Yeah he played a while but he was only an above average hitter 6 times and defensively, early on in his career he was a bit above average but not great and later in his career he was often below average defensively. The highest WAR he ever put up was 4.4 way back in 2005. Other than that he only put up a WAR over 3 in 5 other seasons. So he really only ever had a couple seasons at best where he played at even near all star level. Is it really that hard to believe that he missed out on the AS game in those couple of good seasons he had? Most people seem to overrate Coco when thinking back on his career.
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Most of the young players who come up and can succeed, take walks. It's the toughest part of hitting to master and guys are getting better at it earlier. Cavan Biggio had similar struggles to start the season but when his avg was .150, his obp was .350. Guys like that will bounce back. For Kelenic, it may start with discipline
He forgot when he was talking about Clemente, that Roberto had the BEST arm ever in MLB history. Stats may not tell the whole truth, as nobody tried to go first to third on Clemente, it simply wasn't possible. I saw him on film throw a guy out from the right field corner in Forbes Field, that is 375' deep. I am not quite old enough to have watched him live, but my dad used to tell me that when he went to Cards/Pirates games watching Clemente would simply leave him awestruck.
By the way, the Carlos Gonzalez segment had some errors. He didn't join until 2009, and that was the Rockies last winning season till 2017. He was a 5 tool player at his peak, though. Outstanding. Coors probably hindered his career alot, running around that outfield in the thin air is really hard on the body, it's no wonder he always had leg problems
the numbers just do not support him becoming all-star level anytime soon. his defense has looked good though, and i do think once he stops chasing sliders he could become a league average bat. if he manages that, he could be a 2-3 WAR glove first CF with big HR streak upside. he’s already shown substantial improvement vs changeups across a decent sample size. the bad news is that he’s regressed against breaking balls in the same time. i think he’ll be a good project for another hitting staff, just not the M’s since they already have their CF figured out for the next 12 years.
2017 and 2018 are the only seasons you can sorta argue that he could have been an all star. 17 has a stronger argument but he ended up getting hurt in June anyway, 18 his season numbers looks decent enough but he was pretty bad the first half. Other than that everyone other season has been the usual mix of lengthy injuries and underwhelming performance.
Until kelenic calms down on the HR swings and double gapper type swing, he will get eaten up my MLB pitching. He needs to learn to take pitches opposite field…a sign of good hitter. Kelenic is a big time pull hitter. Thats why he SO 32% of his at bats. MLB throws fast with accuracy and high level change up…pitchers are yanking him around like a yo-yo. Kelenic should just expect and off speed pitch outside and low and just sit on that pitch whenever he is behind the count and hit to opposite field
@@BaseballsNotDead That's would be a funny video. Cold open, intro, here are all the people with success after 2 Kelenic years: blank screen. Video just ends.
Spent most of the year in AAA with a .922 ops. Was horrible in his scattered 160 ABs with the big club though. I think what will stop him from succeeding is between his ears since his talent and skill are off the charts. Looks like he might get another shot in LF in 2023. 🤞
Hicks was one of the people the yankees fanbase ruined. As you say 2017-2020 were great, 2017-2019 even more so (2020 was just weird for everyone). He had a 120 OPS+, and accumulated value at a pace of 5.2 WAR/650 PAs (9.5 total). For a guy who was often a 4th outfielder/platoon player that is absurdly good. But he had a few injuries and his batting average was "only" .250 (basically league average, and also batting average is dumb), so BOOOOOO and you could just see in his demeanor how down he was
Did you call tori hunter’s defense “decent”. He’s one of the best defensive center fielders of all time? You don’t win 9 gold gloves because you’re decent. No one that watched tori hunter play would agree with that assessment.Kelenic does not profile like him as a player. Maybe statistically. I think you’re going more off statistics than what players are like in real life. Im being hard on you but you got to know the game if you’re going to make these videos and get the pronunciations of names correct if people are to believe you. Keep up the good work bough and I hope you learn more each day
Torii Hunter "decent defence" Really? You clearly didn't watch Torii in his prime did you? Dude was a freak of nature and one of the greatest defensive outfielders of all time. This is what happens when you base your opinions on nonsensical data science that doesn't show you how many home runs Torii robbed players of. Why you are showing nerd data science to judge/predict a players career is completely asinine.
@@BaseballsNotDead not "shrug" bro you can watch Torii Hunter highlights throughout his career, particularly when he was with the Twins, instead of looking at nerd data thinking it will tell you some players career to the point where you call them capable of "decent defence" seems lazy and ignorant to me.
@@BaseballsNotDead Honestly great video man, but this guy is right, though his comment is kind of a bit bombastic. Still, It's almost like saying someone who debuted in '03 for the Expos "debuted for the Nationals". Though ik they moved cities (and countries lol), imo it's good to be accurate & era-specific. Keep it up though, your vids are damn good!
@@tuftyboi4072 They changed the team name because it was hurtful to some people and not because they changed cities or something innocuous like that. Because of that reason, I'm going to refer to them as the Guardians. If you think it's a big deal, a massive injustice, and I'm shitting all over history... it's only baseball. There's far more important things to worry about.
I would have guessed that Coco Crisp would have stumbled into an All Star Game, just based on his career longevity.
Same.
Yeah he played a while but he was only an above average hitter 6 times and defensively, early on in his career he was a bit above average but not great and later in his career he was often below average defensively. The highest WAR he ever put up was 4.4 way back in 2005. Other than that he only put up a WAR over 3 in 5 other seasons. So he really only ever had a couple seasons at best where he played at even near all star level. Is it really that hard to believe that he missed out on the AS game in those couple of good seasons he had? Most people seem to overrate Coco when thinking back on his career.
How could anyone be more popular than Coco Crisp though? His name is just too enjoyable.
Slight mistake on the Carlos Gonzalez entry, he played his rookie year in Oakland, then was shipped to Colorado for Matt Holliday.
Good catch. I'm required by law to have one mistake per video to keep viewers on their toes.
Came back to this a year later, praying he can keep it up
Same
hes winning mvp idfc
@@loganpocius4836just needs to avoid kicking coolers.
@@logantaylor8354 Logan you seem to have got me, Logan, there
this video is actually gonna age insanely well
Lol
@@willmoe2190I mean, it did.
That's one way to put it
I really hope him and Julio get consistently good . Very talented players. Reduce the strikeouts between the two and I think we are good!
i'm torn, as a Met fan I don't want him to be tooooooo successful, but i want him to do well too
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Wow, thanks!
Most of the young players who come up and can succeed, take walks. It's the toughest part of hitting to master and guys are getting better at it earlier.
Cavan Biggio had similar struggles to start the season but when his avg was .150, his obp was .350. Guys like that will bounce back.
For Kelenic, it may start with discipline
He's had a great month to start this year
He’s killing it so far this year!
This is aging well lol
anyone else watching after kelenic is breaking out? i’m glad jared was able to piece it together
It's a third of the way into 2023, and Kelenic is posting a 138 OPS+
I think he's doing ok
I'm here after he just hit the furthest Mariner and Wrigley Field since the statcast era.
Great stuff, as always. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This aged like fine wine.
Love these videos, and the intro music is great.
Thanks!
Nice vid. Was worth watching twice… As a Giants fan still waiting for Joey Bart…
Confirmed Kelenic will be the new Roberto Clemente
He forgot when he was talking about Clemente, that Roberto had the BEST arm ever in MLB history. Stats may not tell the whole truth, as nobody tried to go first to third on Clemente, it simply wasn't possible. I saw him on film throw a guy out from the right field corner in Forbes Field, that is 375' deep. I am not quite old enough to have watched him live, but my dad used to tell me that when he went to Cards/Pirates games watching Clemente would simply leave him awestruck.
By the way, the Carlos Gonzalez segment had some errors. He didn't join until 2009, and that was the Rockies last winning season till 2017. He was a 5 tool player at his peak, though. Outstanding. Coors probably hindered his career alot, running around that outfield in the thin air is really hard on the body, it's no wonder he always had leg problems
Dude's been damn good this year
I hope I am not going to jinx it, but he's looking good all the sudden
I've heard that about 4 times in the last 2 years.
I haven't given up hope on Kelenic yet! I figure he's possibly going to be a late bloomer.
A decent September?! Dude hit .270 with 7 dingers. I know most hope is lost but honestly I think in the next 3 years he will be an elite hitter
the numbers just do not support him becoming all-star level anytime soon. his defense has looked good though, and i do think once he stops chasing sliders he could become a league average bat. if he manages that, he could be a 2-3 WAR glove first CF with big HR streak upside. he’s already shown substantial improvement vs changeups across a decent sample size. the bad news is that he’s regressed against breaking balls in the same time. i think he’ll be a good project for another hitting staff, just not the M’s since they already have their CF figured out for the next 12 years.
Worst career batting average for a non pitcher of all time (min 400 AB)
he literally could not hit water falling out of a boat man
If JK becomes just Aaron Hicks, I will be satisfied
It’s possible, maybe
You'd be satisfied if he was overpaid and can't hit for shit?
Kinda surprised Adam Lind or Aaron Hicks never made an all star game.
2017 and 2018 are the only seasons you can sorta argue that he could have been an all star. 17 has a stronger argument but he ended up getting hurt in June anyway, 18 his season numbers looks decent enough but he was pretty bad the first half. Other than that everyone other season has been the usual mix of lengthy injuries and underwhelming performance.
They were never good enough to be all stars.
Until kelenic calms down on the HR swings and double gapper type swing, he will get eaten up my MLB pitching. He needs to learn to take pitches opposite field…a sign of good hitter. Kelenic is a big time pull hitter. Thats why he SO 32% of his at bats. MLB throws fast with accuracy and high level change up…pitchers are yanking him around like a yo-yo. Kelenic should just expect and off speed pitch outside and low and just sit on that pitch whenever he is behind the count and hit to opposite field
Albert Pujols Has Less Strikeouts In Fact Pujols Never Struck Out 100 Times In An Season
That pronunciation of "Gaston" is making me cringe.
How about the success rate after 2 horrendous seasons?
Can we get a part 2 on this? :)
Part 2 would be a lot shorter... pretty much nobody.
@@BaseballsNotDead That's would be a funny video. Cold open, intro, here are all the people with success after 2 Kelenic years: blank screen. Video just ends.
Spent most of the year in AAA with a .922 ops. Was horrible in his scattered 160 ABs with the big club though. I think what will stop him from succeeding is between his ears since his talent and skill are off the charts. Looks like he might get another shot in LF in 2023. 🤞
@@BaseballsNotDead well so far Kelenic is is the only one on that list. He's been great so far.
I think it would help kelenic if he had stayed been put at triple a for a while after he originally struggled in his first call up
bro look at him going now
I sure hope so. I picked up his rookie auto in hopes he does!
This has aged quite well! 😂😂
Aging quite well
A year later and he’s slugging .598
Guess what, you may be right
Aaron hicks has speed and can defend with speed imo
This video is aging well now
This video has aged
Hicks was one of the people the yankees fanbase ruined. As you say 2017-2020 were great, 2017-2019 even more so (2020 was just weird for everyone). He had a 120 OPS+, and accumulated value at a pace of 5.2 WAR/650 PAs (9.5 total). For a guy who was often a 4th outfielder/platoon player that is absurdly good. But he had a few injuries and his batting average was "only" .250 (basically league average, and also batting average is dumb), so BOOOOOO and you could just see in his demeanor how down he was
No he had an even worse second season
Kelenic’s probably won’t last another 3 year.
Did you call tori hunter’s defense “decent”. He’s one of the best defensive center fielders of all time? You don’t win 9 gold gloves because you’re decent. No one that watched tori hunter play would agree with that assessment.Kelenic does not profile like him as a player. Maybe statistically. I think you’re going more off statistics than what players are like in real life. Im being hard on you but you got to know the game if you’re going to make these videos and get the pronunciations of names correct if people are to believe you. Keep up the good work bough and I hope you learn more each day
The way you pronounce Cito Gaston is embarrassing lol
Torii Hunter "decent defence" Really? You clearly didn't watch Torii in his prime did you? Dude was a freak of nature and one of the greatest defensive outfielders of all time. This is what happens when you base your opinions on nonsensical data science that doesn't show you how many home runs Torii robbed players of. Why you are showing nerd data science to judge/predict a players career is completely asinine.
"Why you are showing nerd data science to judge/predict a players career"
Because this is a baseball analytics focused channel.
@@BaseballsNotDead Which obviously told you nothing about Torii Hunter...
@@danielsarn3823 Shrug
@@BaseballsNotDead not "shrug" bro you can watch Torii Hunter highlights throughout his career, particularly when he was with the Twins, instead of looking at nerd data thinking it will tell you some players career to the point where you call them capable of "decent defence" seems lazy and ignorant to me.
@@danielsarn3823 Shrug.
9:08 his rookie year was with the Cleveland Indians ....stop trying to change history ...thumbs down for you!
shrug
@@BaseballsNotDead Honestly great video man, but this guy is right, though his comment is kind of a bit bombastic. Still, It's almost like saying someone who debuted in '03 for the Expos "debuted for the Nationals". Though ik they moved cities (and countries lol), imo it's good to be accurate & era-specific. Keep it up though, your vids are damn good!
@@tuftyboi4072 They changed the team name because it was hurtful to some people and not because they changed cities or something innocuous like that. Because of that reason, I'm going to refer to them as the Guardians. If you think it's a big deal, a massive injustice, and I'm shitting all over history... it's only baseball. There's far more important things to worry about.
@@BaseballsNotDead it wasn’t hurtful to anyone. It’s just p.r.
@@Dman425 The name wasn't. The imagery, iconography, and everything else with the branding, was.