We use slave labour here and now for basic t shirts. Pockets are an extra bit of effort. In mass production removing features saves millions of hours of labour. @@basic_avarage_person
A lot of guard armor for stowage is relegated to both belts, bandoliers and sashes. They do have rigs that can go atop armor and plenty of guardsmen customize their armor one way or another. Generally you're looking at forces that hold most supplies in a rucksack and have ostensibly extremly light LMGs with high capacity and very compact magazines, reducing the neccessity for a full chest rig for the most part.
It's also an issue with what comes in the model kits, any Guard player can tell you GW has always been stingy when it comes to pouches (they added an update to the old cadian kit a few years back with like 20 head you'll never use and zero pouches or backpacks) it tends to be why the art looks a bit light on gear, they draw from the models and most Cadians you have maybe 3 pouches total of varying types. (It's why the old Cadian Forgeworld Accessory packs sold so well)
Well easy to carry all the ammo you need when it comes to a lasgun since their “magazines” can hold a crap tom of “ammo” and can recharge from literally ANY heat source ranging from sitting in the sun to body heat to even tossing it into a camp fire. And in desperate situations you can rig the lasgun “magazine” to explode turning it into a makeshift bomb.
Thanks to the lasgun magazine ridiculous capacity and ability to self regenerate charge with exposure to sunlight, a guardsmen doesn't need to carry nearly the same amount of spare magazine than a modern day soldier. It might compensate a little bit for the reasonable amount of pockets they have (modern army gear can be safely described as having a monsoon of pockets).
I was surprised that Warhammer of all franchises had the most eco-friendly sci-fi guns. Minimal resource consumption and waste, rechargeable, doesn't even vent weird gasses into the air like Star Wars blasters.
@@diagonal3715not really, Armageddon although heavily polluted does have a ton of sunlight. and then there's desert plants that basically don't even get clouds. Plus direct contact with fire can also charge Laz-gun mags
The real mobility advantage guardsmen have is that, because they are not expected to live long enough to need resupply, they don't carry 100 lbs of gear on their back like modern soldiers.
Well they don’t need to because also lasgun ammo last longer n can be recharge with heat or the sun so not really need for much more gear they do carry backpacks with grenades n maybe ration
It’s also worth noting that when they’re not fighting chaos or some of the crazy Xenos the armor actually holds up pretty well. A good example of being the death corps of Kriegs grenadier squadrons and their heavy flak vests being extremely effective storm troopers for pushing into forts and bunkers. The armor added a lot of combat value
Then theres the gurad armor that are just straight up medieval breastplates made from some kind of scifi material. (Krieg Officers) Or in the case of the Mordian Ironguard, Valhallan Ice Warriors, Armageddon Steel Legion, and many others you get the Flak Coat. The protective qualities of flak armor designed into a flexible great coat or other uniform.
Well, i heard that some soldiers in ww1 would come with armour from Napoleonic/civil war that was left in their family from grandpa, so maybe it's inspired by this?
My most hated scifi weapons and armor trope of sort is them having freaking lights on their equipment. Oh sure you can excuse for flashlights. But strips off LEDs even on spec ops type units is beyond stupid.
'Mag-clamping' is a thing in 40k, Guardsman don't need loops and attachment points to secure pouches in place, they can just snap it directly onto the armour, you just don't see it much on the models (or the art drawn from them) because GW has always been stingy with the amount of pouches they put in the kits. We used to bulk out the models with 3rd party ones or the Forgeworld Cadian Accessory packs, but they stopped making the latter and these days having a 3rd party pouch on a model will get you banned from store so the minimalist looks become the norm again.
Also a reminder: Guard Flak Armor is actually really good against most conventional arms we have modern day. The problem is, against the enemies of the Imperium in the 40k verse it's only slightly better then completely unarmored and against a bolter it won't do shit.
@@torg2126 If you can attatch an expl charge to A basically diamond piercing tip the the first bolter round will crack and crater and the second bolter round will LIKELY punch through.
@@AKlover most of the time. The armor save is still enough that carapace armored Guardsmen can survive gunfights with Space Marines. Narativly speaking, that means that carapace can block bolters
There isn't any protection of the pelvic bowl, which is extremely dangerous. Mind you being shot by a lasgun or bolter is pretty much a death sentence anyway, but the 40k equivalent of a 9mm to that region will incapacitate anyone. That's why some newer body armor has protection for that region.
Guard tend to fight from entrenched gun lines. Not too much exposing the lower body. None of the design is intended to be functional mind you. 40K is rule of cool first and last but the Guard are surprisingly passable.
Kantrael pattern lasguns and flak armour (?) are more or less designed for fighting much the same as one would during the cold war, prone or in prepared positions looking out over open terrain. If enemies are close enough to shoot at your pelvic area, the odds are they're going to slice you to ribbons in half a minute anyway.
The guard really don't see to have a lot of gear, if they have any it tends to be carried in a backpack as far as I know. You might want to look into the Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, and Only War RPG books, might give you more to work off of that codexes don't talk about because it's too small scale.
The best and worst part is that there's no armor for the messy parts of guts and crotch. Bad when you're walking about but good when you're seated or prone.
@MarcusVance it's a massive issue. Modern armor has ceramic plates. All plate carrier vests carry the plate inside an aramid fiber compartment exactly for this reason, spalling is a serious hazard that can kill the soldier wearing the armor.
@@kaymarx9677There is. Most armor, especially the steel plates have a polymer coating and kevlar backing to prevent spalling. Some of the older ones don't. To mitigate this, soft kevlar armor layers are placed behind the plate, such as on the IBA (Interceptor Body Armor). Ablative armor that is found in ceramic negates this because it shatters the bullet on impact while dispersing that energy over the plate itself and the kevlar lining.
It makes sense that Imperial Guard armor is more like historical armour since the imperium encounters more melee threats than the irl modern soldier tends to
It's designed *well enough* to take on other units similar to the Guard. It'll help against Autogun fire from something like the Genestealer Cults or a knife from a Chaos Cultist, but won't matter against something like Necron Gauss weaponry, which a Marine's Ceramite doesn't do much against either. Considering how many units they have to make, and how disposable Guard members are, it is surprisingly well designed.
Most artists probably don't have military experience, and never thought to include a chest rig to mount equipment on, wich would be easy of having connectors/fasteners located by the pauldrons and waist/hips.
Sadly alot of imperial commanders take the human wave approach to battle part of which is "your dead comrades from the last wave will provide you with all the ammo you will need" a direct quote from one of the Valhallan Winter Soldier commanders is "I have more men then you have ammunition" combined with just how brutal so much of the weaponry is in 40k the armour is almost a placebo.
i have to say i appreciate the female guardsmen armor being the same as the male one instead of the generic fantasy/scifi boob plate. gives the impression of equality as long as one can hold a gun, plus the fact that theyre mass produced
More like easy to manufacture one pattern instead of two. Even in our current militaries they dont make a variant/s of body armor and plate carriers for women since they can just adjust the straps to suit themselves properly.
Worth considering that the imperium places the bare minimum investment into the Guard - unlike modern militaries, expenses are absolutely spared, and they'll settle for "good enough". The armour the Guard gets is the biggest value for item, and they're not going to bother chasing an extra 10% survival rating. Increasing Guard survival rates might actually make things worse - their logistics might be balanced on only half of any given deployment surviving long enough to need supplies...
Not having a chest rig is a fair trade with the protection, simply because the rig isn't needed since there's no ammo to carry. Laz gun packs can hold hundreds of rounds and be recharged in a camp fire. Edit: since CZcams won't let me reply. Food is carried in a ruck, if not handled by a massive logistical supply element, and water in a camelback, if not, on a belt canteen. Med pack being on a belt is also pretty common with modern battle belts, shovel goes on the ruck, knife being on a drop leg is pretty standard, radios would be carried by a designated RTO. Flashlights are best when helmet or weapon mounted, Repair kit for what exactly? A compass fits in a pocket. And the only spare clothing you need is extra socks and underwear, which would go in the ruck as well. and if one mag is 150 rounds, carrying two puts you at a full combat load and then some, if you have one in the gun. I know that's not all they'd be carrying, but armies of yesteryear got by just fine without some of the massive chest rigs used today.
What about food? Water? Medpack? Shovel? Knife? Coms equipment? Flashlight? Repair kit? Compass? Clothing? And one magazine is 150 rounds. They generally carry a few, plus sometimes a sidearm.
The average lasgun energy cell can hold anywhere between 300-1000 shots depending on the model type. That’s far more than the average infantry man would ever need when compared to conventional ballistic ammo. Add to the fact that the energy cells have solar power recharge and you basically cut the need for a supply line. Protection comes first in the galaxy of 40k, it may be tinfoil when compared to better armor that other factions use. But it’s FAR better than what we have now.
Spaulding would be a bitch though, little part most don't see in modern armor there a layer that catches the metal bits from when the bullets and shrapnel hit the armor, called Spaulding. usually the armor is so hard that the projectiles basically shatter and the fragments fly absolutely everywhere. without a layer to catch the Spaulding those poor soldiers would be getting little bits of metal flying up into their neck face and eyes, or down into their pelvis.
The helmet is also really good in terms of protection (shrapnel being the main thing helmets protect against) as it cups nearly the entire head with a "peak", like a construction helmet, further protecting the eyes. It even has a plate covering the chin strap.
I’m genuinely surprised flak armour got pretty much a 7 or 8 out of 10. Sure, with like, two or three more tweaks it would be great, but in lore flak armour is one of the cheapest and easiest to mass produced pieces of equipment in the galaxy. There are times you could probably just find a set lying around somewhere. The Imperium could make it better, but for the same price of designing, manufacturing, and altering supply chains to phase out the older armour with newer, better armour, the Imperium could have made a bajillion more infantrymen with the old stuff. So yeah. It’s lore accurate that flak armour could be better and is probably uncomfortable to wear.
Vs normal ballistic rounds it would be great but 40k is sooooo over the top its pretty bad yeah The basic lasgun is considered "weak" but its basically a god gun in our time do you know how stupidly strong it would need to be to produce recoil like it does in 40k light producing recoil gun could level cities
The armor have no slots for more gear is made sense because of lasgun burn it and might set you on fire and you don't want to put laspack on where you most lightly to get shot
A lot of guard characters and books tend to have webbing on them such as Jurgen then we also see newer models carrying backpacks. Another good thing about imperial guard armor is that it can be sewn into clothes as seen with the Mordian iron guard who have it sown in through their uniforms and a commissar from the redemption corp novel who survives being shot in the back because he had several plates sewn into his great coat.
@@MarcusVance Its more the power level of everything else varies from "stronger than modern weaponry but physically possible" to "child on playgrounds superhero powertrip fantasies".
@@MarcusVancemainly depends on who they're up against. Fighting against somebody who has similar weapons and equipment to the guard then probably safe everything else that tends to have armor piercing weaponry still better than nothing.
The upside to guard equipment is that you need to carry less magazines because a standard mag hold something like 80 to 100 shots. You also dont really need to carry much in the way of supplies, because your life expectancy is very low.
A good idea could be issuing to the soldiers a"Battle jacket" such as those worn by US soldiers on D-day, with attachements for pouches and similar, they could wear it over the body armour, and add more gear.
Guard armor is considered better than nothing, but its barely more effective than wrapping yourself in cardboard. Its even remarked that way multiple times, especially in Guard centric novels.
Its perfectly designed for 40k, I imagine. Life expectancy is measured in minutes so really no need for extra ammo. Much like the cheaper Soviet brigades in WW2 where lives were expendable in comparison to the better trained units.
Depends if its full flak or just the vest theres also carapace which is decent the problem is just everything mows through it thats not them fighting heretics or putting down rebellions but in modern context carapace would be better probably
That's modern armor for ya. Having even a separate piece that covered the stomach, like medieval plate harness had, would limit mobility more. Not debilitatingly so, but more.
Not only that, but they're also primarily ceramic material, meaning they're heat resistant. Which is great in the context of a sci-fi setting, where an advanced ceramic could take a shot or two from otherwise highly lethal directed energy weapons. This does cause problems in long engagements with ballistics, as while ceramic armor is quite strong it's easily compromised. A crack more easily spreads through it than through metal, where if your plate is hit in one spot it's not much weaker in another. With ceramics, if your plate breaks, the other parts will likely do little for you. This wouldn't be a super big issue with a galaxy like Star Wars, where 99.9999% of the people have the same weapons (they're just stupid and bad at developing tech), but in 40k, it's a big problem as the Imperium of Man's military, which does in fact have the vast majority of its strength in the Guard, is facing everything from Tyrranids to Chaos Marines. And they're expected to win. So they might be at a disadvantage there simply because they might be up against something that a ceramic plate isn't great at handling. Like explosives or being torn in half. It's also worth mentioning is that while the armor that is there appears to be quite protective, it might be a bit much in some places and not enough in others. The specific picture shown here shows a breastplate, two shoulder pauldrons, and open face helmets worn by those in the background. It probably varies slightly depending on the specific soldier, and we do often see them without helmets. But it does appear to be standard issue. Because of how plasma weapons would work, if it could immediately penetrate the plate the shots would spread. Much like a hollow point does on contact, but much further. The problem is that it's going up towards your uncovered neck, and down towards your stomach and legs. Even if you won't die from the injuries caused by a small plasma cloud, which you probably would because your head isn't covered all the way, you wouldn't be fighting. You might even be trampled by your own guys as a sea of people move around you to try and take/hold a position. And given how the Guard could best be described as "The Red Army with massively higher casualties" that's not super surprising.
Unfortunately, much like the Lasgun, Imperial Flak armor is inadequate against many of the Imperium's enemies. Even ork Sluggahs, which rarely perice the breastplate, usually cause enough internal damage to kill guardsmen unlucky enough to actually get hit by ork marksmanship.
To be fair, if the shoota rounds are heavy and fast enough to kill through sheer blunt force trauma, nothing short of actual power armor is going to help.
A HUGE downside of this armor design is you don’t have a clear pocket in your shoulder to place the buttock of your weapon. This is a huge flaw in the design and is a significant downgrade if you need to accurately fire
Oi, Marcus; I'm back with another random-ass question: how long can a pistol get while still being practical as a pistol? Fictional pistols like the Ace of Spades are literally a whole carbine
Why store items in pockets when it would be harder to retrieve those items after they are enviably killed by God Emperor knows what much easier to take of a belt plus do they even have a stc for pockets.
It's solid compared to contemporary armor, but we're not dealing with Bolters or plasma/laser weaponry or Tyranids. I don't think that armor is gonna save you from anything other than small arms fire.
Maybe, but that is probably more of a issue with boob plate like you see on some Sister of Battle armour. Also, 40k use a lot of energy based weapons & I can't see it being an issue with them for the most part.
Another thing to note is that your lasgun chargepack is about 1/5th lighter than a conventional magazine but holds twice more shots. 1 in your lasgun and 3 spare chargepacks is already 240 rounds per guardsman.
Pretty sure slaves cover the logistics. The imperial guard move quick and light with space marines and other heavy infantry like knights or titans breaking sieges.
I honestly don't know how common slaves are in the Imperium. They're frequently used on large space ships, but I haven't heard any mention of the Imperial Guard using them. I'm pretty sure the Guard handle their logistics with actual guardsmen.
It's also incredibly cheap in universe being produced by The trillions everyday so it having flaws like no extra pockets makes sense
how?? how is no pocket = cheaper??
The stc for pockets are rare I guess
@@basic_avarage_person no stc for cheap armor with pockets
We use slave labour here and now for basic t shirts. Pockets are an extra bit of effort. In mass production removing features saves millions of hours of labour.
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To be fair if you want some extra pocket, im sure no one gonna stop you from adding a rig on top of the armor
A lot of guard armor for stowage is relegated to both belts, bandoliers and sashes. They do have rigs that can go atop armor and plenty of guardsmen customize their armor one way or another. Generally you're looking at forces that hold most supplies in a rucksack and have ostensibly extremly light LMGs with high capacity and very compact magazines, reducing the neccessity for a full chest rig for the most part.
Beat me too it!
It's also an issue with what comes in the model kits, any Guard player can tell you GW has always been stingy when it comes to pouches (they added an update to the old cadian kit a few years back with like 20 head you'll never use and zero pouches or backpacks) it tends to be why the art looks a bit light on gear, they draw from the models and most Cadians you have maybe 3 pouches total of varying types. (It's why the old Cadian Forgeworld Accessory packs sold so well)
Ooo, don't forget about Cadian shock troops' utility suspenders!
@@maxs1280 yup, yup. Thats what I mean by the rigs/webbing that goes atop armor.
Well easy to carry all the ammo you need when it comes to a lasgun since their “magazines” can hold a crap tom of “ammo” and can recharge from literally ANY heat source ranging from sitting in the sun to body heat to even tossing it into a camp fire.
And in desperate situations you can rig the lasgun “magazine” to explode turning it into a makeshift bomb.
Thanks to the lasgun magazine ridiculous capacity and ability to self regenerate charge with exposure to sunlight, a guardsmen doesn't need to carry nearly the same amount of spare magazine than a modern day soldier. It might compensate a little bit for the reasonable amount of pockets they have (modern army gear can be safely described as having a monsoon of pockets).
And the best part is, they probably won't even live long enough to use it all up anyway
I was surprised that Warhammer of all franchises had the most eco-friendly sci-fi guns. Minimal resource consumption and waste, rechargeable, doesn't even vent weird gasses into the air like Star Wars blasters.
There is no sunlight in warhammer, every battle its a fucking smog everywhere and dark clouds
Don't forget that it's not just direct sunlight. They can also charge if they're tossed into a fire for a few minutes
@@diagonal3715not really, Armageddon although heavily polluted does have a ton of sunlight. and then there's desert plants that basically don't even get clouds. Plus direct contact with fire can also charge Laz-gun mags
The real mobility advantage guardsmen have is that, because they are not expected to live long enough to need resupply, they don't carry 100 lbs of gear on their back like modern soldiers.
Well they don’t need to because also lasgun ammo last longer n can be recharge with heat or the sun so not really need for much more gear they do carry backpacks with grenades n maybe ration
Thats more meme than anything. Guardsmen do carry backpacks of gear and necessities and the Munitorum keeps them supplied.
Most guardsmen don't even see fighting. Why? Because it takes effort and competence to shovel men to frontline.
It’s also worth noting that when they’re not fighting chaos or some of the crazy Xenos the armor actually holds up pretty well. A good example of being the death corps of Kriegs grenadier squadrons and their heavy flak vests being extremely effective storm troopers for pushing into forts and bunkers. The armor added a lot of combat value
Then theres the gurad armor that are just straight up medieval breastplates made from some kind of scifi material. (Krieg Officers)
Or in the case of the Mordian Ironguard, Valhallan Ice Warriors, Armageddon Steel Legion, and many others you get the Flak Coat. The protective qualities of flak armor designed into a flexible great coat or other uniform.
The Krieg officers breastplate are probably more Napoleonic cavalry inspired than medieval.
Well, i heard that some soldiers in ww1 would come with armour from Napoleonic/civil war that was left in their family from grandpa, so maybe it's inspired by this?
I think it's called a cuirass
Check out Vitrian Dragoons.
Thens theres the Catachans. Their muscles has the same armor statistics of flak armor.
"pectoral muscles... to make them look buff and intimidating"
*laughs in roadside bomb*
My most hated scifi weapons and armor trope of sort is them having freaking lights on their equipment. Oh sure you can excuse for flashlights. But strips off LEDs even on spec ops type units is beyond stupid.
Especially when bright yellow tape is much more practical...
'Mag-clamping' is a thing in 40k, Guardsman don't need loops and attachment points to secure pouches in place, they can just snap it directly onto the armour, you just don't see it much on the models (or the art drawn from them) because GW has always been stingy with the amount of pouches they put in the kits. We used to bulk out the models with 3rd party ones or the Forgeworld Cadian Accessory packs, but they stopped making the latter and these days having a 3rd party pouch on a model will get you banned from store so the minimalist looks become the norm again.
You expect Marcus Vance to acknowledge that?
Also a reminder: Guard Flak Armor is actually really good against most conventional arms we have modern day.
The problem is, against the enemies of the Imperium in the 40k verse it's only slightly better then completely unarmored and against a bolter it won't do shit.
It might keep the exploding bolter shell in your chest from also killing your buddies, but that's about it
Useless versus Necrons, likely also useless versus bolter rounds. We could make imperial guard armor right now, stromtrooper armor too.
Carapace. It has more armor coverage, so the hard plates might save you from bolters. Gauss Flayers kill space marines, thin cerimanite won't do shit
@@torg2126 If you can attatch an expl charge to A basically diamond piercing tip the the first bolter round will crack and crater and the second bolter round will LIKELY punch through.
@@AKlover most of the time. The armor save is still enough that carapace armored Guardsmen can survive gunfights with Space Marines. Narativly speaking, that means that carapace can block bolters
There isn't any protection of the pelvic bowl, which is extremely dangerous. Mind you being shot by a lasgun or bolter is pretty much a death sentence anyway, but the 40k equivalent of a 9mm to that region will incapacitate anyone. That's why some newer body armor has protection for that region.
Guard tend to fight from entrenched gun lines. Not too much exposing the lower body. None of the design is intended to be functional mind you. 40K is rule of cool first and last but the Guard are surprisingly passable.
Kantrael pattern lasguns and flak armour (?) are more or less designed for fighting much the same as one would during the cold war, prone or in prepared positions looking out over open terrain. If enemies are close enough to shoot at your pelvic area, the odds are they're going to slice you to ribbons in half a minute anyway.
Lasguns are only a death sentence if they hit a vital organ with not sufficient medical installations nearby.
Mind you this armor design is for expendable grunts, carapace used by the better train imperial guardsmen does offer full body protection
The guard really don't see to have a lot of gear, if they have any it tends to be carried in a backpack as far as I know.
You might want to look into the Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, and Only War RPG books, might give you more to work off of that codexes don't talk about because it's too small scale.
Now do Catachan armor design analysis
What armor there muscles could stop more bullets than any modern flak armor could
@@jedi-rl1hq there are no catachan soldiers. it is just sly marbo, running around so fast, that it looks like an entire army fighting
The best and worst part is that there's no armor for the messy parts of guts and crotch. Bad when you're walking about but good when you're seated or prone.
Other regiments have different armor. Like Armageddon and Elysian. Cadians are just the most common.
Thoughts on Mass Effects human armors like Onyx or Hydra?
Wouldn’t it be susceptible to spall sense there isn’t any cover for the plates?.
They're "mostly ceramic," so that wouldn't be much of an issue.
@MarcusVance it's a massive issue. Modern armor has ceramic plates. All plate carrier vests carry the plate inside an aramid fiber compartment exactly for this reason, spalling is a serious hazard that can kill the soldier wearing the armor.
@@Manuelomar2001 Is it known whether or not there might be some spall-catching inner layer?
@@kaymarx9677There is. Most armor, especially the steel plates have a polymer coating and kevlar backing to prevent spalling. Some of the older ones don't. To mitigate this, soft kevlar armor layers are placed behind the plate, such as on the IBA (Interceptor Body Armor).
Ablative armor that is found in ceramic negates this because it shatters the bullet on impact while dispersing that energy over the plate itself and the kevlar lining.
@GrimSoldat Was unclear, my bad; is it known whether Cadian armor has such a layer?
It makes sense that Imperial Guard armor is more like historical armour since the imperium encounters more melee threats than the irl modern soldier tends to
It's designed *well enough* to take on other units similar to the Guard. It'll help against Autogun fire from something like the Genestealer Cults or a knife from a Chaos Cultist, but won't matter against something like Necron Gauss weaponry, which a Marine's Ceramite doesn't do much against either.
Considering how many units they have to make, and how disposable Guard members are, it is surprisingly well designed.
Most artists probably don't have military experience, and never thought to include a chest rig to mount equipment on, wich would be easy of having connectors/fasteners located by the pauldrons and waist/hips.
Sadly alot of imperial commanders take the human wave approach to battle part of which is "your dead comrades from the last wave will provide you with all the ammo you will need" a direct quote from one of the Valhallan Winter Soldier commanders is "I have more men then you have ammunition" combined with just how brutal so much of the weaponry is in 40k the armour is almost a placebo.
i have to say i appreciate the female guardsmen armor being the same as the male one instead of the generic fantasy/scifi boob plate. gives the impression of equality as long as one can hold a gun, plus the fact that theyre mass produced
More like easy to manufacture one pattern instead of two. Even in our current militaries they dont make a variant/s of body armor and plate carriers for women since they can just adjust the straps to suit themselves properly.
Worth considering that the imperium places the bare minimum investment into the Guard - unlike modern militaries, expenses are absolutely spared, and they'll settle for "good enough". The armour the Guard gets is the biggest value for item, and they're not going to bother chasing an extra 10% survival rating.
Increasing Guard survival rates might actually make things worse - their logistics might be balanced on only half of any given deployment surviving long enough to need supplies...
I think some Guard regiments, even a few from Cadia, specifically designed webbings to fit over the armor with quick release in mind
Not having a chest rig is a fair trade with the protection, simply because the rig isn't needed since there's no ammo to carry. Laz gun packs can hold hundreds of rounds and be recharged in a camp fire.
Edit: since CZcams won't let me reply.
Food is carried in a ruck, if not handled by a massive logistical supply element, and water in a camelback, if not, on a belt canteen. Med pack being on a belt is also pretty common with modern battle belts, shovel goes on the ruck, knife being on a drop leg is pretty standard, radios would be carried by a designated RTO. Flashlights are best when helmet or weapon mounted, Repair kit for what exactly? A compass fits in a pocket. And the only spare clothing you need is extra socks and underwear, which would go in the ruck as well.
and if one mag is 150 rounds, carrying two puts you at a full combat load and then some, if you have one in the gun.
I know that's not all they'd be carrying, but armies of yesteryear got by just fine without some of the massive chest rigs used today.
What about food? Water? Medpack? Shovel? Knife? Coms equipment? Flashlight? Repair kit? Compass? Clothing?
And one magazine is 150 rounds. They generally carry a few, plus sometimes a sidearm.
The average lasgun energy cell can hold anywhere between 300-1000 shots depending on the model type. That’s far more than the average infantry man would ever need when compared to conventional ballistic ammo. Add to the fact that the energy cells have solar power recharge and you basically cut the need for a supply line. Protection comes first in the galaxy of 40k, it may be tinfoil when compared to better armor that other factions use. But it’s FAR better than what we have now.
Spaulding would be a bitch though, little part most don't see in modern armor there a layer that catches the metal bits from when the bullets and shrapnel hit the armor, called Spaulding. usually the armor is so hard that the projectiles basically shatter and the fragments fly absolutely everywhere. without a layer to catch the Spaulding those poor soldiers would be getting little bits of metal flying up into their neck face and eyes, or down into their pelvis.
*Khron Berserker laughs as he swings his axe* How compelling
The guard does have additional carry harnesses similar to WW2 GIs. Though I think velcro was lost in the dark age of technology
The helmet is also really good in terms of protection (shrapnel being the main thing helmets protect against) as it cups nearly the entire head with a "peak", like a construction helmet, further protecting the eyes. It even has a plate covering the chin strap.
I’m genuinely surprised flak armour got pretty much a 7 or 8 out of 10.
Sure, with like, two or three more tweaks it would be great, but in lore flak armour is one of the cheapest and easiest to mass produced pieces of equipment in the galaxy. There are times you could probably just find a set lying around somewhere. The Imperium could make it better, but for the same price of designing, manufacturing, and altering supply chains to phase out the older armour with newer, better armour, the Imperium could have made a bajillion more infantrymen with the old stuff.
So yeah. It’s lore accurate that flak armour could be better and is probably uncomfortable to wear.
Vs normal ballistic rounds it would be great but 40k is sooooo over the top its pretty bad yeah
The basic lasgun is considered "weak" but its basically a god gun in our time do you know how stupidly strong it would need to be to produce recoil like it does in 40k light producing recoil gun could level cities
If I am not mistaken, alot of the ammunition they use is just stored in a battery, on account of them being armed with energy weapons.
The armor have no slots for more gear is made sense because of lasgun burn it and might set you on fire and you don't want to put laspack on where you most lightly to get shot
A lot of guard characters and books tend to have webbing on them such as Jurgen then we also see newer models carrying backpacks. Another good thing about imperial guard armor is that it can be sewn into clothes as seen with the Mordian iron guard who have it sown in through their uniforms and a commissar from the redemption corp novel who survives being shot in the back because he had several plates sewn into his great coat.
Trash it barely stops shrapnel It's more of just a reinforcement of fear reduction😂
I love how even the wiki page can't agree on how effective it is.
@@MarcusVance That's Warhammer Lore fans for you... Most indecisive fandom in existence
@@dankdaze42069they are made on like, a thousand different planets with their own designs, materials etc so it is justified
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Its more the power level of everything else varies from "stronger than modern weaponry but physically possible" to "child on playgrounds superhero powertrip fantasies".
@@MarcusVancemainly depends on who they're up against. Fighting against somebody who has similar weapons and equipment to the guard then probably safe everything else that tends to have armor piercing weaponry still better than nothing.
I would take the lasgun since that would just go through modern day buildings,vehicles and multiple people.
I got a question for a video, how good would something like a punt gun be for handling drones
The upside to guard equipment is that you need to carry less magazines because a standard mag hold something like 80 to 100 shots. You also dont really need to carry much in the way of supplies, because your life expectancy is very low.
A good idea could be issuing to the soldiers a"Battle jacket" such as those worn by US soldiers on D-day, with attachements for pouches and similar, they could wear it over the body armour, and add more gear.
Well the armor of the guard was made cheap and effective if you want do the Tempestus or the Solar Aux
Guard armor is considered better than nothing, but its barely more effective than wrapping yourself in cardboard. Its even remarked that way multiple times, especially in Guard centric novels.
Could you use magnets sorta like how we use velcro?
You don't need much gear when you're not likely to live long enough to need to reload.
Its perfectly designed for 40k, I imagine. Life expectancy is measured in minutes so really no need for extra ammo. Much like the cheaper Soviet brigades in WW2 where lives were expendable in comparison to the better trained units.
Depends if its full flak or just the vest theres also carapace which is decent the problem is just everything mows through it thats not them fighting heretics or putting down rebellions but in modern context carapace would be better probably
Funny thing is that if we brought this armor in our time it would be crazy OP but for the standards of 40K it might as well be made out of cardboard
I think it would be better if it covered all the torso instead of only chest level tbh...
That's modern armor for ya. Having even a separate piece that covered the stomach, like medieval plate harness had, would limit mobility more.
Not debilitatingly so, but more.
So we don’t design armor like this because of flexibility? Or is there more to it
Tbf, lasguns dont run out of ammo so you dont need more space to carry mags.
Its way easier to add pockets to or on your armor, than adding armor later on.
Not only that, but they're also primarily ceramic material, meaning they're heat resistant. Which is great in the context of a sci-fi setting, where an advanced ceramic could take a shot or two from otherwise highly lethal directed energy weapons. This does cause problems in long engagements with ballistics, as while ceramic armor is quite strong it's easily compromised. A crack more easily spreads through it than through metal, where if your plate is hit in one spot it's not much weaker in another. With ceramics, if your plate breaks, the other parts will likely do little for you. This wouldn't be a super big issue with a galaxy like Star Wars, where 99.9999% of the people have the same weapons (they're just stupid and bad at developing tech), but in 40k, it's a big problem as the Imperium of Man's military, which does in fact have the vast majority of its strength in the Guard, is facing everything from Tyrranids to Chaos Marines. And they're expected to win. So they might be at a disadvantage there simply because they might be up against something that a ceramic plate isn't great at handling. Like explosives or being torn in half. It's also worth mentioning is that while the armor that is there appears to be quite protective, it might be a bit much in some places and not enough in others. The specific picture shown here shows a breastplate, two shoulder pauldrons, and open face helmets worn by those in the background. It probably varies slightly depending on the specific soldier, and we do often see them without helmets. But it does appear to be standard issue. Because of how plasma weapons would work, if it could immediately penetrate the plate the shots would spread. Much like a hollow point does on contact, but much further. The problem is that it's going up towards your uncovered neck, and down towards your stomach and legs. Even if you won't die from the injuries caused by a small plasma cloud, which you probably would because your head isn't covered all the way, you wouldn't be fighting. You might even be trampled by your own guys as a sea of people move around you to try and take/hold a position. And given how the Guard could best be described as "The Red Army with massively higher casualties" that's not super surprising.
why need gear when you only live 10 second on battlefield?
Unfortunately, much like the Lasgun, Imperial Flak armor is inadequate against many of the Imperium's enemies.
Even ork Sluggahs, which rarely perice the breastplate, usually cause enough internal damage to kill guardsmen unlucky enough to actually get hit by ork marksmanship.
To be fair, if the shoota rounds are heavy and fast enough to kill through sheer blunt force trauma, nothing short of actual power armor is going to help.
A HUGE downside of this armor design is you don’t have a clear pocket in your shoulder to place the buttock of your weapon. This is a huge flaw in the design and is a significant downgrade if you need to accurately fire
Couldn't you use some sort of attachment for storage on the armor? Like mags with a magnetic side?
Can I get what is Adhesive and Velcro for 500 Imperial?
Oi, Marcus; I'm back with another random-ass question: how long can a pistol get while still being practical as a pistol?
Fictional pistols like the Ace of Spades are literally a whole carbine
Given the average life expectancy in combat of a guardsman, they would probably never be able to use the stuff.
>>"room"
do you really need space for redundancies & non essentials?
Why store items in pockets when it would be harder to retrieve those items after they are enviably killed by God Emperor knows what much easier to take of a belt plus do they even have a stc for pockets.
I chalk it up to it being designed by artist who have no idea what an actual soldier carries or what webbing is.
It's solid compared to contemporary armor, but we're not dealing with Bolters or plasma/laser weaponry or Tyranids. I don't think that armor is gonna save you from anything other than small arms fire.
The Armour doesn't protect, The Emporer Protects!! 😐
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I wonder if having the pectoral plates would simply help guide a round into the center of the chest or not.
Maybe, but that is probably more of a issue with boob plate like you see on some Sister of Battle armour. Also, 40k use a lot of energy based weapons & I can't see it being an issue with them for the most part.
Average lifespan of a guardsmen: 15 hours
Logistically giving a guardsman any equipment other than helmet and weapon is nonsense
Isn't Imperial flak armor invulnerable against modern day weapons?
Yeah since it a stronger metallic.
This is just cadian. Review Mordian Iron Guard armor.
Another thing to note is that your lasgun chargepack is about 1/5th lighter than a conventional magazine but holds twice more shots.
1 in your lasgun and 3 spare chargepacks is already 240 rounds per guardsman.
Good armor except for the fact that in the setting its compeltly useless
They also use webbing.
Ah yes, the Imperial tinfoil 😂
No, Imperial Guard armour is very poor protection!
Pretty sure slaves cover the logistics. The imperial guard move quick and light with space marines and other heavy infantry like knights or titans breaking sieges.
I honestly don't know how common slaves are in the Imperium. They're frequently used on large space ships, but I haven't heard any mention of the Imperial Guard using them. I'm pretty sure the Guard handle their logistics with actual guardsmen.