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This Indian Rhythm Will Help Your Odd Time Drumming (Sarah Thawer Lesson)
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When it comes to translating Indian percussive traditions onto the drum kit, Sarah Thawer is the guru! In this video, Sarah uses an odd time rhythm called the rupak to demonstrate the beauty of not accenting the one.
You’ll learn how you can integrate this type of rhythmic thinking into your drumming and how to feel odd time signatures differently (and possibly even more comfortably, depending on how your mind works).
Follow along with the lesson:
- Tala (or ‘taal’) is a rhythmic cycle.
- The rupak is Sarah’s favorite tala, and it’s broken down into 3-2-2 (or 3 then 4).
- Rather than always putting the emphasis on the 1 (common in western music) you accent it like so: one two three ONE two THREE four.
- You can vocalize this pattern with syllables: tin tin na DHIN na DHIN na (where the ‘dhin’ represents the lower-sounding drum of the tabla, a classical percussion instrument from the north of India). This can help you feel the music better.
- The first (unaccented) half of the cycle is ’empty’ (known as khali) and the second (accented) half of the cycle is ‘heavy’ (bhari). So the rupak rotates between khali and bhari.
- To translate tabla-based music onto the drum kit, you could assign the lower sound (DHIN) to the bass drum and the higher sounds to the snare and hi-hat. But there are no rules!
If this lesson got you thinking differently about rhythm, you’ll love Sarah’s course ‘Exploring Indian Grooves’, available for Drumeo members. Sign up for a 7-day trial here (drumeo.com/7-d...) and get access to Sarah’s lessons on Bhangra and Garba, plus hundreds of other courses, thousands of play-along songs and more!
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Wow
Great stuff.. Ever tried to get Trilok Gurtu on here?
The inserted adverts really reduced the quality of this clip.
@@whatilearnttoday5295 well, clip has to be paid for somehow
Don't tell me what to do!
No wonder why Danny Carey hypnotizes us with his drumming, he uses this Indian ryhtm all over the place and it's beautiful
My favorite food by far is Indian and I play the drums so hmm...I should work on this stuff :)
Absolutely and one of his Tabla teachers (and Indian music vocabulary instructor as a whole) was none other than the great
Aloke Dutta!
He was featured as a special guest on several shows throughout the 1998 "Third Leg" mini-tours, and you can hear all his wonderful Tabla playing in the "Salival" version of Pushit Live, it's all him handdrumming with Danny just doing cymbal work until he comes in with his kit and pads while Aloke is doing the crazy ten-finger solo Extravaganza!! 😊
Some of Danny's own Tabla playing is sampled into his Mandala pads as well!
@@LudwigSC93 - so, does the diarrhea come out while ur on the kit playing or after ur done?
Danny Carey was also inspired by african rythms he once said in an interview referring to the album Discipline by King Crimson.
@@Kartagoooo Danny Carey is influenced by everything because he is God.
She's a great teacher! She definitely has a natural talent for teaching along with her very obvious talent/passion for drumming. Absolutely great to witness!
Glad you like it, Justin!
Agree!
100 percent
Couldn't agree more 💯
Beyond Wonderful!
(Now I am wondering about The Beatles', [Harrison's] song "Within You/Without You" on Sgt. Pepper!)
I don't even drum. How did I end up here? Why am I learning about Rupak? Why is it so interesting? 25 years from now, someone will mention Rupak and I'll say "onetwothree ONE two ONE two" and they'll ask how I know, and I'll simply say, Sarah.
I play guitar and I love rhythms (percussion not rhythm guitar). Rhythm plays a big part for me in creating riffs. Sometimes playing exactly what the drums play (i.e.Van Halen/Pantera/Fear Factory) is pretty cool. Sometimes its different. World rhythms, if such a term exists, helps a great deal instead of just rhythms really familiar in the U.S. Opens up the pallets and creativity. Blessings all watching
This actually cracked me up 😂
This 😂😂
The tabla skin maybe from your past life? 😅😅😂😂
Guitarist here (drools in guitarist)
As I am watching this, my 40 years of drumming seems kinda dull. This is an amazing revelation in the rhythmic breakdown, of the syllables of this music. Wow!
Learn Konnakol and your drumming will change for ever. You are welcome.
You can find the tabla lessons on CZcams
Indian rhythms are unique in so many ways
Revelation ? Bro this is like 50,000 years old 🤣🤣😂😂😅
@@growlimitless2195 well it's a revelation to them, right?
It's rare to see someone this proficient at something AND be able to effectively teach it. Excellent percussionist! Bravo!
If ya know it. You can teach it bro. Count it or go home.
Yes!!! That's it. That's the real thing! Not only that she is a good teacher!! 😍😍
@@thomasrudder9639
theres a lot of techincally proficient people who suck at teaching, how is that not obvious
@@thomasrudder9639 that’s not how that works lol. knowing or being skilled in something does not mean you can convey that information to others effectively. i agree with the other commenter like how does that even need explained lmao
@@peen2804 you must be very skilled, or have been playing long.
DAAAAAAMN! This is an incredible lesson, like everyone else is saying, Sarah is a monster performer and completely clear instructor. Learned more about these complex rhythms in 7 minutes than ever.
Not complex- definitely simple.
@@spanqueluv9er extremely simple, but SO VERY effective at keeping time while doing syncopated fills, etc.
@@spanqueluv9er Complex does not necessarily mean difficult. Simple does not necessarily mean easy. It depends on the context.
In regard to rhythm, a complex rhythm can be easy to comprehend. You are wanting people to know that you find it easy to comprehend, but that doesn't detract from the nature of the rhythm being complex. It isn't just a straightforward time signature; there is a rhythm within that. That's what makes it a complex rhythm.
As someone who's been learning Hindustani Classical Music for more than 10 years, I am glad to see Indian rhythmic ideas getting the recognition they deserve. A lot of Indian folk music is written in 7/4, but somehow the Rupak taal *feels* very evenly divided, and so those folk songs don't seem like they've been written in odd signatures.
One other concept from Hindustani music I'd like to see expanded upon is the practice of 'thah', and 'dugun', which basically means double-time, however it is tackled differently (with the help of math) in Hindustani music.
I'm an European who's for long been playing advanced bhajan in odd signatures on European instruments, except for the tablas, so I'm delighted to see the interest to approach music in the Indian way to be increasing. It puts the mind into a different gear and state.
Classic Teri Bindiya Re song based on the same😊 and many more..Remind a lot of such semi calssics
Most of this is funk jazz fills.😂😂😂😂
I don’t even play drums, but I found this very exciting and hypnotising to watch. She even got me to tap along on the desk, such a joy to see her play and teach!
wow, she is an excellent and energetic teacher. I could follow her explanations perfectly. I loved how she would sing the words as she showed us how to feel the rhythm. But now my brain hurts! I will be trying this for sure. Thank you Drumeo.
i felt the same.
So glad to hear it, Sean!
Lol the singing words is a way how Indian drummer coaches teach when I used to be in India that's how they do it
She’s such a boss! I love it! So confident and enthusiastic. A great teacher!
As a tap dancer, the rhythm ROCKS. It's great to have the Khali as the ball tap (shuffles and wings) and the Bhali as the heel tap (stomps, heels, and knocks). Thank you thank you thank you!
"Rupaka thaalam" (as it is said in Tamil) is my favourite to play in Mridangam :)
The intro sounded like my first lesson in Mridangam
"Theem kitu thaka thim thinna
Thim Thim kidathaka thim thinna
Thomna kittu thaka thim thinna
Thim kidathaka thim, kida thaka thakathimi"
Indians who dont even play any instrument and dont even know Tamil know what you mean.
Rupak is in 7, Rupaka (notation above) is in 6
@@SayendenSupramaniyams Interesting.. 7 is Mishram (as taught to me).
Correct, but my point is Rupak (what Sarah is playing above), is in 7-matra cycle
@@harihb The notation above seems 5 beats cycle. But, in north Indian classical rupak is 7 beats "tin tin na, dhi na dhi na"
Sarah Thawer is one of my favourite drummers. Not only is she a beast around the kit but she always shows you how much she loves to drum, an easy thing to forget to do while you're playing. It really helps with the performanceand is something I really need to learn how to do.
Awesome!
Sarah is a powerhouse. I love her playing. So much energy.
best drum faces in the game!
You can see her passion...You can feel her energy and enthusiasm. I'm not drummer...but she makes everything so clear and understandable even for someone like me. This is the amazing indian culture. What a wonderful musician is Sarah Thawer.
I don’t even play drums but I’m so drawn to how magnetic her teaching is.
Even as a bass player I got so much out of this! It also confirmed my instincts to not always be counting, but feel the movement of the beat. Thank you so much!
yeah the movement is called "chalan" in north-indian percussion - literally means style of walking - you can imagine even if there are 7 beats in rupak tala, it has a its unique style of walking, its own unique movement, it owns unique "chalan".
On one of the Ravi Shankar albums I have, Ravi verbally breaks down the rhythms before each raga. It’s a good learning tool.
What album? I want to check it out!
@@skateforzero357 same!!
@@skateforzero357 I think it’s call “Three Ragas.” I’ll have to check when I get home (I’m at work). I’ll edit this post or create another response with the album title.
@@ThrashRebel Have you got home yet?
@@seanonel man's been kidnapped.
I don’t even play the drums still can’t stop “following” this lesson. Amazing drum skills and energy. Love.
Holy crap she’s so good! Hype but instructive, incredible rhythm and sharp as a knife. Also like that she doesn’t go too overboard on the basics but like “you’re doing odd signatures; here’s some easier ways to conceptualize it, but don’t expect a way for a beginner to hop in on”.
SO MUCH BHAVA! Dhanyavad! You're so didactic, Sarah. Indian music is so deep and you made it easy to understand (not easy to play, though). Greetings from Brazilian hindu 🙏🕉🔱
Greetings from Canada!
For real, I love your energy, it’s the easiest to learn when the teacher is actually passionate about the subject
That jagged swung beat at 8:30 ish is amazing. Such a wonderful instructor!!!!
Sarah is an excellent teacher and she leads with her own love of the Taala. Her excitement is viral. It will take over the audience. Good Job Sarah! We need more.
I love her style i love her spacing and her attitude while playing very authentic!!!!
I gotta say, I stopped everything to watch this. An absolutely captivating instruction and performance. I’ve recently had an itch to get a small kit together again for fun. This will be the first exercise I dive into! Thanks for introducing me to this, Sarah! 🙏
Yesss!
This is amazing she is seriously bad ass!! And one thing I have found lately is if you want to learn how to do odd times or even poly rhythms get with Indian style or even samba style drumming. Her kit sounds so awesome and love her playing and thought process
You're a drummer and percussionist...one does not always beget the other. REALLY impressive.
There is such a beautiful, hypnotic flow to that beat. Then Sarah blasts out some incredible improvisation around it, demonstrating what a virtuoso she is.. fantastic video and it's great to see lessons on rhythms from diverse cultures and traditions being promoted. There's a whole world of rhythmic possibilities out there so let's hear more 😁
Thank you! “I’m supposed to be teaching and I’ve already started playing.” She is wise indeed. A great teacher. Her passion and enthusiasm is tooth-sinkable.
I really believe this is the best tutorial clip of a drumming style in all of CZcams.
She's so great as a communicator and drummer, absolute monster
This blew my mind. I'd worked in 7/4 before, but had no clue what I was doing. This is so chill capable, the accents on the 4 and 6 are nice, no matter how you choose to look at the subdivision. I could totally see a Koan Sound type tune with a Rupak type beat
Loved this! As someone who is trained in Tabla, I could swear that it really helps to incorporate Indian Rhythm elements while playing odd time signatures. Whatever little drumming I manage to do, I can thanks to my Tabla playing. Oh and BTW Rupak is my favourite Taal :) Every drummer must try to learn the Tabla, it is a beautiful instrument.
Agree
Hypnotic performance! Anytime I think of Rupak taal, I automatically think of 'Teri bindiya re' song from the film 'Abhimaan'. Another popular song from the same film in the same taal is 'Tere mere milan ki'.
I don't play drums but am hypnotized by her voice, percussive wording, and drumming. So good.
I also started playing drums by learning tabla and then I taught myself drum kit when I was older - think it's so important to think about drums as what it is really is, percussion!
So true 👏
same
That beat is extremely pleasant to hear and feel. It feels light and airy with its flow.
Her muscle memories for all those rhythm patterns, beats, and nuances are awesome. Her sense of style, beats, and everything is soaked into her very core. She is it.
I heard the jazz drummers, from my dad’s vinyl, from 1957, when I awoke, and absorb. My family, musical, seeming natchal, I played drums on everything.
I became a string inst./ guitarist, at 10, yet, because I 💜loved, listening. I adore great drummers, with my mind.
This video couldn’t be better. I ‘ve never heard or seen a musician exemplify, this, though I believed, that I knew it did exist. No-one, has ever shown me that master class. 💨..and here it is👈🏽💋
What an amazing westernised version of an age old Indian rhythm! Kudos 🙌🏼
It's very interesting fact that this drum pattern was exactly mentioned as "Devr-i Hindi" on Anatolian traditional music theoretics. And even the reverse of the same was mentioned as "Devr-i Turan". Hindi means Indian and the Turan means Turkic. I was always confused about that theoretical knowledge. So, it was Rupak.. Thanks for fantastic performance and explaining 💛
Indian music is intricate, for me at least, I had no idea RUPAK could be played on a drum kit🙄you took it to a different level, I have great regard for you, and a brand new respect for Indian music, thank you🙏🏻
Wowzzy! I am loving this! Your energy is amazing I love your explanations and EXPRESSIONS! Retired Montessori Teacher over 40 years! How beautiful you are! I’m sharing with my grandchildren ~ wonderful!!! Merci 🌻
You are A M A Z I N G!!!!! Loved you right from the start. I was told "If you can not 'sing' the drumbeat, you will never reach the next level".
I really liked the opening "teaser" on this one. Those first 5 secs I was lost and thought this would be way over my head. Just 3 mins in and she's got to the part that was teased, and it totally makes sense. Not only was the teacher fantastic in explaining, but it happened quickly. That teaser is still fresh in your head and you can have this great "ah-ha" moment that I just did.
That was bad ass. There's a Ravi Shankar album where he demonstrates different Indian time signatures and it's enough to make you go cross-eyed. This was a really clear instruction and such a cool performance.
Can you pls tell me what the album is called
@@Bonnzillaa I think it was the first track on "The Spirit of India"
@@IronJohn755 thx I'll check it out, cheers
I absolutely love how knowledgable this teacher is. Awesome lesson!
It is interesting for me to hear this rhythm as a musician from the Balkans. These beats probably found their way to us with the migration of Roma people from Northern India in the late middle ages..Particularly drummers from Bulgaria, Macedonia & South Serbia would be comfortable playing these rhythms..Check out Piacho Ivanov for example.
Exactly. Right observation.
Do you have a link to something by piacho ivanov? I tried to have a look but confused searching!
Wow this is an AWESOME lesson! She really explained it very clearly and went through some really insightful examples to make it more tangible. Thank you!!
Cheers, Anthony!
Sarah, I salute you for your respect towards the Hindustani Music, and the Tabla, which you complimented with your Drum very well.
Saw this first on a smart TV, felt compelled to come over to the PC to comment. Master class level video, Sarah - not only do you ground the fundamentals in a clear, concise manner, you also bring flair and excitement to your demos.
I'll be walking around the rest of the day with this rhythm in my head - and that's a GOOD thing!
Gotta say it, and with all respect, your talent is only surpassed by your beauty, thank you!
Sarah's energy is infectious. She LOVES what she's doing and she has figured out how to articulate that and give that same passion to us at home. She's also top-tier talented both on the kit and behind the mic. You can tell a lot of thought went into how to teach the Rupak Taal, and how to play around with it. Giving us the tools we need to not only understand the roots and basis of the rhythm, but to be able to internalize it so that we can improvise around it. This is the secret sauce that other drummers keep to themselves!
Listening to her in-depth and relatable teaching style, it’s makes sense that she’s a monster drummer. I’m a fan 🙌🏾
This is by far the most unique music lesson I have ever heard. The first time I watched it, I was super intrigued but had a hard time grasping it. The second, third and subsequent watches, I got a little bit more. What is so engaging is the unique metronome used to demonstrate this technique in addition to Sarah’s examples. It’s a wild introduction into a foreign concept in Western circles (odd time signatures) but Sarah makes it work!
Oh my god I’ve been following this girl for years on Instagram, that’s amazing
You can clearly see how natural her playing is, it's really a mind flow, which is why it's great!
Sarah has the enthusiasm that'd make even people who hate drums follow along and love it. I happen to love drums and this is amazing.
Having two parents and being exposed to ALL kinds of music at a young age, I shoehorned the tabla as only played on...well, a tabla. This is "mind blown" virtuosity! Thank you!
How not to love Sarah Thawer ?! amazing teacher and outstanding drummer, keep up, Sarah!
Her playing is only matched by her teaching skills. Amazing, my favorite guest on this channel
What a great lesson! And holy crap, Sarah is a BEAST.
I`m smiling with all my heart!
Sitting here with my morning coffe and air drumming at the same time!
Absolutely brilliant 💞
I'm just a guitar player but I loved this. She's a great teacher and player.
Same here. I love learning how players of different instruments think and write, helps gives me different perspective and ideas. Someone who influenced this for me was Justin Lowe of After The Burial. He was a drummer before transitioning to guitar and has said that the rhythmic mindset of drumming was a main influence of his guitar style as opposed to writing your typical guitar parts.
Man, this is fantastic. I love to play in seven and this has a whole new feel to that time signature. Great lesson and great drumming :)
So, is that also known as 7/8 time?
@@andytay5507 yes :) But depending on how you count it out, the groove can feel quite different.
@@Danishdrums I see. Thanks for explaining.
Hi Sarah, I am a tabla player, and want to congratulate you for how beautifully you have conveyed Rupak Taal on the Drums to us. Lovely..
Unbelievable. Relating to 7/8 in a new way while also basically having built in melodic phrasing? Man I need a drumset.
Eastern rhythms are so interesting. Much less even numbers and much more odds. Adds so much flavor to life.
I'm a guitar player who always looks to other instruments for inspiration..thank you Sarah for such a fascinating video, I was totally enthralled, you are awesome!!!!!
Holy crap this is an actual masters class.
Amazing teaching, I got involved immediately.
Sarah is amazing! Absolutely loved this lesson. It demystified Indian rhythms which I never tried diving into because the syllables intimidated me. She makes this so clear, and also so freakin' cool. Thanks!
Great energy in this, lots of passion for the style and great explanations too. The physicality of your presentation really helps the learning :)
Fascinating. Thank you !
I’ve always had a natural affinity for “feeling” odd-time rhythms. When you stop thinking “1 2 3 4 5 6 SEVEN…” and start feeling the natural pulse, you become able to navigate through it comfortably. LOVE IT. By the way, that fast “tigatigatigatigatiga-BOP” you do with your mouth is pretty awesome. I can’t do that LOL
Thanks again.
Sarah is so fun to watch and learn from. What an awesome teacher!
i have tried playing rhythms in 7 many time and done a passable job counting, but it was not until i watched this that i felt it. thank you 🙏
She put her heart and bones into this video. Outstanding. Love the enthusiasm.
One of the reasons Indian music is cool is because of the drums so this is a pretty cool video.
I'm excited every time I see Sarah drumming)it's kinda magical.Her sticking blow my mind.
Just one word: Wow!
You truly understand Indian rhythmic patterns. Roopak-and it should be spelt thus-is pretty alien to the western earlier, and you have done wonders with it. This is the first time that I have heard 'thekas' on the drums.
Having learnt (Indian) classical music for six years, I understand. And I am saying that you are very good. God bless.
What a beast on the drums. Thank you, Sarah!
Such a great energy. She really does make a great teacher. And her flow is just ... damn. Such a solid, technical drummer.
I could listen to Sarah Thawer play all day long. Her creativity and musicality is boundless.
Some of the coolest grooves I’ve heard in a long time. I’m a fan!
This is so full of joy! 💕 Had to laugh all the time because of this is feeling so alive 💃Thank you, Sarah 🌺👑
This is very useful to anyone really wanting to learn any type of rhythmic 7/8 stuff. plus she is really fun to watch.
Man she is awesome. Great drummer and teacher.
jeeeeeeez..i lost my mind when she went into the drunken styled beat. I am so glad i watched this. Will definetly take this knowledge with me in my next studiotime 👏👏👏 superinterresting
she is insanely good, amazing feel and chops
Anyone else hearing Stewart Copeland when Sarah plays this? Great instruction!
Ms. Thawer (is) rhythm! Her purity of passion is inspiring. I dig the new perspective in my mind!
Absolutely love this. Brain is melting with the concept of alternating 1/3 and 4/4 which intuitively should sound like 7/8 which can feel rhythmically off. But based on where the down beats fall it just feels and sounds naturally beautiful.
As a drummer I have always been fascinated with Indian music and how a lot of it isnt even "written" in the western traditional (I guess Italian) sense.
I also owned a pair of tabla for about 2 years before they were stolen from me. I tried learning and heard that it can take more than a lifetime to master and that each drum has like 12 sounds each.
There are many teachers available online teaching Indian music.....you can approach them. You can certainly learn to play good tabla in 4-5 years and learn bol...may not be comparable to legends like Zakir Hussain. Learning tabla bols can significantly improve your understanding of rhythms and you can learn other instruments easily.
6 months is all it took me to be able to play for songs as an accompaniment
It depends on finger dexterity
@@juventus6728 Learning to play is one thing. To master it and to become one with the instrument takes a lifetime
@@sriramiyer4612 absolutely agree
Thanks! That was so cool. I can't play drums but I love my drum machines, and I will enjoy the challenge of trying to recreate this.
OMG 👏 👏 👏 time signatures are difficult to learn but she makes it easier to understand. Once you get the feel you're half way there. Great emphasis on this point. Some player 🥁
feel and no doubt
So you're Daney Carey's mystery teacher! (Just realized that I'm not the first one here to make the connection.)
This is fantastic Sarah! Please continue showing us more....there are so many great lessons here!
What a dynamic teacher! And I love new words to count by...especially with the richer meanings behind them to guide the flavor of what's being counted. This is going to take a couple more views for me to digest...
Wow! I needed that. I'm working on a song in 13/8 and was trying to find the soul of it. You got soul. Amazing, Thank you!
She's just amazing, wonderfully explained and played!
I just discovered you. You are an amazing teacher. Thanks to you, I finally understand the roopak taal and can identify the sounds, beats, etc. and pick up the beat from anywhere. Thank you!!!