BSA Goldstar 650 | Ride Review | By an Interceptor 650 owner |
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- I enjoyed meeting the BSA Goldstar 650 for the first time, and despite the cold weather and greasy roads, I enjoyed this ride. No bike is perfect though, and upon reflection, I didn't fall in love in the same way I did with my Interceptor 650 (or Classic 350 for that matter).
The Engine has plenty of torque, though due to the weather conditions, I couldn't test this fully. The gearbox was slick, though when pressing the lever down to make sure you are in first, it travels further down, and again when ensuring you are in top gear, it does the same there too ; a bit of an odd feeling, but one which you would get used to.
I mention a lot, that this is a small / low motorcycle. I actually found it to be quite cramped in the leg department, though this was hard to explain, so I didn't mention it in the video. It would definitely suit shorter riders, though I don't consider myself to be tall at 5ft 9" with an inside leg of 30". I really do suggest that if you are interested in the BSA, you try it for size.
The chassis / suspension, felt nice. Plush without being vague, and better than the original units fitted to the Interceptor (I have YSS shocks fitted to the rear on mine).
The Pirelli Phantom Sports Comp tyres, are the same as fitted to the Interceptor. On the Interceptor, I think very highly of them, with very little "white lining", but on the BSA, it was the opposite. very prominent "white lining". Whether this was due to the relaxed frame geometry on the BSA, I really don't know. Maybe the tyre pressures were a bit low......?
Overall though, the BSA felt good, and I was impressed, but it didn't grab me by the wotnot's and say "buy me". Perhaps another ride in better weather, would change that, but controversially, I don't think it looks as pretty as the Interceptor either. Of course, I have no doubt whatsoever that it will sell, as it is a nice motorcycle, ideal for bimbling along A + B roads, with the occasional dual carriageway blast.
Thanks again to Roger at Crewe Motorcycle Centre, for inviting me to have a test ride, and thank you for watching.
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Great honest review Ian, I was there yesterday, test rode that bike and wenton the same route as you. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Plenty of power. Easy to ride, quite small like you said but I did feel special riding a BSA.
….ahh, that’s a nice way of putt it, felt special riding a BSA. I think you should have a test ride on the RE Interceptor next time 🤭🤔😎 cheers
@@ianhughesroyalenfield thanks Ian! I’ve owned an interceptor and loved it, need to road test the Super Meteor next. They’re something special, the build quality of the Royal Enfield has improved immensely. So for the same price as the BSA you could cruise down the road in style. 3 yrs warranty, proven engine. We will see. 😁👍👍
@@chrisgreen8128 ahh, sorry. The Super Meteor does look a really nice bike, not for me though, as I’m not keen on feet forward cruisers. Still wouldn’t say no to a test ride though 😀. Totally agree about the warranty, and the established dealer network. You will have to come back here, and let me know your thoughts if you get to test ride one before me 😉. My 350 Classic is due a service in March, so hopefully I will get Roger to do it, and again hopefully he will have one for me to test ride then. Fingers crossed, he has a demo Hunter then too. 😁. Cheers
@@ianhughesroyalenfield thanks Ian, I will defo try one, if you don’t you’ll always wish you had. I think BSA is on to a winner though, perhaps they will be improvements later down the line when they’re established and taken note of the feed back off owners. There’s two things i didn’t like were obvious to me. The discolouring of the exhaust, that should be chrome and the poor quality switch gear. Bu like I said next year they will probably improve on things like the RE. Cheers Ian take care and enjoy 2023 on your bike 😎👍
@@chrisgreen8128 yes, that discolouration of the exhaust by the foot peg, is a bit odd, and the rest of it changing so soon is a bit worrying. I am actually not a fan of stainless exhausts, due to the way they discolour. Have had them on other bikes, and they are a pain to keep shiny. That’s the only thing holding me back from buying a pair of the Hitchcock’s free flow down pipes for my Interceptor. Thanks for the chat, much appreciated.
Amazing loved it thanx Ian.
So pleased you enjoyed the ride 😉
Good one Ian, I found this amongst your vids and its great, excellent in depth review - shame they're not coming down under
Hi Tom. There are another two from a longer ride I did in the Spring. It's a good bike.. I didn't realise they weren't being sold worldwide, how odd 🤔
Good to hear the views of an Interceptor owner and good to see a Goldstar in silver.
It is always surprising the effect that small changes to the ergonomics of a bike actually make. In the past I have lifted a set of handlebars by less than an inch and you would think it was a completely different bike. An even greater change was felt when I lowered the footpegs and moved them forward by 3/4 of an inch. Manufacturers really should make 'bars and pegs fully adjustable. (yes, I am 6'4'' 😭)
The BSA will give riders more choice, which is always a good thing. I think BSA will struggle given that RE have had the market to themselves and have a large dealer network already set up.
Mahindra also owns Jawa, so maybe they will bring those to the UK as well. 😀👍
Totally agree with the adjustable pegs, a simple idea, which could make the world of difference to so many. I haven’t heard many good things about the Jawa, hopefully the future is brighter for the BSA. Thanks for the comment.
Great video Ian and everything I had hoped for. 😊 interesting about the break pedal, I never had any issue with it, it made me wonder if they are going to vary in finish🤔 You are spot on with the 350 likeness. If RE made a 650 classic there would be some stiff competition for the BSA to overcome. 😊 Loved the video, thank you 😊
I also think that they have put the demo bikes out there, to get feedback from “real world” riders, and maybe they will tweak things before rolling the bikes out to customers. Cheers.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Quite possibly. 😊
It's a shame that they didn't remake the A65.
Yes, but then it really would have had it’s work cut out against the established Interceptor. It would be really good if that was on the cards for the future, I would be tempted, but they would seriously have to get the look and feel right with it to tempt me. Cheers
@@ianhughesroyalenfield What ever the future holds its going to be interesting 😊
I've been riding an Sportster 883 for more than 10 years, and this one it's a candidate for my next bike, but the last thing I saw about it it's that it will be distributed in Europe thru Peugeot network, cause it belongs to Mahindra too, anyway thanks for the review
You could be right. Though hopefully the UK dealer network will soon be up to speed. I have noticed, that new owners are starting to receive their new bikes, so hopefully distribution is now sorted. Cheers
Interesting - I'm looking at an Iron 883 or a Gold Star for my next bike - what happened???
MotoGB are the dealers here in the UK. There are many dealers, but the Goldstar hasn’t sold as well as was anticipated, so there are some real bargain prices out there. The warranty has also been increased to 4 years, so an added incentive.
Got a like from me! Thanks for uploading this and braving the cold weather to give us your thoughts on the Goldstar! I want BSA to do well I just fear that the RE Twins have set a very high bar.
Absolutely. It was very chilly, and greasy in places. I didn’t want to go throwing £7k worth of bike in the hedge 😂 The Interceptor has the edge in my opinion. Cheers for the comment and the like, really appreciate it.
Interesting to hear your perspective Ian, especially about the riding position and size of the bike. The gauges look great! It does sound a bit like a lawnmower with the baffles in 😗at least on video. I suspect that it will never sound as good as a twin cylinder bike can. It is good to see another classic bike on the market though and I wish BSA every success.
It’s a shame that the exhaust is so long, the note off the bike, even with the baffles in, is very pleasing to the ear, but you can’t hear it on the bike sadly. Removing the baffle would fix that 😂
It's a single. You'll never get that twin rumble.
@@peterford9369 indeed, but the sound could be made more pleasing. As mentioned, I believe it has a removable baffle, that would help. I fitted a decat to my RE Classic 350, now it’s just nice. 👍I still prefer the sound of my Interceptor with her Scorpion exhausts 😎
Just watched your review, its now the end of September 2023 and I've only seen one Goldstar on the road. An owners review after a year will be interesting to see how they stand up to UK weather.
Morning Simon, I haven’t seen any on the road yet. They haven’t been as successful as BSA expected them to be, despite the MCN award. There is a chap I watch occasionally, youtube.com/@flhelectraglide?si=uIb7fUJfqUuHlQNY who does ride vids, but he doesn’t talk whilst riding. I doubt many will be ridden throughout the year though, but yes it would be interesting.
nice test ride Ian, all in all it seems to be a very nice bike. Obviously compared to the the interceptor but actually filling the gap left behind by the classic 500. Lead times will be the initial problem and time will tell how well BSA deal with any teething issues. 🙂
Totally agree. Cheers
Pin striping on a Royal Enfield is done by hand, with paint and a brush. I love that idea. Having seen it at the NEC, this was one of my few doubts. Detail. I think this bike needed quality parts,and from what I could see, paint and fasteners had a way to go. Stickers on the engine too. Why not embossed? Even Mutt stick a casting on a Chinese engine. I want it towork out, however it's been such a long wait, and as yet no bikes actually delivered. I'll hold on to my enfield, and with the 650 meteor on the horizon, lots of bike for your quid.
Totally agree 👌
I'm totally with you regarding the seat verses the Interceptor seat. The original Interceptor seat is like an ironing board and the MK.1 touring seat was no better!!The MK.2 seems a better effort haven't had chance to try it yet due to naff weather!! BSA seems a reasonable effort but it doesn't jump out at me .😊
I think my Interceptor touring seat is the mk1, and found it to be a vast improvement after it had bedded in over a few hundred miles. Agree, I still prefer the Interceptor.cheers
@@ianhughesroyalenfield my local dealer has the Goldstar alongside their RE line-up. I'm fortunate that I'd be able to try the Interceptor back to back with the BSA. Then there's the new Super Meteor which they'll have in the new year.
@@PhilipBallGarry it would be interesting to hear your back to back view, from a neutral perspective, as I am rather Interceptor biased. 🤔 Cheers.
As a GoldStar owner since the 1st of March I'm with you about comparing it to an Interceptor. A single and a twin are totally different, character wise. Strangely I'm a much bigger guy than you yet i didn't think it was as small as you thought. I did try an Interceptor, which i really liked but the servicing of the two bikes made me finally go for the BSA, there's a big difference in servicing intervals and costs eg. my first service was at 500 miles and only cost £100, at my dealer in West Lancashire.
Morning Ian. Good to hear that you are enjoying the Goldstar. Having ridden it twice, this first short ride in pretty awful conditions, then a second, much longer ride (two vids) in Spring sunshine, it really is a lovely bike for blatting around our pothole covered country lanes. That seat, being so much more comfortable than the Interceptor, even better than the touring one I had on mine. It must be just me who found it a small bike, as absolutely no-one has ever mentioned it 😂. I have heard people complain about the rear suspension, but I actually quite liked it, again compared to the Interceptor, it was pure luxury. Even after the second ride, at the end, I do say that I like it, but that I preferred the Interceptor, but since selling the Interceptor, I am not so sure. Roger has said that I can take the Goldstar out again in the spring, so it would be rude to refuse the offer 😉. I have also seen that there are a good selection of accessories beginning to appear, from the likes of Moorespeed Racing, that’s always a good thing. Thanks for watching this video, and have a Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄
Great review Ian, thanks for doing such a great job, not the best weather was it but you had a good run, I must get out on it and give it a run myself, keep up the good work, see you soon
Glad you enjoyed it. It means a lot 😁
Awesome review in good old British weather. I get a second one of these one day
Thank you. I did go out again on the BSA in the spring. Much better weather on that occasion, and a much longer ride (two vids).
the 350 classic in halcyon green is an amazing piece of work. i keep catching people taking photos of mine.
Yes, the 350’s are beauties. I have admirers wherever I end up on mine 😎 cheers
Isn't it, halcyon BLUE ??? (I have one)
( - I believe there is NO halcyon GREEN !!!)
@Terry Vincent no its def halcyon green ..there is a halcyon grey ( I have one) which actually looks more like a powder blue
Good down to earth and realistic review. Saw one in the show room last week and even though I've been critical of the radiator in photos and videos, it really is not an issue is the flesh.
Thank you. Have you seen the other two I did in better weather ? I took it for a long ride, split into two videos. Nice bike 👍
@@ianhughesroyalenfield No. But I will make sure I do.
@joedudz here you go…….
part one czcams.com/video/rc3OtB9nOo0/video.htmlsi=eZWfIu6HuZcmZRxL
Part two czcams.com/video/s6dBqijc2I8/video.htmlsi=scD83RZL1Z5Xjk0Z
EXCELLENT video Ian.
REALLY ENJOYED it.
10/10.
LOVE the sound of that motor.
CANNOT WAIT till it comes to Australia. (maybe 12 months?!)
Regards.
Thank you, so pleased that you enjoyed it. 🤗. I am sure it will get to you eventually.
Your're quite right Ian, the rear light is wrong, the mudgard should be longer with the light and number plate attached on a traditional bracket.
Thank you, glad it’s not just me who thinks that 🤗
The way the rear mudguard sits is the same as the original Goldstar.
Look at the two bikes side by side. On the original, the mudguard continues further down, with the rear light bracket mounted higher up. On the new 650, the mudguard has been cut shorter, with the rear light bracket mounted below it. 😉
A cracking real world review Ian, it’s a lovely looking bike that could definitely do with a better soundtrack, though I’m sure there will be plenty of aftermarket pipes available soon. Compared with the interceptor I think it’s going to be down to personal choice, single or twin they both have pro’s and con’s and both look the part
Definitely. Cheers
It don't sound bad for a modern bike. But would be nice if it could capture that original Goldstar sound. Some of the Hinckley Bonnie's have nice aftermarket pipes and sound quite original. By exhaust note that is.
I think the exhaust silencer could have finished a bit shorter too. Would like to hear without the baffle fitted, I am sure that would help.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield removing the cat may help to. It will sound better and with a remap a bit more umph.
@@craig6119 well that worked on my Classic 350 🤣 (no remap required)
It is a really nice looking bike, I like the bench seats. Having just got the RE 350 there is a tiny bit of buyers remorse, but I would only ride this at the same speed, maybe quicker to accelerate. I'm not sure I can part with 3k more just for that
Totally agree with you…….no remorse though. I know I am a lucky boy having an Interceptor 650 and a Classic 350, if I won the lottery I might be tempted with the BSA, otherwise, I am happy enough. Having that little bit of extra grunt would help, but both my wife and I agree that the BSA doesn’t look half as good as either the Interceptor or Classic 350. Thanks for the comment.
As a happy owner of a W650 I would be looking for a single to compliment it. The 350 Classic is underpowered so the BSA could be for me. I like the looks of it and after watching some good reviews will now go for a test ride.
Best idea. I do like the “W” series Kawasaki’s, nice bikes. Agree that the 350 is underpowered when jumping off a 650, but I quite like it’s lazy lollop 😂 cheers
Dont get me wrong, I really like the 350 Classic but was hoping RE would bring out a 500 for a bit more power. It will be interesting to see if Triumph come up with a 500 single.
The Triumph sounds good, but will they sell it here, or continue with that collaboration with the Indian company to just sell it there, like the Honda H’ness ? I am sure that RE will be looking forward, and I would imagine there will be a bigger single in the pipeline. 😃
@@ianhughesroyalenfield I predict that the current Enfield 650s will morph into a 750cc by the company's 125th year....very soon. I already put the Weisco 83.5mm pistons in my Interceptor, now 743cc.
@@frederickwoods5943 oooo, nice 👌
Good review Ian, it being a single is what draws me to it and the look of it…. the RE 350 line up is a little underpowered for my liking and this would seem the way to go…. would do great next to my Bonneville T100😊👍
Thank you, sounds like a plan ☺️
I've a number of old triumphs and my heart keeps going to the interceptor I was interested in a gold I'll probably still book a test ride but I think I'll get an inter....
Good choice, I don’t think you would be disappointed. I wouldn’t sell mine, love it too much. The BSA was nice enough, and maybe the suspension was a bit better, but it still isn’t as good as the Interceptor in my opinion. It just didn’t grab me and say ‘buy me” like the Interceptor did. Envious of your Triumph collection 😉 Thanks for the comment.
Nice one Ian... I fancied the Goldstar but went a bit smaller and got myself a new Enfield Hunter last week. Hope you are keeping well. Haven't seen you in years.
Hey up Kev, good to hear from you. Hope you are all well. I really need to get a Hunter test ride sorted. I am hoping to get Roger, at Crewe Motorcycle Centre, to service my Classic 350 early March. Hoping he has a Hunter and Super Meteor I can take out and do a review video on. What colour Hunter did you get ? Hopefully you are a subscriber 🤗, and you enjoy watching my rides on both my bikes. Please keep the comments coming, and well done on your choice of bike. The little 350’s are an absolute joy. Cheers
Brilliant Review Ian, I hope that the BSA is successful! I confess to being a Royal Enfield fan & it’s obvious like it or not the new BSA will be compared with the R E Interceptor! I like thousands of other bike fans I have been waiting to see this new bike!(& hopefully later get to try one!) Sadly for me this bike(like I say I haven’t rode one!) Doesn’t jump out to me! When I first saw the Interceptor I Fell in Love with it! & I still do! Am sure the BSA once they sort out there sales it will sell well! Good luck to them!
Same here, the first time I threw my leg over my Interceptor, I knew that she was a keeper. Thanks for the comment.
Nice one Ian, from what I've seen all the reviews on the BSA have been positive so far, it's a good looking bike....
It’s not without it’s faults though. If you haven’t already looked, check out my video description. When we ride, we get wrapped up in the moment, but on reflection, some things aren’t so good. Still a good bike though. Cheers
I bought my first bike in Crewe..... 44 years ago. It was a Honda CD175. I'd only ridden a bog seat, off road before that and i picked up the CD and rode it straight back to college at Reaseheath. Ended up in a ditch, but you live and learn
I like the BSA..... and Crewe Motorcycles seems to be my nearest dealer
Interesting. Do you have a relative called John Done ? I went to Sound County Primary (on the Whitchurch road), and he was there too. I think a lot of us took that route, bog seat then something half decent. My wife used to work at Reaseheath, looking after the “inmates” 😂, and special functions. I am a dabber, born and bred, so nice to read your comment. Thank you.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield...... I left Reaseheath in 79 as an engineer and now I keep a few sheep and pigs. Done is an old Cheshire/Shropshire name
@@juliandone15 sounds like a dream life. Good call.
The height looks like loads of ground clearance, so your comment on its lowness is surprising. Of course looks can be deceiving. After all,, you're on it.
All the vids of it I've watched, the thing that pops out is the sound. That single picks up every stroke. Riding weather is certainly worrisome. Ice is definitely not a picnic for 4 tires, much less 2.
17 miles. It's still an infant. What 250 do you have?
When I was 12, my uncle had a Yamaha 250, and I thought that was the fastest, coolest thing ever. Now at 70, and having had a VMAX for 10 years, I know better. Now I have a 2005 triumph T100. And that's just fine . No radiator, electronics etc. But sweet and nice to ride. And that's plenty.
Man u can definitely hear the single tone. And I really like that exhaust. Good lines and stainless steel. Just perfect. It's a BSA, what's left to say.
Thanks for the ride along 👍.. Happy Holidays.
It is kind of odd, that no-one else seems to think it is low. Yes, the ground clearance looks good, but bare in mind that I have been riding my RE Classic 350 lately, as my Interceptor 650 is in winter storage. The seat height on the BSA felt low, compared to the Classic 350, plus in the riding position, the BSA felt cramped to me. This must just be me though, as nobody else has mentioned it. I do look forward to the spring (and hopefully decent weather), when I will ride it again.
I don’t have a 250 anything. The Triumph T100 is a good bike, and I would think does everything you want/need it to.
All the best, and thanks for the comment.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Sorry. Must have mis heard when you said 350. My bad.
Take care ✌️
Hey, no worries. Cheers
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Hi Ian, there is no doubt the frame design could be shorter in height than the bikes u have. After all, this is supposed to be a copy of the BSA, not any RE motorcycles. If the frame is not as tall, that would be a reason for it to feel smaller, most definitely. So obviously they're not using a Royal Enfield frame to create a BSA. We know the seat generally sits directly on the top frame and the pegs on the lower cradle bars. Ground clearance is created by the front fork length and the swingarm angle. Tires also create ground clearance. Larger tires make more clearance. But frame height is definitely a cause for a cramped riding position. So you are probably right, being you rode it, that it's smaller some how. You have my vote. Thanks again and happy New Year my friend.
I think I was more amazed how deceptive the photos of it were. It looked quite chunky, so I was quite shocked when I saw it in the flesh. Cheers. All the best to you.
HI Ian, at work so will have to catch this later!
Hi , well said , I heard some where the rake on the forks has been pushed out to a further angle , slightly more cruiser style , so that might be why , you said not quiet neutral ? Well the battle of the 60,s will be back . Having rode a friends old Goldie back then in racing style and a RRT2 GEAR BOX , it is one to put in the lounge and admire ,rather than a Christmas tree . My old Triumph was a lot more nimble for buzzing around on and no slipping the clutch to 30 mph . I think they have made a nice job of this new one and seems suited to the traffic of today . No ranting from you so I take it , that it is ok , but taking a blow torch to the brake lever could be on the cards . Thanks for your thoughts and video , have a good Christmas .🤔😉👍
Thank you so much. As said, I wouldn’t trade my Interceptor in for one though. The difference rake angle, may also explain the white lining. Cheers.
I'm late coming to the party with this one Ian, but videos of the BSA are still a bit sparse, and I must admit I belong to the pros with this bike, and I wouldn't mind owning one. Those flipping needles would take some getting used to, and I'm going to put the cat among the pigeons and say that I wouldn't mind hanging a sidecar on the side of one! Nice test cheers. 👍😎
I think it would suit a chair strapped to the side too. I had the chance to ride this BSA again last week when we were visiting family, but I declined, as the weather was no better than on this ride really, wet but not quite as cold. I will do it again, but on a dry day, when I can give it a proper test ride. Cheers
The stickers on it def put me off it and the tank size. Am def passing till have seen the sup meteor.
But nice vid and review! Weather def worse here today so think you did well to get out💪
Cheers. Yes the small details like the decals, and the tank pinstripe would annoy over time. Cheers
I think he will fit nicely with clem and honour on ur driveway 😉. This bike sounds a nice and really good looking bike Ian.
No no no noooooo. 😂
I reckon you could put a thinner but longer radiator like on a Triumph & no doubt be one in aftermarket eventually.A few reviewers have said the R.E Interceptor/Gt are better handling in the front forks but again aftermarket like Yss on Interceptor.
If you really want a modern big single modern classic there's not much out there Mash 650 & BSA 650 when it comes.I prefer twins myself but can see the appeal.
Totally agree. I can’t believe that RE haven’t got a big single in the pipeline either. 🤔 Cheers RR.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield I think 🤔 R.E working on a water cooled 450 adv single bike around 38-40hp 40Nm.
Twins are more popular to & the new Classic is a 650 twin in year or 2.
@@ruahinesrider from the very few photos I have seen of the 450, it looks quite modern. I am sure they will bring out a new replacement for the Classic 500.
A chilly ride on a nice looking, comfortable plodder compared the the revvy nature of the interceptor. Keep searching for that dry line.
We all want to hear those baffles removed.
I know the dealer well enough to hopefully make that happen come springtime. Being an Interceptor and Classic 350 owner, I have the best of both worlds. 😃. Cheers
Nicely done!
Thank you.
Nice lookin bike. I can understand the Interceptor comparisons, fair enough till you get to the engine of course.
The imitation push rod tunnel is out of place, as the Goldies had an alloy engine with the push rod tunnel integrated, this represents the iron engined B31/33. Still looks good though but and my comment is not a criticism.
Glad to hear the suspension is better than the Interceptors, as this is the Interceptors weak spot. I know people criticise the Inty’s seat, but I/we have never had a problem with it.
The BSA is gonna have to be a damn good bike to compete with the Interceptor. Will defo have to blag a test ride. Will I buy one? Yes; provided the bike is priced sensibly and I enjoy the test ride.
A great video Ian, as always; your opinion is valued.
Soz to be an anorak Ian. 350 Gold Stars were 32’s and the 500’s were 34’s.
Hope you and Ann had a marvellous Xmas day and enjoy your Boxing Day my friend.
Take care.
Neil
You are not being an anorak, I don’t really know much about BSA singles. The only British single I owned was a 1947 Norton Model 18, in 1983. Ann owned, (but ridden by her late husband), a B31 350, which I did ride a couple of times, nice bike. Glad you enjoyed the vid, just working on another, though we have visitors so I don’t think it will be out until tomorrow. 🙄 Thanks for the comment Neil, much appreciated.
Everyone says oh yeah the radiator is a bit weird but you get use to it ect,my views on it is if you must put it on, at least make it a little more subtle and aesthetically pleasing, not like it was pulled out of a land rover 🙄
Before seeing it in the flesh, I thought they had nicked it off a Massey Ferguson 135 😂
@@ianhughesroyalenfield exactly, I just think that they could have done much better with the integration and design, other bikes have 🤷🏻♂️ oh yeah and did you take a closer look at the finish on the radiator sides, to me in videos it looks like painted mild steel or cheap metal, but obviously it's hard to say without actually seeing up close.
To be honest I didn’t, maybe it is satin like the fork shrouds. I would have taken more time over the video if it hadn’t been so cold 🥶, going into closer detail etc. Roll in the spring, when I will have another bash, hopefully in warmer weather with nice dry roads 😆
GOOD REPORT OUR KID, IN THE SPRING YOU CAN GIVE IT SOME WELLY/
That would be good. When back down that neck of the woods, it will also be on a better road too. Cheers 👍
Lovely review Ian, a honest comparing as you are a Interceptor rider as well! I think the BSA is a marvellous good looking bike and truly hope that they will arrive in Sweden as well. Might take some time though… As the height, if it’s that low, it could be a good bike for my lenght perhaps. I’m really looking forward to see and hear this bike in reality. Thanks once again for your review Ian! Cheers
So pleased that you enjoyed it, something a bit different for me. Think Classic 350 on speed, and you are pretty much there 😂. I am sure it will eventually get to you, in the meantime, I am afraid you will have to just ogle at CZcams video’s, I am sure there will be many more coming out in the not too distant future, and probably better than my offering 😉. Thank you.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield I love the Classic 350 Ian, really enjoyed my testride last summer and was planning to buy one, but I want to have a little bit more power to avoid some circumstances here on the road, and also a bit better customer service when we are speaking about RE here in Sweden. But that’s an another story, hopefully some development will come here in Sweden for RE and services. In the meantime I enjoy the YT videos and believe me when I say that I appreciate reviews like yours and TAYM above the ’big guys, and schoolteachers’ reviews! Truly I do!
Back to the BSA, yeah we also discussed the fact that this bike might be a mix of a Classic 500/350 and even perhaps a Bonneville when we are talking about riders position. There are rumours that there will be a Classic 650? I hope so though! But seeing is believing😉 For now I truly hope the BSA will enter Sweden very soon and in the meantime I will have my eyes on YT🤣
I understand what you are saying about the 350’s lack of power. Especially on faster roads. Sorry to hear that the customer service isn’t up to scratch in Sweden, not good. Your comment about the school teachers made me laugh 😂. Really good to have your support, appreciated as always.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield You can always ask TAYM about which teacher I mean🤣🤣 Take care Ian! Greetings to your wife, hope she is doing well today!
Is it FD by any chance ? Or maybe SF ? As for my wife, she has a hospital appointment this Saturday. Really looking forward to that, lots of questions. Thanks for asking.
Enjoyed that Ian Very nice review
As you say I think most of the tech has been discussed already and well done in the freezing 🥶 conditions and looking forward to testing one myself shortly 😊😊
The baffle definitely needs removing and if I do get one itl be out because it
Just needs that proper single cylinder sound!! Even my littie C11 sounds better and that’s a 250
But I do like the machine
Well done and take care on those roads 😊😊😊
Thank you, much appreciated.
Great video. I think you sum up what I've gotten from various reviews so far in that its a nice, quality bike for the type of riding you've done here...but I agree also its (subjectively) not as good looking, or sounding as the interceptor...also I've seen various interceptor first ride reviews which have put a smile/laugh on the reviewers face, suggesting this may not have the same fun factor. Still more interested in the interceptor.
Definitely agree with you. The moment I threw my leg over my Interceptor, I was in love, and knew we would be together for a long time. As I have often said in my video’s, I can’t ever see myself selling Honour (Interceptor). I just didn’t get that on the BSA, even though it is a good bike. Like my wife said ; “After a polishing session, could you see yourself sitting back in your chair, pint in hand, just staring admiringly at your pride and joy, from whatever angle” and sadly the BSA doesn’t even come close when compared to the Interceptor in that score. I sincerely hope the BSA does well though. Thanks for the comment, appreciate it.
In the days of sports bikes, Bandits and Fazers etc, you would never have believed the current popularity of traditional style bikes, and even less so the demise of the Japanese brands in favour of the old British names.
I’ve had a few coffees at the Aqueduct Marina this year. Nice spot actually. Catch you over the Christmas period...
I agree. Yes see you Boxing Day, kettle will be on 👌
The Interceptor looks good from both sides not so the Gold Star. Not a criticism just an observation.
Definitely agree.
Nice review Ian thanks. My T100 has Pirelli Phantoms on too and I've found them ok. Probably because I'm not nailing every apex now I've rediscovered just how much fun going a bit slower is these days. Unlike some who've replaced them early, I'll be riding mine until they're ready. Maybe Avon Roadriders then - hopefully they'll be back in stock by that time 👍
Isn’t it funny how different riders have different opinions on the same tyre. I have read complaints from people who ride the Classic 350, and can’t wait to get rid of the CEAT tyres. I think they are fine too 😂
I am afraid some of your comments have disappeared. I removed a certain person’s comments as he was starting to get on my nerves, and just wouldn’t let go. Unfortunately yours went too. Sorry about that 😢
@@ianhughesroyalenfield No problem Ian. Sometimes you DO have to throw the baby out with the bath water. Total Troll 🙄
@@PhilipBallGarry absolutely, to be honest I let it go too far. I was just hoping he would drop it, as I encourage comments, but enough was enough. Thank you.
that lorry looks very wonky!
nice review, cheers.
Wonky ? 😂
First test I’ve seen that mentions how low it is. Wonder if other testers haven’t mentioned it in case it’s seen as a criticism of the bike? However, it’s s valid piece of information, especially for the longer legged amongst us. 👍
Thank you. It’s definitely low. Did you read my video description ? When test riding, I think we are all guilty of looking at the bike with rose tinted spectacle’s, especially when, like me, you don’t really do that kind of thing. It is when you go away and think about it a bit, that you really start thinking deeply. The “Z” factor, starting at the feet/ankle, the knee and going up to the hip, did feel quite cramped. It was ok on this short ride, but I do wonder what it would be like on longer trips. You can kind of see what I am on about in the thumbnail photo, but even then, I am in a relaxed pose. Thanks for the comment.
Massive oil cooler rad totally kills the retro look..
Having had a good look around one the crank case castings look like they’ve been painted with silver Hammerite.
Enfield have nothing to worry about
The Rotax engine is water cooled, hence why the rad is so big. Admittedly it could do with being smaller though. I have ridden it twice now (total 3 vids), with the second run being quite a lengthy one, making two vids. Tbh, the rad didn’t seem to stand out so much second time round. Not a bad bike at all, rides our pot hole ridden roads quite well. Would sound better with the baffle removed, as it sounds a bit wheezy as is. Agree that Enfield have nothing to worry about.
First.... good job on the review overall. Second... whenever the bike gets the slightest bit above idle you shift to the next gear. It's unnecessary and a bit annoying. I know it's not a sport bike and I know it's a single cylinder. I had a single 650 also not long ago. Nevertheless, you are almost, not quite but almost, lugging the bike. Let it wind up just a little bit every now and again. Even on a new bike it won't hurt a thing. Three... All of the other people who have reviewed the bike that I've watched have gotten the bike up to about 80 mph and they say that the bike is amazingly smooth and balanced and didn't vibrate like they expected. You never went fast but you were speculating that the bike wouldn't be as good as the interceptor at higher speeds since the interceptor is a twin. Yes, that is normally what one would imagine. However, you may not be correct if the other reviewers were honest. Thanks and have a great day.
Thank you. Under normal circumstances, as in when the road conditions aren’t greasy and -2 degrees ambient temperature, I guarantee that my riding style would have been completely different. It was actually touch and go as to whether I would have been allowed to get out on the BSA at all. I have bought many new bikes over the years, and know the running in procedure, and fully understand that letting the bike lug, is almost as bad as giving it a damn good thrashing. I thought the short blasts I gave it on the open roads were ok, taking it just over 60mph (our National speed limit). I thought that I suggested that both bikes would be similar in performance, but the power was delivered in a different way. The Interceptor being higher revving, the BSA being more low down (plodder). I do apologise if my terminology was incorrect, but as I am unfamiliar with doing bike reviews (this being my first new bike review), trying to come up with the right words, whilst concentrating on the rather difficult road conditions, is obviously something I need to work on in the future. I do hope you have a good day too.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Thanks for the response. No worries. You are very kind. Cheers.
I've had experience of a similar Rotax engine to that in an Aprilia 650 and a Bimota SuperMono (!)...it's all about the mid-range. He's not revving it enough, and that's very bad practice on a new engine of that type.
Sorry you saw it that way, but I didn’t rev it enough as it was -2 degrees, greasy roads and tyres that had only done 17 miles. Out on the open road I did 60mph + where I considered it safe to do so. I too have owned big singles in the 44+ years I have been riding, admittedly not Rotax engined though.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield well done for trying in those temps...it's pretty much impossible to evaluate a bike in those conditions.
I can't help thinking that the style of the Gold Star is going to attract the attention of the 'change up at 2000 rpm' brigade, when the engine isn't really suitable for that at all.
Great video, Thankyou
Just wanted to ask you about the socks you mentioned what are they , thinking Christmas present for hubby 😊
They are Gold Top Merino Wool (75%) Socks. I usually just wear normal socks, with a second pair of boot socks over the top. My feet would have been icy cold within about 3 or 4 miles in these conditions. James (Ainsworth Rider), suggested these Gold Tops in the comments of my review on the RST Paragon 6 heated gloves. I wore them, just on their own, and was really impressed. Someone else suggested Alpaca socks, which I have also bought, so I will do a comparison review at some point. Wearing one of each at the same time 😂
Thanks for that information will look into it,
hubby bought the gloves after your review 😂
Safe riding 👍
Ahh, that’s good to know. Hope he is as impressed as me with them 😎
Hey Ian the trouble these days my friend is to much traffic I remember the days of rush hour and then tranquility , but now it's rush all day 😁. Not a bad looker but I prefer the looks of the Interceptor all day long , the exhaust looks to be discoloring very quickly , I don't know why but many manufacturers these days seem to use metal that just looks awful after a very short time . This one is no exception , it seems your paying out an awful lot of money for a bike with poor quality exhaust systems I have a 20 year old bike and the exhaust is fine no discoloration at all . On this one the silencer has even started to go,.great watch cheers 👌👍
Totally agree. The Interceptor is much better looking, I am not a fan of stainless exhaust systems, and that is pure example of why. After my ride, the BSA has only covered about 35 miles. I would be stopping at lay-by’s to apply Solvol Autosol 😂 Thank you.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Me too 😂
@@crumblymal8479 😂
Very nice video. How would you compare riding the new BSA vs RE 350 apart from power / torque difference?
Hmm, interesting question. Believe it or not, in my opinion, the seat to foot peg position on the BSA feels cramped when compared to the Classic 350 (I am 5ft 9” inside leg of 30”), and I am really surprised others haven’t mentioned that point. Although cornering ability is similar on both, I didn’t find the BSA to be as confidence inspiring as the 350, but that might be because I am more familiar with the 350 (owned since July 2022), or because the roads were awful. The little 350 corners really well, if a little slow to turn in ; I found myself not as smooth on roundabouts on the BSA. The Ceat tyres on the 350 certainly suit it better, than the Pirelli Phantom tyres suit the BSA, but as mentioned , that may be down to pressure’s. I suppose the question would be, if I could get a straight swap ; the 350 for the BSA, would I do it 🤔 You know what, I am not sure. Yes the 350 is a lot slower in all aspects, but it is an absolute joy to bimble around with no urgency to get to wherever I am going. I don’t know whether that has helped at all, I don’t think I have answered your question very well, but taking the power/torque out of it, makes it difficult. Obviously the price has to be considered, with the BSA being about £3k more than the 350. Thanks for your interesting question, it had me scratching my head a bit 😂
A great down to earth, no nonsense review. Maximum respect for taking the bike out on those awful roads. I think the “tram lining” on the white lines was probably caused by the Pirelli tyres, I experienced similar on my Pirelli phantom shod Triumph Street Twin. The gear change sounded a bit “clunky” was this apparent or was it just a characteristic of the mic ?
I really rate the Phantoms on my Interceptor 650, so much so, that when they need replacing, I will buy the same. Really confidence inspiring, even in the wet. I just didn’t get the same feeling on the BSA. Yes, first gear did go in with a clunk, but after that it wasn’t so bad. Not as smooth as either of my Enfield’s though. Thanks for the positivity, much appreciated.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Perhaps it wasn’t tyres however, I no longer own it due to the various problems encountered .
@@user-rf9me7xm1w oh dear, sorry to hear that.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Sorry to keep on, but having done some more research apparently, Pirelli phantoms made in Brazil are inferior to those made elsewhere and can cause tracking and even head shaking at speed. Perhaps Royal Enfield source the good ones. Also, after viewing your other very informative posts, I’m now actively pursuing a test ride on an interceptor. However, my local dealer makes it rather difficult. He demands a firm order for the new bike, including a deposit, before being let out to try one. I’ve never come across this before, do all RE dealers insist on this ?
@@user-rf9me7xm1w no they don’t, I think your dealer is being an arse 🤬. If you don’t mind me asking, are you UK based ? You might be right regarding the tyres, some other people don’t like them, but honestly I love them. You are NOT carrying on, this is constructive conversation. Nice to know you have looked at some of my other vids. Did that include the 16 month review ? I like that one 😂
Pricing is interesting between RE and BSA models.
Gold Star £6,500
Interceptor £6.199
Meteor £4.139
All are all full size motorcycles (this is important). You would imagine the Interceptor as a twin would be much more than the single cylinder Gold Star, but it isn't.
The Meteor is a single like the Gold Star, a sinle cylinder, but with a smaller piston and it's £2361 cheaper?
I really am surprised that BSA priced it over the Interceptor, even with the proper Brembo brakes. This could be a mistake, for the sake of a few hundred quid (per sale), they may have overpriced it. 🤔
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Looks to me like you're paying quite a bit for that BSA name!
@@ianhughesroyalenfield From what i've seen the BSA is worth the extra. It has that something extra.
It genuinely is a nice bike, but not enough for me. Obviously, most of us hope it does well, but it won’t be for everyone. Cheers
@@ianhughesroyalenfield It's a supply and demand thing that makes the BSA 650 more expensive than the RE 650, RE produce around 800, 000 motorcycles a year of many different models opposed to BSA's 1,000 per year of the current one model range. With RE producing so many more motorcycles they can drive a harder bargain for bought out parts from the manufacturers, also RE's motors are their own design and built inhouse, BSA have their motors built in Austria and shipped to India for final assembly, that adds to the cost of the final product. All in all, I don't consider the BSA to be over priced.
All of a sudden a blizzard of positive reviews about a totally unknown quality motorcycle.
I thought mine was quite mixed, with some negatives and positives. We can only go off face value, it’s a brand new release, so we have nothing else to go off, so can only say what we feel at the time on the ride.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield I have yet to see one negative review of the new BSA.
Give it time.
Nice review . missing the specs is good as all been done before. I will be taking a look but garage full at the moment. If its very light clutch and 5 speed that suits me. Not a fan of 6 speed boxes . Tendon probs. Don.t need 6 anyway with a torquey motor. 👍Also if you want to try my 500 trials we could meet up. When roads are better. Dunsop bridge?
Oooo, now that’s an offer I can’t refuse. Look forward to Spring 😃 Thank you.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield I love it. Not as refined as the 350classic but much more torque and long legs. Suspension better too. But not an off road bike . Just a styling exercise. But the sound and feel is classic.
Agree, I have always liked them, in both green like yours and the red/silver.
You said the bike was low. How tall are you and what is your inseam length ?
5ft 9” inside leg of 32” (in trouser size). No one else has mentioned it, so maybe it’s just a me thing. I mentioned it again on my second (and longer) ride too. czcams.com/video/rc3OtB9nOo0/video.html
Very nice 👍
Cheers
The noise and jug reminds me of the himilayan 411 engine ..
Well they are both fairly big singles, though I haven’t ridden a Himalayan, from watching other videos, I see where you are coming from. Cheers
Hi i am 6'00 and wondering if this BSA IS not too small for me regarding the low Seat. Anibody who ride this bike as a tall man could Say ? Merci d'avance salutations de France.
Good morning, I am 5ft 9” and did find it quite low, as you could hear me say, but I seem to be the only reviewer who has mentioned it. “The All Year Motorcyclist”, has ridden it twice, and never mentioned it. He is 6ft 2” and loved it.
Here is a link to one of his rides on the BSA czcams.com/video/qedqEVMkJkk/video.html
Also Mr Darcy and the Old man, have ridden it. They are both tall people czcams.com/video/EHxh1Gmi-a8/video.html
I hope this helps. Obviously, the only real way to tell, is to try and get a ride on one yourself. Cheers
@@ianhughesroyalenfield thanks for your answer Ian. I do appriciate these informations that is useful for me. Unfortunatly BSA is not in France at this Time so i expect its arrival about may or june.it's top far for my enthusiasm as a Real fan. Cheers Holly eastern .
@@philcasp4120 you are welcome my friend.
Hi Phil, if you are interested, I will be taking the Goldstar out for another ride on Tuesday, video will be uploaded towards the end of the week. There are no dealers local to me, so when visiting family, about 100miles away, I visit the dealer too. He has asked me to take it on an extended ride, so I might make it a two parter 😉
@@ianhughesroyalenfieldthanks a lot Ian. WE ARE lucky so i have been waiting this following part with great interest. All my best.
Does the engine share the same oil as the gearbox, then, like modern bikes?
Yes, the design is for looks only. In a similar way to how the pushrod tube serves no purpose other than to make a modern bike, look old. Cheers.
Evening Ian so you have a Classic just like I do same helmet, heated gloves and now even gold top socks 😃 which means that you are a chap of very good taste so what I won’t to know is would you swop Clementine for the Gold Star ? Did I say that I really enjoyed your video 😃🥃
We are kindred spirits 😂. I kind of had this discussion on another comment, and it is a tough decision. I genuinely don’t think I would, even if it was a straight swap. I really need to take the BSA out again, on dry roads with a bit of warmth in the air to be sure. Yes the extra torque would be beneficial, but I really like the lazy nature of the 350, especially when I just want a chilled ride. Yes, the BSA would do that, but I think I would end up riding it more like the Interceptor 😂. Plus the seating position just felt cramped in the leg department, which was a bit odd. When I first jumped on, my knees felt like they were too high up. Mad that others didn’t notice this, especially lanky buggers like Mr TAYM 😂😂😂 Cheers James
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Morning Ian funny you said that about the seat, I have short legs and even bought the lower seat for my Classic then because I like the bike so much I bought the Himalayan rode her through the Forest of Bowland and found her very cramped so bought a comfort cushion to rise the seat hight contradicting whatI have done on the Classic Funny that. So yes I think my money is staying in my pocket 😃
@@Ainsworth-Rider I think you should get out on a BSA if you get the chance.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield I don't think anyone likes giving the over 70s test rides 🙄
@@Ainsworth-Rider really ??? That’s a bit ageists 🤔, you should insist 👍
Mudguards apes the Goldies....
Do you see what I mean about the length of the rear mudguard, and that the tail unit needs to be higher up ?
Hi Ian fair thoughts about the bike 👍
Cheers.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield hi Ian between the interceptor and the BSA which one would you honestly have I know the bsa service is double the RE at 6000 miles but then again the bsa is water cooled
Interceptor, hands down. Not just in looks, but cornering wasn’t neutral on the BSA. The engine on the BSA is great, but so is the Interceptor, just delivers the power in a different way. Also, the riding leg position feels slightly cramped for me, a bit strange when taller riders haven’t mentioned it. 🤔
@@ianhughesroyalenfield thank you Ian for that information 👍👍🙏
Anytime.
At first glance, I doubt my eyes for that upside down gauges🤣🤣
A nod to how they were back in the 50’s on some bikes 😂
@@ianhughesroyalenfield same goes on Indian, the throttle barrel was left handed back then lol
@@vincentiusrioyoshilistyo6601 😳😂
@@ianhughesroyalenfield frankly, Interceptor 650 is the best choice for classic lineup in the market rn, for its value for money, its BQ isn't that bad (although for certain section, i'd say it's very awful especially its bolt and the groove, I've replaced it with stainless steel bolt and hexa bolt). Its engine I could say, it's fantastic, the sound of its machine combined with a pair of free flow exhaust is nothing but a symphony, gotta love the song of 270 deg. firing order, which also come with deep and burble exhaust note during deceleration. Have no regret at all after pick this Interceptor over Triumph Speed Twin 900, whilst Triumph comes at the double price of Interceptor yet it's been built outside England already.
I have also replaced many of the bolts on mine, using stainless button head hex screws. I haven’t removed the baffles from my Scorpion exhausts as she is sweet enough. Amazing bike, at a realistic price. Thank you.
What do you think of how low it is?
Hmm, to me, the distance between the foot pegs and seat, is too cramped, and I don’t consider myself to be tall at 5ft 9”. I seem to be the only person who mentions this. The Classic 350 has a nicer seat to foot peg ratio, as has the Interceptor. The BSA is so easy to put your feet down at junctions etc, newish riders and shorter riders will love it. Hope this helps. Thanks.
Prefer look of bsa, be good to hear with baffle out no one done that yet. Just hope bsa manage to survive all release date fiasco and make a a65 or a10 update version that would be more popular I think, even a learner class bantam!! ✌️😎
Now if they brought out a modern take on those you have mentioned, keeping the same firing order, and stance of the originals, I’d buy it ! Cheers
Yes twins more popular, but if they got bantam right would sell loads getting brand more cash sales for a65 a10 bikes. Classic egg shape a65 more hp pre unit (looks) for a10 say 50 hp a10 65hp a65? Bet they would fly off shelves! 💯
Totally agree. In the early 80’s, my mate had a 650 Lightening whilst I had the 500 Royal Star. The 650 was superb, he let me ride it a few times. A new version would be better air cooled, but than it might end up just like the Interceptor……….oh god, there’s a minefield of images in my head, what have you started 😂. A little 125 called the Bantam, would indeed sell well too. Cheers
Got fed up with you sniffing all the time !
😂 do you ride in winter 😂 I took it out a second time (two vids) less sniffing as it was better weather, though I do sometimes suffer with hay fever 😉 czcams.com/video/rc3OtB9nOo0/video.htmlsi=SenBzrXPbZCQML2l
SNIFFING.........................
BSA = Barely sold any 😂
😂 Amongst others 😂