Did Giles SABOTAGE Kerr - UK Olympic Trials Reaction
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- A reaction and analysis of the UK/British Championships 2024 which also acted as Olympic qualifiers for the Paris 2024 Olympics. I break down the men's 800m, 1500m and 5000m final especially looking at the collision between Elliot Giles and Josh Kerr. Was it intentional or a simple accident?
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Giles left room for Kerr when he tried to push the others to the outside then he tried to shut down the room for Kerr after Kerr had already gotten there. It was too late to shut it down by then. He caused the collision 100%
This correct. Clear running room includes the front extension of the stride. The commenter is wrong.
Yes i saw that too, kerr had enough room to win, but after giles saw him he started to close that space… intentionally or not for me its giles fauñt
You already know Jacob is gonna use this as an opportunity to talk trash 😂
Looked to be plenty of room for Kerr to go through, Giles then comes in but much too late . Don’t think it was intentional but certainly a lack of race awareness 🤷♀️
Giles cuts Kerr off at 180m, hence he falls off the pace a bit; in the main straight Giles drifts out to hinder the runners passing him on his right but when Kerr slips up on his left, Giles cuts back to block Kerr and causes the collision- imo Giles should be DQ and not go to the Olympics.
The rule in athletics is you may not change lanes or weave in front of other runners to impress them in the home straight, a/b auto DQ.
@@chrismia2402 Exactly but worse, Giles saw he was in trouble and fell on purpose to make it seem Kerr was at fault. All thinking he could be reinstated.
Watch the the video frame by frame IT''S CLEAR that Kerr was cut off! Giles had the middle of the lane at the straight, then drifted to the outside of the lane, then as Kerr began to pass him, decided to drift across to the inner part of the lane ALL THE WAY TO THE RAIL, leaving Kerr with literally nothing!
and then he just laid down lol. As other said, i think he was fading hard
womp womp
No way Elliot did that on purpose. Watch his CZcams vlogs. He’s such an advocate for the sport and middle distance running in the U.K. He speaks so highly and positively about his follow competitors, especially the other Brits. He 100% deserves the third spot. I love Jake and would always want him on the team, but I’m just not sure he’s fit and Elliot has been running on the circuit loads and was heading for a top 3 finish. Rant over!
Most people, myself included, think Giles was fading.
IT WAS ON PURPOSE 🥸
Well on purpose or not its clearly he was runing close to the line and suddenly he started to run in front of kerr.. what happened at the end? Is kerr out of the olympics?
If you have money, you'll pay the most unlikely person to do your dirty work because nobody will suspect a thing, just saying
Not that it's intended though
Before Kerr decided to pass Giles on the inside, there was plenty of room. Giles was running closer to the second lane. He caused the collition 100% by shutting the lane too late
It looks like Giles cut him off. Every runner in the front including Giles stabilized their route after rounding the bend. Giles only started moving over when Kerr closed in. I have no horse in this race but it feels deliberate after watching that section 20ish times.
Like pretty much everyone commenting, the contact looked to me to be unintentional. But I have had concerns that with athletes willing to cheat using drugs, etc., are there any willing to intentionally take out a top runner, either to improve their own chances in a big race, or perhaps accepting payment from another runner who wants to increase their odds by eliminating the favorite? Nothing surprises me these days.
“If you no longer go for a gap which exists, you are no longer racing driver”
I agree that the Giles/Kerr collision was most likely accidental. The interesting thing was that with Josh Kerr, the 'racer mentality' took over. The gap on the inside wasn't really there and he had no need to barge through as he wasn't looking for an 800m Olympic place anyway. This is not meant as a criticism of Josh but that the selection procedure seems arbitrary. Hudson-Smith, Hodgkinson and Kerr all ran events they had no intention of competing in. I thought the brutal system of the USA 'first three' at the trials in each event was suspect but it seems much more transparent than ours.
Its a tough one. Kerr had every right to try and win a race he is in but I feel like you should not be allowed in an Olympic qualifier unless you intend to compete. Otherwise you are just obstructing a racers chance for your own training.
Hypothetically, If Giles had gotten Face Planted (because he was absolutely blocking Kerr) in the USATF Olympic Trials, and failed to get up quickly and finish Top 3 in the event, his Olympic dreams would be Over.
USA system is BS. Because of that system MU wont be at Paris olympics. Its the worst system ever
It was pretty clear Giles had nothing left and made a desperate attempt to block despite there being two whole lanes of room for the two to run. Had Giles stuck to the inside of lane 1 from the start, Kerr would have went around into lane two. Because Gikes left the inside of lane 1 open, he made the pass there. Giles had no right to close down the space after already being passed. He should be suspended and Kerr should go through as he clearly would have placed top two.
@@andrewpulsipher2062 I am assuming you have run 800m races competitively or I will be wasting my breath but here goes. Point one: They all have huge lactic acid buildup and go for the shortest route. There isn't a traffic light system where they wait for a passing place. Point two: Suspended from what and by whom? It seems that it only you who has decreed it was deliberate. Point three: Kerr can't be promoted. He was using it as a training run and has been automatically awarded a 1500m place. This was a British Championship doubling up as an Olympic trial. You don't seem to understand the sport.
Thanks for posting. 💪
Kerr landed So hard on that inside rail. Can you imagine how hardcore the hatred would be if Giles had caused the fracture of multiple ribs in Kerr’s rib cage.
Yeah Kerr had an especially rough fall. They did shake hands at the end so hopefully there is no beef - he did not seem to annoyed in the post race interview.
I mean, if Giles had a chance at going to the Olympics, which happens every 4 years, I don't think he would take his chance of not making it to stop Josh Kerr. And if he DID, thats an abomination to the Commitment he had towards going into the Olympic Trials Final.
It was Kerr's fault, if he tried to go where there isn't space in a race that is meaningless to him, he simply made a stupid decision with the resulting consequences.
@@aldopedroso6212did you really see the race, look how close to the line giles is running when he sees kerr he starts to shut down that space where kerr had enough room to win.. it takes you nothing to notice… intentionaly or not he did it
watched full video great commentary good vid man
Biassed is an understatement, Gilles cut Kerr off on purpose. Kerr would have placed top 2 if not for Giles.
From the footage it definitely looks like Giles is looking to his right to spot the other runners. I don't think he knew Kerr was there. He seems a little panicked when the initial clip happens. It'll be pretty heartbreaking if he doesn't get a spot. He'll probably be too old to try again next time.
Nice commentary. I agree that they need to make race videos available. Don’t seem to be the brightest lights calling the shots on that one.
Half a lane width each and both running in straight lines, there was easily room for Kerr. When the lane got closed due to Giles drifting back in, then yeah, no passage. That used to be called a foul.
I think Giles took the step inside cause he was tightening up, not sure if anyone else has felt that sensation but it does make it a bit harder to hold your line. Never the less I still think the gap was marginal at best and Josh shouldn't of tried to take on the inside, it's his fault for being in that bad of a position for that to be the only way out and ultimately his fault for the crash
Definitely know this experience of your whole body seizing up in the last 100m. Giles form looked erratic so this could be a possibility.
Am I crazy or did Kerr have to turn his shoulders to try fitting through... In my opinion, it's just a terrible tactical decision. He had enough to make a proper pass.
I agree. Kerr was in a poor position and went for a gap that was never truly there.
What a load of crap.
Shocking anyone defends this guy lol😂. That was clearly intentional
I absolutely agree - show the whole race. If you don't see the build up, you can't understand the latter stages.
Talk about clickbait title and thumbnail 🤦♂️
Changed my mind. It didn't look like he saw him.
Looked accidental.
I’m in Australia, went to watch UK stream and could only find last 30 seconds, the same with US trials couldn’t find decent coverage. If athletics wants to grow the need to make it free and accessible.
I definitely agree, I only manage to find out trial results through CZcams channels such as this one, but it would be great to be able to watch the races themselves.
Moral of the story: Don't get boxed in on the last lap.
Exactly. Kerr wasn’t fast enough. Pattison and Burgin had moved into a position to kick. Kerr just hugged the rail and tried to bitch kick. I’d be pissed if this happened in an U15 race, let alone an Olympic Qualifier.
Why did he fall
I like Josh Kerr, but I don't think Giles intentionally cut Kerr other off, despite what people say. I think it was just a "racers instinct" (or something?) thing where you see someone behind you and you try to make sure they aren't passing you, because Giles probably felt Kerr behind him and probably heard him breathing and probably paniced and try to swing his arms out to have Kerr not pass him, although that's probably very unlikely and I'm just reading too much into this. Feels bad for both Giles and Kerr, however Kerr is not the biggest fan of the 800 it seems like, so probably not as big of a blow to Kerr as it was to Giles. I hope they recover well, they still ran a great race even if they didn't completely cross the line.
Agree! Upload! I would have watched the full videos
Giles had perfect form until he felt Kerr attempting to pass him on the left side. Then suddenly, his left elbow started swinging wildly even before any contact was made. Watch the video carefully and you'll see this.
Not a track expert, but the guy in front doesn't have a rear view mirror. Seems to me that the person overtaking is responsible for doing so cleanly. Giles didn't seem to be trying to block out. He just looked tires and a little wobbly. I think that's why he went down so easily.
Il somebody is passing you, don't close the room
Who’s Niels Gourley?
Kerr had possision Giles drifted into Kerr
He did drift but I don't think that was to intentionally cut him off
@@AdamJansen786. Giles Very Obviously DID drift to the inside edge of Lane 1 with every intention of Blocking Kerr. I don’t know exactly what the track and field rules are regarding “blocking vs. charging”, but if you swerve to block a fast approaching racer in stock car racing (NASCAR), you should expect to find the rescue team pulling you out of the fully crumpled mess that used to be your race car.
Facts
Kerr is an arse---so as usual ,he creates controversy whete needn't be.
The guy in front always has position. Pulling up on the inside of a runner and expecting a clear run is unlikely.
He literally got in front of josh, then slowed down then when josh starts to pass him he moves over and closes the gap
Giles was clearly trying to put the squeeze on Kerr. Giles had plenty of space to his right. But i dont feel like he meant for them to go down.
I wonder what Kerr is capable of in the 800m with his current shape.
Not that much faster. 1.44 low. Don’t think he’s in 1.43 shape. He’s not that sort of runner. He’s an aerobic monster that’s best between 1500 and 3k. He’s not an 800 guy.
He wont beat Athing Mu
All UK 800mtr runners will have to up their game....for the Olympics, looking at the times in Paris last week, 3 athletes in the 1.41's !
Well you can clearly see he saw kerr he was racing close the line and started to run the opposite time, perhaps he did it to win and close any possibility to catch him(you can but not like in this video) or maybe when he saw kerr he lost his direction and started to run to him
Athletes can do things that most can't do. Having said that. It would surprise me if it was done purposefully.
YOOOO YOU SAW MY VID
Sorry?
As an 800m runner, it's quite ballsy for Kerr to take the inside lane when it wasn't entirely safe to do so. With how fast the 800m is, split decisions at the end are extremely dangerous and risky. From my perspective, Kerr was being sloppy. Giles shouldn't have drifted off of the inside lane, but its common when you're emptying the tank. I think he instinctively closed the inside of lane when he felt the presence, but I don't think it was a petty attempt - if it were, his arms would've been more involved. Their legs collided...
Either way, I find it hard to read comments that are coming out to bat wholeheartedly for Kerr. The collision is much more complicated... Giles is less popular, so it's clear that people will back Kerr, but remember Giles is just a dude. Y'all making him sound like he's a bad person, when it came down to olympic dreams and being 105% fatigued.
Agree 100%; if you try and pass on the inside of another runner in the finishing straight you are asking for trouble. Yes you might get through a small gap on occasion but you have to expect that in the majority of races you are going to get blocked off. Kerr took the gamble - and it didn't pay off. No blame on Giles; I agree that he should get the third spot in the 800.
Two general comments. Firstly, we are breeding a generation of runners who can run fast times in paced races but are all at sea in championships when there is nobody there to set the pace.
Secondly, the fairest way to select the team is the American trials system - first three across the line go to the Games. It might not be the best way to select your team to win the medals possible but ti is the fairest way.
BS, expect to fall when you move over that much, get real.
The American system is too brutal. Anything can go wrong in a single race for even the greatest athletes. If you’re serious about winning medals then you’ve got to leave the selectors some wiggle room.
@@joejoejoe4577I also think the fact that anything can and will go wrong emulates the actual Olympics. this high-stress and lack of certainty for even the BEST to make it prepares the athletes that do make it, because that’s what the Olympics are like :) That’s just my mediocre opinion tho 😅
@@chasebell1414 It would be fair to say that if you can’t finish in the first two in your country’s own trials (leaving the third spot to the discretion of selectors) it is probably unlikely you’ll medal on the world stage. The British system has worked well over the years and is generally accepted by the athletes.
@@joejoejoe4577 In America someone could take you out of the final, like Raven Rodgers clipping/tripping Athing Mu, eliminating 4 years of hard work.
I wish the full race replays would be posted more often. I dont jjst wanna see the start and the finish, I want to see the progression and see all the moves made in the race and such. It feels like they try to limit access just for money when in reality everyone should be able to see these races. Why does there have to be a price to see full races, I'll never understand
Giles cut off Kerr twice, as many have already pointed out. Not sure of their history, but it would appear that Giles has some beef with Kerr about something or other. Either that or he has just forgotten how to run in lane. He'd be a liability in any Olympic race if this is how he runs, so it wouldn't be a massive loss to the sport if he didn't make it.
Kerr is no doubt a great runner but there are always risks when you try passing on the inside crowding the other runner in the lane.
Giles needs to hold his line. Initially there was room for Kerr on the inside. If you are the guy in front you are potentially self sabotaging yourself with if you move off your line in the last 50m.
Also don’t forget about the Americans in the 1500.
Your reply was correct--I gave a more sour opinion- I have Raced before--lead my School to two Championship in Cross and as Prefontaine's got AXED in Car Crash... and I could not lead in Senior Year BUT I raced with Compassion---SORRY, ITS not about Winning ITS the Challenge But when it comes to Crash and Burn I have compassion.
Funny my Crash(and temporary death) was 7/6/66 and when I saw Steve's tag with the Number 766 I FREAKED OUT--- I was in between RYUN/STEVE and got wasted like Many others(injured/Reality) many FALL before the finish Line--Thats LIFE
Yes giles always does this he kicks and slows over the last 70 kerr got quicker, and then giles cut kerr off (just look at the way he tried to block him lol)
We can hope that wightman get’s the 800 and 1.500 spot he is the best British middle distance guy
Giles never performs on big occasions unfortunately and jake is so consistent
You’re right that there ‘wasn’t really the space there.’ Kerr was absolutely in the wrong.
Your clueless. Can easily fit 2 maybe 3 people in 1 lane. Giles was on the outside of lane 1, kerr was inside. Giles then cut arcoss the lane and tripped them both. Giles fault 100%
Just my take but it dont matter Giles ended up in front of Kerr who was making an inside move, people dont drift out then just shoot back over like that, I think Giles was just playing defense and got tripped up on Kerr. Kerr was just making a move. I dont really think its anybodies fault that they both fell but Giles did change his direction so you could say thats the problem
5:48 Adam West? Maybe he'd be faster if he wore his Batsuit!
Most runners drift to the outside not the inside
Giles should be band
Did Kerr sabotage Giles...perhaps not intentionally but Kerr didn't need this race. You've got it precisely reversed.
Did Kerr hit his head on the rail?
I think this was intentional but not premeditated. Some instinct took over.
7:19 A video that has 76,000 views but no comments means all its "views" came from being embedded into a web page somewhere (like a UK Athletics-related web site, or perhaps in a Tweet or something), not from the source CZcams page, since you can't post comments to the video from the embedded page. That also means that probably most of those "views" weren't genuine views where someone actually WATCHED it, but merely the auto-plays that got triggered when the web page is first loaded, or when scrolling past where the video is. View counts for embedded videos are total BS.
The other explanation is someone paid a click farm/bot farm to artificially inflate the view count. This is usually done when someone is selling something (the video is an ad) or for propaganda purposes (the video pretends to be from "influencers", for example, but is actually part of a state-run PR operation).
Giles sure tried to sell it. He drifted left awkwardly then acted like he got hit by a sniper. Kerr would have cleanly passed him. The fall did not rob him of a top 3.
Did Kerr not qualify for Paris?
Want Cole hocker to win 1500!
I think he felt him there on the backswing and then just fit his bidy out of shape...
Kerr was about to beat him which is embarrassing so its probabky no great loss.
You SAW him running with his shoulders at an angle, knowing the runner was there. If you like American football in track events, you will make excuses for him. Mixed martial arts and running.
I'm sure you would love someone moving in to sut you off in rush hour traffic.
If you feel that running should be a contact "sport", alternate events using tripping, elbowing, shoulder-checking could be invented.
Call it track hockey, and for even more fun, arm competitors with switchblades, or, better, machetes.
Spell Burgin wrong like you've never heard of him before.
Yes, you are biased. As others have stated he clearly tried to shut kerr out by drifting back in. Especially after the way he cut Kerr off earlier when he passed him
Giles cut off Kerr TWICE.
When you say Kerr fell off at 180m he didn’t he got cut off and had to quickly slow down and get passed as a result. Then Giles swooped from the outside to the inside of lane 1 during his kick. Giles shouldn’t go, he definitely at least did one of those intentionally and deserved to get knocked.
Yeah, it’s annoying how we can’t watch full races and have to contend with the last 200m of a race. I love the build up, the strategies and tracking the pace. We need to take a step back from this instant gratification shite that has been imposed on us. The same with spoilers in the thumbnail and titles. Content creators are sacrificing our viewing pleasure for views. I get it, but it’s so annoying.
Been watching too many footballers 😂
Neither travelling well enough to finish Top 2 anyway!!!
Same in us. They are gatekeeping womens distance.
Why do people call Josh Kerr 'Juan'?
You are called the full word.
@@joejoejoe4577 Juan Carlos?
@@user-xr3yd3ed5o Juan Hater.
Giles caused the collision. There was space and Kerr was already coming through and then Giles decided to defend the inside lane and splat. I like Giles and feel badly, but he was fighting for the win and it backfired.
That was a hardcore movement to the rail by Giles, there was no reason for that except to block.
Kerr's tactics the last 250 were terrible...he should have responded immediately when he got passed by the 1st guy instead of letting 3 pass and getting boxed in. Slow reaction for a guy known for his kick.
That was on Giles. He could have drifted to his right to avoid it.
Giles was getting passed. He would ended 4th or 5th. Clearly he tries to cut off lane 1.
Yep.. that's the truth of it.
Kerr absolutely at fault. There wasn’t the space. They’re all running on lactic, lungs busting. Kerr hugged the rail from the bell and tried to bitch kick it. Plus, UK athletics need to get a grip. Kerr should not be ‘having a laugh’ and just trying out the 800 for fun.
You can see that Giles cut off Kerr when he felt him coming. Giles literally stopped to block Kerr. Giles knew he was fucked
Definitely more on Kerr. Like in a driving accident it’s whoever’s behind that’s at fault. Giles was just tired. Kerr tried to force it
Josh Kerr'nt
*Too much Batman.
That was on purpose
I mean that’s to be expected passing inside in the final kick of an 800. Hope he’s okay
You pull a stunt like that, except to fall.
bloody hell...breathe sometimes maan
This is the risk you take passing on the inside, the runner in front can slam that door shut at any time. Athing Mu leaves the inside pass open constantly. It looks like Josh had enough position here to use his forearm if he wanted but that could be the angle of the camera. We all know Coe would have placed an elbow here 😊.
Ovett knew when to get physical.
Huge Kerr fan here, and I'm very disappointed with this fall, but unless Josh has hips and shoulders narrower than 15/16"s there was no room for him
If anything Kerr took Giles out - there was no room there and he should have given a vocalization or some indication he was coming through. Kerr also should have seen Giles arm carry was all over the place and it was risky pushing through.
Rubbish, you know nothing. Are you his mother?
Lol Kerr nocked him to the ground clearly shows in the video from behind both these guy's r running stiff and awkward
I don't like kerr but i think it was giles fault. if you leave a gap like that you can't just close it slowly like that. i don't really care if it was intentional or not he shouldn't have drifted back
Context: Kerr did the race for fun/training while the others have their careers on the line..
Why would Giles sabotage his own career?
Most top 1500 runners will dip down to the 800 to maximise their speed endurance.
That guy was running crooked and ran into Josh . That guy couldn't see him so it's Josh's fault.
Cap
I agree
Jake wightman is the best 800m runner of britain tf
He is the quickest British and at his best he is a consistent 800 guy and wightman ran 3:47 giles is just not as good as wightman. In NOT a single event and defenetly not big championships he races very immature and pushing 40
He got like only one medal in his career 10 years ago, wightman is world champ and over European champs 800m silver medalist…he is objectively much better
Respectfully*
In a prime vs prime Wightman is more accomplished I agree. However he has not looked in full fitness this season because of the stress fractures he had last year. Giles has been racing consistently and getting solid times (and I want to see him succeed) which is why I think he should race instead of Wightman this year.
Not going to matter. Wightman is barely sub 1;44 (1;43.65) and there are 10 people in 2024 alone faster than this. A lot faster than this.
Not intentional, still Giles' fault.
Completely unintentional
Giles may be sueing u for slander papi......💩💩💩💩💩
Everything is bias lmao
You talk wrong. He cut Kerr off. He should be better than that at this level.
Giles definitely flopped on that race.
GILES was VILE--SORRY its Called Understanding--If I was Giles I would have Realized I had given Him too Much SPACE to pass ME and I should RELENT because of MY MISTAKE of Letting TOO Much SPACE and THE CUTTING HIM OFF was a DISGRACE BUT everything is GOING Ballistic SO its SAD of such a HARD FALL--GILES KNEW he was There and PICKED the WRONG ACTION of PREJUDICE over COMPASSION--IT was a Race of SKILL not DEATH(to the other guy)
Giles intentionally cut Kerr off.
Imagine being a nobody like Giles and taking out an Olympic medal contender. Should come with a ban
He’s out there running - what are you doing? Sitting on your … criticizing someone else. Pathetic.
@@brockroberts4258 lol you take personal offense to the comment? I’m a good runner in my own right so keep your comments to yourself
Yes, it is a bias opinion.
Kerrs fault imo
Kerr was at fault.
Yes, he clearly drifted into the other runner. Open your eyes fcking hell.