Dash Cam Didn't Stop Cops from Lying
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You're compromised now... How can they get a C for lying and violating an Americans rights... You're compromised
I live In RHODE ISLAND i have been pulled over 5 times never i mean never has my passengers been asked whom 5hey are or asked for ID this was definitely race implied for sure
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A “C”? They knowingly and willingly violated his rights! A “F” would’ve been more appropriate.
Cops saying, "we wouldn't lie to you" is the biggest lie I've ever heard.
I think they realy thought they were in the right. As all of this realy looks like competition between all the participants, who of them looks cooler and more professional on camera...
It's off course allways shit when they guys who are more powerfull are also wrong.
I think this example shows, that records of policework , even if it doens't avoid all problems , aids all people envolved. It gives reasonable citizens a feeling of security of not beeing treated wrong (or shot for no reason) and it saves policemen from possible wrong accusations. Plus it makes documenting what happened, when asked, way easier for the Police as they could simply look it up.
Plus I think if more unmutable and allways recording bodycams find more wide spread in the police it will also keep people with a bad mindset away from joyning the police.
I'm German , so we have republican law as most of the non-anglo world. That makes it pretty easy for the police to adhere to the law, yet they also do go to "lawschool" the same way as a lawyer does they just don't get modules like family law to study...so it's just 3 years of study and training to become a policemen.
I Imagine how much a US or any Anglo-Sphere policemen has to learn before they start working. I mean how long does it take until they not only know all the laws but also all the caselaw related to their work? From that perspective, it's probably a bit difficult to allways remember every case from the past so and so hundred years. That might make it pretty hard to behave correctly.
Straight up manipulative behavior
Lying is part of the job description!
People should stop carrying ID unless driving. Phones have enough ID in them.
Cops are not heros, they are predators on society
“You give up your rights when you’re in the car.”
Well that certainly is news.
They genuinely believe their lies...
I chuckled at that part
And one of many lies these cops are telling. They manipulating the vagueness of the legal system to
And this is why I walk or ride a horse
WoW! One heck of an assertion. These officers exceeded reasonable boundaries for consensual conversation by wrongly asserting that their 'orders' had to be obeyed and were consistent with case law. These officers should be required by their superiors, either LEO or civilian, to take courses that cover the civil rights of civilians. Minimally, their behavior should never exceed LEO behavior permitted in accord with Terry v Ohio. Absent articulable suspicion that the individual an LEO wants to converse with has committed or is committing or is about to commit a crime, LEOs should not demand ID, nor should they detain more than very temporarily, nor should they EVER go hands on. Misrepresenting reasons for detainment or wrongly demanding ID should be actionable, and result in punishment of the offending LEO. Minimally, loss of pay would seem appropriate.
Passenger: I have rights
Cops: “You give up your rights when you’re in a car”
Literally had to say something about that too, like bruh, what the fuck do you mean?
Wild 😂
I hope these cops realize that their own families can be treated this way.
I think he means that as a driver you do have to produce a valid license in a lot of states without reasonable suspicion
@@wptny3339 the driver is irrelevant here since we’re talking about the passenger.
There is no other profession that tolerates such utter incompetence and ignorance of the basic knowledge of the job.
Cashiers are held to higher standards than police with weapons
Oh NO! They're held accountable for breaking POLICIES, like NOT turning ON their camera (ironically NOT so much for what they DO on those on those cameras)...
They get in trouble for having dirty squad car, not for BEATING ppl IN the squad car, or for not filing their reports ON TIME, (ironically more than for LYING on a report)...
They get in LESS trouble for VIOLATING US than they do for violating their RULES!!
“You lose your rights when you start driving” this cop is beyond a joke. Should be fired immediately
Literally a joke lmao because the guy wasn't even driving.. he was a passenger 💀
That cop, and a lot of others too, needs to learn the difference between surrendering your rights and entering into a contract that gives limited consent to the State during traffic stops.
Criminal
Oppressive
P😼
He got a promotion and pay raise. Any officer who willfully ignores your rights and proceeds into police state. Well they're just a gem 😒
If refusing to get out of the car is arguably considered obstructing the officer, why isn't failing to hand over his ID also considered that?
The problem is that cops can legally lie to you, which is utter BS. Now if we lie to them we could face criminal charges. Quite the double standard here isn't it?
Congress lie all the time but we cant lie to them.
Cops can deploy tear gas completely legally but if you throw back the same one they throw at you then it's a crime. Double the double standards
Legal Lies…. That’s crazy.
@@Trollmaster08 how do you suppose “we” would even lie to congress? That’s silly.
The problem is that cops lying to citizens to get them to waive their rights is a crime under USC 18.13.241 and 242, among others, but the legal system is so corrupt that criminal cops like these aren't prosecuted.
Look at the Stamford prison experiment. Cops we have today are the natural result of giving immense power with no accountability.
I am getting so tired of seeing cops lie! Even worse that they continue lying after the passenger let them know that he knows that they are lying!
Wow, I truly admire this man's knowledge of his rights, and his execution of them. He explains very well his points - like, why he shouldn't get out of the car. So proud he didn't get out. I Love that he's right at every turn. 😂 "I'll give up my rights for my friend - so he's not late"
That cop actually said “you give up your rights when you are in a car.” Wow scary stuff. End qualified immunity now.
Shouldn't that be Qualified IMPUNITY?
Amen
Too late. Too out of control already..
It worked.
Qualified immunity should be reduced significantly, everywhere. Colorado is a start.
This video proves that officers use "step out of the car" as an intimidation tactic and not for officer safety.
No they don’t, they just wanted him to get out of the car
@@justaguywithcommonsense4875 give up your user name
@@justaguywithcommonsense4875 you don’t get it . He can get out the car all day long if ordered but this is a traffic stop. He is not endangering anyone. They turned their focus to him and he does not have to ID himself regardless
@@ga301 You fell for bootlicker lip-service.
@@justaguywithcommonsense4875 I rarely dislike comments but when I do I let the person know.
They literally admitted they just wanted to know who he was, and also admitted they do it to everyone.
Pathetic examples of law enforcement. They should be ashamed of themselves for making their department look bad. They wear their ignorance like a badge of honor.
That's what the badge is for.
I cannot believe the effing cop actually said, out loud, that “You give up your rights when you are in a car”. That scumbag needs to be fired immediately; he has NO business having a badge and a gun.
Well, it's true that you give up some of your rights while driving
@@firstwavenegativity6379 yeah but not for getting in a car.
@@firstwavenegativity6379 What rights do you give up when driving?
@@redgringrumboldt8983 Depends on the state, but in order to have a driver license you agree to give up certain rights while driving. You can not get a drivers license without agreeing to give up certain rights. But again, this only applies if you are driving a vehicle, not if you are simply inside a vehicle as a passenger.
@@Oleg-oe1rc I just want to know what rights do people give up to drive. Like, name one.
2:13 "YOU GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS WHEN YOU ARE IN THE CAR" somebody please fire this cop
That brought on, a whole new level of absolute stupidity!!!
lmfao what a tool
That will get him promoted. This is their training
Fr that was beyond insane 😂
Probably heard the accent and assumed he was ignorant of his rights.
Exactly why he and his helpers deserve no better than a D.
Mad respect for u knowing that law and having a camera and sticking to your knowledge.
I like how EVERY law and statute covered here was written with loop holes that officers use to violate and after thousands of violations the courts refuse rule on said violations so things can be clear cut.
I always laugh when officers tell motorists to step out of their car for the officers safety, but if you step out on your own, the officer will tell you to step back in your car for their safety.
It's because they think whatever thought pops in to their head at that moment is the law. It cracks me up how emotional they get when you don't immediately comply with every single order they give. Like they are somehow infallible because they wear that uniform. I was actually considering becoming a police officer when I got out if the Marines but then I realized I'd hate almost everyone I'd have to work with because of their superiority complexes.
@@fritzworley6316 I was a Correction Officer for 25yrs and never wanted to be a Police officer. I actually never like Police Officers but I wanted to be in law enforcement to avoid Police Abuse. For the most part it works. I was only falsely arrested by NYPD one time. Over the years I have been racially profiled countless times but usually when I inform them I'm a CPL holder and see my retired ID they calm down. I try to follow the MANY commands they give but I never remove my hands from my steering wheel until I clear it with the officer. Many Officers when dealing with the public should be fired. They forget that they are PUBLIC SERVANTS and not a Military force.
Oh yeah..coz its only their lives matter
Plus being inside the car, surrounded by its crash structure, is far safer than standing on the side of the road.
@@glennw7118 I get racial profiling to a degree. Crime statistics show that out. BUT, i don't think anyone should be targeted because of their race. I used to drive safe but older vehicles and they would target me for driving an older vehicle. I understand if they had more caution with someone who fits the profile of person more likely to commit crime, but to target someone on their race, religion, vehicle they drive is wickedness. I agree many should be fired.
I say this all the time, never immediately tell an officer you’re recording via dashcam right away. Let them dig themselves in the deepest hole possible before you tell them they’re on video. Telling them you’re recording right away they’re immediately gonna somewhat tighten up even if they say they don’t care about being recorded
I agree
Don’t tell them at all and reveal it during the discovery phase of court proceedings.
A good poker player never shows his hand.
well not everyone wanna deal with them or being detained etc
@@extractedentertainment8213 While I understand your reasoning for not revealing that a recording is being made, I think a person needs to judge the situation they find themself. If they believe the incident might escalate to an unlawful detainment or worse, revealing they are recording might de-escalate a situation that is heading toward a bad outcome. Cheers.
In some circumstances you can not use a recording in court unless both parties consent. If you don't tell the cop first, then you can't say they consented. So, always tell them first if you want to make sure you can use the recording in court.
01:15 I've learned one thing from "Audit the Audit" channel and it's that nobody in their videos knows the actual laws. The cops don't and the auditors don't, and the truth is the law is sometimes so convoluted that you can't know how a specific court would rule.
The only thing the “auditor” got wrong was about stepping out of the vehicle. Supreme Court has ruled (wrongly in my opinion) that officers may order anyone out if a vehicle on a traffic stop. He was right that they cannot force you to identify (legally anyway)
@@MrRockitt3
Exactly
Look at all that damaged ego! Crazy! They lied to him straight to his face!
"When you have rights, either you use them or you lose them."
You are correct good sir. Thank you for recording this.
This is very true
TRUE: but it shouldn't be like walking through a mine field to use your rights. ( your americian system looks like it was made by canaanites )
True. It’s just a shame that you have to choose between your life and your rights.
100% this was bs in every country
Also would hate to have elbows like a juice monkey....looks painful
That cop literally said “you lose your rights when you get in the car”! Insane.
Right! WTF does that mean?
I heard that too!!!
@@MyArmourIsContempt just further officer’s abuse of power, so much so that this officer seems to believe once people get in a vehicle, they are at the mercy of the law through the power the officer now holds
!!!! Right? We just gonna gloss over that?
Yeah, maybe it sounds better in the original German?
Walking away with is ID constitutes a seizure. A reasonable person would not think they were free to go when an office has their property.
In Canada, thankfully, we can definitely refuse to provide our identification to police if we are merely a passenger in a vehicle, or if they stop us on the street, unless they are investigating a crime that has either occurred, or they are detaining us, Sherrey
Same in U.S.
Same in the us, the point of the video is to show the officers flagrantly breaking this law.
I get so sick of these cops demanding ID and telling lies to get it. Absolutely criminal behavior.
Very very WISE observation
Just watching videos like this makes me angry.
They love ID like crackheads love crack.
Only if you are driving
Why is it such an issue?
It makes me so mad when cops say stuff like “oh where did you go to law school” or “are you a lawyer? You know the law?” It’s insane that they think regular citizens should be ignorant of the laws and their rights and just do whatever they say without question.
Edit: tell them “I didn’t know that was illegal” and they’ll say “ignorance of the law isn’t an excuse.”
I just say I went to high school n graduated with the common knowledge of the law in the area I reside
Pissed off a cop with that n he put my warning as a ticket but gave me the warning ticket n never told me
I went to court n got 10k because I payed more for insurance for almost a year n wasn’t aware I had points
He fucked up because there’s no receipt ever printed of it n put it in the system like I payed n plead guilty
I’m still in that case but even my lawyer says this is a clean stretch based on all the info I have n the dashcam of him saying it’s a warning not a ticket
The PD claimed they couldn’t retrieve the bodycam footage since it’s a year ago
But luckily I did n kept my mouth shut cuz Ik It’s better to catch them in the act
Clear audio n view with time stamp
This especially pertinent given the general legal argument that ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it.
just respond: same law school as you. Because they don't go to law school
@@Chspas lmao I love this
Easy answer.
Cop: "Are you a lawyer?"
Citizen: "Are you?"
I really want someone to film this type of stop where they say all passengers need to show ID and have a dog with tags on and have them ask the cops if they would like to check if the dog has a record at the pound or remove them and handcuff for officer safety. That would go viral so quickly.
A “C” is WAY to generous in my opinion, especially considering some of the other things they said, for example “you lose your rights while in a motor vehicle”!
A decent demeanor doesn't make an F turn into a C. 4th amendment rights violations seemingly still deserve an F regardless of their demeanor. A tyrant with a really good demeanor is still a tyrant.
The cops are being graded on their ability to follow the law, not manipulate it.
@@mranerobic3795 They manipulated the law by asking him to exit the vehicle. Him exiting the vehicle and standing wouldn’t make him more identifiable, it’s just intimidation.
@@mranerobic3795 F
Wait until this guy learns that the cops did nothing wrong and they got an A+ in my books
@@justaguywithcommonsense4875 well that doesn't surprise me, you always have liked grading dudes. Especially their nether regions. xD
The “step out of the car” was 100% not for safety, it was so they could illegally search his person under the pretext of “for my safety and yours…”
"The beatings are for your own protection!"
That's exactly what they were up to. It's the first thing that popped into my head when they kept persisting.
The cops extending the stop is prolonging the contact, yet the contact is supposedly the cops reason for being "concerned for their safety". Write a ticket and let them go, end of "safety concern". The cops certainly weren't acting like they were concerned for their safety. It's clearly all about getting a "hunch" and wanting to go fishing for warrants.
Had they pulled him out, they probably would've patted him down, found his wallet and taken his ID. Have seen that before -- though I'm not sure how that can be legal.
Yup. He'll step out of the car and they'll wanna search him now "for their safety".
This man is my hero! I would hope everyone who finds themselves in a similar situation will do the same
You do not give up your rights when you're in a vehicle. You have the right to travel. If they're this concerned with who might be a passenger in a car when they stop it, then they shouldn't initiate the traffic stop.
I always find it ironic that police need only 6 months of training to uphold the law, yet it takes on average 8 years to practice law as an attorney. This would be a great topic of discussion for ATA
but they are sooo fast to say "i know the law! are you a lawyer?"
Even worse....It takes two years to be a cosmetologist. Yeah...two years to be a frick'n barber.
@@48mastadon it's to keep new people out and the current people in
You do know that to become a police officer you have to have a college degree and if you want to get promoted to higher than just an officer you need to have studied criminal law as well.
That 6 months is only the academy after you have already been to college
@@lordvika2526 no one wants to be a cop nowadays and they will accept someone who just came out fresh out the academy
"Obviously the reason we do that is to check for warrants..."
Exactly. It's a fishing expedition.
Exactly he bluntly said the reason which is unlawful like the man said you can’t just go up to people to people and ask them for ID being in a car is no different. I’m pretty sure if he wouldn’t have given his ID they would have escalated the situation. That’s why so many where there including the white shirts and they don’t even know the law. Sad
I like how he told them he was reaching for his ID. That’s sad he has to do that.
The officer was so quick to say, "So you're a lawyer?", but in actuality the passenger WAS the correct one!! The police officer was the one who didn't have a firm grip on the law and violated this man's rights!
I wouldn't be able to stay calm after that, whilst they're in the midst of breaking the 4th amendment saying "we didn't say you committed any crime," and being snarky smartasses about the passenger being the one aware of the law.
"We don't ask you to get out the car for the heck of it."
--We have determined this is a lie
they also say he is not getting out of the car to be issued an arrest, so...why is he being told to get out?
@@HarryOrPoke Their ego/pride.
Interesting that when the passenger wouldn't hand over his ID, the cops claimed that he needed to exit the vehicle for "officer safety" and kept pressing that point, but as soon as he gave them his drivers license, their concerns about officer safety disappeared. I've heard other cops actually verbalize the nonsensical claim that refusing to ID made them fear for their safety. Apparently, they feel safer when a taxpayer surrenders his rights and engages in Obedience To Authority (if unfamiliar, please research the term).
The cop actually said in the very beginning and right after the passenger refused to get out "when you get in a car you give up your rights ". Unbelievable.
we let Scotus manipulate us, by their! purchased compliance , to the oligarchy of wealth and world absolute power.
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This is one of the main things that has always pissed me off. If u r a passenger, and its a mere traffic stop(as oppossed to a group of people who just robbed a bank or something) u DO NOT have to show your ID.
I feel like when the officer finally said that the point was to look for wants and warrants, the passenger had a case against him for violation of his rights. The officer accidentally said the quiet part out loud.
The officers get an F for misinterpretation/lying about the law. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse especially by a sworn officer of the law.
I have long suspected the sincere intentions of this channel, so the grade C for caps does not surprise me, I can also say that I thought he would get a B- (they could have shot this guy and got a D)...
They would get an F if they shot both guys
@@sguerilla6142 Audit hands out more F's to cops than he does to civilians so your argument is pretty weak and pathetic. If they would have escelated the situation then it would have been an F and they could have since he didn't step out the vehicle. People like you are really very slow and have no independent thought lol
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for ordinary citizens, but courts have held that it IS an excuse for police officers. Just another weapon in a cop's arsenal, enabling abuse of authority and trampling of rights.
@@-HeyLyd- What rights???? I still haven't heard anyone say what rights were infringed upon by asking a question. You guys are such beta male cry babies lmao
Ignorance of the law SHOULD NOT be an excuse for an officer. It’s no excuse for a citizen.
Since when does coercing and negligence get a C grade? If an officer doesn’t know the law, it should be an automatic F. Just my opinion.
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Agree. Power monger jerks. Grades of F, for them.
SCOTUS has ruled that cops need not know or understand the laws they are hired to enforce which is crazy to me how are they gonna enforce laws that the don't know and understand but hay they are also not obligated to render aid or protect civilians from imminent harm but civilians can be charged with gross indifference if we see someone in distress and don't stop and render aid
Here’s the thing, an F is supposed to be the worst grade so it kind of deflates the impact of an F when you give it to some one who could have been far worse
Audit the Audit is pretty pro-cop on the whole. They are super super generous with a bunch of police.
Did that cop really just say "you give up your rights when you get in a car?"😂 Right then & there I knew we were dealing with a Barney Fife
These laws in those states needs to be changed! If I have committed no crime then the "GESTAPO" police should NEVER be allowed to subject me to ANY type of questioning, or demands.
Cop: "we don't ask people for IDs or to get out of the car just for the heck of it"
Also cop: "we need your ID and step out of the car just for the heck of it"
Remember, cops are allowed to lie to you, so if they say you aren't being arrested, it's still very possible you are going to get arrested.
Fortunately my brother realized this when he was a young man. Cop followed him down his (long) driveway because the cop knew, but had no evidence, that my brother was speeding. Proceeded to literally beg my brother to tell him that he had been speeding, even promised several times that he wouldn't get a ticket or anything "just for my own peace of mind" type manipulation and he never budged. Cuz he knew if he did he would get a ticket. If he told the full truth, he'd have gone to jail. (100+ in a 65) He maintained that he reached the speed limit rapidly and then traveled the speed limit. Smart man (for once, lol)
They almost always do that when arresting you.
It's not a lie to tell someone they are not under arrest and the step out of the car, only to instantly tell them they are under arrest the second they step out.
THey didn't lie there, you were not under arrest, the second you became under arrest is the second they told you and starter putting cuffs on.
Regardless even if you ARE under arrest you still need to get out of the car when ordered. The course are very clear that getting people into and out of cars on a traffic stop is something cops have to right to lawfully order. Not getting out of the car when under arrest isn't going to unarrest you, it is going to get you injured.
The most messed up part though is that courts have upheld that if a cop says you are under arrest and they messed up you, you still were not under arrest BUT if they say you are under arrest and resist then you were under arrest.
@Uncle Sammy you could not have watched the video. Also you have no idea what you are talking about. Keeping licking boots.
For my first 15 years, I don't remember ever having a license or ID when I was a passenger in a car. I could probably still be in prison for all those times I did it. 🚓
I have been ID in the passenger seat in the broad daylight and in my home town. I gotta say it made no sense to me and it made me extremely mad , but I gave it to them anyway , but it's ridiculous. Some people don't have ID on them especially if they aren't driving
“you can’t go around stopping everyone and asking for ID like Nazi Germany” 😂 I love this cause he’s right. Fascist regimes thrive on excessive policing and violating privacy, and police in the US need to understand that their behavior can be compared to Nazi’s and come dangerously close to fascism when they refuse to question their own understanding of the law. Introspection is a vital quality for police officers to have.
lol, this is literally normal in Europe traffic stops
@@mortensenvick5711 Asking for the ID of the driver is normal and makes sense to be required by law, but requiring the passengers show ID is not.
Police don’t (or at least shouldn’t) go demanding ID from every pedestrian on the sidewalk unless there is probable cause, the same way they can’t demand ID from passengers of vehicles.
There is sadly many things in American culture that is directly done as it is in authoritarian regimes.
And its hammered into kids right from the start.
Just start with the pledge of allegiance. No other civilized nation or free nation has something like that. The Nazis did. North Korea have, Modern Iran has. The soviet Union had it, and now Russia to with Z and other things.
And from that point it expand. And the US have and do many things that the "rest" of the free and civilized world does not understand or could accept living under.
Prison system used as money buckets, and forced labor for big companies like Amazon and Mcd, getting almost free forced labor.
Messy law system. and massive corruption. on such a level that things that are massively corruptive is not even seen as corruption like how companies spend billions working politicians and lobby/pay them to work for them instead of the nation. Again like many Authoritarian states.
The line has already been crossed and people are starting to notice, when the next line is crossed officer safety will be an issue because they abuse us soo much we the people have to stand up. They create their own problems
@@mortensenvick5711 Europe is 30 countries. You sure even half of them have laws forcing passengers to identify themselves?
Removing the passenger for not giving ID is different than the officer safety issues upheld by the court. This is clearly retaliation for not complying with the illegal demand.
Of course it is. But the laws are purposely made so vague that's not illegal. Even if the passenger challenges it, and get off, the damage has still been done.
@@mranerobic3795 No, it's probably illegal.
However, the way qualified immunity works, if this exact scenario hasn't occured before, then apparently the police couldn't have known it was illegal and they can't be held liable.
@@KamikazeSOF2 You're missing the point. It wouldn't matter if they did. Who's going to police the police? Its like setting speed limit that has no penalty if you exceed it. Okay, it illegal. Now what? Do you call the police on the police?
@@mranerobic3795 I didn't miss the point. My comment was pretty sarcastic. I get how it didn't really come through in text form.
We're basically saying the same thing. It doesn't really matter whether or not it's illegal when nothing is going to happen.
Right? I mean the dude could have a record a mile long, but how does that impact their safety? RI has just decided that they can check everyone they lawfully come across for warrants. That's it.
I love how smoothly this guy spoke to a cop in a language that basically said "I know youre being unfair" while dodging making them extremely angry. His quip about natzi germany? Gold, master class in dealing with people that frequently are trained to escalate for their own benefit.
Over 80% of people with a warrant are arrested during routine traffic stops.
That's why they want your ID so bad.
That's why they're all so afraid during a routine stop.
If they are afraid, they better get a different job.
Then change the law which allows the officers to be able to do that.
Until then, it is an illegal request. End of..
and did you know some warrants can be “ a clerical error “
a legally dispositioned case was done 5/2020 and somehow it REOPENED a year later a warrant is put out and jus so happened to executed less than 48 hrs after i had MISCONDUCT DISMISSED
also they LIE
"you give up your rights when you're in the car" that is the craziest thing I've ever heard an officer say
Sad but true you have no rights with police. Unless they chose to give you those rights. They have more guns then you have with backup seconds away. Only the military can every tell cops what to do because they have tanks.
The Court has all but said that. They've gone so far as to say that an RV is primarily a vehicle rather than a home. So even if you're living in a mobile home/camper, they can enter it w/o a warrant, order you out, etc. Our houses and apartments are the last place where we can feel remotely safe.
However, all the cops have to do is say is "We got a call" or are doing a "wellness check" and they can kick down your door w/o a warrant. They'll lie under oath about having probable cause, and the idiot judge would most likely go along with it.
Thats an out rite lie and government need to be held accountable for it just as society would be.
Only the oligarchy, the cops and their fellow puppets get “rights.” The “criminal-class” aka me and you and other poor people don’t get that privilege
What constitution was my favorite
When a cop asks “where did you get your law degree?” My response is you don’t have to be a chef to know how to cook and you don’t have to be a lawyer to know the law.
shoulda asked "where did you get yours?"
I'm not a vet....but I can recognize all sorts of animals.
@@ohsnapsonbro4260 good one … I’m not a proctologist but I know a….. well you know……
And apparently you don't need to know the law to be a police officer.
@@ohsnapsonbro4260 …especially pigs
man i wish i knew about this channel and watched it 3 years ago, it could have saved me hours and money, as one time me and a friend of mine were waiting in a park parking lot to hear back on a friend if we were going to pick her up for a party or if she had a ride, in the time of waiting a cop pulled up behind us and told us that he needed to see our IDs as the spot where we were was a frequent stop for drug exchanges so without giving it a second thought we complied which led to a discovery for a warrant for my arrest which was just a book and release in 3 hours of holding now in knowing terry stop laws in utah i didnt need to follow that order and could have just went about our night.
BIG PROPS! This guy know the law, his rights, world history, hes owning these cops…. AND he’s from another country! Kudos
I still to this day will never understand how providing an ID helps with "officer safety".
They're just hoping to find someone with a warrant or numbers on their license to arrest someone or conduct a search. However they knew this man was in the right and didn't have to do it but they thought wait a minute if hes done nothing wrong then why not give me your licenses. So now they SUSPECT he has a warrant and is now lying and trying to find ways to forcefully and lawfully obtain his licenses as you can see when they started demanding him to step out instead of asking because then the officers would have had the "right" to remove him.
Because if you know they have your name you won't do anything that might require retaliation?
Because most people have no hesitation providing an ID. It’s a gigantic red flag if they refuse as usually they are well aware they have outstanding warrants.
It's just a lie they say, to get what they want. Pigs are trained to manipulate and intimidate citizens
@@tjkelly8718 and convicts like you are trained to feed off society like leeches
"We don't know who you are." So just because you see a stranger on the street that means you can harrass them? Neat
Do you know who the cop is?
Right!!??? Like do they do they shit in a Walmart
THESE ARE THE VOTED FOR THE CONGRESS' ALLOWED LAWS! TRY THE ALLOWED FOR CONGRESS BUT ILLEGAL FOR THE STOCK INSIDERING AT YOUR ENDORSEMENT?
So since he was legally SUPPOSED to step out of the car to avoid an obstruction charge, could he still recuse to show his id if he stepped out the car when the cops asked?
You should have given him an A+ for his actions.
"for our safety" bro they can just leave and be perfectly safe.
This guy was courageous. I don't think I could have stayed clear headed in the front of police coercion and intimidation.
I'm soooooo proud of you for always filing complaints on government workers. Most auditor's never get back with the public with the outcome. Thank you very much.
"When you have Rights, you use them or lose them" Solid Line!!
These cops are Crooked. "You have rights" yet literally lie and take his rights.
Nah they just mouthing off a bunch of crap they think sounds hard or convincing
@@freshswagga100 i think thats just an off base definition of lying in and of itself.
C? They have still violated the right of the victim and have illegally extended a routine traffic stop... that should be an F.
Cops: "I went to the police academy for 6 months and they gave me a gun and a badge so I know what I'm talking about" 😅😂
Officers should be required to inform the citiziens in the start of an interaction about the nature of the interaction and wether they are merely asking consensually or ordering them.
2:13 "You give up your rights, when you're in the car." Lol!
i lol'd at that too
I don’t know how they got a C. That should br an immediate F that’s some gestapo bullshit
Those cops were literally lying about the law to coerce someone into giving up their rights, C is far too generous
They didn't misunderstand the law they flat out lied
I think it's interesting that all of talk about him getting out of the car (for officer safety!) evaporated the second he agreed to give them his ID.
They deserve an F
Hey ATA. I think you missed something on this one. Rodriguez v United States ruled that cops cannot extend a stop beyond the mission of the stop. At 9:12, the passenger states that the driver had already received the ticket. That being the case, the original mission was over, and ordering the passenger out of the car would have been an unlawful seizure. In fact, I believe Landeros relied on Rodriguez.
Nice catch.
The brilliant irony: these cops were most likely fishing for reasons pertaining to citizenship, only to be schooled on constitutional rights by an articulate bilingual.
He’s definitely puerto rican💀 puerto ricans are citizens of the us
@@eamonnprunty too many people dont realise that.
Of course they were. That's how the criminal justice system works.
@@benjie128 Our last president didn't even know that smh.
Great channel. Im so impressed by people who learn their rights and have courage to stand up for their rights an a very intimidating situation. Just important to know they law and details of the law in every state.
Did he say you give up your rights when you in a car? Oh, my God!
Violating someone’s rights is an F always! They broke the law it’s an F.
yup, god bless utube channels like this that help us learn the law better.
it's like giving somebody a 10 in a gymnastics competition. You generally avoid doing it too easily because it leaves no room for when someone takes it to the next level.
Bunch of bootlickers who run this channel, they dont care about the people they just state the corrupt laws.
@@scottwickwire-brock4736 😊l
The fact the passenger was recording also helped to keep that interaction peaceful
They do not deserve a “c” for violating any Civil Right “! They get a C if they are ok and just average in their respect for the citizen.. any violation of any civil right is a failure…👎👎👎
“They violated the 4th Amendment rights of Mr.Ambis”…but they get a C? For not arresting him? 😑
These cops flat out misrepresented the law, they said that he has to ID as a passenger, that is a flat out lie. That misrepresentation of the law by police officers should be grounds for immediate termination without question.
That's not illegal. Nor is him lying.
@@mranerobic3795 a passenger is not legally required to provide identification during a traffic stop, this is well documented case law. The cop saying otherwise is lying.
@@arh9068 Except when the cop has RAS. Something they can simple make up when they feel like it. Notice that they never have to define the RAS to anyone.
Those type of exclusions assume the cops are honorable and fair, and won't abuse their authority. IA stupid assumption, since if that were the case, we wouldn't need to constitutions in the first place. Instead, they simple render the Bill of Rights useless.
@@mranerobic3795 RAS validates detaining an individual for questioning, when detained an individual has no legal obligation to answer any questions a cop may ask nor are they required to provide any identification. The cop saying otherwise is LYING.
When cops have to be held responsible for their actions this will never end.. He had no rights you and your gang just stepped on them now your copsplaining.
I love when cops ask "what, are you a lawyer👺"
My response will forever be "I make a better lawyer than you do a cop😂"
It doesn't make any difference if he is or not ..
This entire thing is an ego trip. This is a routine traffic stop. All they needed to to do was let this man go on his merry way.
"we have rights if we dont use it we lose it you know." Very well said dude
They should get an F because they don’t know how to do their job, lied multiple times to those they serve, and VIOLATED RIGHTS of an innocent man. Fixed it for you
Well this is a blatant pro police CZcams page. Audit the Audit admits the police lied but still get a passing grade. This is why I always give them a thumbs down. They need to learn that the citizens have a voice and should not be squashed.
@@jamesf791 did you say he say is pro police page 😂 here literally just judges anything off the altercation. From what is legal and is not legal most of the videos cops don’t get pass F’s.
@@Percyy you truly don't watch most of the videos as what you said is not true or🤣. But keep defending him as and keep being pro police.
@@jamesf791 literally 3 out of the last 5 videos cops have F’S but ok 💀
@@Percyy if you have to go back more then 3 videos you already showed you are pro police as you show you are really reaching to defend people who break the law. Why do you defend bad actions like cops?
IMO, a blatant misunderstanding of the law deserves a much lower grade than a C, regardless of how the officers behave. I believe law enforcement officers have a professional obligation to know and understand the laws they're tasked to enforce, as well as know and understand the limits of how they're enforcing those laws.
Arizona judge ruled that being a police officer is not a profession therefore cops are not professionals.
Sadly they are not a profession according to a recent ruling...cops are a government paid gang.
Exactly
They certainly have a moral and ethical obligation to know and understand…just not a legal obligation.
100% agree, if I have the choice between a) nasty/hostile cops who know and follow the law or b) nice cops that blatantly violate my rights, I’ll take “a” day long
they understand that they cannot held responsible for lying to citizens
The passenger was so calm while explaining his rights! He has a very good point. We do need to exercise our rights or lose them
7:00 - Yeah, the SCOTUS ruled that a cop can order passengers from the vehicle IF they think it's a matter of safety. BUT, it's clear that he was ordering the passenger out of the car simply for refusing to provide ID.
But at around the 10 minute mark, the guy in the seat states the citation has already been written. At this point the police are in violation for extending the stop
@@knerduno5942 - Yeah, that too! Why I hate cops. They're more worried about controlling other people, FREE people, that they just can't obey the law themselves.
Pennsylvania v mimms if a police officer orders you out of a car you legally have to get out of the car
@@justaguywithcommonsense4875 - Yeah, I get that, but when a cop is doing it just to control people or intimidate them or to jerk them around then that's a game changer. The idea is supposed to be for safety. Not to show, "Hey, I'm in charge, and I'm going to start jerking you around to get you to become subservient".
@@robertgantry2118 he wasn’t tho, he wanted him to get out of the car to get away from everything, like he was always waving his hands and arms around cops always want a clear view of your hands and don’t want you to move them too much
Whenever someone demonstrates that they know the law, police "accuse" them of "being a lawyer." Yet we as citizens are required to know and follow literally thousands of laws. Ignorance of the law is no excuse... unless you are a police officer, then not knowing or following laws, or "making up laws", is protected as "qualified immunity" (aka sovereign immunity). If ignorance of the law was a valid excuse for citizens then we could literally commit murder then claim "I didn't know."
Police literally have an incentive to not know the law. Once it is documented that a police officer has training on specific laws, they can then be held responsible and even liable for knowing and not following the law. There are cases where officers opted for termination for not complying with mandatory training orders following an incident. They then do the uniform shuffle over to a neighboring city.
@@7heRedBaron They should lose any pension they have accumulated when they are fired.
This dude put on a whole school session for these cops, and they just plugged their ears the whole time.
Its so messed up that there are certain laws which blatantly contradict others and the cops are allowed to miss-state laws and lie as much as they want to manipulate, but if a citizen misunderstands their rights they will be prosecuted. There needs to be better accountability. Also if he was arrested for obstruction surely the fact the officer said "CAN you hop out for a minute?" would be very important.. The officers did not phrase it at all as a lawful order, they asked him... If you ask someone a question you are giving them a choice.
The guys in costumes should've got an "F"! They coerced the passenger into giving ID under false color of law. He should sue them back to the Stone Age.
The cops did nothing wrong however the passenger did, under Pennsylvania v mimms if a police officer orders you out of a car you have to get out of the car
@@justaguywithcommonsense4875 does that mean we should overlook the fact they lied about him giving his id? They didn't enforce the one part they could've, because they knew they were wrong and lying about his id.
Rhode Island is still in the stone age. Just sayin.
Giving the officers a “C” is generous. Violating the rights of two individuals along with their oath is a heinous act against the the most basic of their job functions.
Rape is heinous. Asking for ID is not.
@@J_PIK
Violating a person's rights is, no matter if it's a demand for ID, or an illegal detainment.
Getting a C for doing everything wrong but being professional about it seems pretty absurd.
C is for Cuck...Obviously here on this channel
Heinous is a very strong word to describe these officers. You might want to reconsider your prioirities
13:14 The way he looked at the camera after the cop says "I wouldn't lie to ya" was more unspoken communion than anything I've ever seen.
I love how they have 4 officers wanting the passenger out of the car for their safety. Once he gives up his ID they dont need him out of the car.
So if a bus gets pulled over ,
will all 40+ passengers get identified ? 🤣😂🤣😂
'Consenual' goes out the window . . .
"We ID everyone in the car, all the time" So you've done it wrong every single time.
NEVER,EVER GIVE CONSENT.
"You give up your rights when you get in a car"... Amazing