It's Not Just Tesla: All Other Driver-Assist Systems Work without Drivers, Too
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- čas přidán 10. 08. 2021
- Driver-assistance systems have become commonplace, and our testing found none of them can sniff out drivers aggressively misusing them. Check out the full story here: www.caranddriver.com/news/a37...
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Create a fool proof system and the universe will just create a better fool.
Driving the car from the wrong seat has never happened by accident.
Thanks for testing all the available vehicles and not just Teslas! Good job
You wouldn't believe how hard it is to find this information. This video is being black listed
Nice job. These videos really help people to avoid buying those vehicles with "safety features" that forcibly stop the ADAS.
And lol to those who suddenly stop the vehicle in the middle of highway.
Used PROPERLY, autonomous driving makes stop & go traffic or long highway drives a cinch.
I think it's a myth that people are over confident using these ADAS systems. It's just the opposite. Distrust is the initial and natural response until a certain amount of experience using the system is attained. Abuse of these systems is not due to naive ignorance, but deliberate risk taking by a tiny number of foolish people.
Words matter too. Most carmakers call it an ‘assistant’, only Tesla calls it an ‘autopilot’.
Trust in ADAS and willingness to pay is improving rapidly. There’s an EU mandate coming up as well and ADAS is also in Bidens infrastructure push, together with EV. That’s why we’ll see a shopping spree in acquisitions of companies who want a stronger footing in ADAS. From sensor makers to HD map makers to software and silicon.
@@peterversteg8525 Autopilot (Capital A) is a Tesla trademark
@@MsAjax409 you could challenge if that trademark was wisely chosen. In marketing terms yes, in safety terms no.
@@peterversteg8525 In safety terms, the use of Autopilot increases safety. The data prove it.
@@peterversteg8525 Consider raising capital, yes. Success!
Well if it's a Tesla, it's on front page if it's bad news, and pushed under the rug if it's good news.
Great job! Was hoping to get feedback on what car steers and keeps center lane the best, and what car is better prepared to take action with sudden objects/animals/cars are in its path to possible collision.
There will always be law abiders and always be lawbreakers. There is no system that keeps everyone doing the right thing all the time. The auto industry is no exception.
Car and Driver: Consumer Report! In your face!
There is nothing that comes close to Tesla Autopilot System.
Great job, that's a proper test!
Not sure if this is true or not, but I've heard that the BMW/MB touch sensing can be bypassed by an orange taped to the steering wheel?
Curious as to whether OpenPilot (most commonly installed on Comma Two or the recently-announced Comma Three) could be easily fooled by the glasses. I have a Comma Two, which is hands-free, but it will not let you get away with looking away or not having a full face visible for it to vet.
Thank you for actually testing multiple brands cars!
I test drove a new f150, and the hand on the steering wheel sensor pretty much eliminated the value of the system. I was hoping the system would give me some relief from the discomfort of keeping my hands on the steering wheel for hours on a long road-trip. Paying attention to traffic is not what wears me down. My fatigue comes from finger, wrist, elbow, and shoulder pain.
Lower the wheel, and rest your hand on the bottom of it, and your leg.
@@fifthcircle1 yeah, those work for a regular roundtrip, but wear thin on long trips and loose effectiveness.
Also, why pay for an expensive option if it really doesn't change anything for the better?
Adas should help in highway driving fatigue.
Consumer Reports just published a ranking of Automotive Magazines.
They ranked Car & Driver 25th out of 24 magazines…they lost bonus points for potentially hurting GM and Ford sales.
Consumer Report was so biased when they tested Tesla auto pilot. Good job car and driver!
Thank you for not just trying to feed the negative bias against Tesla
Thank you for performing this test 👍👌💪
Any idea about which system is most accurate and easiest to use?
I love using the latest driver assistance system in my car. I think in time it will greatly improve safety and driverless vehicles will become the norm.
Well done on showing how it's done. Duh.
Adaptive cruise control + Lane keep assist.
Congrats on the video. I'm an engineer studying car automation and it was very good to get this knowledge
see MUNRO live - Ford Mach-e ADAS.
I had a coughing fit while in the driver seat with Super Cruise engaged on my Chevy Bolt. It kept disengaging because my eyes weren't in the camera during these fits. There needs to be better discernment of not paying attention and having an event that involuntarily brings your body forward temporarily (covering the camera. A second camera on the dashboard would help. Attention measured in one or the other or both.
Someone please send this video to consumer report !!! thumbs up if you agree
I recently rented a 2022 toyota camry, and found the steering unpleasant. I disabled every function I could and still it would try to jog the wheel against my wishes. Example: two lane road, 1 in each direction, there was a bicyler in the oncoming lane, and a car passing giving him plenty of room. I moved over about a foot, to give the two cars ample room. The camry tried to counter it. I can not think of a situation where I'd want the f'ing car to touch the steering. The steering also was twitchy and without road feel, probably from all the crap, servos etc., I felt glad to go back to my 2011 hyundai sonata with kyb struts and shocks and non-cyborg steering.
Hold on. You mean if you put a brick on your gas pedal and tie your wheel it will just drive itself????
Wow! Awesome journalism! Sas it's so rare... Great job!
Horrible. How could manufacturers actually let people take responsibility for their actions? Oh please. These systems are awesome.
Super cruise is the same as blue cruise or blue cruise is updated version of super cruise? If the blue cruise is the newer one go figure the status of first fully hands free in the industry is. We know sandy Munro wasn't so happy about it 😂
this is true however only TESLA tries to insinuate their system can “basically” drive safely only being held back by “regulation” and only TESLA calls it FULL SELF DRIVING.
So I'm confused. I'm not being critical, I just don't understand. When you were in the driver's seat the system would quit if you looked away for more than a few seconds. But then you said you were able to fool the vehicles into driving without anyone in the passenger seat. So the system will not tolerate eyes looking away but it will tolerate no eyes. How is that possible?
Finally! Let’s show the world that all cars are prone to abuse NOT just Tesla’s
That single minded narrative helps NO ONE!
Why don't states pass new laws declaring this behavior to be reckless driving and increase the number of points that go on your license for doing this???
Of course I got the caddy and there is basically no way to trick it.
I want to know how well these systems work not what happens if I try to game the system. Just like I want to know how quick a car is not if it is quick even I drive off a cliff.
My 2021 Audi E Tron can't be fool by weight. The steering wheel is touch-sensitive and you need to have a finger on the outer rim. I wonder if this tech will filter down to all Audis with adaptive cruise control?
You should get the OEMS to respond to your findings. Would be interesting
Thanks for this test ! Tho to be fair, Mercedes uses eye detection in their new models, like in the S-class. The E-class doesn't have eye detection or the latest driver assists by Mercedes as its from 2016. What surprised me, is that the BMW has eye detection as well but it seemed not to work ?!
If you don't want to drive just pay a driver.
My experience with a Lexus ES 350 (2022). I needed to drive non stop Chicago to central Florida due to a medical emergency (20 hours). Flying was not possible at that time. ER in Chicago was not a pleasant option either.I am 80 years old and can not drive longer than a few hours without substantial rest. I used a simple rubber band to simulate to torque on the steering wheel combined with following fast trucks at a safe distance. This got me there with my Covid sick wife in record time. I had to be alert at all times to look for exceptions. Like construction or unsafe drivers. I repeated long distance driving since then with good results. I am looking forward to advances in driver assistance.
This video has a valid point BUT to build cars with so many safety protocols will only cause higher repair costs and the likelihood of more recalls.
I think that is to be expected with newer and emerging technologies. As time passes though, those issues can be addressed.
" drivers aggressively misusing them. "
My kia k5 has driver assist. Best car under 30k period!
haha.
KIA is a death machine on 4 Wheels, ADAS system does NOT stop 🛑 for object in Road 🛣️ or PEDESTRIAN 🚸. simply MURDERS them.
@@markplott4820 Neutralizing idiots who step in front of my vehicle is not a bug. It's a design feature.
So... If you use something improperly, you might get hurt or hurt someone else?
Better late than never
It's not the car industries responsibility, it's the drivers. If they have driver seat sensors, someone can put a weight in the seat. They have no responsibility beyond their control. If they put a safety in place and it's just bypassed, it's the drivers who are liable who bypassed the system. Same applies to safeties on any other appliance. If I bypass and trick the draft inducer on my furnace, I'm responsible when the furnace kills my family from CO poisoning, not Carrier.
If the driver must be attentive while the car drives itself, what's the point of the car driving itself?
consumer report said it would be impossible ahahah
The reason why the vehicles don’t shut down with nobody in the seat is if a seat sensor failed or if someone were move around to get comfortable the sensor COULD be tripped. A nuisance trip will get more complaints than positive feedback.
Doubt it. Most of these systems clock out if it's raining too hard for them to see. No reason why they can't clock out for a broken weight sensor either. As far as moving around, no weight detected for 30s would handle that.
How is cars being safer an issue
Yeah but those don't matter... we've gotten used to thousands of deaths from other car manufacturers so its jut white noise. All we care about is who dies in a Teslas -The media
Did you turn on the Tesla Driver camera?
Tesla has more advanced autonomous driving though....
not sure a general statement like "more advanced" is entirely correct.
The Tesla system has some really neat capabilities, and is visibly improving over time -- but that is not the same as 'the best'.
Excellent, well done!
pretty wild, tried autopilot for the first time today. It's a strange feeling to let a vehicle drive itself.
Tell that to "Consumer Reports" who run a hit piece on Tesla Autopilot 🙈. Even worse you guys should try the Mustang Mach E Co pilot system and you will be surprised 💩.
Muck-e is too Expensive to produce and a EXTRA cost to the consumer.
TESLA AP has been completely FREE for Years.
Can you test them in real traffic?
What a stupid test. I wanted to see what is the best drive assist whilst just being a normal driver
My 2021 Subaru Ascent shuts off all of the automation if the seatbelt is undone.
If you open the door with the vehicle running and in gear and the seatbelt unbuckled it will emergency stop and put on the parking brake.
Next you should test driving a car while wearing a blindfold! Or testing if you can cut off a limb using a chainsaw!
Obviously if you do dumb stuff with dangerous things it’s possible to hurt yourself and others. I don’t get the point of any of this testing.
Way test something no one asked and complain about a safety problem that doesn't exist in any large number. More inpatient does the System work like stop as needed and keeping in the lane. Not if "someone" one! Breaking your law That's why car and driver is not relevant anymore.... You can make that argument to having cars that can go over 70 miles an hour or why should a car be able to go over 70 miles an hour what's next we all take busses You could make the argument that people could fall asleep behind the wheel and no one needs to drive
CADILLAC has the best system this far.
My mom may get a Lyriq next year and I will make sure she has Supercruise.
Not sure how it's the best system since it's only available for certain roads. In fact if you live ANYWHERE in western US you can't use it anywhere.
NOPE, Cadillac system FREQUENTLY disengage and unreliable.
TESLA FSD Beta v9.1 is Superior, ZERO intervention drives , many MILES from home & back.
in ALL Weather & anytime of day/night.
@@markplott4820 the fact it disengages May be a sign it is actually working properly, being a level 2 system and not actually full self driving. These are all currently level 2 so intervention should be expected.
@@ALMX5DP - TESLA is FACTUALLY, a Level 4 Autopilot FSD with hands on wheel REQUIREMENT and cabin camera as well.
so far FSD Beta V9.1 , possible with ZERO intervention drives Door to Door.
@@markplott4820 nope, please look up the SAE standards and research FSD a bit more.
Mama said: "...someone is going to get hurt and everyone will laugh at you"... idiocy, like opening the door of an airplane... why are we watching this? Oh right- Tesla!
Sure. But the others are not calling their systems "Autopilot" or "Full Self-Driving".
Well - well, it can be tested fairly.
Autopilot is just machine and if you want to fool a machine into thinking you paid attention amd accidents happened then you deserved it.
Seems kind of irresponsible to teach people how to trick all of these.
Seems kind of irresponsible to develop a system that can be defeated so easily.
also Car & Driver is GUILTY of Violating . multiple LAWS, and should face FINES and REVOKED operators license.
@@markplott4820 huh? What laws were violated?
@@ALMX5DP - look up your MOTOR Vehicle laws for your state.
@@markplott4820 okay, and then what? The tests in this video were conducted on a closed course or sections of roadway that were closed by law enforcement for the specific test. So what laws were broken.
no systems can save idiots. I would not have any sympathy with a guy who sit in a passenger seat and put a hockey stick in the driver's seat
The Government needs to make a law for all cars to have unified syatem that all cars read each other, than it can be safe for self driving cars.
SAE has levels of autonomy, currently all systems are at a level 2 which means drivers are still responsible for all actions their car does. Would really be no different to standard cruise control when someone moves over to the passenger seat.
The reason you haven’t seen anyone attempt to use ADAS by other automakers while not being present in the driver’s seat is because Tesla is the only one calling their system Autopilot with Full Self-Driving despite currently being only Level 2 autonomy. Sure, Tesla’s system might move up to Level 3 or 4 one day through eventual updates, but calling it by those names right now is deceptive and dangerous. None of the other automakers are implying their cars can drive by themselves.
I think there's also something cultural going on where people who are willing to take risks with new technology seem to be more drawn to the Tesla brand. The names "Autopilot" and "Full Self-Driving" are just a couple examples of the much broader branding campaign. I think the vast majority of Tesla owners are more responsible, but the fringe risk takers cause a lot of worry and real problems.
I'm pretty sure others have attempted to use ADAS by other automakers while not being present in the driver's seat is not because Tesla is the only one calling their system Autopilot with Full Self-Driving.
The REAL reason is because "Tesla" gets more CLICKS/VIEWS. Period!
The opposing $$$ would like to leave out "beta" because well, can't have the truth get in the way of making more $$$.
Full self driving is a future capability that has not been released aside from a select few beta testers. As for autopilot it's perfectly reasonable for them to call it that way, look up what an autopilot system does on an aircraft and learn before spouting nonsense.
Dude, geez educate yourself before commenting. Autopilot and Full Self Driving are TWO SEPARATE THINGS for God's sake.
Non of these manufacturers named their ADAS “Autopilot” or “Full self driving” except for Tesla.
Tesla is the only car company which constantly lying to their customers about the ability of ADAS.
Learn what an autopilot actually does and you'll see why it's perfectly reasonable for Tesla to call it that way, until then shut up. Tesla's Full Self Driving is a future capability that is currently in beta with only a few selected users, it has not been widely released.
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Car & Driver - you are Breaking multiple laws in these tests, and you should get a Ticket for EACH violation, and points taken from your Operators License.
Watch the video; they are performing these tests on a private track.
@@39401JLB - NOPE some tests were performed on a closed freeway, and still VIOLATED multiple vehicle codes.
they should have to answer for.
@@markplott4820 what “vehicle codes” are you referring to?
Did you literally even watch the video? This is a non issue and a brazen false claim. You should have your CZcams commenting license removed if anything.
The real problem is with Tesla calling ita system Full SELF Driving...it implies something that just isn't true...and putting an asterisk with tiny writing beneath to CYA in case of a lawsuit makes you look like an untrustworthy company...Tesla does amazing things...but they attract negative publicity for encouraging bad driving by deceptive advertising and making statements about their products that simply aren't true.
Full Self Driving package is not autopilot. Tesla markets FSD as a series of software updates that will, "over time, in the future", allow the vehicles to "become capable" of full self driving.