for the first two laps being missed was due to the President of the region of Germany delivering a prolonged speech.
😂 Of course Hunt would do something funny
Sounds like a bunch of excuses as to why a driver wouldn't try to win. It sounds much better to say that the driver "didn't take it serious" and thus he lost, compared to "the driver was not as good" and thus he lost.
Wonderful knowledge drop - thanks!
Yeah, Sheckter had a reputation before joining F1 as having a 'wild style' of driving... was effective tho
James Hunt was the man
This was an epic event. I wish stuff like this happened now but it would never be allowed
People are dying over a driver being prohibided of playing games at home, because he threw a hissy fit at the race.
Driving seriously out of the championship set can never happen indeed. I don't even know how most drivers were allowed to drive at Goodwood reccently.
Ironically, the safest place for them to compete is in F1 lol.
@rigel8755 it's not the games itself, it's the concern over lack of sleep I would think
@@Itsallfun3000 Exactly, if the people responsible for him were concerned about lack of sleep, there's no way they would even consider letting him compete outside of F1. These guys can't even eat a big mac ffs. It's babysitting at its finnest.
@@rigel8755 😅 I tell you something. Piastri and the gang celebrated his first win by going to McDonald's. They discussed it on midweek motorsport last week
And some of the drivers' egos prevent them from competing.
I think nowdays Top Gear's "Reasonably priced car" was the only opportunity to see F1 drivers driving the same car.
Yes, but with the conditions being all over the place, it's somewhat misleading.
As much as I love the trio Top Gear was never supposed to be taken seriously. But I do agree it is the closest thing we'll ever get with driver contracts getting more and more complicated
Race of champions still a thing seach it up ..but most current drivers have to much ego to go there..but some did vettel ,kubica,and others champion like jimmy johnson or sebastien loeb it hapoen every year around december
I agree. The last f1 driver was Daniel Riccardo who was .7 seconds faster than 2nd place, Lewis Hamilton. However, Ben Collin, the Stig, did say the last corner was heavily changed at some point which allowed for faster times. The doesn’t take away from Daniel’s sick oversteer entry into the 2nd to last corner.
But it's just a show, so they aren't driving seriously.
Omg this reminds me why I used to wake up whatever time on Sunday morning to watch Senna racing and the passion for racing he had.
Senna sem sombra de dúvidas é melhor piloto da história, fora a grande pessoa! Saudades dessa época!
The story with the barrier moving 5mm causing him to crash gave me goosebumps
Watching him driving in suzuka is amazing how could he make such a heavy car bouncing like a go cart czcams.com/video/vKLywfzi0xU/video.htmlsi=2YbJD52aHuxbmAiG&t=84
the story sounds impressive, but leaves out that he already had spun several laps before and was running dead last anyway.
Some race drivers are that way. There's a story in an interview with Walter Röhrl in some rallye 40 years ago.
He can still describe to you the way to the corner with a concrete wall they went close to every year and in which year at which weather ect. a spectator sat there dangling his feet down there where the nose of the car would have been.
He was angry at the guy because he had to change the line to not hit his feet.
They went to the spot after he crashed. Most likely he himself was the cause of the moved barrier.
I call BS on the story of the wall hitting him instead of him hitting the wall, regardless of tyre temperature, rubber on the track, brake condition, amount of fuel in the tank, etc. If he was so precise, why didn't he see the wall not being in its original place? I realise that he probably used a different landmark to decide when to start braking, but he would have to hit that with more than millimetre precision to be that precise within the corner. I have no trouble accepting that some drivers can be astoundingly precise, but get a ruler out and check what distance four millimetre are (surely, he had left a millimetre to spare to the wall before it allegedly moved by five millimetres). Yeah, not buying it.
I used to work for Daimler and probably one of the most amazing experiences was to visit our classic collection which includes Ayrton's 190 from this race.... Still have the photos of me sitting in it!
My dad used to own the 109E 16v with all the body skirts. It was a fun car to drive.
@@AndyFromBeaverton ofcourse all body work, without they were 8v.
@@Bizmyurt ,but the all have the same suspencion geometry,even the diesel versions.
In the 90's and early 00's, the drivers would get together for karting events.
Now they have 24 races and 6 sprints
@@iasonasboidanis3622not to mention the insane levels of professionalism that has taken over the sport.
Last year, there was a picture of Max's family's timing sheet from the cart track. So at least sometimes something like that happens.
Also late 70s you had the bmw m1 procar cup wich had a mix of (ex) f1 drivers and rich af gentleman drivers
Yeah, they seemed to have lots of fun. Karts are more similar to F1 too. It's not done anymore? I remember one before a race where they all ran with the same kart, Shumacher, Alonso, Raikonen.... (Well, I think, memories fade away)
I never was a Senna fan. But he was, indeed, the best racing driver ever.
Looks closer to Lauda
sounds like you are one now.
@@yegorlyozoff310 Lauda at his prime was near Senna's level. Schumacher and Senna are the best ever
The best.
I was there at the Nürburgring that cold day in may 1984. It was more than astonishing to see this young driver winning, and I am still happy that I could witness this great race!
The organizers were thinking how cool it would be for someone like Lauda to win and for them to put his car to the museum. Imagine the bummer when they saw that the museum car would bear the name of a Brazilian that nobody knew.
Or Häkkinin and Senna... oh wait that happened, and Senna did not like it.
Lauda came from 14th to 2nd with barely any practise previously, or none at all. And was actually catching Senna finishing 1.5sec behind.
Wish there was more races like this with equal, not so powerful road cars for example, would be amazing to see the current grid head to head like that
Have in mind that Senna had only 4 races in F1 at that time, he was just a rookie while Lauda was already a world champion
Have in mind this 190e isn’t a F1 car 🤦♂️😂
@@ThaDutchDK1989 When I said to have in mind that Senna had only 4 races and Lauda was already a champion, it is to show the huge difference in experience between them. It doesn't matter if they are racing in F1 or any other car, experience counts.
Well nothing against SENNA - a master - BUT THE REAL STORY IS: Nik Lauda was not doing practicing or qualifying! Niki started from 15th (fifteen!) place - and was ONLY 1,5 SECONDS BEHIND SENNA THEN AT THE FINISH! IN THE RAIN! ON THE CIRBUIT OF NEAR-DEATH OF NIKI!!! So the speaker here is saying just "nearby" that Lauda started from 15th. SO NIKI WAS THE SENSATION TOTALLY OF THIS RACE! AND PLEASE DON´T FORGET TO MENTION AS WELL: IN 1979 they have already the same cars: The BMW M1 Pro Car Series! And Niki Lauda won the season! Amen!
Imagine how many hours the Austrian pilot have driven the German car in his life…
They did several multi-race seasons of the Procar championship in '79 and '80 where they used BMW M1 cars. Lauda won the first season and Nelson Piquet won the second.
Well nothing against SENNA - a master - BUT THE REAL STORY IS: Nik Lauda was not doing practicing or qualifying! Niki started from 15th (fifteen!) place - and was ONLY 1,5 SECONDS BEHIND SENNA THEN AT THE FINISH! IN THE RAIN! ON THE CIRBUIT OF NEAR-DEATH OF NIKI!!! So the speaker here is saying just "nearby" that Lauda started from 15th. SO NIKI WAS THE SENSATION TOTALLY OF THIS RACE! AND PLEASE DON´T FORGET TO MENTION AS WELL: IN 1979 they have already the same cars: The BMW M1 Pro Car Series! And Niki Lauda won the season! Amen!
The talk of Verstappen being in Senna's leave makes me howl with laughter. Senna faced off against the likes of Lauda, Prost, Piquet, Mansell, all bad ass world champions. Even drivers like Berger, Herbert, Brundle and Alesi wouldn't have put up with Max's antics.
No mention of remarkable Reutemann, performance, who came from 3 years of retirement and finished 3rd. Senna and Lauda were active, Lauda was champion same year.
I've always considered Lauda's performance during that race to be incredible. Top driver.
♥ Oh yes!
@@CowboyManMusic Senna is better. :)
That same year, a few months before, I witnessed a bit of "F1 history" for I was standing 2 meters from Senna's Toleman at the pits in the now defunct Jacarepaguá circuit in Rio for the 1984 tyre tests done in January, when he engaged first hear and left the pit for his very first F1 drive in Brazil. Coincidentally Emerson Fittipaldi was also there, for his last F1 drive, in a weird car with a Mickey Mouse livery. I also withessed a bit of history with Fittipaldi, for I saw when he did his very first lap in a F1 car in Brazil on a Lotus 72 in the non championship race at Interlagos in 1972. It was amazing that he was driving the fastest and most advanced F1 of the time in "his" circuit, where only a few years before he had been racing adapted road cars.
My claim to fame is Stewart running over my foot in the 6 wheeler when I managed to get a press pass from a friend. It was only a show thing where he was demonstrating it for a commercial.. It still hurt my bloody foot and he did not say sorry !!! L.O.L.........
Defunct? You mean demolished for the Olympics...
I remember Fittipaldi testing/showing off the Lotus Golden Leaf in Interlagos one year before the first F1 race there. I was listening on the Jovem Pan and laughing at the announcer enthusiasm over the car breaking the track record with each lap, breaking the previous lap's record each time. I believe the announcer was Fittipaldi's dad.
Emmerson Fittipaldi was driving in F1 in 1970. He won the 1970 USA Grand Prix after the death of Jochen Rindt at Monza.
Boa tarde Chico, tudo bem com você? Rapaz, incrível... Eu estava presente nestes testes de pneus em Jacarepaguá. Lembro do Emerson testando a topollino, a Spirit honda iniciando na F1 ainda com um carro base F2 e Senna e Cecotto na Toleman. Foi um dia inesquecível, tenho um anuário do Francisco Santos com assinatura que quase todos os pilotos que participaram, e também do Kenn Tyrrell e Jean Sage, engenheiro da Renault. Consegui uma breve conversa com Senna (na parada do almoço) e logicamente seu autógrafo que guardo com carinho. Dia fantástico, grande abraço.
That drive from Lauda is very much underrated.
If he’d started in the top 3, he’d have won by a more than a lap
😂😂
♥ Oh yes! Well nothing against SENNA - a master - BUT THE REAL STORY IS: Nik Lauda was not doing practicing or qualifying! Niki started from 15th (fifteen!) place - and was ONLY 1,5 SECONDS BEHIND SENNA THEN AT THE FINISH! IN THE RAIN! ON THE CIRBUIT OF NEAR-DEATH OF NIKI!!! So the speaker here is saying just "nearby" that Lauda started from 15th. SO NIKI WAS THE SENSATION TOTALLY OF THIS RACE! AND PLEASE DON´T FORGET TO MENTION AS WELL: IN 1979 they have already the same cars: The BMW M1 Pro Car Series! And Niki Lauda won the season! Amen!
Senna and Fangio, the best drivers in the history of F1.
Clark and Fangio.
Delusional. Clark and fangio had no competition whatsoever. Pretending like they're the best ever is ridiculous
Being the best in their eras really doesn't mean anything
Schumacher and Clark were better.
Hablar de todos los tiempos es desacertado, quien tiene capacidad omnipresente???
La épocas cambian junto a la tecnología y no son comparables más que en cada momento historico.
@@HugoStiglitz88 Senna was a team jumper just like Fangio, It makes them look good because they were on the best team. Schumacker left the best team to make a shitty team good. Clark stayed on the same team for his race carrier. Schumacker could have won more if he jumped to the best team like Senna, the way it was He won 7 championships. If Schumacker had went to McClaren when he left Benneton
he may have won 10 titles. if Senna had raced during the time Clark raced he wouldn't have lasted one season, With his driving style he would have crashed and died in the first season, in those old cars.
Senna tinha um talento incomparável! Excelente sua análise!
We don't have much stories like these about the other GOATs, or do we? Senna takes the top spot for me. Literally legendary.
There was the Jochen Rindt era ... and the F3 fixed cars. Nicky Laudas Idol.
I'm German, but there is no denying that Senna was an exceptional talent amongst exceptional talents. Maybe Stefan Bellof would've been his biggest rival, although 3 years older. Still, Lauda wasn't that far behind. Would've been intersting to see Walter Röhrl in the field. A man mastering every class he raced in
Röhrl is pretty fond about Laudas judgement of his skills. I don't remember what Lauda said about Röhlr, but he does remember.
There was mutual respect between the two. (apparent when Lauda died and Röhrl was aked his opinion about Lauda.)
Best, funnest thing to watch is Röhls first full race in the US with an Audi quattro on a city cirquit where he lapped the whole field apart from the guy comming second.
It's in full on YT, even with the original TV comentary.
(Did watch that video 2 years ago. Had such a laugh when they first didn't show the leader for quite some time only slightly mentioning that Röhl in the Audi is in the lead. And at some corner were astonished about the corner speed the guys were doing in their V8's and Turbo V6 cars.
And when they finaly showed the leader (Röhrl) going through that corner he went around 10 mph or so faster through that 90° corner than the fastest of the others...)
Henri Toivenien The driver that made Music with the Lancia S4 intergrale
Bellof was an absolute class act. I was a big fan - back in the day.
@@CosmicSeeker69 Wasn't him that was killed at spa driving a Porsche grp C car
@@nirfz Got a link to the video where Röhrl nailed the rest of the field by a lap?
Senna obviously star of this race but man lauda is on another whole level, finishing 2nd at his age can't imagine if he got the qualified race and battle senna
And Rosberg from 17th to 4th!
Lauda actually won the WDC in the same year (1984), which was amazing as well! Man of two eras
Niki Lauda was only 35 at the time. Tho the facial scaring made him look older.
@@azaph_yt he had serious kidney and lung problems, obviously he wasn't so stupid to make them public otherwise the sponsors would have dumped him. his stamina compared to a healthy driver was halved. Turbocharged cars demanded a lot from the body.
Actually, he did. When overtaking Senna, the brazilian, as he always did all long during his career with whoever driver tried to overtake him, hit Lauda out of the track.
5:55 cause he's the best driver of all time
And Lauda qualified 14th
Fangio was too old
Senna was't the best of all time. He was good, one of the best, but not the best. He was very dependable of his car....While other driver that is really the best,had the ability to win in bad car, and build a team. So Senna great driver,but not the most complete driver.
@@cristianseibriger799 so who was
Ich habe es damals Live gesehen und war von da an Senna-Fan bis zu einem 1 Mai in Italien von da an war die F1 für mich gestorben.
Before this race, there was actually a competitive racing series with all the F1 driver against touring car drivers all racing identical cars called ProCar. It ran for 2 seasons and the champions were Niki Lauda and Nelson Piquet.
Well nothing against SENNA - a master - BUT THE REAL STORY IS: Nik Lauda was not doing practicing or qualifying! Niki started from 15th (fifteen!) place - and was ONLY 1,5 SECONDS BEHIND SENNA THEN AT THE FINISH! IN THE RAIN! ON THE CIRBUIT OF NEAR-DEATH OF NIKI!!! So the speaker here is saying just "nearby" that Lauda started from 15th. SO NIKI WAS THE SENSATION TOTALLY OF THIS RACE! AND PLEASE DON´T FORGET TO MENTION AS WELL: IN 1979 they have already the same cars: The BMW M1 Pro Car Series! And Niki Lauda won the season! Amen!
@@CowboyManMusic Apparently, Niki Lauda and his team boss Bernie Ecclestone made a deal that Niki could keep the M1 if he won the title, which Niki promptly did. So Niki waited for Bernie to deliver the car but it never came...
This used to happen all the time with the IROC series. You had the best drivers from all series competing in identical cars.
Yep, this is exactly the series I was thinking of as well. Boy, I miss it.
If I remember correctly, the people at Mercedes where disappointed that Senna won, because they hoped that a big name would win so they could show off the car at shows etc. In hind sight, Senna was the best winner we could imagined. This may also be the reason why both cars of Senna and Lauda where preserved, because Lauda was one of the big names they wanted and came in second.
I never get tired of seeing this footage
Their loss. He became the man of Honda and even helped them perfect their cars.
It looks like Jimmy Clark s driving !!
Never forcing the car allways on an ideal line like a sliding carpet..
Tks for the sharing . Never seen or heard something abt this race !!
And about Clark, don't forget going faster than everybody else. The cars were no more than 4 wheels, an engine and a driver seat!
if anything else was to be said or proven about Ayrton Senna, I think this was it.... I´ve just loved to see a young Fangio competing against him to see what happened, but it is clear that no other driver came or comes close to Ayrton still today. the way he understood the machine, made it perform to its absolute limit and his unparallel desire to win, made him the best pilot of all times.
Senna drove by feeling, he felt the car like no one else, which is why he adapted so quickly to any car and any scenario.
Spending a couple of days practicing before the race in a similar model Mercedes also helped....
@@fablewallsStill the most talented. Stop the hate on him.
@@elmarcianito4805 How is that hate? Facts are not hate.
@@fablewallsSenna fans always quickly get offended if you say even the slightest thing against their "god", even when its facts.
Nice video Scott. But those 190E’s weren’t any ordinary 190E’s, they were the special 190E 2.3-16v cars, engines Mercedes developed in partnership with Cosworth. This was the car Mercedes developed to take the fight to BMW’s mighty M3 in the German DTM Championship.
So these were very special 190E’s and prices of these cars today highlight that. A Mercedes 190E Cosworth back in the day was basically a Super Saloon. 😎
Too right mate,I worked on them at Mercedes Benz, absolutely beautiful cars,they had special colour coded aero kits,hot 2.3lt eng's and g/boxes and suspension etc.The Cosworth Merc 190's sounded great as well and they went really quick also.I think they were about $15-20 grand($au) over a standard 190 Merc.A great car with no Mercedes Cosworth or modern equivalent type of Sports car made by them now!🇦🇺🫡
@@BenjaminRowe-hc7uo Hey mate, thanks for sharing your experience working on those engines. Hopefully you had plenty of chances to get the cars out on a road test back in the day. Absolutely loved them and would love to have one in my dream garage! 😎
суперседан с 185лс? )))) хонда интегра тех годов выдавала 200 с 1.8. сивик 160 с 1.6. а ехали они куда интереснее. тойота левин 1.6 170 сил, 6.5 до сотни ))))
Yeah it actually annoyed me when he made out that they were just ordinary 190E’s with some “modifications” when they were anything but🤣 They were 190E Cosworths, BMW M3 competitors so they were a mighty performance car to begin with for the standard of the day.
@@BenjaminRowe-hc7uo суперседан с 185лс? )))) хонда интегра тех годов выдавала 200 с 1.8. сивик 160 с 1.6. а ехали они куда интереснее. тойота левин 1.6 170 сил, 6.5 до сотни ))))
A 57 year old Phil Hill qualified 10th and finished 12th in that race, ahead of younger drivers like Proust, DeAngeles, and Laffite. John Surtees qualified 9th and finished 11th. He was 50. Surtees and Hill are for my money the two most underrated drivers of all time.
@@sergiobadaro7099 By lots of people. Even Surtees gets respect for being a motorcycle and F1 champion but few people fully appreciate how good he was in a car. Hill is practically never mentioned in such discussions
"Underrated?" How? Two F1 world champions. Hill is one of only two American F1 champions and Surtees was an F1 champion, a motorcycle Grand Prix champion and a TT winner. They're legends of motorsports.
@@MichaelG1986 Yes they are, but few people know who Hill is and Surtees doesn't get enough credit for how great of a driver he was and is just credited for winning on two and four wheels. You may not underrate them but many do.
50? I can tell you something i wittnessed in the early 2000's so when he was way older:
There is a certain clasic car rallye here in austria for a long time each summer in an alpine valley. And John Surtees came here for many years. (even Rowan Atkinson did 2 or 3 times) Most of the time Mercedes would get out some special cars from their museum and let Surtees and Moss drive them. (Porsche did with a few other drivers...)
I don't remember the exact year, but Mercedes had brought a W125 (until the 80's this was seen as the most powerfull F1 car) And Audi an Autounion Typ C (which got piloted by Karl Wendlinger)
If you don't know that thing, you need to look it up: W125: 8cylinders (straight 8) 5600cc and more than 500 hp.
But a huge wooden steering wheel, no seatbelt, just a wide flat seat. Manual gearbox but not with the today common H pattern.
H pattern but the gears weren't where they are today i mean. (so 1st was not left front 2nd was not left back ect.)
And the pedals were also not like today: clutch was on the left, but brakes thottle were the other way around. (brakes right, throttle in the middle)
The tyres were very slim, maybe a handwidth and they had drum brakes.
After this setup: Surtees was warming up the engine with throttle blips. Which sounded awsome!
And then he and Wendlinger did laps for the crowd around the inner part of the small town.
While The Autounion sounded great Wendlinger was quite cautious in his driving.
And John surtees? He did drift that monster on cobble stone, onehanded while waving at us spectators with the other hand!
Thanks to him and Mercedes i got to see a W125 driving and a year later also hear and see the original 722 being driven at that classic car rallye too. Will never forget that.
Underrated is Carlos Reutemann, who finished third in that race and is the only driver in history to obtain podiums in the Sport Prototype, Formula 1 and Rally world championships; and no one mentions it.
That kinda precision is not of this world. The man Senna keeps surprising me to this day...
To shorten 14 minutes, Senna was smooth and precise, which helped him win.
I'd like to add some details to this event if I may. 11-12 May 1984. Ca. 90,000 spectators. Top six qualifiers were Prost, Reutemann, Senna, Hulme, Jones and Watson. "A few drivers, including Laffite, missed practice". The 'local drivers to fill the gaps? Hans Hermann, Klaus Ludwig ('78 'Ring 1000K winner w/Heyer/Hezemans), Manfred Schurti ('79 1000K winner w/Wollek/Fitzpatrick) and Udo Schutz ('67 1000K winner w/Buzzetta). Race results: Senna, Lauda, Reutemann, Rosberg, Watson, Hulme, Scheckter, Brabham, Ludwig, Hunt, Surtees, Hill, Schurti, Moss, Prost, Laffite, Hermann, de Angelis, Jones and Schutz. As part of a "Ford - Sixty Years of Racing History" exhibition a '73 Tyrrell-Ford w/Tom Wheatcroft and a '84 IMSA Mustang were featured. Johnny Cecotto demonstrated a BMW bike, Hermann Lang demonstrated a '54 Benz W154, Marc Surer a '84 Arrows-BMW, Manfred Winkelhock a '83 Brabham-BMW. As part of 'Auto Motor und Sport's' exhibits, a '62 Porsche ('61 French GP winner), a Benz W196 and an Auto Union V-16 were featured. Fangio was listed as demonstrating a '27 Benz sports car.
That anecdote about the moving wall is one of my all time favourite Senna facts. Astonishing talent.
Imagine when you find out he won a GP in his F3 years without brakes....
@@LarsFerdinand Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks!
It is so much more beautiful to watch actual racing, with slip angles and softer suspension where it is hard to balance all three pedals with the wheel. Much more fun than on-rails F1.
Senna is a legend, but coming from 14 to 2 shows how ambitious Lauda is. I'm sure Hunt was one of the people having fun in the back 😂
4:32 Hello,my name is Ayrton Senna :D
The funny thing is Lauda finished second but he actually qualified in 14th! Not to take away from Lauda or Senna (the goat) but that shows most of these dudes were there for fun. Prost took pole but finished in 15th LOL. This would be such a blast to see today. Once a year let these dudes battle it out in equal road cars haha😂
They can all race in the ROC if they want but the current F1 drivers are too chicken about driving equal cars - especially against WEC or WRC legends.
@@paperplane-db8qf I disagree. Most of those dudes would race. They’re all competitive fiends.
Well, Lauda (as mentioned in the video) had TV obligations. He was contractually obliged to appear on a TV show, so he could not attend practice and only had one short go for the qualifying.
Some other drivers did not take it fully serious and "drank a little" the night before.
But when the race is finally on, they still do get competitive very competitive in some cases.
Well nothing against SENNA - a master - BUT THE REAL STORY IS: Nik Lauda was not doing practicing or qualifying! Niki started from 15th (fifteen!) place - and was ONLY 1,5 SECONDS BEHIND SENNA THEN AT THE FINISH! IN THE RAIN! ON THE CIRBUIT OF NEAR-DEATH OF NIKI!!! So the speaker here is saying just "nearby" that Lauda started from 15th. SO NIKI WAS THE SENSATION TOTALLY OF THIS RACE! AND PLEASE DON´T FORGET TO MENTION AS WELL: IN 1979 they have already the same cars: The BMW M1 Pro Car Series! And Niki Lauda won the season! Amen!
Gee, from pole to 15th. That’s not very good is it? Is there any word as to how that happened? No one talks about it, but seems like a reasonably big deal to me.
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lol.
It's not just "a 190E". It's a 190E 2.3-16, which is basically Mercedes' version of the E30 M3.
That's what I thought to myself.
"Normal boxy 190E with just some aero and suspension mods and no other upgrades".
While it's one of the most important 80s sports cars made, with a Cosworth tuned 2.3-16V 😅
This doesnt surprise me that Senna won. Hes just that much in his own league..
Someone like Mercedes or Aston Martin should fund a race like this with their own road cars.
When top gear asked some F1 drivers who was their #1 driver, a lot of them picked Senna including Schumacher, Alonso, Barrichello, etc... I wonder what kind of insight they had to make that choice.
This video scratches my itch a little, but I think it's just the tip of the iceberg!
He was their favorite because they were kids when he was at his peak. He is a childhood hero. Guys in the 80s would have said Clark or Stewart. Guys in the 60s and 70s would have said Fangio or Moss.
@@johnkluge3421 what about jeremy clarkson who said his favorite was gilles villeneuve before making the video, but then changed to senna after having to research all the footage? Not to mention all of the people who worked with him like gordon murray etc? they were not kids. Regardless, they all obviously know things we don't about racing, their pick will never be as simplistic as of a normal spectator
@@twitchsheinz I disagree with Clarkson. I am a huge Senna fan but I don't think he is the best ever. Part of that is not his fault. He drove in an era where F1 drivers were largely not allowed to drive in other series. So, guys like Clark, Stewart, and Fangio accomplished things across motorsport that Senna didn't. They also raced in things like the Targa and the Miglia Milia that were levels of difficulty and danger beyond anything that could occur in Senna's time let alone today. Beyond that Clarkson puts too much emphasis on being quick. Villeneuve was amazingly quick but also incredibly hard on his cars and reckless to the point of getting himself killed. That is why he never won World Title. As quick as he was, he didn't have the consistency and wasn't easy enough on his cars while being quick to win in the long run. Senna was much better in that regard than Villeneuve and is much higher on the list of greatest drivers in my opinion as a result. I have a hard time putting him, number 1, however. If Senna is 1, then Prost is 1A or a very close 2. Prost beat Senna in the same car in 1989 and almost beat him in an inferior car in 1990. While Prost is great, I wouldn't put him that high. So, I can't put Senna that high either. I would say he is top ten overall, and certainly top 3, along with Schumacher, and Hamilton, post killer years. My top five would be Fangio, Clark, Moss, Stewart in any order with Lauda being a solid number five.
@@johnkluge3421 that's why I'm curious about F1 drivers perspective, not a spectator. Your "analysis" is incredibly superficial and full of flaws
@@twitchsheinz a lot of F1 drivers agree with me. No driver has ever been held in higher regard by other drivers than Fangio. Literally every driver who ever drove against him considered him the best. Clark’s generation held him in nearly equal regard.
Learn something about the actual history of racing before engaging in these sorts of conversations. You will embarrass yourself a lot less.
Blaming the wall itself is such a racing driver excuse... and then it turns out to be true 😂
yea but if he was so precise... why didnt he see the difference and crashed?
@@mikekadlcak1963 a racing driver memorize the course. They not look every moment, they feel.
I don't know what I'm happier about, this excellent video or knowing that there is an audio track in Portuguese!! Congratulations on the amazing work! Having this track in the 'The Drivers University' playlist would be incredible! Best regards from Brazil. Renato"
SENNA será único, eternamente, assim como NURBURGRING. Raros, exclusivos e mágicos! Corridas q emocionavam.
Senna the GOAT
One of the best F1 racers Sena
Prost faster in the race
Senna crashed into Prost wich went off into the sand .everyone Always protecting Senna 🤮 Prost would’ve won otherwise I am sure ..
@@ThaDutchDK1989Prost would've done nothing lol
If he was that good, maybe you should spell his name properly. Not hard
@@ThaDutchDK1989 even F1 drivers like Schumacher, Alonso, Barrichello said Senna is the #1 driver
How's project inversion going?
This
Nowhere, from the sounds of it
Something about it costing more than projected and would needing a new/more sponsors to make it happen.
i watched belgium grand prix on swizz television and one commentator said senna complained at the radio about something moving in his car at imola 1994. i never heard about his radio message despite all the studies i made on this topic. but i would be surprised if senna didn't mentionned the issue to its team, since it started to broke almost a whole lap before the accident.
I don't know if you've watched this video, but it describes exactly what you said.
czcams.com/video/XwQKKLyqZm8/video.html
Seeing Senna explaining what was probably the cause of his own accident is painful 😞
@@RuanFernandesofc williams was not taking care of his feedback the same way like mclaren did.
The Lauda car looked like it was advertised as a 190E 2.3-16. These didn't just have a roll cage, racing seats, a better exhaust, and stiffer springs; these had the Cosworth 16V head and were developed to take on the BMW E30 M3.
3:56 imagine if he had raced it would quite humilating if one of the current (at the time) F1 drivers was beaten by a 72 year old
It's sad to see that today they compare Verstapen with Senna... as if Senna had used asymmetric braking to win a world championship
Lauda would have surely won with practice sessions or 2 more laps
i mean he caught up to him from p14.
yes he wasnt as smooth but he was coming closer and closer
What about the BMW M1 series, at about the same time, I seem to remember quite a few F1 drivers competing in that.
Yeah he forgot about that , no research done 🤦♂️
Весьма интригующий и классный эксперимент! Было бы здорово , чтобы такое было на постоянной основе
Love how the guys at the back went full "Top gear" 🤣
If Jim Clark had been in this race he would have won easily. He has to this day the biggest win margin in f1 which is 5 mins not seconds. He was also incredible in saloon car and touring car racing.
Good point
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SENNA SENNA SENNA SENNA GREAT MAN GREAT DRIVER FANTASTIC COMPETITOR NO ONE TO MATCH THIS MANS TALENT EVEN TODAY !!!
Relax man Schumi is better than senna
@@anltolunaydonmez7242hell nah... Michael managed to drive even dirtier than Senna (somehow)
Senna crashing at 1:41 is the funniest thing ever on a Senna video lol
1976 - Race of Champions for Friuli in Varano de Melegari: all the F1 drivers of the time on Alfa Romeo Alfasuds Ti, each paired with a driver from the Alfasud Trophy.
The competition was organized to build a school in Friuli, after the shocking earthquake.
It was a great success and with the day's money a school was built which was named after Graham Hill, who had recently died, and was inaugurated by his wife.
The race was won by drivers Arturo Merzario (F1) and Gianluigi Picchi (Alfasud).
Each Alfasud was prepared by a dealership which also took part in the annual trophy.
In addition to the F1 drivers there were some rally drivers, such as Munari and motorcycling.
.. I was 14 and was there, taking photos that who knows where they ended up 😊
Sure Ayrton destroyed multiple world champions in the same car but he never raced against the actual 🐐.....
Crashtor Maldonado! 💪🏼
The minute you said that Lauda came from 14th to 2nd without any practice, and the fact that he is just a few car lengths behind Senna, makes me more interested in that story.
great champions are not like us, they have a talent that is eternal
I wish they WOULD all use the same car! Then we could see that Latifi is the real GOAT 🐐
I have to disagree 100%. I would have loved to see Fangio 10 years younger take on Senna.... Sterling Moss was in there as well....... I don't think people understand how awesome this race really was. And how awesome that leveling the playing field can really be. Senna respected Fangio as do I, but you might have seen something truly magical happen had they both been on the track at the same time! Might have been the greatest generational race of all time!
I know this video is more about the incredible Senna, but I always wished to have been alive when Lauda was alive and driving. Every new story I hear about him, no matter how small, makes me adore him more.
At that time, F1 drivers participated together in several traditional festive events throughout the season. There were boat races, football games, golf matches, parties during pre-season training in Rio, promotional races like the one in the video, etc. Today it is a 100% professional and isolated relationship
Ok, so can you now stop telling people that his throttle blipping on corner exit was to “keep the turbo spooled up”? That was the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, given that he was using that technique back when he was *karting*. Karts don’t have turbos. Neither do F3 cars. And neither do Mercedes 2.3-16s.
And it's not crossed your mind Senna realised his carting technique could ALSO help keep the turbo spooled? No? It didn't cross your mind? Oh well. Unlike you, he was probably able to compute and understand more than one thing at a time. So yeah, braindead observation. Well done...
8:23 Did he do a double-clutching upshift as well?
He missed the gear
Senna 3rd to 1st, smooth and forceful.
Lauda 14th to 2nd, gaining on Senna.
Rosberg 17th to 4th, also gaining.
This is exactly how I rank drivers from that era. Would have been fascinating if the race was twice as long and Senna had to battle Lauda and Rosberg in equal equipment.
Also impressive: Schecter 18th to 4th, fastest lap.
It's a real shame F1 is so commercialized that this kind of stuff is no longer possible. Imagine today's F1 grid battling it out in Spec Miatas...
I remember watching the F1 drivers racing in karts. Can’t recall when but Schumacher was the absolute master. Way better than his peers. It would only have been active drivers but same principle, same vehicle so all about driving talent.
That story about the wall moving is insane. I’ve never heard that one before. That’s surgical precision.
Lauda was definitely DOTD, though!
11:45 He said that he didn't hit the wall, the wall hit him
*and he was right*
For those praising JUST about Lauda from 14th to 2nd recuperation race and trying to DIMINISH Ayrton Senna's inquestionable TALENT, one must take into account that ALL other champions had MUCH MORE F1 driving EXPERIENCE than Senna at that time of this race. The REAL comparison would be from a race at the LAST YEAR before Ayrton's tragic death, against ALL other remainind CHAMPIONS at SUCH time. THAT would be the REAL comparison from a seasoned and experienced Senna against ALL others... The fact that such a Young Pilot at that time, lead Ayrton to WIN, was the final PROOF of his unequalled TALENT, which in the same 1984 year could let him show in Monaco WHAT he could do in a F1 car in near equal condition like the one the rain provided at Monaco's race. From that year on, Senna showed an increasing TALENT that only got BETTER and BETTER every year, the same way he pursued MAGIC qualilfying LAPS minutes before those sessions. For THAT there would ONLY be ONE Magic Senna, and other champions with an overall highest number or poles, did so with much more races disputed, and Senna had his career abrubtly cut in half with his tragic death. Can anyone DOUBT that he would be taking MUCH more poles and victories if he had the chance to dispute more years, if he had not died at May, 1, 1994 in Imola's race, just 10 years from such Champions Race... Well there are two other facts about Ayrton, one that for the very first time he had the chance to drive a F1 at Willians he simply broke the record for the circuit, doing the best lap, with just a few minutes of experience at a F1 car. The second fact is that on a F3 race Senna drove and won the race without brakes, and when mechanics doubted, he showed the cool brakes at the end of the race. The third also known fact about Ayrton was that in the Brazilian GP he finally won, his car had just a single 6'th gear, and even so he took his car to victory. The fourth also known fact about him is that if he had not been stollen the win in Monaco 1984 and had not himself crahed at another Monaco race, he would have reached 8 Monaco victories, and even his final record of 6 Monaco's wins is still Very Hard to be broken by any other living pilot. The final fact about Senna is that even Lauda and many other F1 drivers or champions, simply considered him the BEST of ALL TIME, including Fangio who was Ayrton's Number 1 Fan ! The rest the time and history itself TOLD to anyone that NO ONE after him had SUCH stamina for winning and appetite for perfectioning himself lap after lap. Senna was the ONLY pilot who drive ONLY against HIMSELF !!! And for me the ONLY race he REALLY drived just for FUN, as Japan 1991 GP when Mansell sliped out of the race, and Senna was already champion, without the need to win. If one noticed after Mansell left the race, for the Very First time Senna could PLAY a bit and showed to HIMSELF what he was capable of, pursuing fastest laps over fastest laps at the middle of the race, where he tipically did not need to do so, and even himself admitted that at that time he was freely driving just for fun and for himself, superating his own limits, as he did in Monaco and end up crashing at that time. In the 1991 Japan GP the story was completely other, and those who knew Senna knows that by starting to pursue fastest lap after fastest lap when he did not have to do so when Mansell slipped out, that THAT was the REAL Senna driving for JUST FUN for the Very First time in his career. The LAST and inquestionble fact about Senna is the anthological Donnington Park First Lap, where with an inferior V8 MacLaren he ended not only the first lap at first position, but also the very last lap in first place, presenting a complete lesson of how to drive in any wheather with wet or not conditions. THAT was Ayrton Senna da Silva at HIS BEST, and SUCH BEST is very difficult to be achieved by PAST or FUTURE pilots, simply put. Rest in Peace and in the Very First Place as he left his life leading the fatidic Imola GP on May 1, 1994.
They should do this again with current drivers using audi A3s on the nurburgring again to bring even more attention to the audi f1 team
He also used to pay attention on the wind direction to push harder on the corners when it was angled correct. Genius . Imagine these days F1 how much he would quick those races neck!!! It's turbo era again
05:20 just say it how it is . Senna crashed into Prost wich went off into the sand .everyone Always protecting Senna 🤮 Prost would’ve won otherwise I am sure ..
Guys, does anyone know how I can disable the AI translation of the video? Not just the title, but even Scott’s talking in my native language, translated by AI. How can I disable that, I didn’t learn english to now get a shitty imitation of it in my native language
You can change the audio track when you click on the gear icon
@@deudonils Thank you very much. Very annoying to hear him talk German with an AI-generated Voice. Didn't work on my phone though.
F1 drivers are Madonnas with more electronics than a space rocket !! The real drivers drive Rally cars and I would champion any F1 driver to take on a Rally driver. Senna was different he had a style of his own throttle blip being just one of them he studied the art and was a thinking driver bit like Prost hence they were the better years. Today its all about the car and very little about the driver. Having said that there are still a few that stand out but in todays races Luck also plays a massive part ..Nice up load and thanks !!
even back in the day lauda had huge respect for röhrl, because he raced group b and there are no margins.
You mean luck didn't play a big part when the cars blew up every other race?
In Coulthard's FFS podcasts he says how rally drivers are more amazing than F1 drivers - and Eddie Jordan doesn't disagree with him when he says it.
Vettel and Mick took part in the ROC in Sweden which is just rally on snow.
And Bottas, Kubica and Kimi had races in rally
@@paperplane-db8qf Yeah it's too bad that ROC seems to be dead as of this year :(
Shame Jim Clark wasn't still around to school Senna. Senna himself regarded Jim Clark as the GOAT. Very interesting video and breakdown of different driving styles. Jackie Stewart has always said, "The smoothest way is the fastest way," which mirrors Senna's style and approach. He was superb in terms of his consistency- always very smooth. The only other driver I've studied who was always so consistent, smooth and sympathetic to his cars was Jim Clark- who remains The Master. Senna was a huge admirer of JC, he even visited the JC museum at Duns with Professor Syd Watson in the early 90's. Following his visit, Senna commissioned and artist to paint his fantasy Grand Prix grid, featuring all the driver's he admired and would loved to have raced against. He gave the artist carte blanche as to where he positioned the cars on the grid, with one exception. Senna insisted that Jim Clark be on pole position in the painting, stating, "Because Jim Clark was the Greatest of all......." Good enough for Senna and good enough for Fangio- who also regarded JC as the GOAT........Good enough for me.
Senna 1ro. Lauda 2do. Reuteman 3ro. Luego de estar más de 2 años retirado del automovilismo, grande el Lole.
Can you disable auto generated audio tracks in different languages?
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Senna G.O.A.T.
SENNA THE BEST
FANGIO SAID SENNA IS THE BEST AFTER ME
This format for the current Race of Champions would be worth watching
We also have to remember some of the drivers were intentionally drifting and doing other stuff to create a spectacle rather than to try and go as fast as possible.
Jim Clarke apparently had a similar ability to jump into a car and instantly feel and learn its abilities.