How To Ride Downhill On A Cross Country Bike | XC Bike Descending Skills
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Cross country mountain bikes typically sacrifice some descending ability in favour of more speed and acceleration on the flat and uphill. Nevertheless, Rich has some top tips to help you tackle the descents faster on your XC MTB!
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Do you want to see more cross country content?
Yes please. More XC gnar💪
Cleatsssssss pllsss
I mean clipless
You have to balance in between ,xc,down hill,enduro
Not always XC
XC Galore! :)
'I got a little bit loose at times'. Not in those shorts you didn't, Rich...
xD
Yes please!! More XC videos and tips. We see enough Downhill ones. Thanks
This video brought me back to GMBN. I stopped watching after countless videos of presenters just doing moderately difficult stuff around the woods. It was neither extreme riding nor regular mountain biking. It was mostly mucking about or lap times. This video above isn't great, but I'll stick around if they'll be doing more XC content, particularly if it covers the 'epic long ride' element of XC rather than the 'how fast can I blast through my local woods' element, which is already covered by a lot of their 'trail riding' content.
If you're looking for other youtube XC content, I can recommend BKXC, if you like first-person camera.
Much more fun, do it all the time. I remember when DH bikes only had 100mm travel
I still have a 100mm Dh bike.
@MARK JONES 🤣😅🤣 in it just, I only got my first suss forks about 5 years ago, swear I used to be quicker
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look it
@@Bruno-ts9ph some nice riding bru👍
@@joshiboy31 thanks
Even as a seasoned xc racer who is pretty fast on the downhills, I changed to a dropper post this season and it has transformed my riding, and taken it to a whole new level, even If I am not that much faster, it helps me recover on the downhills and be fresher for the uphills.
The whole video I wanted him to lower the seat
The problem is that in a race,u can’t stop and lower the seat, so I learn to deal with it
i never lower my seat i just ride it and overcome it
Oh for God sake you weight weenies just get a dropper post, probably do your lower back a favor long term too
Lexus Stefan it’s not only because of the weight it’s also about the stability
Nadav Stein Yeah but the posture is too much agresive, the seat is literally in his chest. Having the opportunity to change it to a dropper post and have a better posture is the right choice
Boy do I need this....I've been riding my XC bike for 2 months while my Enduro is in the shop. I had 3 crashes this weekend....perfect timing....well, actually this is 2 months late
I love the crashes....they are the best parts in your videos....
Your bikes been in service for 2 months!? Usually only takes 1-2 weeks
@@ellislowry6646 That was the plan. They had the shock at the beginning of last week, but they could not install it. If I didn't have a service plan with them, I'd find another shop.
You can descend on just about anything when the seat is all the way down. Makes a HUGE difference!!
Oh that brings back memories. Can you do another run old school with 560mm handlebars, 135mm stem, 60mm travel on the front and nothing on the rear? And yes, rim brakes only of course. What do you think? Challenge accepted?
that's the bike i have now.........
@@Isaac-yb4jr Me too.
Cantilever brakes please when you make this video
+1
Dylan All 4 fingers on the brake lever. Barely enough for at least not getting faster.
Skill, line choice, precision, experience, and skill...
I've ridden several major trails on a full-suspension XC bike without a dropper like the Barr Trail off Pikes Peak Colorado, Ribbon Trail in Grand Junction, the Whole Enchilada in Moab, and the Tahoe Rim trail. I started mountain biking in the early 90's when there were no such thing as a dropper post and had cantilever brakes. My XC now is better than what most DH bikes were back then.
I live in Trinidad and Tobago and although I have not ridden all the trails, it does seem from the ones I have, that we are more into XC riding.
Under biking is always fun, even XC courses on a gravel bike
I just love fast light XC bikes, really good for training. My is the Track Supercaliber and as a motorcycle rider all I want is speed up and down the trails.
Could have called this: “How to ride downhill like it’s 1990.” Lol
LOL......I was thinking the same thing. I still ride my '87 Jamis Dakota this way; seat in the stomach. But now also have a more modern Jamis Dakar Sport, and have been wondering if I should step into the modern world and get a dropper.
ToddM do it man. Droppers are the greatest invention for increasing the fun of riding ever. And they make descending safer too. - PNW Rainier weighs 575 g. A Raceface Next Carbon is 250 g. That’s 325 g or .71 lbs difference of non-rotation, sprung weight, which is not as bad as adding rotational or unsprung weight. Unless you’re an elite racer who counts every g of their bike and body where that matters, IMO the weight gain is worth it.
ToddM my first ride was a Mongoose Hilltopper in 1990. Upgraded to XT everything soon as I could afford to after my first race. Hit Moab on that rig. Got a Santa Cruz Bronson in 2018 after getting back into in after 15 year layoff. If you ever bmx’d back in the 80s you gotta demo one of these new slack, like 150mm travel bikes. They allow you to play like on a bmx yet climb and pedal all day like a mountain bike.
@@dadventuretv2538 Thanks for the advice. I'm 57 and an avid distance/trail runner, training year round on the same trails I've started riding. I have a pretty strong climbing game, so I'm not concerned about the weight of components. First upgrade on this bike was to get rid of the SPD clipless pedals (after trying them out for a couple weeks) and go to FiveTens and flat pedals. That alone transformed the experience for me. I can see where a dropper would be a cool trick.
ToddM sweet- so cool you can still run in your late 50s. I used to love trail running but it has pretty much come to an end for me as of a couple years ago. I think 25 years of Rugby and other abuse and the multiple injuries and surgeries have finally started to catch up to me now in my late 40s. I got tired of something always hurting during every run. Lol. Luckily mtb’ing doesn’t bother me. I’m with you on flats- flats all the way. Flats and a dropper = hella fun on the trail. Feel like you’re 15 again!! 🤘
Aww man- I just saw your channel- some great vids but Im most jelly about Rim to Rim run. I hiked it (north to south, stayed at Phanton Ranch) and was hoping to run it in a day, but that dream is over. Still thinking of a fast hike in a day sometime. We’ll see. Being on the east coast I have to plan to get out there which with work is just an added complication. I’ll have to check out some of your other vids- they look cool. Keep up the great work.
I do all my DH on a Scott Scale 740 and I love it. I must confess though, I run Minion DHF & DHR II, dropper, 25mm rise bars, 60mm stem, 180mm f disc & metal pads on single pots.... all this keeps me honest on the trails
Make video on "is todays xc bike the 90's DH bike?" There might be a lot of similarities.
Wasn't that long ago dh's had 100mm up front, got it too easy now
No hang on... I have a downhill frame with forks on it with 180mm up front and 200mm at the rear.
From 1995.
I don't even think my Claud Butler CBR 1000 has anywhere close to a 100 mm of travel on the front forks. used to have two seats for it as you cant drop the seat due to the frame set up. A modern XC bike will run rings around it. I bought the old girl in 1998. After 22 years I am thinking it may be time to upgrade it for something nice and new.
Alternatively they could do one, is a modern geo gravel bike(think Salsa Cutthroat with or with out the optional 80-100mm sus option) a late 90-early 00s XC bike?
You need some guts to do those down hill sections without a dropper. I'm so addicted to dropper posts at this point that I would almost put it on my trekking bike as well. And it's all GMBN's fault of course as I had no idea they existed before (thank you!).
As somebody said long ago: I'd rather take an hard tail with dropper than full sus with a rigid post
I was waiding so long on such a xc video thx
@@leroibrewis1859 ばーか
Thank you so much for showing (finally) an XC orientated video without using a dropper post.
Ud be off your head to leave your seat up doing downhill, or have no baws. Dropper post for £20 off amazon fitted to my xc for downhill
I chose a hardtail but with dropper post
I chose a cheap ass seat post clamp because I'm broke hahah
@@Iuripiotrowskidarosa cool bike you got though, where are you from?
No dropper and lycra shorts is fine and works. No dropper and loose trail shorts doesnt work as the crotch can catch much easier on the back of the saddle!
Good tip!
Even worse with a saddle that has a V-shape on the back. One way ticket only.
Try again with a cross country hardtail next time...
doesn't change that (!) much...
doesn't change that (!) much...
@@georgetreduen4502 100mm of rear travel changes A LOT.
@@georgetreduen4502it makes a massive difference try a double dimond on one and compare it to a duel Sus I bet you will change your mind😂
I have both. On a typical XC trail, honestly... it doesn't make a huge difference. Yeah, the full sus is smoother over the rough and handles rock gardens a bit better. But, the hardtail really isn't all that much worse. Now, if you're talking double black diamond technical stuff... why would you want to ride an XC bike there? Do you drive a Ferrari on an OHV trail? Use the right tool for the job.
Thanks for the video! More XC content will be truly appreciated!
I do this a lot of times as i only have a xc, its freaking scary all the time but i live through it every time.
Another top vid Rich. I love the XC content. Ive never run a dropper and unless you're downhilling i still dont feel its necessary. Keep em coming!
Cool video for learning., thanks GMBN 👍🏼👍🏼
When I do stuff like that on my 100mm hard tail
My 100mm hardtail is a jack of all trades, mainly because it's all I've got so it has to be xD Pray to the days of getting a full squish
When I do stuff like that on my 100mm hard tail because that is what my budget affords me
Me too, my budget Specialized Rockhopper 29er lol
I have a 26"×1.90 wheels on my 2010 hardtail with a 80mm entry level... Guys I went through hell with that bike. It needs more attention and focus but we can have a lot of fun even on an hardtail!
@@brandonandkrissy10 That what I have 2019 Turquoise with yellow letters.
*XC gang where r you ???*
Here
Here xc love
XC 4 LIFE!!!!
Here!
Yeah!
Just ride and let's rock n' roll...miles away!! Greetings from XC rider Kuala Lumpur.
I don’t have a dropper post on my XC bike and hit my jewels on a spicy section recently... yep, I’m saving for the upgrade now.
These Shorts
Please My Eyes
Have Mercy
Your skill is the beast
Amazing video, thanx for the tips! Going to do a shorts upgrade, more dynamic. Every little helps. 🤗.......👀
Fought the idea of a dropper for years. A fixated clavical and unreal medical bill changed all that. Amazing how fast you can turn with wimpy xc tires when you lower the center of gravity and weight on that outside pedal. I'll take the weight all day long!
Sorry you had to learn the hard way!
Oh it's beautiful bike,great vid, thx
Down country bike....
Trek Suoerfly fs ai elite, 100mm travel fron/ rear, 2.4 xr3(new)...fox doss dropper post...Handles every thing...love it
How to descend on a XC bike:
Lower the saddle or use a dropper post
There, all you need to know
Me, an XC racer: seat post: E L E V A T E
Nope, sorry. Descending is only a small part of the overall ride, usually. On the flats and climbs the seat post height can make a PROFOUND difference in whether you keep your speed on the flats, make it up the climb, or run out of steam and your legs start on fire. I find that even a fraction of an inch in saddle height can make a big, big difference. Honestly, I keep the seat as high as is reasonable (just on the verge of rocking hips when peddling). You get so much better power and leverage on the uphills. It's a trade-off, really. Yeah, the seat way up is going to make the downhills uncomfortable sometimes, but with practice, you get used to it. Besides, (depending on the course) speed on the flats and extra leverage in the climbs cuts times more than a bit faster descents. At least for me and the trails I ride. But then, I do lots of trails with tons of pretty steep, extended uphills and swooshy not too technical downhills most of the time. I don't ride XC bikes on double black diamonds--that's not what they are designed to do. That's for a DH or trail bike.
Ngl I needed this! Was planning to go to my local trails and ride them with the seatpost on the optimal height since I always put them a bit lower for the trails 😅
More videos on tips on how to ride XC or without dropper posts please!!!
Update: ended up lowering my seatpost just because i didn't feel confident with my handling skills 😅
Guess it's time for me to say goodbye to casually racing XC in the future 🤣
Could have used this video about 18 years ago before I had my bad crash in a cross country race...and a dropper post...which wasn't around yet.
Amazing. Ive got a hard tail no dropper trail bike that I hesitate to hit gnarly descents because of the seat but maybe I just need to send it!
Put it down manually, trust me. It really helps
Get a dropper. Youll never look back. Best thing since disc brakes
Feel pretty happy descending on my XC bike, but I have the bars about the same height as the saddle so I don't get the OTB feeling too much (do on my gravel bike though!).
Yeah baby!! GMBN are doing xc videos again. IMHO for way too long it was enduro, jumps and shredding. Give us more on riding xc and short tavel bikes. More for the riders who keep their wheels on the ground.
Good video, can't see myself ever wanting to use a dropped post on my xc and more xc content if poss lease
Thanks for this video, it was very helpful.. Please teach us in XC:
how to use front and rear brake..
How to climb..
How to choose a better line to pass a rockgarden..
and finally.. Which skills on the bike do you have to develop for practice XC?
Regards from Chile 🇨🇱👍
Last weekend at an XC race, part of the DH course was used... LUCKILY, I rode a dual crown down the said trail for two weeks before the race. It was because of that, I won the expert class with my descending skills and knowledge of the course. From one end of the spectrum (DH) to the other (XC).
Point is....remember to stay well rounded out there guys! Making fun of his spandex and XC when these guys could probably rip your face off going DH too!
always up for some XC content, the area in this video reminds of some trail sections in Afan, resurrection and stage 4 comes to mind.
That's coz it is :)
Love xc, its the best🤟
The only dropping here is Rich dropping all the other riders with his seat proudly waving high!
Love the barzo mezcal combo, the best I ever ran.
MORE XC CONTENT PLEASE!
Cool video Rich, helpful tips as always 👍😎
Glad to help!
Thanks. Please. Please. Please. More down hill & additional skills on a cross country. I'm not buying another bike unless I break my cross country. I don't want to break my cross country. Take care & thanks again.
my downhill solution...quick release seat post. Slam it at the top and go. I can still sit and pedal well enough no weight penalty, yeah I have to stop and put it down and up but I am often climbing up a mountain road and back down and if it is just short transitions I will just leave it up (or down as it may be)
Even with experience youve highlighted line choice is so difficult to gauge. I've ridden my regular route lots and have had to pass someone off-line and found it quicker or even lately at night with the lights its made me see different lines I'm amazed i never rode that line before..its not always the obvious line thats the fastest. Experiment with them. Cheers for the vid wish they were longer
Using the dropper you can lower your saddle an inch or two in winding single track, giving you lower center of gravity and better handling.
My old XC bikes could have done the trails I do comfortably but I feel so much more confident with the geometry on my trail bike. And I'm really bad at riding so need that boost
Forget the content, just listening to that hub is enough to satisfy me!
jajaja so good video love the jumptrail! now feel motivated what gest me going the longest while bike is delta parole or other rokk music!
Finally, more XC!
I like that helmet, looks cool from the side!
Double suspension are more or less meant to descend at least better than a hardtail, so next time would ve interesting to see you with a hardtail 😋
Pfft. I can't afford two mountain bikes, so I'll always use my hardtail XC on downhillss, and its GLORIOUS!
love the video boys
XC DH( gravity mtb)
75% power & endurance 30% power & endurance
25% mtb skill 70% mtb skill
Hardtail next please for real XC!
Great video!
Hardtail for extra difficulty 🙃
I have gone on extreme dowhill with a giant talon 3 2018
i'll take more XC!
Got spoiled on my xc carbon hardball vs my full sus carbon enduro. Im riding my xc more! Majoriy of trails within 1 hr is xc/all mountain..
You're giving me PTSD of my XC days when I did downhill tech on my Trek Procaliber. 😆
I used a Merida big nine 600 with the geo of a roadie! It's terrifying
I now ride a specialized epic with the full trail geo setup
My friend snapped his procaliber 9.8 by over rotating on a wheelie
Sorin Vladu They are that fragile ?
@@sebastiankmec472 They are decently strong, but once it gets even a hairline fracture, they can easily break. I've had my Scott scale 910 (carbon hardtail) for almost a year now and its been great. So, yes they can take a beating, but as soon as the slightest fracture is made, its terribly unsafe to ride.
The music saids everything 😂
When he said Downhill I thought he meant "Downhill". Not just an xc route that goes down a hill.
It would have made more sense if 'downhill' wasn't capitalised. "Downhill" = the sport of riding fast down hills. "downhill" = going down a hill.
Generally, you don't ride a Downhill race course on an XC bike....
@@christocr Unless you're making an entertaining youtube video...
@@christocr I come from Holland and ride a hard tail. On vacation in Germany, Austria and Italy this is what I have. And I get down most of trails faster and safer then lots of full DH bike riders.
it would be interesting to see a dropper v no dropper comparison - weight penalty v speed gain on descending - I think the benefits of a dropper is bigger than than the weight penalty
Alright, for all the xc people out there. Does the weight of a dropper actually matter? Like do you feel it on your climbs? A riding buddy of mine who is a xc racer literally just broke his carbon seatpost downhilling a local flow trail when he landed a jump. Still won't take a dropper because of weight. I am legit curious if the weight is worth being comfortable and fast on the descents.
I would argue that the weight doesn't matter on the climbs because ya'll are fit as hell. And no matter good you are on the bike, a dropper will make you more comfortable and flat out faster coming down.
No, he's talking rubbish.
On the first rides with a dropper post, long climbs and poor fitness you will note the weight. However it doesn't matter after a few rides and de benefits are much more than the weight penalty
Weight matters but to be honest there is no need for a dropper especially on XC rides.
Been riding XC the last 20years.. never had a dropper post... u just need to shift yr weight behind yr seat when going downhill.. no traction needed on the front wheel.
You get used to high posting it so it’s no big deal and it’s about 2lbs lighter without a dropper and going up hills you can definitely feel it
Tried this today. Had a dropper but didn't use it. No. Thanks. Although i did force me to use a different line on my regular tracks.
Yes please
It sure is sketchy as hell but I don't know, there's something really fun about having your saddle touch your stomach while you're going downhill
Nice BG music!
Only bike I could afford was a XC hardtail with no dropper. I found, that any bike is good enough if you're a good enough rider. I did some idiotic jumps, which this bike was deff not designed for, holds up just fine.
Hello great vid
I don’t have a dropper post so I lower my seat manually before I start the downhill sections 😱
Yesterday Nino ran a solid seat post at the first round of the World Cup xc yesterday.....discuss !
Didn't he once say that if he had a dropper on his bike he would be worried by how aggressive he would be able to be on it and he may not get it to the finish line in one piece! So effectively, he likes racing with a static post to 'hold him back'
Global Mountain Bike Network He certainly did, it’s like he knows what he’s on about 😉
XC all the way
Did some Back Contry XC to on a Hardtail boy am I tired lol.
Oh, those tight bike shorts.. I see it! :3
first gcn prs. that's not afraid to wear a shammy xc 4lifee 👍🤣
Hi. I am 180cm Tall and Legs 86cm. Which size to choose??? Canyon calculator says M. But i have Grand Canyon CF SL 2015 and i have size L. Help
A new DHXC saddle design that lets you superman down the hill on your abdomen.
A year ago I got into mountainbiking. Bought a 100mm hardtail, now I'm looking for an all-mountain, because these trails I ride wear down my bike too much.
Well... I have an very simple 29 XC bike and a 26 downhill bike.
I really suggest to you guys, try an DH bike... The difference is night and day.
EVERYTHING aside pedaling or climbing is wayyyyy better on dh bike.
Wonder if I can apply this to a gravel bike
Any input on this POC helmet?
🔥XC🔥
What’s make and spec is the helmet pls 👍🏻
I see the wheels are 24", what size is the frame 13", 14", or 15"
You got your braking the wrong way around. You should be using 70-80% front and 20-30% rear. By applying more front brake you actually have much more traction on your front wheel because of the force planting your wheel into the trail. Your rear brake is used just before you enter the corner only and softly otherwise you lose too much momentum. The only time you going to go over the bars is not from when you brake on your front brake, but when you hit a ditch or an obstacle your wheel can’t clear, like a large rock or tree for example.
#AskGMBNTech I have just purchased a 2019 GT force from 2019 and it is running the rockshox lyric in the front with about 45 to 50 psi in, when I put it up to about 30% sag which is what I like running it does not go allow the way back up to its full travel when I compress it and I need to yank it up for it to go up, I am about 90 pounds is this just because of my weight and that the rockshox lyric uses little pressure or is it something wrong with the fork?
There is not much wrong with that, that is exactly how it is supposed to be. In comparison look at a dirt bike. The sag is huge but that is how your wheel keeps contact with the ground when your wheel gets to a hole.
XC bikes are cute.
Wow! "Line Choice" must be really important since it it shown twice. (@3:41 and @ 4:47) As a teacher, I always found the best way to find my typos was to run off 150 copies of a test and then hand it out. Somebody will find your mental woopsie within 13.7 microseconds. I am now happily retired and don't miss having anyone (other than my wife) point out my idiocies.