Guzzi is the winner: made in Italy, shaft drive, rare on the road, great sound (non stock), brembo brakes, traction control, air cooled, easy maintenance, huge tank, clunky and perfectly imperfect.
@@thebingleywheeler I'm being way too subjective as I own one but I rode a few triumphs and their gearboxes are butter smooth compared to the Guzzi. Also just a better polished package. Appreciate your content always.
Lovely bike but I did find it a little cramped for me at 6ft and the pillion seat is uncomfortable. I loved mine though but not as much as my current Interceptor
My vote would be the V7. It has longevity as a result of engineering integrity, which gives it more legitimacy in my eyes, than being a style throwback for fashion reasons. The engine configuration means you can access the cylinder heads easily without taking the tank off and lends itself to air even cooling (unlike in line Vs), adding to the simplicity. It also means there's space for a huge 21 litre fuel tank and there's no chain maintenance due to the shaft drive. The bench(ish) seat means all day comfort for a wide range of heights. It has really been thought through as a useable and versatile tool, which will last a lifetime. That to me is real quality.
I think we motorcyclists are lucky to have so many great bikes to choose from in the modern classic category. Non of them are bad bikes and a broad band of price points too. In a way it reminds me of the 70’s, what a great choice we had back then too. Luved the vid Dave. I haven’t had the pleasure of riding the BSA or the Guzzi but I’d be happy to own any of the motorcycles in todays evaluation. Ride safe bud.
Currently own a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 cc that I have had for 20 years. Once took me 120 miles on one cylinder at highway speed when one spark plug wire crapped out on a Sunday morning with no shops open. At almost 70 years old it has gotten too heavy to maneuver in and out of situations. Purchased a 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone at more than 100 pounds less wet weight. Absolutely love it. Will stay with Moto Guzzi for the rest of my riding life. I have owned BMW, Laverda, Ducati, Moto Morini, Triumph, BSA, Zundapp, Indian, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Cagiva and loved them all for different reasons, but the fact that I can physically handle the weight of a bike that will cruise (illegally) at 85-90 mph for as long as I need, looks good, is reliable and affordable and unique, why shop anywhere else?- -Mike Battle
glad to see your subscriber numbers going up Dave you deserve it hopefully you will get more press bikes to review as a result. being a Yorkshire man myself I love to see if I recognise where you are riding and 50% of the time I do 😀
Interceptor best classic looks and ANALOG GUAGES should be a must for these! Wish Moto Guzzi would have analog clocks you could swap to! I know the special comes with them .
And the winner is…whichever one I’m riding. But many thanks for going out on that preverbal limb. I have a 2013 bmw 1200rt and looking for a smaller daily runner in this category. 👍👍👍
Having ridden most bikes large and small over my 55 years of riding i finally go myself my dream bike and got a 2004 Triumph Bonneville 790cc this model had the bigger cams and with the pipes and the carbs done it is pumping out 65 hp do like the Guzzi though very good bikes mate
That looked like a lovely ride out Dave, hope you kept warm. Will have a trip to Eddys soon for a bit of window shopping. My take on the high price of Triumph products is that the trade in value will still be greater than the new price of the cheaper competition so I can trade my Bonnie in for one of your examples with change in my pocket. More than happy for you to experience the thrill of a ride on my 65HP T100 when the weather permits 😃. Keep safe. Andy.
I'm from the wilds of Northumberland. I rode and then bought my red and chrome Classic 350 from Eddys last year. I must have a ride out and pay a return visit to Eddys soon.
I keep looking, I keep thinking. I watch stuff like this, (excellent BTW) Ive gone on test rides on a couple of the new retros..and then I go out on my 1972 T120V. Damn near perfect
I liked the T140 when I've ridden them but found them a little short on ground clearance. Having said that a great sound with decent exhausts and easy to work on.
I have to disagree with you Dave when you say the Bonneville is not significantly more powerful than the Interceptor or BSA. The T100 puts out around 65hp which is pretty much the same as the Guzzi but it puts out 80nm of torque which is sinificantly more than the Guzzi. For me the Bonneville is in a completely different league to the RE or BSA and to be honest I was massively dissapointed in the BSA it was so poorly finished and just looked cobbled together but each to their own.
Yee, as Dave says, "to each his own", but my criteria for a "faithful modern classic" is one without a radiator. My favorite is the Kawasaki W800. Have about 13,000 miles on mine.
I hate the radiator on the BSA . The USB block could have been a better fit and the price is not at all good. Enfield is a better bike and better value for money . 3 year warranty not 12 months .
Good Evening Dave , another brilliant video tbf , if i had the choice my number 1 would be the Guzzi but they are all good bikes , so take care & ride safe
Bought this bike. Less than 2 weeks ago. Done 660 miles Feels bedded in already. Averaging 64 mpg. 4000 revs = 70 5009 revs = much more Love it. My 14th bike Traded a Tiger 800 XRT No regrets
When l bought a new Honda l didn't care if it had a warranty. Bought 3 brand new ones ,never had a problem. Until the day they died . All of my bikes are used so there's no warranty. I have had my Sportster for 25 years and 400,000 miles on her. l have had my Triumph Tr-6 with a hard tail and magneto for 40 years. Quality lasts the test of time.
The title is just seductive - no choice but watch just so enticing. Surprised at outcome. Rode them all bar BSA. For me the MG would be my choice on heritage, exotica and heritage and shaft!. BSA my last but 4 yr warranty v good but lack of dealers. Super vlog and very interesting clearly zero bias. So will there be another bike change😊. Beautiful showroom nowt like that here
I had to make a decision between these 4, in the end I bought the Royal Enfield INT 650. To me, the Triumph is in a different class, it’s a modern bike dressed to be retro with fake carbs, air cooling fins, etc. I almost bought the 1200X Triumph Scramble but the $10,000 difference in price was too much to justify.
I bought a demo bike with 900 miles on it, it looked like it had just come out the factory in mint condition . The engine was still tight & the gears the smoothest I have ever encountered . I was weary at first about buying a demo bike ,but as it turned out ,all demo rides had been supervised rides. The bike is now 5 years old & still rides & looks like new & no issues a Chinese built Suzuki . Not every bike shop allow’s their demo bikes to be test ridden unsupervised & subjected to being ragged .
@@maskedavenger2578 and that's good, but here is the UK if you take a demo bike out you have it for generally an hour or so maybe 2 and once you leave the dealers it's just you and the bike, they simply don't have the staff or time to follow you around 🤷🏻♂️
@@kevindarkstarI live in the U.K. & the bike was from a local dealer in the UK . They hold open days & do not allow any of their demo bikes out ,without supervision . They have to pre register them & sell them at later dates ,they don’t want come backs due to allowing unsupervised demo rides. My bike could not have been in better condition cosmetically or mechanically if I had bought it brand new un ridden . You must be going to cowboy dealers or watching too many unsupervised CZcamsrs some who abuse brand new bikes by ragging them with only a couple of miles on clock .
@@maskedavenger2578 oh yeah, I've personally up in Yorkshire not come across that model of dealership operation, but as I said that's good for you in this case, but I still think as a wider general case it's not the norm. 👍🏻
Morning Dave, as you know I’m a moto guzzi aficionado owning both a V100s and V7 special and I’d say for true historical lineage it’s got to be the V7 😉 Caio for now pal👍🏻
Hi Dave 🤚being a BSA owner as you know and as you say,its personal and love the fact that in your opinion it’s the winner 🏆 You don’t half wind up your audience 😂😂 I have no problem with your choice it a lovely bike 😊 I have the T100 aswell With 20 hp more it is a different bike far quicker than the BSA but they’re totally different to me 😊 Great video Il sey - the Phil
IMO the triumph t100 is the best all round classic motorcycle. Brilliant chassis engine gearbox. excellent finish. But at nearly 10 k and major valve service knocking on 1k the most expensive. All great bikes in their own right it’s what grabs you and also most importantly what budget you have 👍
Hehe, when you announced the Goldstar as the winner, I could almost hear you metaphorically putting your tin hat on, in expectation of incoming flak! 😁 As you rightly say, Dave, to each their own; it'd be a boring old world if we all had identical taste. You mentioned the Guzzi V7 Corsa; unfortunately, they're not due for release here in Australia until May 2024. As to if/when the BSA Goldstar will be released here is anyone's guess. Anyway, I'm happy on my Guzzi Breva 750. 👍
Excellent video as always mate. I’m starting to think the term ‘modern classic’ is too broad now.. the four you discussed are clearly reminiscent of 60’s bikes (my preference too) but bikes like the z900rs are harking back to the 70’s and even bikes like Yamaha’s XSR900GP which looks like a late 80’s GP bike.. Triumph’s new 400’s really muddy the waters having elements of all three eras.. round headlight and tank 60’s, monoshock and alloy wheels 70’s and upside down forks 80’s… The four you compared are the 60’s and for me that’s the sweet spot with these bikes.. I agree on the BSA but as a T129 owner I have a soft spot for the Triumph and I do like the Guzzi too.
Good morning Dave, great video as always. about the BSA it looks fantastic and runs good for what it is but the radiator just does not belong there. the Royal Enfield intercepter I love the look of the engine casing in chrome&spokes versions but it is too much effort polishing it. I do not like the new colours they are look to modern and does not look the part of a modern classic for me. i did recently got the V7 special in blue Which looks fantastic and run great in my opinion. but never tried the T-100 for the same reason of the radiator but it does look fantastic. thanks for entertaining us. have a good day.
Many potential buyers of these bikes will be older men who have swtiched from high speed riding to a bit of fun under the ton as they say. So as you point out character is everything. That said, stuff like suspension is still important especially for older riders. No comparison here as with breaking, seat comfort or fuel range. Also, there's the issue of dealership backup which is still up in the air for re launched conpany like BSA
@@thebingleywheeler sounds a great idea Dave. I am off to the Dragon Rally this weekend in Wales. If you are there, look out for me and I will buy the coffee 😄
Yes I think numbers have been based on first t100 water cooled. They upped the power when interceptor came along. All great bikes. Surprised comment about lack of character on interceptor. I think the engine oozes character, admittedly it needs exhaust change. Now happily riding t120 2nd hand for £7k. Best of all worlds. Amazing bike
Moto Guzzi for me, please. Shaft drive is just so much nicer to live with than a dirty chain, and the Moto Guzzi is the only middleweight(ish) motorcycle left on the market with shaft drive. The Japanese manufacturers who used to make excellent middleweight shaft drive bikes have inexplicably stopped doing so. All that's left are chains, and chain drive sucks!
I'm lucky to have Guzzi V7 and Bonnie T120 (Both 2023). Guzzi is everyday bike, Bonnie for weekends. Love them both, but let's be serious: T120 is way better bike: better engine, smoother, much better brakes, gearbox, suspension, comfort and top top quality. Guzzi is more agile, has better lights and shaft drive - so for me a bit better for everyday use in the city. But when I get on Bonnie in weekend immediately see the difference and smell of premium bike. Both are beautiful and for me essence of motorcycling. Just enjoying them both!
As The Sportster has already been mentioned in the comments, what about a ride & report on the Kawasaki w800. A motorcycle with its roots in British motorcycles, more specifically BSA?
On the subject of horse power, l wonder how many of those 'Gee, Gee's' are lost through the shaft drive....as opposed to chain drive. For everyday riding it probably matters very little. Just a technical point. I've owned three shaft drive bikes so it had no influence on my judgement... From a purely aesthetic point of view I've always thought the Guzzi is pleasing to the eye...pleasing to the eye is why l bought a Guzzi LeMans in 1977/8... first sight l was smitten!. l also like the Triumph and Enfield range for the same reasons....Aesthetics are the first emotion we experience when cupping our hands around our eye's peering through a Motorcycle showroom window and getting the first sight of our object of desire...As it happens this is exactly what happened to me when first seeing the 850 Guzzi.....l didn't camp outside the showroom but bought it next morning! .... .Greetings from España
3k is a lot of money and for many of us its out of reach. The Enfield is a better buy with a 3 years warranty and looks very nice . You could go on saying well it just another 2k 3k or even more but you have to stop somewhere . All bikes are the same . The sales man will say well for just another thousand you could buy this . Just look at what you could have had LOL We all have a budget and have to work within that .
Hi Dave Have you ever rode or considered a Harley sportster? Must be a classic,,, the ohv, air cooled models from 1957 to 2023. Could be classed as a cruiser I suppose but rides more like a "traditional" motorcycle.
I was looking for a bike to ride to work last year, as my (hot) 2003 Road King is not great in traffic. Enfields rust & the BSAs aren't available in Australia yet, so it was a choice between the T100 & the V7. After taking both of them for a ride, I must say that the Bonnie is a nice bike but the only "retro" thing about it is the name. It is a thoroughly modern bike in old clothes. I walked away kind of disappointed. Then I went for a ride on a V7 Special. There's nothing "retro" about the V7 either, it is authentic, tracing it's lineage back to the late '70s. It is air-cooled, has spokes, twin shocks & easy servicing (thanks to it's shaft drive & screw/lock nut valve adjustment) It feels like the bikes I rode in my youth but behaves a little better to invisible things like ABS & fuel injection. Basically, it ticked all the boxes, so I had no choice but to take it home. Eight months later, the only time I have sat on my Harley is to look at the Guzzi & the only time I have sat in my car was to move it to make it easier to get the Guzzi out. I still plan to buy a T100 but only to drag a sidecar. That little Italian has won my heart. *EDIT - I fully intend to buy a BSA Gold Star as soon as they are for sale in Australia for one simple reason. They are powered by the same engine as my all-time favourite bike, BMW's F650 Dakar. That makes them worth the asking price as far as I'm concerned, regardless of what the rest of the bike is like. Thanks for an interesting video, by the way!
It’s amazing just how honest and authentic the V7 is…..it’s not trying to be something it’s not….what you see is what you get…”take me or leave me” it says. And yes that Rotax single in the Gold Star is well proven 👍🏻
I love them all and there's the problem. It's very difficult to judge a single against a twin there two different animals I've tried the Interceptor and the GoldStar and chose the latter because i personally loved its looks, its character and the fact its a big thumper. As for the other two I'd love either of them but there bigger engines and a bigger price especially the Triumph. You pays your money etc.
Well it all depends I think, on a first note… your comparison between the bikes on bhp goes all wrong… The T 100 has about 64bhp. In reality you should compare the V7 special with the others too because that’s the most classic looking of the V7 line… The BSA and RE aren’t in the same league as the Triumph and V7 , not the same power nor the fit and finish. I can’t speak for the price over in the UK but in Scandinavia the V7 special is more expensive than a T100 …. anyway like your review but like to hear right facts too🤣 Have a nice day and keep the videos coming 👍
My Sportster is the real deal,so is the MG 750. Shaft drive much better than a chain drive. Cheaper and cleaner. I believe it has hydraulic valve adjustment. You can also get a gear drive to eliminate the chain drive. If l had one I would go back to carburetors. EFI makes modern motorcycles run hot as Hades to pass pollution controls standards.MG750 is a much better bike.
BSA have added the 4 year warranty in an attempt to boost sales i think, this bike is going to be a one hit wonder, just my opinion. That new Himmy looks awful, old one was a much better rugged style, new one looks just like any other modern bike. Love that Guzzi.
If I was buying a Himalayan I would choose an original model pre registered for a bargain price . The new model has lost the plot with all the tech & fly by wire throttle , this is just more non essential tech to cause issues ,in the middle of nowhere . Not good for a bike that gets used for adventure in third world countries . I agree with you about the BSA Goldstar ,that’s the one I would pick ,as I have always had a soft spot for singles & it’s priced more realistically than the fake modern Bonnies, which lack the elegance of the proper original Triumph Bonnies . The Guzzi is the type of bike you choose with your heart & not your head ,like most things Italian . The RE Interceptor is the one I would choose if I wanted a classic looking parallel twin. The Triumph wouldn’t even get a look in. 👍
Agree with you about the Goldstar, and it has a very strong point that's seldom mentioned : the Rotax .engine. I can see out my bedroom window here my 2001 BMW F650 Gs with the same 650cc single cylinder Rotax engine. For those who don't know Rotax has made aviation engines for decades. Enough said.
i thought 100 percent guzzi,, just shows how you cannot feel what other people feel ,, so i was wrong o dear ,,,, i do not own a guzzi but have ridden them a long time ago , which leads me on to say that moto guzzi's are still made in the original factory and follow closely the older models - which makes them the most authentic modern classic bikes but this is not true because they were always this way ;;;;;
Did I hear you right? You passed judgement on the T100 and haven't ridden one? Better gearbox and suspension, more power and better quality feel than the rest, maybe bar the Guzzi if you can live with the clunky 'box and rocking at the lights, oh and that awful clock.
1972 Kawasaki bring out the Z1 ,the British bike industry curls up and dies . 2017 Kawasaki bring out the Z900RS anything else is less . All them RE fans boys will be howling at you dave ,well here's something to make them howl again MotoGB are punting them little 350's out from £3000 and 650's from £5000.
the guzzi to looksmore top heavy with those cylinder pods sticking out high compared to bonneville, re overweight and underpowered ,give to the bonniville t100 64 hp not 53hp
I just think the rear end of the Gold star is awful. The. Light should be on the mudguard with the No. plate below. I think RE miss a trick not doing a GT with straight bars. I don’t like the interceptor tank.
A thought provoking video or just an excuse for me to "get out of my pram"? The term "Modern Classic", surely an Oxymoron, refers to a style of motorcycle built between 1955 and 1965, an 'old look' with 'modern' parts. The T100, and the BSA are deliberately made to a style that will grab a market share of old men looking for their youth. The BSA is the worst offender with the T100 a close second. The Enfield is well made for it's price, but spoiled by having skimpy mudguards, spoke wheels with ( dangerous) tubed tyres and poorly positioned footrests. The Moto Guzzi V7 stone is almost unchanged since it was first launched back in the sixties. It is not a 'modern classic'. Moto Guzzi have just kept on making and gradually improving them. Air cooled, HO, two valve twin with shaft drive. Disc brakes, alloy wheels and ABS for safety, Fuel injection and can bus electronics with all round LED lights for economy. I have a V7 because I can get on its low flat seat with my old legs and worn out hips. It's well made and a joy to ride and quirky enough to not be 'run of the mill'. It shakes and vibrates and takes ten miles to warm up the gearbox enough to make neutral accessible. They say it will feel much better when it has 10000 on the clock. So far with 2700 miles it gets better every time I ride it. Perfect? No. A fenda extenda on the front helped but the rear end gets proper filthy. MUDGUARDS , I say, we needs better mudguards.
Guzzi is the winner: made in Italy, shaft drive, rare on the road, great sound (non stock), brembo brakes, traction control, air cooled, easy maintenance, huge tank, clunky and perfectly imperfect.
Good points indeed 😊👍🏻
@@thebingleywheeler I'm being way too subjective as I own one but I rode a few triumphs and their gearboxes are butter smooth compared to the Guzzi. Also just a better polished package. Appreciate your content always.
Lovely bike but I did find it a little cramped for me at 6ft and the pillion seat is uncomfortable. I loved mine though but not as much as my current Interceptor
@@Tubespoet still not rode an interceptor and everyone is saying I should. The new black and gold one looks mean.
My vote would be the V7. It has longevity as a result of engineering integrity, which gives it more legitimacy in my eyes, than being a style throwback for fashion reasons. The engine configuration means you can access the cylinder heads easily without taking the tank off and lends itself to air even cooling (unlike in line Vs), adding to the simplicity. It also means there's space for a huge 21 litre fuel tank and there's no chain maintenance due to the shaft drive. The bench(ish) seat means all day comfort for a wide range of heights. It has really been thought through as a useable and versatile tool, which will last a lifetime. That to me is real quality.
guzzi a bit top heavy withbthose pod sticking out high up compared to bonneville
It’s not at all top heavy
Im enjoy classic 350 rn but when i upgrade one day will be v7 for sure
I think we motorcyclists are lucky to have so many great bikes to choose from in the modern classic category.
Non of them are
bad bikes and a broad band of price points too. In a way it reminds me of the 70’s, what a great choice we had back then too.
Luved the vid Dave. I haven’t had the pleasure of riding the BSA or the Guzzi but I’d be happy to own any of the motorcycles in todays evaluation.
Ride safe bud.
Cheers buddy yes we are blessed with such choices 😊👍🏻
Currently own a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 cc that I have had for 20 years. Once took me 120 miles on one cylinder at highway speed when one spark plug wire crapped out on a Sunday morning with no shops open. At almost 70 years old it has gotten too heavy to maneuver in and out of situations. Purchased a 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone at more than 100 pounds less wet weight. Absolutely love it. Will stay with Moto Guzzi for the rest of my riding life. I have owned BMW, Laverda, Ducati, Moto Morini, Triumph, BSA, Zundapp, Indian, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Cagiva and loved them all for different reasons, but the fact that I can physically handle the weight of a bike that will cruise (illegally) at 85-90 mph for as long as I need, looks good, is reliable and affordable and unique, why shop anywhere else?- -Mike Battle
Nah, I'll stick with the 78 Bonneville and 80 GS550. No depreciation, no road tax, no MOT, simple maintenance, and still put a big smile on my face.
Exactly why i own a Guzzi V7 😂
glad to see your subscriber numbers going up Dave you deserve it hopefully you will get more press bikes to review as a result. being a Yorkshire man myself I love to see if I recognise where you are riding and 50% of the time I do 😀
Cheers Graeme I’m hoping the reviews will start again soon 👍🏻
Interceptor best classic looks and ANALOG GUAGES should be a must for these!
Wish Moto Guzzi would have analog clocks you could swap to! I know the special comes with them .
Watching these videos trains my brain in left-side-of-the-road riding.
Nice side-effect…
And the winner is…whichever one I’m riding. But many thanks for going out on that preverbal limb. I have a 2013 bmw 1200rt and looking for a smaller daily runner in this category. 👍👍👍
Listening to this in background at work! Looking forward to hearing the outcome...Thanks TBW
I think you will approve of the outcome 😂😂😂
@@thebingleywheeler 😂😂 I do :)
Having ridden most bikes large and small over my 55 years of riding i finally go myself my dream bike and got a 2004 Triumph Bonneville 790cc this model had the bigger cams and with the pipes and the carbs done it is pumping out 65 hp do like the Guzzi though very good bikes mate
Ey up, Bingley Wheeler. Many thanks for a great video. I'm going to have to get one of them there Moto Guzzi V7s!
Hi Derek many thanks for the donation very much appreciated 😎👍🏻
Love the guzzi. Also consider the kawasaki w800.
That looked like a lovely ride out Dave, hope you kept warm. Will have a trip to Eddys soon for a bit of window shopping.
My take on the high price of Triumph products is that the trade in value will still be greater than the new price of the cheaper competition so I can trade my Bonnie in for one of your examples with change in my pocket.
More than happy for you to experience the thrill of a ride on my 65HP T100 when the weather permits 😃.
Keep safe.
Andy.
Cheers Andy yes the specs I checked on the web were for the earlier model…..glad I added the “I think” bit 😂
I'm from the wilds of Northumberland. I rode and then bought my red and chrome Classic 350 from Eddys last year. I must have a ride out and pay a return visit to Eddys soon.
I keep looking, I keep thinking. I watch stuff like this, (excellent BTW) Ive gone on test rides on a couple of the new retros..and then I go out on my 1972 T120V. Damn near perfect
Cheers John much appreciated
Yes the smell of dripping oil can be addictive😊
I liked the T140 when I've ridden them but found them a little short on ground clearance. Having said that a great sound with decent exhausts and easy to work on.
I have to disagree with you Dave when you say the Bonneville is not significantly more powerful than the Interceptor or BSA. The T100 puts out around 65hp which is pretty much the same as the Guzzi but it puts out 80nm of torque which is sinificantly more than the Guzzi. For me the Bonneville is in a completely different league to the RE or BSA and to be honest I was massively dissapointed in the BSA it was so poorly finished and just looked cobbled together but each to their own.
TBW, be ready for a bit of flaming 🔥😉
BSA faithful modern classic…damn that radiator & USB block of plastic for them yuppies😎
Yee, as Dave says, "to each his own", but my criteria for a "faithful modern classic" is one without a radiator. My favorite is the Kawasaki W800. Have about 13,000 miles on mine.
I love the W800 😊👍🏻
I hate the radiator on the BSA . The USB block could have been a better fit and the price is not at all good. Enfield is a better bike and better value for money . 3 year warranty not 12 months .
Good Evening Dave , another brilliant video tbf , if i had the choice my number 1 would be the Guzzi but they are all good bikes , so take care & ride safe
Cheers Steve all the best 😊👍🏻
Bought this bike. Less than 2 weeks ago. Done 660 miles
Feels bedded in already.
Averaging 64 mpg.
4000 revs = 70
5009 revs = much more
Love it.
My 14th bike
Traded a Tiger 800 XRT
No regrets
I’d still have to centre the MV clock and will do so if I get one. I just wish they were dual analogue.
When l bought a new Honda l didn't care if it had a warranty. Bought 3 brand new ones ,never had a problem. Until the day they died . All of my bikes are used so there's no warranty. I have had my Sportster for 25 years and 400,000 miles on her. l have had my Triumph Tr-6 with a hard tail and magneto for 40 years. Quality lasts the test of time.
The title is just seductive - no choice but watch just so enticing. Surprised at outcome. Rode them all bar BSA. For me the MG would be my choice on heritage, exotica and heritage and shaft!. BSA my last but 4 yr warranty v good but lack of dealers. Super vlog and very interesting clearly zero bias. So will there be another bike change😊.
Beautiful showroom nowt like that here
Cheers much appreciated…..watch this space 😂
I had to make a decision between these 4, in the end I bought the Royal Enfield INT 650. To me, the Triumph is in a different class, it’s a modern bike dressed to be retro with fake carbs, air cooling fins, etc. I almost bought the 1200X Triumph Scramble but the $10,000 difference in price was too much to justify.
You’re being very brave on this subject Dave. Everyone to their own but green or black with gold wheels looks good on anything.
And to think I gave back my stab vest 😂
Hi TBW, really enjoy your vids, would you let me know the brand of jacket you are wearing on this vid please? Cheers in advance.
Sure it’s a Merlin Edale…..5 years old but still available
Bsa brought in 4 yr warranty about 6wk ago. Existing bikes included. 👍
Cracking deal 👍🏻
@@thebingleywheeler It was. Mines red and was 5495 otr brand new. Deals to be had. Lot of bike for that.
That’s a great price!
Oh dear lord, a demo bike for sale 😮 can you imagine how that's been run in 🤨
Yup...rode hard and put away wet. Or, ride it like you stole it. Cheers
I bought a demo bike with 900 miles on it, it looked like it had just come out the factory in mint condition . The engine was still tight & the gears the smoothest I have ever encountered . I was weary at first about buying a demo bike ,but as it turned out ,all demo rides had been supervised rides. The bike is now 5 years old & still rides & looks like new & no issues a Chinese built Suzuki . Not every bike shop allow’s their demo bikes to be test ridden unsupervised & subjected to being ragged .
@@maskedavenger2578 and that's good, but here is the UK if you take a demo bike out you have it for generally an hour or so maybe 2 and once you leave the dealers it's just you and the bike, they simply don't have the staff or time to follow you around 🤷🏻♂️
@@kevindarkstarI live in the U.K. & the bike was from a local dealer in the UK . They hold open days & do not allow any of their demo bikes out ,without supervision . They have to pre register them & sell them at later dates ,they don’t want come backs due to allowing unsupervised demo rides. My bike could not have been in better condition cosmetically or mechanically if I had bought it brand new un ridden . You must be going to cowboy dealers or watching too many unsupervised CZcamsrs some who abuse brand new bikes by ragging them with only a couple of miles on clock .
@@maskedavenger2578 oh yeah, I've personally up in Yorkshire not come across that model of dealership operation, but as I said that's good for you in this case, but I still think as a wider general case it's not the norm. 👍🏻
One point of note for me is that the bikes are not all in the same A2 licence group. Which is an even bigger thumbs up for the Gold Star.
Morning Dave, as you know I’m a moto guzzi aficionado owning both a V100s and V7 special and I’d say for true historical lineage it’s got to be the V7 😉 Caio for now pal👍🏻
I’m with you there buddy 😊👍🏻
I am just happy to have the choice.
As a non-motor-cyclist I favour the Triumph Bonneville. To me it is the most beautiful, the most appealing generally.
Hi Dave 🤚being a BSA owner as you know and as you say,its personal and love the fact that in your opinion it’s the winner 🏆
You don’t half wind up your audience 😂😂
I have no problem with your choice it a lovely bike 😊
I have the T100 aswell
With 20 hp more it is a different bike far quicker than the BSA but they’re totally different to me 😊
Great video
Il sey - the
Phil
Cheers Phil yes I’m just intrigued by them….and yes I quoted the old bhp for the t100 😂
IMO the triumph t100 is the best all round classic motorcycle. Brilliant chassis engine gearbox. excellent finish. But at nearly 10 k and major valve service knocking on 1k the most expensive. All great bikes in their own right it’s what grabs you and also most importantly what budget you have 👍
Haven't seen a bike shop like for so many years...
Hehe, when you announced the Goldstar as the winner, I could almost hear you metaphorically putting your tin hat on, in expectation of incoming flak! 😁 As you rightly say, Dave, to each their own; it'd be a boring old world if we all had identical taste.
You mentioned the Guzzi V7 Corsa; unfortunately, they're not due for release here in Australia until May 2024. As to if/when the BSA Goldstar will be released here is anyone's guess. Anyway, I'm happy on my Guzzi Breva 750. 👍
Excellent video as always mate.
I’m starting to think the term ‘modern classic’ is too broad now.. the four you discussed are clearly reminiscent of 60’s bikes (my preference too) but bikes like the z900rs are harking back to the 70’s and even bikes like Yamaha’s XSR900GP which looks like a late 80’s GP bike.. Triumph’s new 400’s really muddy the waters having elements of all three eras.. round headlight and tank 60’s, monoshock and alloy wheels 70’s and upside down forks 80’s…
The four you compared are the 60’s and for me that’s the sweet spot with these bikes.. I agree on the BSA but as a T129 owner I have a soft spot for the Triumph and I do like the Guzzi too.
Cheers Duncan yes the 60s tribute acts do it for me…the Japanese retros nod to the 70s and 80s
Good morning Dave, great video as always. about the BSA it looks fantastic and runs good for what it is but the radiator just does not belong there. the Royal Enfield intercepter I love the look of the engine casing in chrome&spokes versions but it is too much effort polishing it. I do not like the new colours they are look to modern and does not look the part of a modern classic for me. i did recently got the V7 special in blue Which looks fantastic and run great in my opinion. but never tried the T-100 for the same reason of the radiator but it does look fantastic.
thanks for entertaining us. have a good day.
Many potential buyers of these bikes will be older men who have swtiched from high speed riding to a bit of fun under the ton as they say. So as you point out character is everything. That said, stuff like suspension is still important especially for older riders. No comparison here as with breaking, seat comfort or fuel range. Also, there's the issue of dealership backup which is still up in the air for re launched conpany like BSA
Well, I have a Meteor 350, and a Classic 350, and the two I’d like to add to my stable would be the Super Meteor and the Gold Star.
Good choices there 👍🏻
Morning Dave. Another great vid. If you want to borrow my Gold Star for a couple of weeks, we can arrange something I am sure.
Thank you that’s most kind indeed….maybe a swap for the super meteor when the weather allows 😊👍🏻
@@thebingleywheeler sounds a great idea Dave. I am off to the Dragon Rally this weekend in Wales. If you are there, look out for me and I will buy the coffee 😄
The T100 has 65 horses! Nice one to watch!
Yes I think numbers have been based on first t100 water cooled. They upped the power when interceptor came along. All great bikes. Surprised comment about lack of character on interceptor. I think the engine oozes character, admittedly it needs exhaust change. Now happily riding t120 2nd hand for £7k. Best of all worlds. Amazing bike
the bonneville 2010,2018 on 64 hp
@@geoffbroderick403 no the first water cooled t100 was 54 bhp until it was upgraded for euro 5 in 2021 to 64bhp engine from 2019 street twin.
Moto Guzzi for me, please. Shaft drive is just so much nicer to live with than a dirty chain, and the Moto Guzzi is the only middleweight(ish) motorcycle left on the market with shaft drive. The Japanese manufacturers who used to make excellent middleweight shaft drive bikes have inexplicably stopped doing so. All that's left are chains, and chain drive sucks!
Yes if memory serves the Honda CX500 and Silverwing were also Transverse V twin and shaft drive 👍🏻
Were you referring to an earlier Bonneville at 53 bhp?
Probably 😂
Ooh... shame you couldn't jump right on the Himmy. Would love to hear what you think of it.
I tried 😂
I take it you were at Squires earlier yesterday, I was there mid afternoon
Just missed you then Kevin
@@thebingleywheeler maybe another time 😉
I have brand loyalties to two products...Ketchup and Motorcycles.
Guzzi for me thanks.
Nice poker TBW!!! .... but my vote will be for the.... kawasaki w800!!!
I'm lucky to have Guzzi V7 and Bonnie T120 (Both 2023). Guzzi is everyday bike, Bonnie for weekends. Love them both, but let's be serious: T120 is way better bike: better engine, smoother, much better brakes, gearbox, suspension, comfort and top top quality. Guzzi is more agile, has better lights and shaft drive - so for me a bit better for everyday use in the city. But when I get on Bonnie in weekend immediately see the difference and smell of premium bike. Both are beautiful and for me essence of motorcycling. Just enjoying them both!
As The Sportster has already been mentioned in the comments, what about a ride & report on the Kawasaki w800. A motorcycle with its roots in British motorcycles, more specifically BSA?
Just seen the comment re the w800
Hi W800 was reviewed on the channel about 18 months ago 👍🏻
@@thebingleywheeler I will have watched it as well! Lol. I put my poor memory recall down to to my age.🤔
On the subject of horse power, l wonder how many of those 'Gee, Gee's' are lost through the shaft drive....as opposed to chain drive. For everyday riding it probably matters very little. Just a technical point. I've owned three shaft drive bikes so it had no influence on my judgement...
From a purely aesthetic point of view I've always thought the Guzzi is pleasing to the eye...pleasing to the eye is why l bought a Guzzi LeMans in 1977/8... first sight l was smitten!.
l also like the Triumph and Enfield range for the same reasons....Aesthetics are the first emotion we experience when cupping our hands around our eye's peering through a Motorcycle showroom window and getting the first sight of our object of desire...As it happens this is exactly what happened to me when first seeing the 850 Guzzi.....l didn't camp outside the showroom but bought it next morning! .... .Greetings from España
Hi again Brian yes agreed the Guzzis have massive kerb appeal across the range great design 😊
3k is a lot of money and for many of us its out of reach. The Enfield is a better buy with a 3 years warranty and looks very nice . You could go on saying well it just another 2k 3k or even more but you have to stop somewhere . All bikes are the same . The sales man will say well for just another thousand you could buy this . Just look at what you could have had LOL We all have a budget and have to work within that .
The Triumph is pretty much the same as the V7 at 64bhp 👍
Hi Dave
Have you ever rode or considered a Harley sportster? Must be a classic,,, the ohv, air cooled models from 1957 to 2023. Could be classed as a cruiser I suppose but rides more like a "traditional" motorcycle.
I’d love to try a Harley but they’re not talking to me 😌
Like the MG The EVO Sportster is the real deal.
I was looking for a bike to ride to work last year, as my (hot) 2003 Road King is not great in traffic. Enfields rust & the BSAs aren't available in Australia yet, so it was a choice between the T100 & the V7.
After taking both of them for a ride, I must say that the Bonnie is a nice bike but the only "retro" thing about it is the name. It is a thoroughly modern bike in old clothes. I walked away kind of disappointed.
Then I went for a ride on a V7 Special. There's nothing "retro" about the V7 either, it is authentic, tracing it's lineage back to the late '70s. It is air-cooled, has spokes, twin shocks & easy servicing (thanks to it's shaft drive & screw/lock nut valve adjustment) It feels like the bikes I rode in my youth but behaves a little better to invisible things like ABS & fuel injection. Basically, it ticked all the boxes, so I had no choice but to take it home.
Eight months later, the only time I have sat on my Harley is to look at the Guzzi & the only time I have sat in my car was to move it to make it easier to get the Guzzi out.
I still plan to buy a T100 but only to drag a sidecar. That little Italian has won my heart.
*EDIT - I fully intend to buy a BSA Gold Star as soon as they are for sale in Australia for one simple reason. They are powered by the same engine as my all-time favourite bike, BMW's F650 Dakar. That makes them worth the asking price as far as I'm concerned, regardless of what the rest of the bike is like.
Thanks for an interesting video, by the way!
It’s amazing just how honest and authentic the V7 is…..it’s not trying to be something it’s not….what you see is what you get…”take me or leave me” it says. And yes that Rotax single in the Gold Star is well proven 👍🏻
BSA wins 🏆 👏 for me also.
Love the Motto Guzzi and Triumph but the BSA is so beautiful and that single makes music.
Amen Mike 👍🏻
Eeh, lad... Tha's put T120 on the caption and tha's talkin about T100... Oldtimer's strikes again! 😁
Cheers Chris typo now corrected 😊👍🏻
I love them all and there's the problem. It's very difficult to judge a single against a twin there two different animals I've tried the Interceptor and the GoldStar and chose the latter because i personally loved its looks, its character and the fact its a big thumper. As for the other two I'd love either of them but there bigger engines and a bigger price especially the Triumph. You pays your money etc.
By the way the extra 2 year warranty on the BSA isn't just available at Eddie's but at every BSA dealer.
Yes Ian it’s obviously aimed at clearing the old stock…..great deal though 😊👍🏻
The 4 year warranty is not only for new bikes but is also for bikes already purchased, like mine, last year.
Well it all depends I think, on a first note… your comparison between the bikes on bhp goes all wrong… The T 100 has about 64bhp.
In reality you should compare the V7 special with the others too because that’s the most classic looking of the V7 line…
The BSA and RE aren’t in the same league as the Triumph and V7 , not the same power nor the fit and finish.
I can’t speak for the price over in the UK but in Scandinavia the V7 special is more expensive than a T100 …. anyway like your review but like to hear right facts too🤣
Have a nice day and keep the videos coming 👍
My Sportster is the real deal,so is the MG 750. Shaft drive much better than a chain drive. Cheaper and cleaner. I believe it has hydraulic valve adjustment. You can also get a gear drive to eliminate the chain drive. If l had one I would go back to carburetors. EFI makes modern motorcycles run hot as Hades to pass pollution controls standards.MG750 is a much better bike.
Given that outcome...... How come you don't have one dave 😜
Yet 😂
BSA have added the 4 year warranty in an attempt to boost sales i think, this bike is going to be a one hit wonder, just my opinion. That new Himmy looks awful, old one was a much better rugged style, new one looks just like any other modern bike. Love that Guzzi.
Yes Mike clearly aimed at clearing out the old stock 😊👍🏻
If I was buying a Himalayan I would choose an original model pre registered for a bargain price . The new model has lost the plot with all the tech & fly by wire throttle , this is just more non essential tech to cause issues ,in the middle of nowhere . Not good for a bike that gets used for adventure in third world countries . I agree with you about the BSA Goldstar ,that’s the one I would pick ,as I have always had a soft spot for singles & it’s priced more realistically than the fake modern Bonnies, which lack the elegance of the proper original Triumph Bonnies . The Guzzi is the type of bike you choose with your heart & not your head ,like most things Italian . The RE Interceptor is the one I would choose if I wanted a classic looking parallel twin. The Triumph wouldn’t even get a look in. 👍
Agree with you about the Goldstar, and it has a very strong point that's seldom mentioned : the Rotax .engine. I can see out my bedroom window here my 2001 BMW F650 Gs with the same 650cc single cylinder Rotax engine. For those who don't know Rotax has made aviation engines for decades. Enough said.
Oh! I see you've already addressed these points on another recent video about the Rotax engine. That's my dim awareness! Cheers from john in St Louis!
Cheers John great to hear from St Louis 😊👍🏻
i thought 100 percent guzzi,, just shows how you cannot feel what other people feel ,, so i was wrong o dear ,,,, i do not own a guzzi but have ridden them a long time ago , which leads me on to say that moto guzzi's are still made in the original factory and follow closely the older models - which makes them the most authentic modern classic bikes but this is not true because they were always this way ;;;;;
Did I hear you right? You passed judgement on the T100 and haven't ridden one? Better gearbox and suspension, more power and better quality feel than the rest, maybe bar the Guzzi if you can live with the clunky 'box and rocking at the lights, oh and that awful clock.
1972 Kawasaki bring out the Z1 ,the British bike industry curls up and dies . 2017 Kawasaki bring out the Z900RS anything else is less . All them RE fans boys will be howling at you dave ,well here's something to make them howl again MotoGB are punting them little 350's out from £3000 and 650's from £5000.
It died when the Honda 750 came out in 69.
@@mikehurley5052it was already in its death throws by then.
Makes the RE even better value for money. Can’t beat it.
You’ve only just bought the Guzzi, why didn’t you buy the BSA if you think it is the better of the two 🤪
Better modern Classic…..not better bike 😂
the guzzi to looksmore top heavy with those cylinder pods sticking out high compared to bonneville, re overweight and underpowered ,give to the bonniville t100 64 hp not 53hp
I just think the rear end of the Gold star is awful. The. Light should be on the mudguard with the No. plate below. I think RE miss a trick not doing a GT with straight bars. I don’t like the interceptor tank.
And do you not think the stickers are nasty on the BSA, rather than engrave them.
It’s a no brainier the Bonneville T100 the other three don’t even come close
On what basis?
i am first
A thought provoking video or just an excuse for me to "get out of my pram"? The term "Modern Classic", surely an Oxymoron, refers to a style of motorcycle built between 1955 and 1965, an 'old look' with 'modern' parts. The T100, and the BSA are deliberately made to a style that will grab a market share of old men looking for their youth. The BSA is the worst offender with the T100 a close second. The Enfield is well made for it's price, but spoiled by having skimpy mudguards, spoke wheels with ( dangerous) tubed tyres and poorly positioned footrests. The Moto Guzzi V7 stone is almost unchanged since it was first launched back in the sixties. It is not a 'modern classic'. Moto Guzzi have just kept on making and gradually improving them. Air cooled, HO, two valve twin with shaft drive. Disc brakes, alloy wheels and ABS for safety, Fuel injection and can bus electronics with all round LED lights for economy. I have a V7 because I can get on its low flat seat with my old legs and worn out hips. It's well made and a joy to ride and quirky enough to not be 'run of the mill'. It shakes and vibrates and takes ten miles to warm up the gearbox enough to make neutral accessible. They say it will feel much better when it has 10000 on the clock. So far with 2700 miles it gets better every time I ride it. Perfect? No. A fenda extenda on the front helped but the rear end gets proper filthy. MUDGUARDS , I say, we needs better mudguards.