8 Things From the Lost Era of Star Trek
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- Star Trek has a long history in universe and many parts of it are not fleshed out. The "Lost Era" refers to the time between the ending of the Motion Picture era films and the start of The Next Generation, making up the dates of 2293 to 2364. A lot happened in this time, but it's mostly unexplored so with the Section 31 film being set to take place in this era, let's take a look at what we know of it with 8 things from this time.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:53 Enterprise(s)
01:33 John Harriman
02:51 Tomed Incident
04:03 Enterprise B
05:12 Who Else?
06:20 Enterprise C
07:56 Tech of the Time
09:00 Style
10:47 Starships
11:36 Summary
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That realization about Joseph Sisko and Jean-Luc Picard and their respective ages? Got a great laugh out of me.
Same but I guess as Sisko the Elder was on earth all that time he had more time exploring the fun sides of person-to-person interaction him being a cook and all(also very much and open, energised personality) While Pircard was to business reading books and making aliens angry until they stab him lol
@@bamstarful lol, other way round. Joseph was reading cook books, watching plants grow and checking in on animal farms for ingredients as he mastered his craft. Picard was busy chasing pretty much anything in a skant that moved. lets not forget all the lady Admirals tat he used to date, and the fact he was so busy fooling around he only had middling scores at starfleet. It took getting stabbed for him to buckle down and take his career more seriously. Maybe all the adrenaline had an effect on his looks?
@@littlekong7685also stress and PTSD from losing his heart, jack crusher and the star gazer
@@littlekong7685 O'yeah I forgot about the "Jun'Luc Booty Collective" lol mind you in terms of Stereotypes he's a energetic young Frenchman with that classic HollyWood version of an English accent so it make sense so many(including Q) fell in love with the fellow so easily. while Picard was using modern technology to keep with his not wrinkles, strong body, edged mind! But Joseph was a hands on, down to earth, work until I bleed guy that visited the doctors as often as a Ferengi visits a charity.....so both aged as you'd expect I guess
@@littlekong7685 According to the DS9 Season 2 episode "The Alternate", Joseph Sisko had a fairly long-lasting "grave illness" when Ben was younger, and as a result had to have "several" artificial organs implanted. So an illness sufficiently bad to cause multiple irrecoverable organ failures. That could have a net result of prematurely aging someone who managed to survive it. Conversely, Picard had a severe acute physical trauma followed by a replacement of his heart with an artificial organ. Severe trauma, certainly, but much more quickly resolved and occurring within an otherwise healthy body.
Ah yes Captain Harriman. Did you know that when Starfleet Engineering told him that the Enterprise-B had to go into spacedock for maintenance after traveling 3000 light years, he ordered his helmsman to fly the ship backwards so that the Warp Odometer would never reach 3000?
Yeah, but the B's main computer automatically accessed a Federation Time Beacon and reset the ship's chronometers ahead to next Tuesday.😏
"Harriman! The light-year numbers aren't coming off."
He was fine- He wanted the heat from his Admiral father.
Fun fact: Captain Harriman initially objected to taking the Enterprise out before it was completed. When asked why, his response was, reportedly: 'It could get scratched. Dented. Breathed on wrong, a space-whale could crap on it, who knows!'
I really want to see more of the early interactions with the Cardassians and the thoughts that Starfleet had on not interfering with Bajor.
Me too. They've been teasing a major, if perhaps somewhat one-sided, Federation-Cardassian war for 30+ years now.
The biography of Jean luc Picard (book) it’s a fictional autobiographically book written by Picard it has a lot more n first contact with Canadians and the border wars
Obviously Starfleet encountered the Cardassians during this "LOST-ERA" of Star Trek. And the Ferengi I guess just before the launch of the Enterprise-D.
Also keep this in mind, with the Terran Emperror travelling to this time period from a "POSSIBLE" future, this could cause some serious timeline changes... The Terran Emperror appeared to be "AWARE" of civilizations in the 'MIRROR" universe that the Prime Timeline had not yet encountered..
Could theTerranEmpire have been aware of the "BORG" in the "MIRROR" universe?
I love apparent lack of large windows on Excelsior, unlike Ambassador or Galaxy later on, especially on saucer section. Makes more sense and speaks about her purpose as an exploration/battle ship, not luxury yacht.
Probably also an advance in material science and construction technology. Force field technologies becoming more advanced and normal.
Agreed, its something I don't like about the current design. It was suppose to be based off a sub, tight quarters, limited space, crew having to stack in bunks like sailors on an old ship. Kirks quarters from TOS would be considered a utility closet compared to Pikes.
Not that it'd make much difference when a torpedo smashes through the hull
The Cardassian border wars is what I like to see.
The contrast between a Federation that wants "peace in our time" and only half-heartedly fights war for ultimately expandable border colonies and
the Cardassians Union desperater to make a strong enough showing to deter further Federation expansion into their few productive sectors while being out-classed in every way.
It would be interesting to see the politics play out between those in Starfleet that want to put the upstarts in their place (looking at you, Nachayev),
those that are asking why even bother to fight for fringe colonies (because people will sure comply, when being told to leave their new homes to the whims of foreign powers, Nakamura).
And on the Cardassian side, it would be interesting to see the rise of notorious people like Dukat, Garak's father's rise to the top of the Obsidian Order or what drove the Cardassians would committ certain atrocities.
Am I the first to notice that Picard being assign to the Leondegrance is an Easter Egg? One of Patrick Stewart's early roles was as Leondegrance in Excalibur.
You beat me to it, but I mentioned something. That's one of my favorite movies. Amazing how many up and coming stars played in it.
I noticed that too!
AND HOW MANY TIMES DID I SEE THE MOVIE
E X C A L I B U R!!!!
TO NOT NOTICE UNTIL ANOTHERS NOTICED COMMENT OF EASTER EGG NAME! ( 1981 was a long time ago ( ugh)(HELEN MIRREN WAS YOUNG(still a good looking lady)
But if I had recently viewed it -EXCALIBUR maybe I TOOK WOULDVE NOTICED THAT TOO🖖
5:30 lmao that freaking Nemisis picture of young and BALD Picard
Especially, since his male pattern baldness did not kick in [until] AFTER he got his first command. Think it might have been more stress related?
IKR? Real Young Picard had hair. That's why Boothy asked about it.
@@DocWolphI'm guessing it was a hazing ritual. Tho irl it was the movie makers assuming the audience were too stupid to understand it was him without him being bald
@@AlienIOIandroktone
Now that you say "hazing ritual", it could have been the PTSD caused by his being stabbed and very nearly killed by a Nassican(sp?)
@DocWolph he was a Ensign by then and had just graduated.
The TMP Era and "Lost Era" are among my favorite times in Trek. Best looking ships, best looking uniforms, and uncertain times before all the powers were really "set" in thier borders etc.
agreed
Best looking uniform until they ruined it by doing away with the turtleneck sweater's collar.
Best looking uniform until they ruined it by doing away with the turtleneck sweater's collar.
@commandingjudgedredd1841 💯 without the turtleneck they look a bit silly. And why? Did that save a few bucks?
@@commandingjudgedredd1841 Yeah, I'd be happy for that to be retconned
“Speaking of ambassadors, this is my best segway.” Why did I laugh so hard
A "segue" is something that takes you from one subject to another. A "Segway" is a motorized scooter which takes you from standing on it to faceplanting on the ground.
You were drunk? 😎
In my head canon, the "monster maroon" uniform was being phased out just before the Enterprise C is destroyed, as such, the crew of the ship hadn't received the new uniforms at the time of their deaths. The new uniform would stylistically look just like the modified monster maroons used by the Enterprise C crew, but now with the proper division colors of red, blue, and gold, at this time Red would become the new Command/tactical standard, swapping with Gold for Engineering/operations (as many crews had become accustomed to their commanding officers wearing red/maroon) a few other alterations might be made, such as the pants losing their low tucked appearance for a more loose fit, along with some other minor details to help bridge the gap leading toward the TNG uniform.
Didn't the hologram that Wesley saw of his father have Jack wearing a stripped-back version of the maroon uniform?
He died in 2353 (according to Mem Alpha), so don't know where that puts him in the eras of uniforms.
We know that picard wore the monster maroons when in command of the stargazer at least until sometime before the battle of maxia.
@@poil8351 Jack Crusher (the first one not the newer one) in a recording he made for Wesley, also wore one, the only difference was it bore a TNG combadge, now I also look at it like the DS9 uniforms existing at the same time as the TNG uniforms, which we know were being slowly replaced by the time of Generations (the movie) so the Monster Maroons could potentially still be in service at the same time as my fan uniforms.
@kronosaur417 so did troi's father or adopted father in her flashback epiosde where she found out about her sister drowning. The big difference was the collar was a different style.
@@poil8351 Which (correct me if I’m wrong) is also the style used by Picard and his friends in the episode Tapestry. I think only major changes going forward were the loss of both the collar and the belts (which I would bring back for my uniforms) on the uniforms used by the Enterprises C crew and later Jack Crusher (with Jack sporting the afore mentioned TNG combadge)
Edit: found this, guy has a comprehensive timeline of the uniform evolution right here. Now the way my fan uniforms would work, the one worn by Jack Crusher would fit in as a casual variant tactical uniform.czcams.com/video/lYRuh02DeiU/video.htmlsi=cxyOzfy2zGWMbkHo
The C is one of my favorites ship designs. It's such a great looking ship.
Agreed, it's my favourite!
Hear me out…..The C, but with the same pylons of The A, in the Kelvin Timeline
I agree that the design of the Movie/Lost era are elegant and I really also hope they keep the Marvelous Maroon uniform
I think Capt. Harriman destroyed the Enterprise B by letting it roll out of an elevated garage to spite his domineering father.
I always had a problem with the whole situation with the loss of Kirk. The mighty Federation only had ONE STARSHIP in the Terran system and that starship wasn’t even 100% ready for duty.
Oh I am sorry the Nexus thingy wasn’t in the Terran system. But that still means that out of the whole fleet only one half assed starship was “in range?”
After he kicked the crap out of the fore section of the saucer
Well, for me, I hope to see Lost Era Klingon and Romulan Ship classes and this era version of Romulan Bird of Prey.
The C is my favorite Enterprise... and yet I think it's the one with the most room to do a refresh on since the Ambassador class has gotten the least screen time.
The Leondegrance as one of the ships Picard served on is a fantastic reference (Patrick Stewart played King Leondegrance in John Boorman's Excalibur (1981)).
He also played King Richard the Lionhearted in the funny movie Robin Hood Prince of thieves
Starfleet: one uniform in 70 years
US Army: changed both field and dress uniforms 3 times in 15 years
Also Starfleet: 4 uniforms in 10 years...
The badge communicator was also introduced as seen on the Enterprise-C.
Since Section 31 pioneered the technology around a century before it was introduced I could see the new S31 project bridging the gap.
I’d use the movie uniforms in the Enterprise-C era, but change the maroon service jackets department color, and the turtleneck underneath black. That alludes to the TNG color scheme, while adhering to what we saw in “Yesterday’s Enterprise”. The only officers we saw in that episode were the captain and the helmsman; two characters that would be wearing red dept colors in any case.
The turtlenecks could be interchangeable with the crew neck undershirts we saw in the 2320-2330s, as a nod to that variant, as well.
Same here in regards to the Excelsior class. Not only is it one of my favourite ship classes, the Enterprise-B is hands down my favourite Enterprise.
I would love for this period to be explored more in future series.
Something I would also like to see is that the period between Enterprise and TOS was also explored
In contrast to Enterprise Starfleet Museum covered this period with their ship classes, though I believe some fall quick, I do believe some designs stand up for themselves
I’d love to see an anthology series set in The Lost Era, which highlights some of the important people and events which took place during that time period.
Why oh why wasn't there a frickin' Daedalus class on exhibit at the Starfleet Museum station in ST:Picard...
🤬🤬🤬
@@charlestaylor253 Probably something relating to the fact that the Daedalus lore has always been a mess, as of not clarified, and the only thing canon thing we know of about it is that it existed
Sisko had a Daedalus class starship model in his office in at least one episode of DS9. And it was definitely mentioned in TNG. Also Starfleet did a retro design based on it for their Olympic class medical ships like the Pasteur in "All Good Things." So it needs to be addressed and fleshed out a bit more in canon, in my opinion.
And the show should have been on the air 20 years ago
Always found it odd that the Excelsior class got a refit but the Ambassador was quickly ditched in favor of the Galaxy class. You even see more Excelsior's than Ambassador's in the shows too. Poor thing never got the love being sandwiched between two rockstars.
Awesome video for a Friday after a long nerdy week of data work. Thanks I needed this
They could keep the Officer uniforms, although changing up the trim to be more square or less "fluffy" feeling. Especially the trousers. The crewman uniforms could be changed to "Enterprise"-style jumpsuits but in the TOS movie colors. But I would REALLY LOVE to see the engineering/rad suits return.
For some fun 'Lost Era' adventures, I'd recommend checking out 'Starship Tempest'. It's a fan-show that takes place during that timeframe with the Enterprise-C's sister ship.
Neat. I'll check that out.
The Monster Maroon had several evolutions during its tenure. They ended up being just the Jacket, Trousers and boots, with the TNG era Combadge, around the time Wesley Crusher was born (TNG Ep. "Family"). At the time of Jack Crusher's Death, they had changed to the Uniform of the First Season of TNG. But the Enterprise-C era had the uniform and the large Starfleet badge was a Combadge, but it was also the same as the Jack Crusher Uniform from "Family". Apparently there was a version with a crew neck shirt worn under the Monster Maroon jacket. At some point they got rid of the belt.
This is literally a topic I have been thinking about for the last couple of days. Interesting that you should put out a video on it right now :)
Great video, as so many times :)
Ma-jeh-lanik as in Ferdinand Magellan.
Cant wait for them to redesign everything in an unfitting way
Thanks for producing this, I loved it!
Love the alternate era pike Red uniform. Its a very nice take on the classic look
There's a lot of potential and frankly, a ton of potential fan service to be had in a series from that era. Seeing younger versions of the TNG and DS9 crew could be awesome
Love the Enterprise B
Love the Reds uniforms. Both together are very Naval era throwback and very regal yet to the point.
Both the NCC-1701-B and NCC-1701-E will remain a mystery.
Great episode ❗
Appreciate all your time and effort 🥰
When I joined the US Navy we were still in dungarees, a WWI working uniform since phased out in about 2004. The enlisted dress uniforms are virtually unchanged from over 100 years ago although not continuous, there were some failed attempts at unifying all ranks under a suit and tie design in the '70s, but returned to traditional dress in the '80s.
Agree with the ship aesthetic being the best! Beautiful ships and I do feel we have been somewhat robbed of seeing what became of the B and C
0:40 - I dunno... The monster maroon is the nest Star Trek uniform, after all...
I am totally with you, I love the Excelsior Class the most of all!!!
Really like the new graphics of your 'history' type videos!
Fascinating video
Anyone else want a series following Harriman and the Enterprise B?
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done and very informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Lost Era of Startrek on the Enterprise-B & C, A job very wonderfully well done indeed Sir!👌.
Ever since the Generations movie came out, I have said that the Star Trek producers missed a golden opportunity to tell the story, on screen, of Captain Harriman and the Enterprise-B. It would have been interesting to see Harriman dealing with the trauma of "losing" Kirk and trying to live up to brief, but poignant, lessons that Kirk taught him that day (particularly about needing to take risks if you're going to sit in the Captain's chair). Opportunities lost.
I keep talking about a Lost Era Anthology Show
Star Trek: The Lost Era
An animated anthology that jumps around from Ship to ship telling some of the untold stories. Maybe some that have been hinted at.
Did the Excelsior survey those gaseous Bodies?
Did the B get those Torpedos on Tuesday?
The Battle of Narendra III featuring Tasha Yar and the C?
Young Picard becomes captain of the Stargazer?
Take it a step further where was the E during the Dominion War?
I think its an excellent way to cover the lost era a little and give us some fan service. With more stories from some of our favorite characters.
Great video.
Brilliant, just brilliant! Love to see more of the Constellation and of course the return of the Monster Maroons, I believe it was changed a litl bit by just removing the polo necks, but wanna see the lot again...
Re: Picard being older than Joseph Sisko: According to info from the DS9 episode "The Alternate" (Season 2, Episode 12), Joseph Sisko suffered a grave illness when Ben was young, and as a result has "several" artificial organs. That could definitely explain him looking older than Picard. That sort of thing can generally wear on a person and result in them looking less hale and hearty than their chronological age would otherwise suggest.
The red movie uniform is my favorite too. That will probably never change.
Great Video, would be cool if the Betreka Nebula Incident would be included.
The uniforms and ships from this time are perfect
Rick, if you ever truly look at Doug Grexler's Enterprise-B MSD, you'll find that the ridiculously oversized Engines, which were useless, were supposed to be the Saucer Section Shuttle Bays.
Ambassador is just my favourite Star Fleet ship it just looks so cool to me and like a true missing link between Original & Next Gen ships(even more so in Alternative universe)
When I first watched Enterprise C, I instantly loved it. Now, it's TOS Enterprise and Enterprise C in that order as my favorite ship designs.
i'd love to see a mini series of this era
Awesome Video My Favorite Class of Shar Ship is the Ambassador Class and the lost era Uniform is the best Uniform.
It would be nice to see them follow the basic outlines of ships inside and out, and those excellent uniforms (I love the maroon, most, too!) but let's face it, if they can't be bothered making anything look close to the originals with Discovery/Strange new worlds, when DS9 could do it so perfectly (I even remember them saying the shiny sections in the hallways on the TOS Enterprise were hard to recreate?) the best we'll get is the variant of the Maroon uniform you showed here and hopefully the STO variants of the ships of that time. I'm glad most of this is an alternate timeline! Also randomly now I want to know what the Enterprise D looks like in the Kelvin timeline, too! XD
Love watching your videos, can't wait for the next one, thank you!
The uniform didn't change except for the fact there were about 5 different collar variations and several different arrangements with undershirts.
Lovely graphics 🖖
I hope all this is true and would love to see content from the "Lost Era". My recommendation is to set it 30 or so years after The Undiscovered Country. Then guest-starring original cast members would be feasible. Admiral Sulu, Admiral Chekov... I also would like to see Harriman return. The Fan Film Of Gods and Men did a good job evolving his character.
The maroon uniforms are great.
I'd love to see a video on Star Trek's other "Lost Era," which is to say the ~90 year period between the Federation's founding and ST: Strange New Worlds. Also, ST: Enterprise didn't exactly do a bang up job with exploring the era between Cochrane's first Warp Flight and the Fed's founding having spent 3 out of 4 seasons messing with "Temporal Cold War" nonsense. So that could be considered a "Hazy Era" as well...
This video is an excellent source for creating video snapshots for use as wallpaper in private use.
I hope they do that uniform and not the next step that dropped the collar and thinned out the material as a precursor for the TNG uniform.
I ran a game during this era where the Polaris (a constellation-class) had a mission profile of Crisis & Emergency Response in the Sierra Sector. They would response to colonies that we in transition to the Federation from the Romulans, Romulan infiltration, the retreat of the Empire in general (one of the other ttrpg books talked about something internal happening on the far borders of their space).
They also were seeing a slow take over of the Romulan government by the Tal Shiar. One of the players was an augment, created by the Orions & ruddy, who was working for Section 31 to create a virus that would piggy back on phaser beams (mimicing the Viral Matrix ability, as well as creating a back door into the ship when it would 'somehow get away'.) Good times.
Was already Thumbs Up for the discussion, would give it a Double Thumbs Up for the love for the Excelsior (Also my favorite ship)
Hi. Could you post your setup for your Current STOSS Armiger?
I agree with you on the Ambassador class, Rick. If she's not my number 1 favorite ship, then she's in the top 3.
The Ambassador class looks great, perhaps my favorite design.
This is one of the more interesting time periods, in my opinion. I always liked the 2290s and later, but never quite took to the TNG stuff as readily. So when I'm running a Star Trek game, I usually set it in the late 90s early 2300s. So this was some great info!
There have been some fan recolors of the Magnificent Maroon uniform into the traditional three department colors, and honestly I think they look great.
I'd love to see some of the old TOS/TMP lore. Perhaps something along the lines of V'ger, explore "the probe" from trek IV, the doomsday machine and some other things that were never flushed out from the TOS era now some time has passed and does Starfleed/section 31 explore these things.
Awesome video as always.
As much as I agree with you that since the Section 31 movie is from the Lost Era NOTHING should be changed from the established time period pre Discovery as far as looks for what we already know.
However knowing the producers it’ll probably be a mix Disco and SNW.
It would be wonderful if we could get an appearance by Alan Ruck and/or Jacqueline Kim (Demora Sulu) in Section 31. The actors' ages would probably line up as well.
I'd adore a full-on TV show set during this time. Moments like Flashback in Voyager gave us just a taste, but I'd say it was a good test case for how it could work 😊
If they really, REALLY, ABSOLUTELY must do a series set in the past at gunpoint, this Is the period they should have chosen
I love the aesthetic of TMP and the lost era. The uniforms are really stylish and the ships look so clean and futuristic.
I absolutely love the older era uniforms worn by Kirk during his later years as Captain.
I always liked the red uniforms as well as the Ambassador class ship - like the Constitution & Galaxy classes had a baby. I initially was not a fan of the Excelsior class but then it grew on me.
I would love to see a series taking place in "The Lost Era" time period, as long as it is faithful to the ship designs and uniforms established for that era by the TOS movies and TNG.
👍thumbs up! If they were to make shows I would watch,but ....
For me, as an Industrial Designer, aesthetically the Excelsior/Enterprise B was the best looking of all Enterprises. The C was the most sedate looking
I think the C looks like if you asked for a "default Starfleet ship".
Wow! That has sooooo made me want to see back to back Enterprise TV series set in these eras. There's so much scope for character growth & seeing the reality of these events. Let's just hope that the Section 31 film peaks everyone's interest! It would be so much better than sterile Discois.
I always loved the look of the Enterprise B and it's tied in the looks department with Enterprise A. I would love to service or command the B.
Concerning the Enterprise B there is a really good fan made radio drama that details the fate the Enterprise B and the involvement of section 31 in its loss
I would like to see monster maroons retained as dress uniforms but with a more casual day-to-day uniform that’s a hybrid of the movie and TNG uniforms, signifying starfleet’s transition from the more militaristic Kirk era to the emphasis on diplomacy and exploration in Picard’s era.
The monster maroons were used in TNG flashbacks as a cost saver. Ideally we should have seen a new uniform in Yesterday’s Enterprise that would act as a transition point toward the TNG era spandex.
You forgot the Federation-Cardassian Wars 2347 into the 2350s with a few small skirmishes into the early 60s right before the start of TNG.
Picard being older than Joe Sisko blows my mind. If he was born in 2309 that would make him only 66 at the end of DS9. He didn't age well at all considering people today are in better shape at 66. I always had it in my mind he was in his 80s given medical advancements and better nutrition(maybe I would avoid eating at his restaurant he may not have been joking when he said it's been months since he poisoned anyone lol)
I wouldn’t expect the Section 31 movie to keep the era’s ships/ aesthetics consistent.
The Excelsior class will probs be upscaled and given a gray metallic finish
5:35 To the what now? Are you sure it wasn't to the Lesser Magellanic Cloud? (And if so, how'd they cross the Great Barrier?)
Hey, man, it's Star Trek; it's not supposed to be coherent 😂😂😂
And tbh the galactic barrier is the least of the concerns.
The Small Magellanic Cloud is like 200k light years away. How do you cross that distance AND do some exploring in just five years? 😂😂😂
I agree with you on the look of the Excelsior and the Constitution Refit class ships. They are a thing of beauty. Although, I’ll take Constitution Refit over the Excelsior, though barely.
As for uniforms staying long, look at standard French army uniform from 1827 to 1914.
It was in use until the first months of the Great War after it became apparent it was partly responsible for the French casualty numbers as the soldiers wearing it stuck out like a sore thumb in the trenches.
That's my favorite ship, too! WOO!!!
I feel the same bout the ambassador classes look
FWIW The Navy Dungaree uniform was introduced in 1913 and was around until at least 2000, so some 90ish years.
We do know the launch date of the Enterprise-B. It was 2293.
YEAH Monster Maroons are my favorite Uni's for sure. Same with the ships if the era.
I would love to see an an expansion of starship designs, particularly in the Ambassador lineage, for example a reliant/nebula version of the ambassador class
I would love to have a series set on the Enterprise B!! Harriman’s character arc would be spectacular. As you can tell I also have a soft spot for him
So would I. There's not a single Tuesday that goes by without me thinking of him...😏😁👍
Now if only we had some kind of deep dive into the other lost era between the late 2150s until the mid 2250s. We know the coalition of planets was founded and eventually the federation proper, the romulan war, the integration of MACO into starfleet, the loss of the USS Franklin, and a glimpse of what starfleet looked like in the 2240s. I'm pretty sure that's basically all of the alpha canon we've gotten, stitched together from enterpise and the kelvin movies of all places.
yes, i know enterprise showed 2161. the less we talk about that episode the better though.
The Royal Navy's uniform hasn't changed much in the last century... it's not that unrealisting
other then the fact we never saw the same uniform in any Star Trek Series last longer then half a decade.
Actually most navies haven't changed unforms much in the last 100 years or slightly longer. The main thing is dress uniforms have become alot less flamboyant than they used to be.
True. I'm not saying it's unrealistic, I'm alluding to the fact that Star Trek (especially recently) seems to change its uniform for every show, even when they literally just changed it.
@@CertifiablyIngame Put it down to bad leadership from Admirals with too much ego 😏
@poil8351 Depends on your rank for that one in my experience, watching a Commodore or Admiral walk in the room with VERY gold shiny brocade on his uniform... most unsettling.