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I really, really enjoyed my time on that Rocky Mountain Power Play! Check out all the details on that bike here at Jenson USA: jenson.sjv.io/RockyMountainPo... (anything purchased there will help support my channel).
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How to Hit New Jumps: / hitting-new-and-83883299
Berm line choice: / line-choices-for-82322348
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Wet weather riding tips: / wet-weather-tips-78055037
How to ride ROUGH corners: / how-to-ride-76582910
50 tips to be a better mountain biker: / 50-tips-to-be-75352100
How to land jumps: / how-to-land-74063598
How to ride steep trails: / how-to-ride-72705363
How to sprint without pedaling: / how-to-sprint-71580461
How to ride flat corners: / how-to-ride-flat-68552084
How to jump found gaps: / 67255256
How to stoppie turn: / 65842496
How to drop: / 64552391
How to LEAN in corners: / how-to-lean-in-63176556
How to Ride Light on the Bike: / how-to-ride-on-61941975
Riding technique differences between hardtails and full suspension: / 60435182
How to rut track: / 59366938
5 tips to make flat trails more fun: / 58058983
5 tips to improve bike control and balance: / 56839920
How to levitate out of corners: / 55607066
Three simple cornering tips: / 54371316
How (and when) to rock roll or drop: / 53126562
How to jump with fluidity- and not DEAD SAILER! / 51914476
How to Lanual: / 50695443
How to climb ledges without a bunny hop: / 49476021
Which brake to use when: / which-brake-to-48108425
Different bikes, different riding techniques: / 46925782
How to ride FLAT PEDALS through the ROCKS: / how-to-ride-flat-45662347
How to ride wet roots and steep chutes: / 44507851
How to ride with style: / how-to-ride-with-43349450
How to jump for height vs distance: / 42202183
Common manual questions answered: / 41006264
How to land jumps: / 39928153
My 3 favorite skills drills: / if-i-could-only-38809964
How to manual: / how-to-manual-37684861
Cutty: / 36579859
Manual a berm: / 35496772
How to ride in Sedona: / 34436065
Switchbacks: / 3-ways-to-33345804
Nosewheelie: / 32742504
Bump jump: / 31881231
Trials basics for trail riders: / 31145344
Tight berms: / 30389457
Aggressive braking: / 29579507
Confidence for mountain biking: / 28817411
Cornering: / 27981205
Flowing/pumping down the trail: / 27288868
Stoppie through turns: / 26296762
Technical climbing: / 25234847
Boost jumps: / 24161821
Bunnyhop: / 23396959
Utilizing the wheelie on the trail: / 23017910
How to wheelie: / 21879606 - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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Hope it isn't one of those scams, like free with your $10k purchase of other junk LOL. Nahh, you wouldn't do that to your fans eh!
I have a 2019 Levo and like you said it needed a Zeb and Float X2 to bring it to life. However at 51 lbs and with the bigger 700Wh battery getting it to "pop" required effort. Recently I got a Heckler SL and this bike is a game changer. It lives up to the marketing hype and pops and jumps just like a pedal bike. Without a doubt the more "playful" nature is due to having less weight and having it more centralized. Also, the 60Nm Fazua motor punches above its weight and powerful enough for my needs. The way I see it is if you tend be a rider that just plows through stuff a full power bike is probably the better choice but for those who like to "play" the new generation of "lite" emtbs with the 60Nm motors hits the sweet spot! And an emtb that doesn't look like an emtb, that's icing on the cake.
I like your well thought out commentary. One of the best MTB channels around. I especially like that you don't just regurgitate the marketing spiel - except for perhaps the hydration guff.
This was a great, original video. I really like how you went back and discussed the Intense Tazer in today's context. I have an Intense Tazer and as you described the bike still rocks. Thanks for the video. Great job!
Heck yeah Jeff!! You'll love the Lapierre Overvolt 3!!!
Jeff, Transition is right here in Bellingham, and they have the “Relay”.
It’s got the swappable/removable, sub 500wh battery you are talking about.
I’m sure they’d loan you a press bike.
I’d love to see your thought on it.
My ebike is a Pivot Shuttle SL with the Fazua ride60 (60 nm torque). I was worried I’d need more battery. That has never been the limiter, nor has the power. I love the bike.
Thank you for giving us review... I am patiently waiting on your input of the pinon gearbox
Video quality is so smooth. A pleasant to watch
Thank you, Garrett! Honestly, the 4K 60 is usually an accident but I decided for this one go ahead and include it. Thanks for your note.
I picked up a Fuel EXe this year which "only" has 300 watts of power and weighs about 40 pounds. It's the closest ebike I've ridden to a regular mountain bike but it has just enough power to take out the sting of the climbs, and in boost it's still decently quick for an after work lap. 360wh gets me about 4000 vert on eco and I've yet to kill it on boost (done 2300 on a solo ride and had 30% left).
Your old videos on intense tazer were crucial in my decision to buy one . I only have 400 miles, but I absolutely love the bike.
Excellent points
Well, if we are talking about weight distribution and handling on the trail, you should check out the Lapierre GLP!
Yep - that’s the first bike that came into my mind after the weight centralisation comments. I tried to get one a few years back - but availability was poor in the UK at the time.
I love all things 2 wheeld , and really like my Specialized SL it doesn't have a lot of power or weight , but just enough to keep me interested , I think I'll go ride it today just like yesterday 😊
My Bulls Wildflow SL has the FAZUA evasion (new version is ride 50) and it has a 250 wh swapable battery that is all I need for any ride up to 20 miles.
I’ve got a second (3lb) battery for when I need more range. I LOVE the concept and execution!
I’ve set it up as a mullet and extended fox 34s 20mm so it reaches modern geo.
Hey Jeff, thanks for your recommendation to hit Galbraith during my recent trip to Bellingham! Dad Bod and The Oriental Express we’re awesome!
Curious to see you get on both the Transition Relay and SC Heckler SL.
I have a 2021 Orbea Rise with the 360wh battery. Can get 16 flat miles or about 2500’ vertical. Good for 95% of my rides. As needed, I can grab my 250wh range extender. Cascade link plus longer fork and you got a shred machine. Need the extra power in certain situations?…unlock the motor to provide full power.
Love that you’re doing EMTB stuff on your page. People can hate on them but ultimately they are just so much fun.
Fun? I feel like they are novel at first, but the fun wears off. I do wish. I had a new bike for training purposes as I burn a lot more calories on the eBike then on the muscle bike. But generally, I prefer riding the pedal bike, believe it or not.
@@JeffKendallWeed I have a blast on mine, but I also likely don’t possess anywhere near the skill level or fitness you have for riding, so maybe that factors into it. It lets me ride further and longer than I could otherwise. That being said I also have a few other bikes I switch up with for variety, so I’m not only EMTB. Good vid though, I like your honest input and commentary.
I don’t hate ebikes,I found out I only hate ebikers 😂
@@JeffKendallWeed because you have so many trails to use your normal bike on.. we don't have any of those here, so the electric bike is the only way to find some fun on the terrain available to me.
In my region (Tremblant QC) there's a lot of groomed trails but the unmarked ones where you have to hop and portage over things constantly are often more secluded and have a OG freestyle element to it. All of that to say I took my son's levo alloy a bit too far once. I regretted it all the way back home 😂
Fun but it depends where...
Great video! I traded in my 2022 Levo for a 2023 Levo SL and love it. The Levo was way over powered and I was just the passenger. I ride the SL with the motor mostly in off or eco modes and only use trail mode to assist on climbs and it's nice to get 4000 ft of vert per ride. I like your idea to ride with extended battery and leave the main battery home... cut some more weight but still have some power to help with the climbs.
❤ I couldn’t agree more … Love my tazor !
Jeff, you nailed it. I would like to get a light weight emtb for myself, but also my wife who can't handle holding up a 45-50 lbs monster. The integrated battery quite frankly is a deterrent for me because I know how many smart phones I've replaced over the years because the batter doesn't hold a charge. Bikes are WAY too expensive to be replacing them every 3-4 years! Make the batter swappable I say! Yeeeew, thanks Jeff!
I picked up a Lego expert a couple months ago and what a blast it is to ride. I still haven’t used more than 30% or so on a ride though. Hopefully I do sometime soon.
I agree about the lighter battery. I have an Oso now (have you tested one yet???) and mostly love it, but I haven't really been able to get along with it after a bunch of miles. Always feel like I have to muscle the bike around everywhere. My suspicions were correct when I demo'ed a 2023 Orbea Wild here in Phoenix. Even while it had the heavier of the 2 battery options, it was a much nicer bike to ride, especially in the corners. I have a 2024 on order with the smaller battery, I'll be selling the Oso very soon.
I’ve been riding my Specialized turbo levo for about 5 months or 1000 miles. It Waze 52 pounds which definitely took some getting used to, but I think one thing to note is a heavier bike can actually benefit in particular riding styles. The riding I do in Santa Cruz California is super steep and chunky. Normally, it would be difficult to get through these trails fast without clips however, riding flats on E bike, it stays so planted that there are certain trails I’ve done faster because of the ebike. Mind you I ride with the bike off on the downhill.
It looks like Lapierre is on your page. I would love to try one of them!
I have an Orbea Rise H30 with the bigger battery. I think carbon version with smaller battery and range extender is the best option.
Very nice video! You maybe could ask Rocky for the 480 Wh battery in the Fusion Powerplay. 😅
I have a yt decoy and its awesome as a complete bike and has a smaller battery and like you said its plenty for my typical 1-2hr rides. I also have a bike I converted for my wife and it follows the idea you are liking where the battery is small(about 250wh) and the weight is very low so it actually ride alot like the original bike(giant stance). If I needed more than 20 miles I get out of a battery it would be easily hot swappable but so far hasnt needed it. Just for perspective it only weighs 42lbs where my carbon frame yt is over 10lbs heavier with only 250wh more and weight much higher so less playful bike.
Loving my canyon torque with the 504w hour battery. It’s swappable and makes a fun, big, burly bike.
Jeff, you should really see if Transition with let you try out one of their Relay's! They have hot swappable batteries as well!
I agree about the power and weight. I'm a 6'3", 270lb, 55-year-old, experienced cyclist. I have a Trek EXe (50Nm/360w/42lbs) which is in the same class as the Rise. As big as I am, I don't need more power. There is enough power to make riding a pretty casual affair.
It's way easier to ride hard and it's making me want to ride more. I'm more inclined to ride a fast 6-9 miles instead of spinning out 15 miles. It's a better workout in half the time. If I miss a few weeks of riding, it's not a big deal. The assist is there.
And if I want to ride further, I can lower the assist and spin, or carry an extra battery. What's not to love..other than the price?* 😬
*It's been worth every penny!
I definitely feel the future in ebikes is a mid power motor like the TQ or Fazua, with a mid size battery, and an optional range extender. Then it will go to internal gearing and drop the derailleur. All batteries need to be removable though to get around TSA travel restrictions.
Decoy with 2 x 520 WH batteries so much fun .
I'd be interested in seeing you test at Pivot Shuttle AM. See if Pivot would give you 2 bikes w/ same build level but one having the smaller 625 battery and the other the full 750 battery...hmm? I love where you're going w/ this vid!
Yeah I almost bougt the YT Decoy for this reason. I was going to get their 500 and 720 battery. I also agree most are too power most of the time. I'm in Trail mode which I have de-tuned on my Turbo Levo however... when I go to the bike park and the lift lines are long.. I turbo it straight up the mountain. One day got in 12 rides while my chairlift friends only got 5. I do think my next bike will be an SL and hopefully with a brand that does easy swappable batteries.
awesome video
Thanks Tomas!
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Transition Relay.
I really liked the Rise I rented in Bentonville! Packs should be swapable and more importantly rebuildable...
Where I'm at, and the terrain I like to ride, they are several 5 to 10 mile tracks. I definitely don't need a 900 watt battery.
I couldn’t agree more. I ride a 2019 RM Altitude PP and it’s great but I’d love to see a 70NM 500 WH version because there’s too much weight
Test the Transition Relay. I have owned the Tazer for three years and love it. But the Relay may be the next bike I own. It is a brawler but lighter and can be ridden with the battery removed.
Would be curious about you testing the Ibis Oso :)
Late reply. Naturally aspirated bikes are great no denying that. Although my new Husqvarna E bike rates pretty high on my adrenaline charge. Happy Trails
I’ve definitely considered buying a spare battery case for my bike and building a “half-capacity” battery with all the cells in the lower half for weight distribution.
I can go several days of 3hour rides on one charge with my current stock 750wh battery, so it’s way way bigger than I need.
That’s the thing a big battery is great when you have time for it but that’s probably not every day and you’re stuck with the dead weight
@@JeffKendallWeed You should try the new Transition which is made to be ridden with the battery in and out (40lb in and 30 out) a lot of people like that bike.
you should try to get your hands on a lapierre overvolt glp. That bike actually has the battery horizontally almost exactly over the bb.
I agree with you. Smaller replacable batteries positioned lower should be a standard and replacable batteries should be cheaper. I really like the design of old 2020 Lapierre Overvolt GLP 2
I feel like the $570 price tag of the shimano battery is pretty reasonable… I really wish this would become more normal!
@@JeffKendallWeed somewhat reasonable it is but still can be cheaper 😉
My 630 Wh Simplon battery is 1000€ 😔
@@JeffKendallWeed Imagine new Kellys Theos F100 with smaller battery. It would be 18 kg full enduro machine
See if you can get your hands on the Transition Relay. 60Nm, hot swap battery, or ride without. I have my eye on this one.
I have to agree with what you said about power. I have a spesh kenevo, 90nm peak torque. I find i ride it most in trail mode, detuned a bit from stock. The full power for me is only good if you are wanting to do shuttle runs or the very odd tricky climb, however you have to be careful it doesn’t spin out the wheel. It’s almost too much. Also, mine has a 500mw battery, and it’s fine, but all new bikes are going with bigger and bigger batteries and i don’t think people realize what you actually need. More isn’t always better.
Have you ridden an Ibis OSO?
The thing which immediately impressed me was the balance, as compared to the the other ebikes I've ridden. Many of the other ebikes I've ridden felt heavy and hard to get off the ground with any real consistency/control, but I've been able to ride my OSO much like my Ripmo... which is to say - ride it, huck it and have FUN!
As a 300 lb mountain ebike rider I can tell you I can definitely put 100% of Kenevo 80 newton meters down to the ground, uphill or downhill. LOL
I think you need to check out the new Lapierre overvolt. Looks like it would be right up your street
Sounds like you are describing a transition relay Jeff, waiting for your thoughts I love mine!
Transition relay has a very long wheel base. Doesn't seem to match his riding style (popping off things, manuals, wheelies and such).
@@georgedaswani9155 Jeff rides a Spire I believe which is very similar.
Any thought on the YT Decoy core 4 ?
Someday we'll all feel lucky to have an ebike option. Most of my rides are after work shorty's and hopefully your point is well received by the powers that be!
Jeff, what are the thigh pads you wear? I’ve been on the hunt for some goof thigh padded liners. And I agree, the Transition Relay is the deal. The best of both worlds and the most versatile lightweight e-bike yet! Try it.
Is there any reason the battery couldn’t be carried in your hydration pack, plugged in with a cord? Works with my helmet light.
Try the Whyte e160 and 180. Battery and center of gravity is very low and engine tilted back
Would love to see you ride the lapierre glp 2 or the new glp 3.
They have the battery directly over the motor and not in the downtube.
I agree. I hope specialise would sell a 400 watts battery for my full power levo. I will carry 2 or more in my van then swap when need it. Love your channel😂
If it's fun...I'm gonna do it. Mountain bikes are fun. E-MTB's are fun. Moto's are fun. Don't get why some people would want to limit their fun.
would be great a review of the transition replay. lighter weight and smaller battery. I assume eventually you could buy a spare battery from fazua
Where do you get your riding outfit from
At 69 the climbing is getting harder! I’m shopping for e-bike so I can get more DH!!
I think Jeff Steber is a genius and he draws some of the best geometries in mountain bike industry.
How much do you weigh? last i tested a kenevo sl it was harder to climb anything thats not a fireroad grade than my regular bike, at 180lbs. on the other hand a 85nm bike can go over anything. 60nm motors, depends, at my weight its borderline
I'm debating between a full power and an SL
I love EMTB because they make riding more accessible for many people.
You should try the Yamaha e-bike. It has a small 500 batterie and has 27.5 size tires. It also has 170mm of travel.
I'm surprised at how much you were able to ride the Rocky Emtb, my brother's was literally in and out of the shop on warranty repairs for the battery, motor, or controller all crapped out at one time or another.
Without the climb, the joy of the descent wouldn't be complete. These ebikes do look fun though.
How about two smaller batteries? One smaller battery down low on the down tube. One thin battery in the seat tube that the dropper post could slip over.
I don't think you are wrong. The only part that was left out was how much your own fitness plays into account. You ride all the time and can pedal a normal bike up 3k feet of climbing without dying. A lot of the rest of us aren't quite that fit :)
SLs are the way to go
Also. Majority of the racers are running smaller batteries.
I totally agree with what you said with the novelty of an ebike. They're exciting and novel at first, but after a while, they just arnt satisfying to ride. I spent a couple years swapping back and forth between a trek rail and a couple different pedal bikes. Just recently I decided to leave the ebike behind, and I really don't miss it at all.
but acoustic bikes are very punishing after inactivity periods
I like my 630wh battery, i have 2
Transition Relay is so hot...
But also so $$$
santa cruz heckler sl?
Would love to try one! Have not been able to get a media bike tho
@@JeffKendallWeed Ordering mine this week. Spent last week getting the build I wanted (38/dhx2,etc)
boost on fire roads. trail on trail. both useful.
Ebikes certainly help someone trying to get back into shape too. How much can you squat Jeff? I just want to hit 200 lbs by next season but I've got a loooooong way to go.
Congrats on your goal! I have never maxed out while squatting- but during the winters, I certainly do deadlifts and squat frequently
NorthShore Betty is 73 and she rides a non motorized peasant bike 😎
light ebike with removable battery... borrow your friends levo sl, remove the internal battery, attached the external battery, put the spare in your pack... no more dreaming mission accomplished
Depends on how they are used. Roosting them like a motorcycle will inevitably cause more trail erosion especially on climbs
You can't roost a Class 1 ebike.
Weird how the best riders and racers are adopting ebikes as part of the larger sport. Training DH, scoping new trails, doing recovery rides or just fitting in a fast ride. Ebikes are here to stay no matter how much the purists hate them.
We don't hate ebikes just ebike riders and their victimhood mentality of thinking everyone is always hating ebikes. I don't have to justify my bike you shouldn't have to either.
@MillerRL96 sensitive.
My issue is the name you guy come up for products. Acoustics is the science of sound. An acoustic guitar uses vibration from strings by moving air through essentially a box to make sound. Why not just say traditional bike? It doesn’t sound so corny for those of us that are musicians as well as riders. Lol😊
Haha "very vocal" such a nice diplomatic way of saying "elitist jerks"... Which is in itself also being diplomatic, let's be honest...