Star Trek: 10 Things We Now Know About The Breen
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I can't be the only one who thinks they just reused the Leia bounty hunter mask for the design of the Breen mask.
Everyone thought that back then. There used to be a ton of hate for ds9 in the 90s too on forums so that went on for a while lol
@kanaric Every time I see that mask, I'm like, "Whoa! What's Leia doin here? Did the Breen kidnap Han?"
Lol. I always thought that also.
The new Breen helmet reminds me of the helmets off Isaac's various suits in the Dead Space games.
I have been looking for an answer to this since the Breen first appeared ~1995. So far as I can tell, there has never been any official acknowledgement that the Breen design was based on the ROTJ design, but a few people who claim to have insider knowledge have said on forums that it was an intentional homage. Maybe someone got the lawyers nervous enough to put out a memo never to talk about it.
Just realized the idea that Breen can be at least partially "liquid" may explain why the Breen immediately gain such good standing with the Dominion when they join up, deseating the Cardassians as the primary Alpha Quadrant member race.
At least it probably gives the Founders, a species they can slightly better relate to.
Dose this mean the Breen are evolving into something akin to the Founders? Is this what the Founders were like when they were once Solids ?
however culturally they are the polar opposite: The Founders mostly live as a collective, while the Breen seam to be some of the most egoistic species in the Galaxy.
Honestly, that line of Ruhn about "evolving past" made me wonder if the Breen had perhaps done genetic tampering to evolve into the liquid form in the last 800 years, especially if they retained any alliance with the Founders.
@@toddfraser3353 Well, simply being a non-Humanoid would accomplish that yeah.
One of the old theories about the Breen is that they're made of chemicals that are only solid in very low temperatures so when their refrigeration suit is removed, their bodies melt/evaporate and that's why no one knows what they look like.
I like that theory it makes sense the solid form looks a bit lazy to me and thr liquid form looks pretty cool to me
Or a defense mechanism against capture that kills/disintigrated when dead.
That isn't that far off from what they ended up doing with them. It also makes sense as to why they would side with the shape shifters in ds9. They relate to them in many ways.
They could have easily made a supercooled viewing room.
@@DeathBYDesign666 One super old theory is that Weyoun's comment about the Breen HW was simply that the region he'd been to was comfortable to him. Thing is... EARTH has a lot of places your average Human doesn't find comfortable... Soo... maybe Weyoun saw an environment that's the warm part of the planet, and not the part the Breen actually feel comfortable in?
I just had a good laugh at the idea of the breen being "space ducks" because of the mask, imagine that reveal, helmet comes off, and it's howard the duck all over again!! :P
(I have not seen all Guardians of the Galaxy movies so this is what i know right now): He is in guardians of the Galaxy, so he (Howard the Duck)/the space ducks could perhaps show up in Star Trek. I think if it would be interesting to see someone have a mask and when taking it of does not look like what one would expect. Like have two noses.. If a Vogon had a helmet i guess it would not really be that shocking of a reveal.
The Vorta actually says, ‘no one knows (why they are in refrigeration suites)’. ‘They are very mysterious’, and ‘they are full of surprises’.
The biggest easter egg of them all would be if L'ak said "Just relax for a moment. You're free of the carbonite." with the helmet on.
EWWW No... Get that dead Disney rat outta here :D
8:33 "musicians resupply hub". 😂
Breen Guitar Center! 🎸
Glad I wasn't the only one who heard it....thought I was going crazy for a minute there
@@DrFeelGoodHelpDesk Captions confirm it. XD
@@peabody1976 I'd sign up for that:-)
Took me a second to realize he meant to say "munitions"
It's difficult to believe that the Breen could've fought other species without their enemies taking a few corpses to study. Unless their bodies immediately disappear for some reason, and I don't think disintegrating like a vampire is likely, or they are some how out of phase with reality, then the wider universe was going to learn what a Breen looks like pretty quickly.
Now before there were any hostilities, I find it very plausible that the Breen used the refrigeration suits as an encounter suit with but in misdirection. Eventually the truth would come out, but for an insular culture, it's a believable strategy.
When I heard that the Breen were being damasked, I was very disappointed. I personally liked the mystery surrounding the species, and I think that Trek should've kept the viewers in suspense even if everything about the Breen became common knowledge in universe. Suits and helmets could've just been a cultural thing, and their speech should've always remained digitized and distorted for the viewers even if everyone else was holding a conversation with a Breen on screen. It could've been a fun quirk of the species.
Yes, the mystery made the appeal for the species, but since I haven't seen any of these reveal episodes, I will refrain from further comment
It could be something built into their suits that disintegrates them when the suit is forcibly opened or removed. Like a salt capsule if they're "slug like"
We know from star trek lore that the founders genetically engineered the Jem Hadar, and evolved the Vorta. Maybe the Breens less solid form was a gift to their genetic line by the Founders for joining the war and attacking Earth.
Or maybe the Breen are an offshoot race of founders, like Romulans to Vulcans?
8:33 You can just imagine the horror across Kellerun as the Breen descended, stores of percussion and horn and string instruments where family homes once stood.
Always wanted to see Daft Punk in Star Trek.
Always thought the Breen were a bit too .. bland for *_Daft Punk_* ,more like a bargain basement Cylon (because the lighted "eye slit" in their helmets) ...
Am I the only one that's ever noticed that the breen masks from Deep Space Nine look very similar to the mask that Princess Leia wore in Star Wars Return of the Jedi
Hello!!! BINGO!!! YEEES!!
Nope
no everyone of the friends i lived with at the time it came out said the same thing we were always thinking is this trying to say the the two show are somehow linked
I'm just noting the extreme similarities in the helmets that is all
I was thinking the same thing.
Maybe Kira and Dukat raided equipment lockers for the uniforms the wore, rather than actually take them off of soldiers?
I know the novels aren't considered canon, but I always preferred the Typhon Pact take on the Breen, where the suits are generic to hide the identity of those within, who are actually a multitude of species all part of the Breen Confederacy. The story I read involved Bashir and Ezri meeting Breen separatists who wanted to live without their suits and establish relations with the Federation. One of them was described as very wolf-like, the way Caitians are cat-like
After reading that, the actual reveal of the Breen in Discovery has been kind of...underwhelming
100% agree. Though it's still possible this could be the case, as we're only seeing one faction on Disco.
Yeah. Discovery ruined the Breen. Made them the most generic aliens ever. "Liquid?" No, they're the exact same but translucent.
And we already had a good liquid species... The founders/odo
I screamed when it was revealed Elias was a Breen!!! So wild, I never expected THAT to be the face of the Breen. (I was hoping for a fox face, but the fluid face is SO cool.)
As always, thank you so very much Seán, Jack, Tom and the rest of the folks at TrekCulture, for the videos.
I especially appreciate the Breen "deep dive."
I also got a laugh out of Seán's shirt.
I also liked your conversation ("interview") with Elias Toufexis. Didn't he say something about thinking a Breen disappeared when they died?
And thank you. So many points I'd either forgotten or just didn't pickup on.
kinda want that tshirt
The wear refrigeration suits, because their homeworld was quite nice, while it probably used to be more like Andoria. Being more temperate would mean for them like Earth turning into Arrakis for us. ANd while they can survive and even might have the ability to be comfortable in higher temperatures, they certainly can retain certain advanced abilities only in the cold.
Makes sense now why the founders found them worthy of being respected even when they weren't around! They see them as similar to themselves, like a young version of their species, leaving the solid form behind
Really enjoyed this explanation video for such a mysterious race. Well done.
Worf could still be right... in a sense. It is still possible that breen in "jelly mode" when dying could theoretically decompose ultra quickly. Like a water bubble being popped and immediately splashing down to a puddle of liquid. To a linguistically floral Worf, that probably would be more metaphorical "nothing" than tangible nothing. As Worf IS known to do.
This has Breen a long time coming.
The puns, OMG, the puns! Hahahahaha.
METAL MACHINE MUSIC!!!!! Yes! Ya i'm crazy enough to listen to it every know and then. Sounds like birds trying to sing in some persian circus.
Thats my latinum UP for the month.
I love the thought of the Breen using the planet Kelleran as a 'musicians' resupply depot! See 8:30👽🖖🏻🤣🤣🤣
I don`t get the joke (i know, that is something one should never admit on the internet of all places LOL)
If you go to the 8:30 mark of the video, Sean is trying to say that the Breen were using Rainer's home planet of Kelleran as a munitions depot, but instead he says musicians...I had to go back and hear it again myself...
The brine. 😂😂 That guy looked pickled😅 And... And they are full of vinegar 😂 Ok I'll leave now.
@5:55 “Breen with envy!
Solid form is inflexible! [prefers to stay fluid inside a rigid exosuit]
Your Tshirt is awesome!
Sure is!
Breen there, done that. Sorry, couldn't resist. 💪🙂👍
They like lime flavored Jell-O? 🤔😅
Epic shirt lol 😆
Cool 😎... Thanks Sean😊
"Primarchs" and "Imperium" are words you normally hear in the Warhammer 40K universe. There's also a Ready Room segment with Elias in which he can be seen wearing an interesting pendant...
I still like how they dealt with the whole Breen situation in the expanded universe novels, where the Breen were not a single species, but a confederacy of ... five, I think? ... distinct races. Their society considered it taboo to reveal your "actual" species, so the suits they wear were intentionally made to disguise any distinct characteristics, or in some cases (like the snout) make it appear that all Breen have them, when it was only one of the species that does. I think that was a neat way of dealing with all the intentionally confusing and contradictory information we had on them.
They went from Leia Bounty Hunter to Mortal Kombat cyber ninja
Cyber Noob Saibot
Kinda fits with the 2 faces, and Noob & his shadow. Also the cold, where he was Sub-Zero.
@@tetravega567 huh, that’s a fun comparison
@@Cdr2002 A bunch of actors have also appeared in both Star Trek, and Mortal Kombat
@@tetravega567 a bunch? I know Jeri Ryan played Sonya in that crappy live action show, and obviously Fred Tatasciore is in everything, but I can’t remember any other shared actors between the two franchises. I’d be very interested in hearing more about this!
@@Cdr2002 Mortal Kombat 1995 Film
Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa - Shang Tsung (Played Court Bailiff in Pilot TNG episode "Encounter at Farpoint")
Jeff Imada - A Double for Chris Casamassa/Scorpion (Stunt Double for George Takei in ST: VI)
Loyd Kino - Liu Kang's Grandfather (Played Wu in TOS episode "The Omega Glory")
Frank Welker - Shao Kahn voice (Voiced Spock's screams in ST: III, an alien in VOY episode "Nothing Human", and voicework in a few games)
Mortal Kombat Annihilation
Carolyn Seymour - Elder God of Water (Various TNG & VOY)
Reiner Schone - Shinnok (Played Esoqq in TNG episode "Allegiance")
Brian Thompson - Shao Kahn (Various TNG, DS9, Generations, ENT)
Musetta Vander - Sindel (Played Derran Tal in VOY episode "The Disease")
Dana Hee - Mileena (Stunt Double for Jeri Ryan/7of9)
Marjean Holden - Sheeva (Played Crewman Stolzoff in DS9 episode "Empok Nor")
Mortal Kombat Defenders Of The Realm
Brock Peters - Ramath (Admiral Cartwright in Star Trek IV & VI, Ben Sisko's father in DS9)
Mortal Kombat Legacy
Jeri Ryan - Sonya (Played Seven of Nine on VOY & PIC)
Mortal Kombat 2021 Film
Joe Taslim - Sub-Zero (Played Manas in Star Trek Beyond)
*Edit Mortal Kombat 11
Peter Weller - Robocop (Played an anti-alien terrorist in ENT & Admiral Marcus in Star Trek Into Darkness)
And from Tabmok99:
"Here's one more connection. The USA Action Extreme team had a four-part crossover featuring a "Space Viking" and a mysterious orb. They rearranged the lineup so that you could watch his adventures in order as he crossed over into Street Fighter, Savage Dragon, Mortal Kombat: Defenders of the Realm, and Wing Commander.
The Space Viking was portrayed by Michael Dorn, best known for playing Starfleet's first Klingon officer, Worf (TNG, DS9). Although the orb was central to the DotR episode's plot, the Space Viking character only appeared briefly as a silhouette and had no speaking lines. If you didn't know about the crossover, you wouldn't have had any way to know who he was or what that was about."
With the Breen, can we expect to see more of them in upcoming Star Trek Shows ?
The beak is very similar to that of the alien mask in Star Wars when Leia is in disguise as one rescuing Han Solo. Trek knew they were cribbing the look from Wars. We would even remark at Breen appearing as all of them named Leia.
Probably the same prop. ILM and the Pinewood Sound Stage did a lot of re-using, there's even a pair of Doctor Who's Sea Devils sat in the Moss Eisely Cantina.
@@DarthAzabrush No, put them side by side. They're definitely different props.
The Breen have a prophecy about a coming savior the so-called Neil Breen.
The Mua'd'Breen, if you will? XD
Also, The Brean (sic) and Burnham do patch things up and can be found a few miles apart on the Somerset coast.
bdm tss!
Thanks, Sean! 😘🖖
Would love for another show to be set in this era of Trek. I think there are so many cool possibilities and stories to explore.
I love that the Breen are a more fluidic race. I think it might be somewhat hinted that the solid form is sometimes difficult to hold, hence the need for the refrigeration suits to keep the fluidic form in a shape that can operate their warships and weapons. I think that's incredibly fascinating, especially in contrast to how rigid their military system seems to be.
I once worked with a Breen. He looked human to me. He said his name was John. 😂
It wasn't Neil? Weird.
Breen nursery rhymes? I thought it was just “ey yoto, yoto.”
The Breen is all that's keeping me watching season 5 of discovery.
Putting the logic together... The Breen are a liquid or gelatinous race that can choose to take solid form. They use refrigeration suits to make them 'solid' while in their gel form. They see this gel form as their 'true' form. Now I wonder, there is one other species that has a solid/non-solid form, the Changlings. They could be a very distant cousin of them.
was I the only one who thought they Breen helmets looked a lot like Leia's Bouursh Bounty Hunter disguise helmet?
I really like the idea that was explored in the book Zero Sum Game, that the Breen Confederacy was a multispecies nation much like the Federation. It could even still be made Alpha Canon in Discovery because it was believed at the time of the Confederacy that it was comprised of at least 12 species. Who is to say that the Breen Imperium did not come about when the Yod-Thot species became the dominant faction? Maybe the other factions and their Primarchs represent the other species of the former Breen Confederation. This would explain all of those "continuity errors."
The easiest way to explain away Worf's comment is that he's referring to Klingons. No KLINGON has ever seen under a Breen helmet and lived, or possibly no Federation personnel (neither Kira nor Dukat are Federation). Otherwise, we have to come up with some other explanation that is less plausible and requires more bending like the Breen melt when they die if in jelly mode, or Kira and Dukat didn't take the uniforms off the guards they knocked out.
There goes the theory that they're all a race of Gary Breen clones
Fantastic shirt bro.
I always assumed the snout part of the Breen helmet was a respiratory Device, like a precooler to keep "normal" temperature air from scorching their lungs.
I liked the explanation from the novels, where the breen was a multi-racial confederation and the the suit and mask was to make a them all the same so no racial discrimination. If I remember one was a canine, a humanoid and a ooze type.
Are we still meant to ignore that the breen helm looks like bounty hunter leia in jabbas palace from star wars
I'm glad DIS didn't simply give up on the refrigerator suit tech. I've been so deeply disappointed with how often the DIS writers simply ignore Trek canon that it's a relief they're simply bringing this in a new direction.
We musicians devastate the planets that resupply us.
Wow
mol reminds me of pris from the original blade runner (with harrison ford)
Why does everyone assume Kira wearing a Breen uniform mean she must have killed one of them and stolen it? She could just as easily have found a spare uniform lying around that nobody was using, a bit like how Kirk and Spock get clothes in City on the Edge of Forever
Since I haven't watched Disco since they blew up Books planet, thanks for the info.
What gets me is the helmets that the Breen wear in the early incarnations is exactly like the helmet Leia where in Empire Strikes Back
WOW
I agree they did find Princess Leia’s mask and reuse it . And the same voice trick as well .
The original breen mask resembles the Star wars Boushh mask leia is known for wearing in jabba's palace upon her infiltration. Maybe that's also why it underwent some changes.
It may not have been intentional, but I couldn't get over the fact that they looked much like the Star Wars guys at least for DS9. I do like how they look now and I'm sure the designers were quick to take that into consideration. I also really like how they've taken TNG elements WITHOUT having it be so "in your face" like Picard was. Don't get me wrong, I liked those episodes a lot but I also like seeing the ST universe built and adding more depth.
In the Deep Space Nine post-finale novels, the Breen were shown to be a multi-species conglomerate culture, who wore the suits to promote unity to the greater Galaxy, but actually took their helmets off in private...
...which, in retrospect, makes me wonder if the writers behind *The Mandalorian* also happen to be Star Trek fans.
Maybe the different factions of Breen are the different species?
@@manitobasky maybe? It would be neat to see in live-action one day...
love the t shirt
I am only watching this for this tutorial, NOT because I am watching that dredgeful series.
I was overthinking the Breen face reveal and thought that after the dominion war, when the dominion was defeated, why wouldn't the federation have done an autopsy on one of the breen from the battle of cardassia?
so Breen are part way changeling, no wonder the leading changeling in the Alpha Quadrant had such a nice time with Thot'gor
IF the Orville's Krill were under the helmets, Due to light sensitivity ect, what a way to tie in another SciFi show with Alt Universe theory and Seth would be happy to play the part since he is a longtime fan of Star trek.
Jell-O doesn't need to be refrigerated. It just lasts longer when it's cold.
I find it funny this video was released a day before we got a new decently breen centric episode.... Though I'd say that the only thing that was added in "labyrinths" was how quickly a human was able to gain more power amongst the breen
" ... a musicians resuply hub."? So at least the Breen are benefectors of the fine arts. XD
Well, they do write catchy nursery rhymes
Daft Punk aren't just benefactors, they provide it as well
And I thought I heard "musician's supply hub"...
Perhaps Kira and Dukat merely raided the Breen's wardrobe in 'Indiscretion'.
Please do a list of space borne creatures
In one the novels it explains the contracdictions.
The Breen Confederacy is made up of 4 or more species. One human like, one wolf like with muzzle, one that needs cold, and one that has a 4 lobed brain that cannot be read by a Betazoid.
To stop any conflict and favoritism between these species they all wear a universal enviroment suit and talk via a communicator. A Breen only removes thier suit in their personal quarters. So a group of Breen can be any of the different races and none of them knows who is who.
Hope this helps.
Glad they brought back the title Thott from ds9
Primarch Rune appearing via a giant glitching holographic head, you meant to say.🤣
My understanding was that not all Breen are Breen, hence the Confederation. The uniform is a unifier as it means everyone looks and sounds the same, allowing for a meritocratic civilization. The Burn causing a societal shift within the Confederation with the Breen Breen coming out on top, presumably due to being naturally more aggressive.
I’m disappointed. The Breen should have been kept as an enigma.
This is incredibly fascinating in the world of Star Trek all peoples, planets, governments, and everything else, now this enigmatical even more than the incredible romulants, than I love as well as the Klingons warriors, I always wanted to know more details of this species Breen could address a little more known to the saga as well as the Gorn, Tholian, Sheliak, among many other species, yet these Breen as I would like Vellings without the helmets and the cold clothes
Wibble!!!! XD
The breen raided the Return of the Jedi set for their masks. That's all we need to know.
the only thing i disagree with is the breen's second face needing the suit, the whole convo made it sound like they can chose the fluid or solid face.
Seán must have a VERY ANNOYING uncle 😂
We also know from Babylon 5 that Breen tastes like Swedish Meatballs
I always thought that the original Breen helmets resembled Leia's helmet from the Jabba's palace rescue scene in Return of the Jedi
8:33 "Musicians resupply hub"? I guess you have to put your spare cellos somewhere.
I'm just disappointed that we didn't get confirmation of Ezri's theory that the Breen are furry
CZcams apparently doesn’t like Breen puns. Literally every time Sean did one, Ad break right in the middle.
That's cold, CZcams
Kira never saw what they looked like cause they died in liquid form and “puddled”
I think they missed out on the arctic fox bit, we've had quite a few feline races but no canids.
I think saru's gf has a translator in her ear, thats how she jnew what the breen was saying..We know this is a thing in the S.T.U
Maybe the Breen are bio-forming (instead of terra forming, forcing a divergent evolutionary branch) to a particular environment that is common across the universe. Cold planets.
The Breen can't beat the greatest poker player ever, Worf, at poker.
Here's my take on why no one has seen a Breen outside of their suits. Because they have so much of an aversion to be seen outside of their suits, they have a mechanism that disintegrates them if their suits are forcibly removed. Think the Chigs from Space Above and Beyond, and there is a precedence for this at least in Beta canon, in the Romulan War books set in the Enterprise era, the Romulans themselves used disintegration as a means of hiding their identities. Maybe it's as simple as salt on a slug, (which is more desiccation than disintegration, but why split hairs).