DH Or eBike | What Should Your Next Bike Park Bike Be?
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- The Mountain Biking industry can often be a minefield when trying to choose any bike. Neil Donoghue talks about what he thinks is better for getting laps in at the bike park, a Downhill Bike or an E-Bike? By comparing his own bikes at Caersws Bike Park in Wales he is able to give his honest opinion on the pros and cons for both bikes.
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00:00 - Intro
00:51 - Downhill Bike
03:55 - E-Bike
05:59 - Comparison
09:48 - Conclusion
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For an ebike drivetrain, they don’t have to be expensive. Throw on a steel cassette and run an xt shifter and deore derailleur and cassette. Or the new link glide system.
I have a Kenevo SL Comp and love it. I use it for everything. Riding on downhill, enduro, and xc trails. I use it for gravel and even road trips up to sixty miles per day, several times a week. I have been thinking about attaching an Old Man Mountain rear rack to use for bikepacking and shopping. I just don’t know if that is wise, using a rear rack on a full suspension, carbon frame.
I have ridden this bike for over four thousand miles and it has been stone reliable. The only things that I have replaced was brake pads, tires, and chains. No repairs, just these three wear items.
I'd like a Enduro, DH, ebike, jump bike and trail bike. But can only afford one😭😭
We wish we could all have everyone of them you don’t have to have the latest 10k bikes if you shop online you can find some bargains out there I paid 4K for my 2014 glory still rocking 26s and 1200 for my Alcatraz JB czcams.com/video/RsYO-vCmt0c/video.htmlsi=LwA59s4Ne-uuzU8Z
Me too 👍🏼😅
Get an enduro ebike in that case lol
Ye Get an enduro
I've got a second hand Xduro Nduro Pro bike 180 mil travel both ends and I spend all my free time riding up and down an escarpment I got 52 mile an hour down there last year I've never had a bike like it I always say if a bike is expensive look for an alternative older bike chances are it's as good when revamped, it does everything and the components are top end and more durable than today's cheaper made crap
I just recently sold my e-bike and bought a downhill bike. I just realized that I don‘t enjoy pedaling around. I just want to ride down. 😃
Enduro bikes go uphill and they go as well as an e-enduro bike downhill. So all you need is an enduro bike and enough time and energy to do as many laps as you can and you can still take the uplift in the summer if you want.
I haven't tried a high end ebike yet but for the weight and the sluggishness I never had a great time riding them.
Dh bikes are like the old OG group B rally cars. Crazy fast with unlimited potential and look at them, they're badass.
Even an heavy 650b dh bike will give you tons of fun
I've noticed so much improvement over everything this year with the sheer repetition that an eMTB facilitates.
When I get on my other bikes that are not eMTB, I notice right off that I've leveled up.
That and the eMTB is pretty much the most fun I've had on bikes ever at 56 y/o and looks promising for keeping me on the bike until they have to pry my cold, dead hands off the grips!
Love my emtb, mullet, 160 rear, 180 front. Laps upon laps. Full send.
After decades of natural mtb since 2019 Eb ,inhances the experience, nice episode, Cheers Mate 🇦🇺
I'd rather give up than buy an E bike
Why?
Neil just looks like a rocket with both bikes. His skills let him bring out the best of both bikes.
If you ride bikeparks at least in central europe there's usually uplift. Definitely recommend a downhiller. I live in Lenzerheide and i outgrew my downhill bike. So i occasionally ride the park with my Enduro.
It works, an e-bike works too. But it's sooo much harder on the bike. You're going to have to pay muuuch more attention to the bike & line you pick. Also need to service it regularly. A downhill bike takes it, no problems, no service needed (at least not after every ride)
Bikepark - DOWNHILLER
Anything else - Enduro/e-bike
An excellent video Neil
really enjoyed it ...
Im a little bit torn between the two were i am we have some good elevation and some insane descents but not much opportunity for shuttles or any nearby chairlifts.
DIY eDH bike is where it's at. 72v pocket rocket with CYC X1 on a downhill rig. Purpose-built ebike frames are trash 🗑️ if the motor/battery are discontinued, as the batteries fit in the down tube, and there is no bottom bracket.
Great to see bike brands other than just Canyon, Nukeproof and Orbea included on the channel.
nothing beats a proper dh bike for uplift days. ebike geometry and weight/centre of gravity simply does not compare. Then shimano motor rattle on top of that
Neither. I still think a Trail/Enduro bike with around 160mm travel front and rear is best for most mountain bikers who can only have one mountain bike. You can take them on uplifts, on flights, to races, and they are cheaper to buy in the first place.
I have both, hands down my Levo is the most all around capable. Take it anywhere, explore any trail, climb any steep, session as much as you want, take as much gear as you want, and have the power to get back to the truck when you are dead tired. You will even wear pads more often because you realize the pedaling isn't killing you in them. Power, stability, tons of suspension and brakes. My friends ride for a couple of hours. I ride all day. Now, that being said, I'm NEVER taking the E to the gravity parks. Scroll through marketplace, pick up a Glory with a few scratches for less than $1k all day every day and f you've never ridden a DH then prepared to be stunned. This is place you bring you bulletproof plow-horse. This is the place with braking bump craters that make you glad to have 200mils of suspension. This is the place where linear springs trump progressive. It's where everything is bigger, gnarlier, faster, and harder. Let someone else buy the new DH, there are so many cheap used ones that you would be a fool not to pick one up and spend the big cash on your every day trail bike.
Gotta have the tools for the job which is why I have a trail/enduro bike, dh, dirtjumper, and bmx
I'm a dad of 3 boys, so time to ride is limited.. My Ebike allows me to ride to my trails, put in multiple laps and get home in the time it would take me to do one lap on my regular bike. its a no brainer for me
I have kenevo expert! Dual crown 200mil travel front and 187 rear travel! I use it at bike parks and trails everywhere! I love it. Never getting another season pass anywhere! I love the weight because it’s like riding my cove peeler back in 2008! But I can pedal back up! And have 2 batteries! Only bike Ii will have! And it’s my second e bike
I'm a fan of pedal up bike parks for my ebike.
I went with enduro ebike (Giant Reign) for normal riding around and DH bike for bikeparks. I sold my trail/enduro because I wanted DH bike. Am I overbiked? Yes. Does DH bike brought me confidence I lacked on normal trail/enduro bike? Yes. This season (4th) I started to hit 2m drops or 5-6m gaps, thanks the DH bike. Its crap for normal peddaling, but man, at the bikepark it shines. Btw I am 43yrs old.
I agree that Neil's DH bike is beautiful. I'm lucky that my holiday's are always near bike parks (I've holidayed near 5 gravity parks this year and I've driven there with bikes). I could actually justify owning one of these bikes as I tend to holiday where you get these cards that give you unlimited access to ski lifts as part of the accommodation. However, being a dad of three kids I also need a bike that I can just mill about on and get ice cream on with the kids. I need a bike I can leave around in strange places and not worry about it getting stolen in 5 minutes because it costs more than a small car. My final point is that not all bike parks without an uplift allow you to ride e-bikes because the fact you can do more runs in a day means you wear the trails down faster (Do e-bikers pay voluntary trail fees? or are their finances tied up in monthly payments and maintenance costs). Anyway, I'll just stare at Neil's bikes and dream about what I'd ride in another life 😀
Have both, would choose DH every day. ^^
That's what I want. A long travel E-bike. So 170mm shouldn't be too long. Thx
I just replaced my Nukeproof Giga with a Kenevo. Almost the same geometry, but the number of laps I can do new is chalk & cheese. Kenevo SL for the win with me as there aren't that many uplifts in Melbourne.
I’m not seeking a DH bike but rather a XC, DH suspension is almost like Dirt Bike suspension.
Have you done anything with the linkage on the Kenevo to run a 27.5 rear wheel?
Kenevo Expert (triple clamps) all day long
100%
You don’t need a downhill bike to ride downhill you can do it on any bike
I wish you were with me last week my downhill bike was made for the drop I did a standard bike would have had you over the bars haha
Depends on the park, because I've been to some and thinking afterwards without 200mm of travel they would have had to carry me off the mountain. It's not even big hits, sometimes it's just accidentally carrying too much speed through rocks or braking bump bomb craters.
Down hill bikes are a joke it’s all just a marketing ploy to get ur money I can ride any terrain with one bike
@@topchoice1621 as you said you can ride any terrain On one bike why you do rampage dark fest hardline and a full season of World Cup DH on a 170 mil Enduro bike see what happens And on the rampage I’m not talking about Brendan Seminick Way of rampage josh bender way of rampage Sending 50ft drops Along the way😂😂 Don’t forget the 75 foot canyon gap
Is it normal for bike parks to not maintain the trails , it seems that a certain park in Southern California doesn't maintain their trails , at all
My dream mountain bike
I don’t understand why there aren’t many downhill E-Bikes. That’s the only form of E-Bike that makes sense to me. If I have pedal assist I’d want knobby tires, 200mm travel, dual crowns, inserts, etc. cause why not?
The Kenevo SL is the best of both world
I want an ebike DH bike!
I'm lucky enough to own an enduro and a downhill bike but they are old, i love riding the downhill bike but pushing up does get old quick. Not really interested in an ebike purely due to the cost.
That would be the dream to have any of those bike but only can afford a hardtail
What kind of e-bike tho?
7:15 is that BPW?
That S-Works bike is well above the cost of many New low-cost cars, what to say about motor bikes
E-bike any day.... I could be up and down my local Munro (Sgor Gaoith) twice in the time it would take you to push a DH bike to the top...and it's only 140mm travel lol
get the bike you can afford and can emjoy
Get yourself a proper long travel ebike... Like I did. You won't regret it.🤪
Neither, I live in NZ where I have access to the Queenstown bike park, the George in Nelson, and the Christchurch bike park is in my back yard, and I ride them all on my 120mm norco fluid fs1, in my opinion downhill bikes make the tracks easier so you just end up riding them faster, I would only get a downhill bike if I was racing downhill, I wouldn't even get an enduro bike unless I was racing enduro, I would just get a trail bike, they're more than capable enough for the vast majority of people.
Yeah I often see people being overbiked imo. Turns a blue trail into a green one most of the time. It's great zipping with them of course but there's also a certain fun on underbiking and the added challenge on trails due to lower travel. Saw some even ripping in a hardtail sometimes.
@@ryoukokonpaku1575 Yep, I also find in general shorter travel bikes to be more poppy, which makes trails more fun, I find bigger travel bikes tend to steam roll over everything, which means you don't get to experience all the small trail features, which kind of deadens a lot of trails.
ebike with 38 long travel fork for all year mtb :)
no need of lift mainly available during summer, no need of shuttle, the ebike is the shuttle and is more versatile 😁
Have a Moustache Game 170/160 and I enjoy it so mutch !
But talking about budget....yes DH is generaly far cheaper but need more skills to enjoy it and is a bit too specific and limited in my opinion.
The other option is a super enduro bike if you don't have the budget for an ebike but want someting capable but more versatile that the DH🙂
But for each, the main thing is to enjoy riding, right ? 😀
I understand about a downhill bike , you have to be 100% fast and have no fear. I would rather have your nukeproof any day for the looks aggressive. E-bikes are making biking boring in away . Mate your not old. Believe me,. Good video really enjoyed the stance of that rig . 🤘🤘⭐️⭐️Ross cumbria. Matt walker dose he still ride for Saracen ..
Bernard kerr Signed him years ago
Ebikes boring? Opening up endless laps of fabulous riding spots such as Golfie? Nah - they're making it more fun.
@@MattSB2588 And it's not a boring 45 min climb. Granted you just do the same climb twice but more DH!
Get out of my head, I've been debating this exact decision lately
dh bike is way more fun
Neal is 100% right about DH bikes they are absolute pigs to ride Specially if you have a heavy old school bike like my glory street riding all day is hard work especially peddling spot to spot as the saying goes no pain no gain😂 But get it into its natural habitat and you have the best time of your life nothing ride like a DH bike in its natural. territory smiles for mile no Offense to Neil and his descent is absolutely stunning but I think the demo. is better looking
Definitely NOT an Ebike. Never ever choose the Ebike for anything!
Why? So much more fun.
@@MattSB2588 They are motor bikes. They have no place on mountain bike trails.
@@myrants5836 ignorant af
@@myrants5836 not remotely a motorbike. Not in any way, shape or form. I've replaced a downhill bike and enduro bike with an emtb. One of the best decisions I have ever made, based on current circumstances and where we ride most frequently.
@@MattSB2588 It's got a motor in it. So it is exactly a motor bike!!!
Which handled better ? E bikes are heavy. How do the costs of the bikes compare?
The superlight ebikes are around 30-40ish lbs. The full power ones are the heavier ones in the 45-60lb range. Handling wise, my DH bike is way more nimble than my fullpower ebike but the ebike is very comfortable and plush. There is a trade off with everything so I'd say it's more so what you use it for. I wouldn't bring my Levo to a bike park because of the uplift and it's cheaper to maintain.
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Totally agree. I runs as well ebike + DH.
@@lukasvrana6388 I'm upgrading in a few weeks. Have a 19 Levo and 16 Tues carbon race which are going to a family member. My Levos a size to small, for some reason the mediums on gen 2 have a 435mm reach.. Anyways, upgrading to a heckler SL for every day use, V10 for park, and likely get a bullit for big mountain/trail building. I love specialized but giving Santa Cruz a go.
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ those are sick bikes!!! I am from Europe, so went with Giant Reign E+1 and DH bike is Propain Rage (CF, custom build) from Germany (neighbor state). Santas are higher in prices in my location :)
@@lukasvrana6388 Yeah, I'm in southern California so they are t too far away. Propane bikes look like they are fantastic. Have heard great things about them.
Neil glossed over the fact that eeb is a five figure machine...
The S-Works SL is, but you can get a full-power Kenevo for less than $6000 at the moment.
@@jmo2752 Correct. And I'm so tempted.
rather ride my 96 Karakoram
Ebikes in the bike park? What's next Motos?
E bikes have so many Software and Hardware isue that i dont whant it i see that on my dayli work and i quit my Job as a byciclerepairman and work jet on gardner
Really? I have one as well as a few friends, and pretty much no issues with any of them, and all different brands. Had mine for 3 years, ride it really hard, almost surprised i haven’t broken something motor/battery related but it’s been super reliable.
@@ryanmichels2981 The real reason why I stopped is because man is the buffer stop of the bicycle industry. stinky sour customers. you have to justify yourself. goes to the psychological substance and loses the passion for repairing bicycles.... now I have a relaxed job that doesn't cost me nerves and gray hair and I repair my bicycles for myself
Ebike for sure.
If you're riding an ebike at a lift access DH park, I'm running you off the trail.:)
Why?
As a fan of fatbikes I want someone to make a DH fatbike lol it'd be sickkkk
Lol this video is basically would you like a dh bike or would you like to waste thousands more on an e bike 😂
My yt decoy top spec was cheaper brand new than a Scott gambler Top spec DH bike. It’s all relative isn’t it?
I'll pass on both and buy a 4 year old car, thanks.
So you want to ride downhill without having to ride uphill? Try a different sport. Two-wheelers provided by companies like Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and KTM. BTW, how much for that Specialized? 😬
Whilst you sit on a chairlift?
How about.. NO.
Says the guy who goes uphill in a Land Rover or a chairlift 🤣
Yeah, no. An e-bike is just another tool like any bike, it has great uses. I wouldn't throw out my 12mm socket because I love my 10mm so much. Just an asinine attitude to take.
@@growlith6969 I find that riding road bikes, mtn bikes AND motorcycles makes the need for a moped minimal at best.
I think you should earn your downhill. Not a fan of the assisted bike.
Love the Nukeproof brand!
So you don’t use uplifts or shuttle either?? Cause that’s not ‘earning’ the decent
@@toranaandy2245 couldn't tell you where one would be around my area. Phoenix Arizona
Earning the downhill by sitting in a lift for minutes.
@@Pienimusta You might have lifts in your area, I do not.
Will sed and 100% agree with you yes street riding Heavy DH like my 2014 glory Here in the UK in 30° a couple of weeks ago was 💀💀 but As it’s my dream bike I would never swap it for any bike specially an E bike that’s for sure