I know I already said it, but I love seeing multiple phaser arrays going off at once. Phaser arrays have to be one of the smartest things Starfleet ever came up with.
Prediction: Galor will sit there and take an absolute beatdown (and shrug it off), until it attrits the Intrepid's shields. Then the Intrepid's much weaker hull will be it's undoing. EDIT: Yeap. Pretty much what I expected. There's something to be said for just being tough-as-nails. The reverse was also expected. Take out the shields and sensors, and turn the Galor into an inert block of neutronium, while you chip away at it. Honestly - I'd give this to the Galor! Way simpler to use, and as long as you protect your shield generator and sensors, you can pretty much outlast anything in the same class.
Thank you thank you!! Overall I think this goes to the Intrepid class. The only reason it lost the first time waa b/c of the AI. It just has better shields and weapons. Great battle! ❤
No problem! Yeah there’s a slight advantage to the Intrepid, better shields and the torpedoes make a big difference. Galor has way better hull armour though
Galor wins this 1 for me. Way easier to use, and it's beams are accurate enough to just pick apart the Intrepid, as long as you protect your sensor array and shield generator, and trade body-blows.
Wow, finally a Galor model that is somewhat accurate. The Galor Type III, even before the Dominion annexation, was a pretty good Medium Cruiser. Too many people think the Galor is a single ship class when it is actually just a common space-frame for several different class of ship in different roles and vintage. The Galor Type II Heavy Destroyer is probably what most people think a Galor is. Is vintage 2340s onward. One is no match for a Galaxy Class, but 3-4 can be. That said, a Type II matches a TNG era Excelsior Class and is superior to the Miranda and Constellation. They were upgraded to a Type III standard during the Dominion War but still used as Heavy Destroyers, most effective in squadrons of three. It's primary Spiral Wave Disruptor cannon could hole a cruiser in one shot. The Galor Type III Cruiser is vintage 2362 onward and is a major upgrade over the Type II. It is fitted with new computers, much improved shields and weapons. A single Type III is no match for a Galaxy Class, but two gave Riker pause in the episode "Ensign Ro," and three Galor Type IIIs would outmatch a Galaxy. It well outmatches an Excelsior and can hold its own against an Ambassador Class. Very decent medium cruiser that was built in large numbers. During the Dominion War, they were upgraded with new warp cores, EPS systems that allowed for heavier weapons. They served as cruisers and were VERY effective during the War. A single shot from its heavy SWD cannon could destroy a medium starship like a Steamrunner, and they were seen one-shotting Bug Ships, Birds of Prey and Breen Frigates. New build (during the War, 1000s built) Galors have been called by some as Galor Type IV heavy cruisers that were equipped with some Dominion systems and weapons to go along with their much improved Cardassian weapons, to include launchers for the lethal Cardassian plasma torpedoes. That said, the torpedo thing is a whole other issue....
Thank you for writing this I enjoyed reading it. God knows what to say about cardassian ships and their torpedoes or lack there of. Apparently they have them but I’ve never seen one fired so… 🤷 I agree the Galor is better than commonly believed but I wouldn’t put the type 3 well above an Excelsior, I’d say they kept up with each other. The type 2 was equal to an Excelsior in the 2340’s, the type 3 was equal to the Excelsior as it existed in the 2360’s etc. I agree that its main disruptor is bloody powerful but it shouldn’t be that be shotting anything above a dominion attack ship. I always take the ds9 war footage with a bucket of salt because every ship (except the stupidly overpowered Defiant) appeared to be made of baking foil 😂
@@adamlee2111 There is a really good video by Trek Central that talks about the Galor Type 2s and 3s, drawing on novels as well as on-screen appearances etc. They do really good analysis on a lot of different ships. They really get into the nitty gritty of rating the ships and comparing them. There would be a teleological problem for the Cardassians to spend so much on a ship type that was no better than the most common light cruiser of their enemy. The Type III is clearly superior to the Excelsior for several reasons. The real advantages the Galor Type III has over the Excelsior is that other than the Galor hull, everything else about the ship is new technology. The Border Wars had been going on for 15 years prior to the launching of the Type III and represented years of Cardassian advancements and learning from captured starships and other technologies as well as espionage from the Obsidian Order. The Cardassians put a ton of resources in the Type III program. The primary difference between the two, and why the Type III was markedly superior to the Excelsior Class was that its hull is more robust in general (inherent in all newer Galor marks), but the shields are much improved and over twice as strong as the Excelsior's. In terms of firepower, the difference is less pronounced because Federation torpedo tech levels the playing field a bit. But generally speaking, the Type III should be considerably more effective thanks to its much greater survivability. It makes perfect sense that the newer Galors are a lot more survivable than a ship going on 80 years old. After all, we know the Excelsiors were often torn apart by even older Galors on screen. Meanwhile, we have seen a Galor Type III take a pounding. In "Way of the Warrior," Dukat's Type III Cruiser, the Prakesh had been fighting the Klingons for a while, and we saw that ship take 38 separate hits while its shields were down before it finally cooked off. Regarding the Galor Type III's heavy SWD Lance we see them one-shotting ships over a number of episodes to the point where there is a pattern that has meaning rather than a fluke. In fact, I may speculate that we are seeing Galor Type IIs and IIIs using a cannon with different outcomes and power levels. When we see a heavy beam holing a Miranda or Excelsior, but not destroying them, or destorying an attack ship, this could be the Type II Heavy Destroyer. When we see a heavy beam one-shotting Breen Frigates, Steamrunners, Exclesiors and even that Akira in Operation Return, those could be the Type III. It makes sense that the heavier Type III would have a stronger weapon. Trek Central and others have speculated that the Cardassians were able to master the use of a Deflector Dish as an actual weapon without damaging it. Federation starships have used deflectors for high power weapons before, but it was usually a one shot deal due to damage. If the Cardassians mastered the technique, it would explain how they were able to develop such a powerful weapon all of a sudden. Mainlining warp power to the Deflector is a lot easier than building a big sophisticated cannon or whatever.
@@adamlee2111 The Keldon Type I was about 60% of a Galaxy Class, so a little weaker than the Ambassador. However, the Keldon Type II, aka the Obsidian Order's Keldon Class, was a significant upgrade in every way and one could conservatively estimate they were at about 75% of the Galaxy. They were very fast, robust with good firepower. I would say they easily equal to the Ambassador, and pushing into the Nebula Class territory. The Cardassians used the Orias Shipyards to refit all their legacy Keldons to the Obsidian standard, minus the cloaking device. The Dominion annexation led to another upgrade of the Keldon Class, a Type III that was a very effective battlecruiser/heavy cruiser that could go toe-to-toe with a Nebula.
@@adamlee2111 Regarding torpedoes: The Galor Type IIIs in "Ensign Ro" use torpedoes to destroy the Bajoran ship. And we know the Cardassians utilized torpedoes prior to the Dominion War. The Dreadnaught from Voyager, built prior to DS9 Season 3, was equipped with both plasma and quantum torpedoes. That said, it still doesn't give us any real detail on Galor torpedo capability. The Galor 3s in "Ensign Ro" fired two torpedoes in a rapid volley. Hard to extrapolate from that, but, what we know of the Galor Type III as a newer ship (from 2363 on) built partially based on battlefield experiences from the past 15 years of war with the Federation, and also with their access to captured and destroyed Starfleet equipment (and Obsidian Order efforts), I don't think it is too much of a leap to think that a Galor Type III has roughly, at least, the torpedo launching capability of an Excelsior Class. So probably able to fire at best 4-5 torpedo in a rapid volley, but not the spreads of like 6+ torps the Nebula or Galaxy can. The Type II might have less capability. But, the Dominion annexation solved those issues no doubt, and we should expect that DW Galors have equal capability with Alliance cruisers and carry several types of torpedoes: Cardassian Plasma, Dominion Polaron and a standard Photon close to that of the Federation Mark VI.
Is there a difference between the centerline Spiral-Wave Disruptor and the ones on the wingtips? I'm surprised the centerline one doesn’t seem that much stronger.
The main disruptor is much stronger than the others, does 900 damage vs 300. The secondary weapons have overlapping arcs though, so often you have two on target making them look more potent than they really are
@@adamlee2111 Thank you for balancing this ship well. The base BC Cardie ships are way underpowered thanks to the game designers taking away the Cardassians' best feature which is their heavy deflector beam cannons.
@@adamlee2111 Maybe you should make the beam itself look different? Like those yellow-ish Cardie beams used by their stations? Just to differentiate it from all the other weapons on the ship?
I know I already said it, but I love seeing multiple phaser arrays going off at once. Phaser arrays have to be one of the smartest things Starfleet ever came up with.
Indeed, they feel like an actual futuristic weapon unlike the cannons that most other science fiction settings go with.
Galor Type III: " "Torpedoes won't be installed until Tuesday"
"Or any day thereafter" 😂
I have always wondered how this fight might unfold. Thank you.
Prediction: Galor will sit there and take an absolute beatdown (and shrug it off), until it attrits the Intrepid's shields. Then the Intrepid's much weaker hull will be it's undoing.
EDIT: Yeap. Pretty much what I expected. There's something to be said for just being tough-as-nails.
The reverse was also expected. Take out the shields and sensors, and turn the Galor into an inert block of neutronium, while you chip away at it. Honestly - I'd give this to the Galor! Way simpler to use, and as long as you protect your shield generator and sensors, you can pretty much outlast anything in the same class.
I like this. You know how to maximize the use of phasers angle and your piloting skill is superb.
Thank you!
The Intrepid is very tough ship for its size. It might stomp a pre-War Galor 3.
Thank you thank you!! Overall I think this goes to the Intrepid class. The only reason it lost the first time waa b/c of the AI. It just has better shields and weapons. Great battle! ❤
No problem! Yeah there’s a slight advantage to the Intrepid, better shields and the torpedoes make a big difference. Galor has way better hull armour though
@@adamlee2111 yeah I noticed their hull could really take a beating. Probably to make up for the lack of torpedo's. But I was impressed at that.
Galor wins this 1 for me. Way easier to use, and it's beams are accurate enough to just pick apart the Intrepid, as long as you protect your sensor array and shield generator, and trade body-blows.
Wow, finally a Galor model that is somewhat accurate. The Galor Type III, even before the Dominion annexation, was a pretty good Medium Cruiser. Too many people think the Galor is a single ship class when it is actually just a common space-frame for several different class of ship in different roles and vintage. The Galor Type II Heavy Destroyer is probably what most people think a Galor is. Is vintage 2340s onward. One is no match for a Galaxy Class, but 3-4 can be. That said, a Type II matches a TNG era Excelsior Class and is superior to the Miranda and Constellation. They were upgraded to a Type III standard during the Dominion War but still used as Heavy Destroyers, most effective in squadrons of three. It's primary Spiral Wave Disruptor cannon could hole a cruiser in one shot. The Galor Type III Cruiser is vintage 2362 onward and is a major upgrade over the Type II. It is fitted with new computers, much improved shields and weapons. A single Type III is no match for a Galaxy Class, but two gave Riker pause in the episode "Ensign Ro," and three Galor Type IIIs would outmatch a Galaxy. It well outmatches an Excelsior and can hold its own against an Ambassador Class. Very decent medium cruiser that was built in large numbers. During the Dominion War, they were upgraded with new warp cores, EPS systems that allowed for heavier weapons. They served as cruisers and were VERY effective during the War. A single shot from its heavy SWD cannon could destroy a medium starship like a Steamrunner, and they were seen one-shotting Bug Ships, Birds of Prey and Breen Frigates. New build (during the War, 1000s built) Galors have been called by some as Galor Type IV heavy cruisers that were equipped with some Dominion systems and weapons to go along with their much improved Cardassian weapons, to include launchers for the lethal Cardassian plasma torpedoes. That said, the torpedo thing is a whole other issue....
Thank you for writing this I enjoyed reading it.
God knows what to say about cardassian ships and their torpedoes or lack there of. Apparently they have them but I’ve never seen one fired so… 🤷
I agree the Galor is better than commonly believed but I wouldn’t put the type 3 well above an Excelsior, I’d say they kept up with each other. The type 2 was equal to an Excelsior in the 2340’s, the type 3 was equal to the Excelsior as it existed in the 2360’s etc. I agree that its main disruptor is bloody powerful but it shouldn’t be that be shotting anything above a dominion attack ship. I always take the ds9 war footage with a bucket of salt because every ship (except the stupidly overpowered Defiant) appeared to be made of baking foil 😂
I’d place the Keldon well above the Excelsior though, and fairly close to an Ambassador 👍
@@adamlee2111 There is a really good video by Trek Central that talks about the Galor Type 2s and 3s, drawing on novels as well as on-screen appearances etc. They do really good analysis on a lot of different ships. They really get into the nitty gritty of rating the ships and comparing them. There would be a teleological problem for the Cardassians to spend so much on a ship type that was no better than the most common light cruiser of their enemy. The Type III is clearly superior to the Excelsior for several reasons. The real advantages the Galor Type III has over the Excelsior is that other than the Galor hull, everything else about the ship is new technology. The Border Wars had been going on for 15 years prior to the launching of the Type III and represented years of Cardassian advancements and learning from captured starships and other technologies as well as espionage from the Obsidian Order. The Cardassians put a ton of resources in the Type III program.
The primary difference between the two, and why the Type III was markedly superior to the Excelsior Class was that its hull is more robust in general (inherent in all newer Galor marks), but the shields are much improved and over twice as strong as the Excelsior's. In terms of firepower, the difference is less pronounced because Federation torpedo tech levels the playing field a bit. But generally speaking, the Type III should be considerably more effective thanks to its much greater survivability. It makes perfect sense that the newer Galors are a lot more survivable than a ship going on 80 years old. After all, we know the Excelsiors were often torn apart by even older Galors on screen. Meanwhile, we have seen a Galor Type III take a pounding. In "Way of the Warrior," Dukat's Type III Cruiser, the Prakesh had been fighting the Klingons for a while, and we saw that ship take 38 separate hits while its shields were down before it finally cooked off.
Regarding the Galor Type III's heavy SWD Lance we see them one-shotting ships over a number of episodes to the point where there is a pattern that has meaning rather than a fluke. In fact, I may speculate that we are seeing Galor Type IIs and IIIs using a cannon with different outcomes and power levels. When we see a heavy beam holing a Miranda or Excelsior, but not destroying them, or destorying an attack ship, this could be the Type II Heavy Destroyer. When we see a heavy beam one-shotting Breen Frigates, Steamrunners, Exclesiors and even that Akira in Operation Return, those could be the Type III. It makes sense that the heavier Type III would have a stronger weapon. Trek Central and others have speculated that the Cardassians were able to master the use of a Deflector Dish as an actual weapon without damaging it. Federation starships have used deflectors for high power weapons before, but it was usually a one shot deal due to damage. If the Cardassians mastered the technique, it would explain how they were able to develop such a powerful weapon all of a sudden. Mainlining warp power to the Deflector is a lot easier than building a big sophisticated cannon or whatever.
@@adamlee2111 The Keldon Type I was about 60% of a Galaxy Class, so a little weaker than the Ambassador. However, the Keldon Type II, aka the Obsidian Order's Keldon Class, was a significant upgrade in every way and one could conservatively estimate they were at about 75% of the Galaxy. They were very fast, robust with good firepower. I would say they easily equal to the Ambassador, and pushing into the Nebula Class territory. The Cardassians used the Orias Shipyards to refit all their legacy Keldons to the Obsidian standard, minus the cloaking device. The Dominion annexation led to another upgrade of the Keldon Class, a Type III that was a very effective battlecruiser/heavy cruiser that could go toe-to-toe with a Nebula.
@@adamlee2111 Regarding torpedoes: The Galor Type IIIs in "Ensign Ro" use torpedoes to destroy the Bajoran ship. And we know the Cardassians utilized torpedoes prior to the Dominion War. The Dreadnaught from Voyager, built prior to DS9 Season 3, was equipped with both plasma and quantum torpedoes. That said, it still doesn't give us any real detail on Galor torpedo capability. The Galor 3s in "Ensign Ro" fired two torpedoes in a rapid volley. Hard to extrapolate from that, but, what we know of the Galor Type III as a newer ship (from 2363 on) built partially based on battlefield experiences from the past 15 years of war with the Federation, and also with their access to captured and destroyed Starfleet equipment (and Obsidian Order efforts), I don't think it is too much of a leap to think that a Galor Type III has roughly, at least, the torpedo launching capability of an Excelsior Class. So probably able to fire at best 4-5 torpedo in a rapid volley, but not the spreads of like 6+ torps the Nebula or Galaxy can. The Type II might have less capability. But, the Dominion annexation solved those issues no doubt, and we should expect that DW Galors have equal capability with Alliance cruisers and carry several types of torpedoes: Cardassian Plasma, Dominion Polaron and a standard Photon close to that of the Federation Mark VI.
Very cool! Question for you - any idea if it’s possible to install BC on a Mac running Apple Silicone?
Via Parallels, Yes I have it running on mine.
@@hlm601 I’ve heard of that. I’ll have to check it out, thanks 🙏🏻
Is there a difference between the centerline Spiral-Wave Disruptor and the ones on the wingtips? I'm surprised the centerline one doesn’t seem that much stronger.
The main disruptor is much stronger than the others, does 900 damage vs 300. The secondary weapons have overlapping arcs though, so often you have two on target making them look more potent than they really are
@@adamlee2111 Thank you for balancing this ship well. The base BC Cardie ships are way underpowered thanks to the game designers taking away the Cardassians' best feature which is their heavy deflector beam cannons.
@@adamlee2111 Maybe you should make the beam itself look different? Like those yellow-ish Cardie beams used by their stations? Just to differentiate it from all the other weapons on the ship?