Wonder Woman's Son HATES Her?
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Wonder Woman a staple at DC Comics for decades. She has fought alongside the Justice League and the rest of the Trinity, Superman and Batman. Over the years some stories have hypothesised what this Amazon would be like as a mother. One such instance was in the rebirth era. The storyline Legacy gave her a son named Hunter Prince. Just how did being exposed to the Amazons of Themyscira alter his development? Why does he have such rage towards Diana Prince? Is the idea of Wonder Woman having a son an interesting concept? We discuss here on Casually Comics!
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Would you want to see more of Hunter Prince?
no. he can stay away
Yeah I'm interested in seeing him and trinity hanging out
Yes, he is cool
I think he could be interesting if you tied him to a different aspect of Greek Mythology than Diana. Maybe he's an ally to minor deities or fights for the Titans to try and bring down Zeus and the new pantheon? Just so long as he doesn't turn into a Kratos knockoff.
Only in a book where all of Wonder Woman's children and sidekicks are made to battle each other by Zeus and his pantheon. Fury, Hunter, Trinity, Yara Flor, Wonder Girl, Donna Troy, Hyperman, and many more.
I think the idea of Wonder Woman having a son is much more interesting than her having a daughter. Like, it opens the gate for a much more unique dynamic than Batman and Superman had with thier childern, cause they have father figures who can show them how to deal with boys, not so much with Diana who will have to learn how to be not just a mother, but mother of a boy who isn't welcomed by her own society, him being different, not like her. It can show how actually wise and strong she is, cause she can deal with tough and complex situations like this.
I was just about to say this!! Wonderful opportunity here for some good drama
exactly! bats and super having daughters, wouldn't really make much difference for how they raise them, but WW having a son is a way more interesting concept in all the manners, both emotionally complex like the aspect of the amazons reacting to him, or in more soft commical ways with diana dealing with just raising a boy, she has many dude friends, but raising one is a whole different deal
For added conflict, how about male and female twins. One technically inherits everything while the other...
@@billyhills9933 and Hyppolita was the one who separated them, giving out the boy to some god probably.
@@KnucklesxReala911 and it would be cool and funny if he grows up and bcomes stronger and manlier than both Superman and Batman's sons)
I mean, it kind of stands to reason that a woman who grew up on an island of all-women and only daughters would not really know how to be a good mom to a son. That's a much more interesting and challenging idea than her having a daughter.
Grew up In a society that hates men no less. On the bright side at least she usually learns better when meeting Batman and Superman so she kinda has the head start of getting better.
No way Diana would’ve named her son “Hunter” 💀
It's a cool name
@@JohnMinehan-lx9ts People can have duplicate names. Surely you've noticed than by now. John. :)
No
@@kingofdragons7with so many Greek names she could have picked from she went with Hunter? Not even just Greek, other pantheons, ancient cultures, old lovers or friends and she picks Hunter?
@@BingBingTheClown because it's a cool name
I like the idea of Wonder Woman having both a son and daughter. It presents the angle of her maybe treating one better than the other (her son, because she's fascinated by the concept of raising one or she overcompensates for potential feelings of favouritism towards his sister making both feel insufficient or develop a level of jealousy/resentment towards each other; or her daughter succumbing to biases about how much nurturing boys need and treating him like the grown men she knows-who take on more than they should-or just not relating to him and stepping back in his upbringing to focus on the training of both kids, but adding an additional layer of pampering with her daughter that she would have liked to receive specifically from her mother and inadvertently making her son feel like an aside).
This could manifest with them as twins or an older sibling & younger sibling dynamic where having a girl then a boy introduces a drastic shake up in their lives, or having a girl second and her son having to reconcile with him being an anomaly and Wonder Woman-or her sisters-acting drastically different with his sister's birth.
Then there's just what kind of man he would be raised to be. What I've noticed of the the ladies of Themiscyra is that most iterations view men as violent and destructive, so there is a likelihood that he would be raised less like a warrior and more like a pacifist, maybe even a healer (possibly receiving blessings for his endeavors in the field). With him having an added layer of unwarranted guilt of what he 'could become' or a fear of being drawn in by it. And his sister fully embracing her warrior upbringing and acting as either a protector or antagonizer (in an effort to get him to grow a spine/defend himself with what skills he did learn).
Stop being a sissy , the zeus will whoop her a$$ if she mistreats him .
It would definitively be very interesting to explore those family dynamics… like the son feeling resentful and neglected by a mother who prioritizes her daughter, or him struggling with his relationship with his own masculinity in a society that teaches him that men are inherently violent… like even if he was allowed in themyscira, would that have messed him up psychologically? Would that have led to Diana confronting the flaws of her society?
A trans son would also be very interesting. Would the Amazons be for example disgusted at him, seeing him as an “abomination” bc he was expected to be the next Wonder Woman but he is instead a man?
This tragic parents vs children comic reminds a lot of the tragic story of Joel, Superman's son in the Trilogy "Elseworlds: Generations". For those who don't know, Joel was born without powers due to his mother being exposed to kryptonite during her pregnancy. Although he doesn't care at first, the UltraHumanite finds and brainwashes him by "revealing" that Clark took his powers on purpose in order to prevent the child from rebelling against him, causing the boy to develop an enormous hatred for his family. Finally, Joel, wearing the Lex Luthor suit, and Ultra-Humanite crash his sister Kara's wedding to Batman's son and brutally murders her and Lois. After fulfilling his revenge, Joel begins to feel guilty, but before he can do anything, he is killed by the Ultra-Humanite. A truly tragic life
That is almost an unnecessarily Dark Story
I have been expecting a version of this since the Superman & Lois series began. No OTHER reason to make one son non-powered.
The concept of a Super Kid becoming disappointed with Superman and turning to/getting indoctrinated by Lex Luthor and going around in Luthor merch is very interesting though
@@Solo_Sessums It's actually kinda dark at times, but overall is a fun story with great respect for both Batman and Superman.
Edit: That reality also had president Hal Jordan, which is glorious in various degrees.
@@uranuslad9855 There are plenty of other reasons besides the most obvious, cliched trope ever...
Out of all of Diana’a future children, he’s my favorite. The idea of Wonder Woman having a male child on its own is an interesting idea but the concept of she abandoning him for whatever reason and he having a grudge against her for it it’s really interesting. I’m no expert on Wonder Woman and her stories but even I know that’s something hard to expect from her. It’s an interesting concept. It kind helps see that all heroes even her aren’t perfect gods, but just people who make mistakes and can be overwhelm by certain situations. There’s so much that can be done with that theme; maybe he could be raise only on paradise island or exclusively anywhere else, he could become a hero to prove his worth or a villain if he gives up on himself. They could even give him a sister to showcase how different he is from other Amazons by how different everyone treats them. Maybe they could even do that cliché story where there’s a prophecy of Diana having an evil offspring then years later something happens and everyone thinks he’s responsible just because he’s a man but at the end it was his sister who was evil for whatever reason. When it comes to how the other Amazons would react to the idea or the fact that someone like Hunter exist can be very different depending on the continuity, I would like that within the island they all have different opinions and some maybe had to pretend to like or hate him to keep appearance. I personally like that neither Steve or Clark are the father. It would be a good twist if the father was just a normal man. I’m not talking about a one nightstand with a stranger but maybe a new character or a friend from her civilian identity and they agree to keep him as a secret out of fear of what the Amazons would do if they find out.
Hell, after learning of this amazing and much more interesting idea of Wonder Woman having a son gave me an interesting story idea.
Just pull a Finding Nemo on the two where her son either taken or gets lost across the universe shortly after the two of them got into either a fight or something where their relationship was getting very strain with the son being around 11-12 years old. Having WW going through a LONG journey trying to find him while dealing with what she did, regrets and thoughts she wish could take back and facing real fears of possibly never finding her kid ever again or finding him dead like any parent would most definitely have.
And vice versa with her son on his own journey of just trying to get back home, but gets caught with all sorts life changing shenanigans the universe has to offer while going through self discovery as a person, finding a reason if he ever matters in the first place, thinking self doubt if his mom would be better off not finding him if that would make her happy, learning to control his powers on his own and learn to be happy with himself.
Cliches aren’t really that bad, repetitive yes, but it’s the execution of that cliche matters.
Hunter has a ton of potential especially if they were to make him a long lost sibling of one of Diana’s Daughters. Giving both characters a mirror to look at themselves in.
It could open up an interesting exploration of fanatically Dogmatic Ideologies like the Amazons’ particularly in relation to gender politics. Tackling the question of becoming an exact mirror of the oppression they built their ideology in response to.
I like the concept of Hunter Prince but don’t think they did enough with it. I would also probably use the new Daughter of Diana as his counterpart because it could give her a lot of depth by making her question the bad bitch, boss babe thing she has going on and steering away from the telling instead of showing approach to illustrating her strength.
And I don’t mean to propose this as a criticism of feminism at all but as a critique of fanaticism.
Yes! I was thinking he would be the twin brother of Lyta/Fury from the Silver age or Trinity. Trinity may be a new and unlikable character, but she still has potential if someone else wrote her and changed her personality.
It's fine to critique feminism. Critique can help to grow a concept and evolve into something better than it was.
What feminism ? Wonder woman only exists because of Zeus , he can rip her apart , if she crosses the red line .
@@Cateater123ok random answer
And no
Current wonder woman especially would be able to fight back
@@Superlad945 zeus is a man the other are females , they are weak .
I suspect the Big Bad of that story was supposed to be Wonder Woman herself. But they chickened out at the last minute and made Hippolyta the baddie.
Ah, they pulled another Monarch
I'll never get over the Monarch. That was the nail in my comics collecting coffin.
3:06 It would make sense for Jason to be Cassie Sandsmark’s younger brother instead of Diana’s twin brother because they’re both the children of Zeus who has an interesting childhood, adolescence, and adulthood.
I completely agree!
Is Cassie Sandsmark the child of Zeus again? It's hard to keep track
@@chrisbashaw9963 She’s the daughter of Zeus as shown in Dark Crisis: Young Justice, but she’s also the granddaughter of Zeus as shown in Bendis’ Young Justice and Joelle Jones’ Wonder Girl.
@@joshuaingobo1559 okay but isn't that a little bit confusing?
@@chrisbashaw9963 Yes. Just assume that Cassie remembered that she’s the pre-Flashpoint daughter and post-Flashpoint granddaughter of Zeus, in which the pre-Flashpoint daughter of Zeus thing is true while the post-Flashpoint granddaughter of Zeus thing is false.
Feel like him being born from the Darkness and Wonderwomen actually did love him was a comp out from having to deal with a complex issue about Amazon culture. Whenever things are clunky, it is usually editorial involvement or aborted storyline due to backlash.
My feelings exactly. Takes all the wind out of the story
I wonder is this the same darkness we've been seeing with pre-dawn of DC? If so this might make this way a little bit more interesting
I want a video on Jason/the sons of Themiscyra because I’ve always thought the idea interesting but from what I’ve seen the fan backlash was strong and the implementation of the idea of male amazons was messy and could’ve been written better, but I think Hunter could have been a fun character to play with if only for a little longer. Not that Wonder Woman’s children ever stick around for long, i.e. the original Fury
it would be a great to have the male only tribe from greek mythology in dc
But they allow a trans-woman on the island even though he’s a man
@@ektran4205 They already exist in Greek myth and DC canon: Gargareans.
...well they exists when DC isn't pushing Amazons = man-hating feminazis.
@@saiyanarmy9345 she is a woman she came from the well of souls if I remember the name. If she was a “man” why wouldn’t any other man come on the island that way?
@@fotiskogias3764 because it wasn’t like that before this stupid retcon. The well of souls were for WOMEN who died horrible death. Not for men. I’m pretty sure the well was able to tell which one was a woman.
Ever since SuperSons happened I always kind of wanted to see Diana get a kid she'd be a good mom plus I think giving her a son in main canon would lead to interesting plots a daughter I understand most people would prefer her to have I just think a son would be more interesting plus we never had a real Wonder Boy so a new hero name get used.
And of course the conflict of how would the other Amazons react to the Princess raising a boy and the sons feelings about not being able to know his heritage if they go with he can't ever visit the island.
Or maybe it's a mix some Amazons are okay with it but maybe some aren't and one becomes a villain thinking Diana betrayed their ways.
Or maybe he was raised in the island for some reason and deal with what happens when she takes him off the island and maybe there's a bigger reason for why he was kept there for like first 10 or so years of his life .
Many ways you can do it
Plus a SuperSons trio that's a Jr Trinity sounds fun :3
I remember this plot. It was SO fanfic-y lol.
Also the fact this particular writer was trying hard to push the Jessica Cruz and Barry ship. But by the time this came out, Barry literally just got back together with Iris at that point in his own series. Because of that, it was so obvious that none of these "legacy characters" will stick around after this whole plot ends. So it was hard to give a shit about any of them.
It’s strange for Barry Allen Flash and Jessica Cruz Green Lantern (at least on Earth-One/New Earth/Prime Earth) to have three kids, even though during this time Barry Allen was in a romantic relationship with Iris West during Joshua Williamson’s Flash run, and both of them were active as heroes 57 years in real-time (or 30 years in sliding time) and two generations apart.
In my headcanon, it makes sense that Jessica Cruz would have a crush on Bart Allen (who became the Flash in 2011 post-Flashpoint) during this time because she thought that he was cute and that she grew up seeing him doing something during his Impulse and Kid Flash years long before she and Bart became friends (just like Alan Scott and Jay Garrick; Hal Jordan, John Stewart, Guy Gardner, and Barry Allen; Kyle Rayner and Wally West; Jenni-Lynn Hayden, Todd Rice, and Jesse Chambers; Simon Baz, Jessica Cruz, Jo Mullien, and Bart Allen; and Kelly Quintela, Tai Pham, Jai and Irey West, and Ace West).
This would mean that by Dawn of DC in 2023, Barry Allen would be 60 years old (but looks 44 years old because of the Speed Force) married to Iris West with twins born in the 30th Century, Bart Allen would be 34 years old (but looks 22 years old) married to Carol Bucklen with a son named Maxwell Jason “Max” Allen, and Jessica Cruz would be in her late-20s or early-30s being active as a Green Lantern.
As someone who has read Wonder Woman comics since I was thirteen, Diana would never abandon her child if she had one. As for the Amazons, how they react would depend on which Amazons they are. The golden age Amazons would accept her having a son, but would need to petition the gods for him to be allowed on the island. The post crisis Amazons would be mixed half of them would accept it, while the other half would fear the change a male child would bring to the lives they've grown accustomed to. In one of Perez's earlies Wonder Woman stories, she meets the Bana Mightdall Amazons who are portrayed as straw feminists, while the Themysciran Amazons are presented as being opened to having men on the island and joining the outside world again. The New 52 Amazons would not accept Diana having a male child. Their reaction to Diana having a male child just depends on which version of the Amazons are used in the story.
I love his design! They should bring his character back and make him Trinity's twin. They should also change his name and have Steve Trevor be the father. Though they should change his name to one of a greek heroes
I think Trinity's younger brother is more interesting. Trinity can be jealous of her little brother needing more attention because he's younger.
The son doesnt need to live in that weak sissy island anyways lmao , there are better protectors like Superman , Shazam outside . And not to forget his grandpa is zeus who will absolutely terrorize the Amazon's if they mess with the boy
To be realistic she'd go away and raise him by herself
Exactly how the Amazons would react depends on which version they are.
With this storyline I had two big questions:
1. Why is his last name Prince?
2. What were they thinking on pairing Jessica with Barry?
1. It’s because Wonder Woman took on the identity of Diana Prince.
2. Maybe it’s because they want to romantically pair a Green Lantern with a Flash because DC thought it was cute and I think that DC wants to continue with Jessica Cruz having a crush on Barry Allen Flash (even though Barry is married to, or by Rebirth dating, Iris West).
Because Wonder Woman name is Diana Prince
2- She is a female. He isnt Batman or Superman.
@@ghostrouxinol6169 Yeah, probably the same reason that the pre-Crisis JLoA had Zatanna and the Flash being almost a couple. (And then in the JLA/JSA crossovoers, there was the weird Power Girl and Firestorm flirtation too, because you've gotta pair up all the women folk.)
@@Gabe600
Her name is Diana of Themyscira
Prince is a fake name she hasn't used for a while now.
Why would she name her child with her fake name?
Damn, looks like Amazons cannot have a happy maternity, as it can also be seen with Donna Troy's son, Robert, who was at first destined to become in the future an ultra-powerful tyrant named Lord Chaos. Because of this, a group of Teen Titans from the future travel to the past to kill Donna before her child is born. Finally, Donna convinces them to let her live on the condition that she get rid of her powers, so her child is born as a common mortal. Sadly, Robert dies in a horrible car accident a few months after his birth.
Imagine if it wasn't an accident and the future TT just didn't trust her not to do something
I was about to comment on how similar these two storylines are. The team's amazon having a male son who is destined to become the avatar for this evil entity, and a team from the future comes to stop it. Do you think Robert's story is what inspired Hunter?
I remember that! It was so sad. It's like there is a curse to keep Amazons from having or being able to raise male children
The Amazons' attitudes towards men has varied a lot more than you're giving them credit for. They got over their issues with men during the Perez run (which was due in no small part to years of misogynistic attacks and propaganda) and no one had an issue with Donna having a son. Also, that bit about the Amazons discarding children into slavery was retconned by the Rucka run so Hunter's belief Diana abandoned him shouldn't even be something she believes.
That is good to hear
Thank you, Mr. Rucka for that! And yeah.... during at least one run they recognized a man as an Amazon himself.
It is sad that Amazons = man-hating is still dominating WW conversations despite the movie.
@@ivansobubblehead It's because the prevailing canon and Amazon concept is bigger the the ww character.
The popular motion of the Amazon is larger then the character and it's both diametrically opposed to the idea of a balance and cooperation between the sexes and openly hostile to the opposite sex and members of their own sex who disagree with them.
An Amazon for peace and tolerance is like a Nazi for racial harmony.
@@ivansobubbleheadAlexander the great was known for decimating an entire village of women who were claimed to be Amazonians and capable of beating men .
Accepting a speedster called Cruise is a... Mission Impossible...
(Someone had to say it)
I like the context of immortal Amazons. (Meaning they don’t age, and come from antiquity, not that they can’t be killed in battle.) In that version of the Wonder Woman tale, the idea of Hunter changes dramatically. He’d be only the second child, after Diana, and the first to challenge the matriarchy of Themiscyra.The Amazons likely banish Diana, but I think she raises the boy in her new world, and never lets on about her family’s betrayal. Teenagers are not subtle people, so when Hunter finally learns why he’s never seen his homeland, he blames the one person trying to protect him: his mom. Superman could talk to Diana about her choice (or Batman, uncomfortably) and recap how she made it. Then Hunter falls in with a bad crowd, or smokes a space doobie or something, and the two really clash. Diana ultimately decides to stand up for her son, convincing her people that the best way to change man’s world from this thing that they hate is to teach the next generation how to be better. Hunter still only gets to visit, though-for training…
Since you mentioned what hearing something brings randomly to your mind, I must say that hearing about wonder woman giving her son to be raised by someone else, I immediately thought of Xena who gave her son to centaurs to raise and protect him. Let's be honest Xena was clearly modelled after wonder woman even if she didn't have super powers and it was made clear by the show that she wasn't an Amazon. That doesn't mean of course that it isn't one of my favourite series and I will be forever grateful to Sam Raimi for producing. Others appreciate him for "evil dead", others for "Spiderman", me for "Xena the warrior Princess"😅
I personally thought Hunter prince was a really interesting character in my opinion and seeing him reuniting with Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as a little 10 year old self was so cute and calling him his brother was super cute and adorable. :)
I like the idea of the Amazons raising Hunter to be this ideal male from the perception of their culture: and sending him out into the world as an ambassador of sort.
That could work.
I like the idea for Wonderwoman having a son I just don't know if I'm to into this take on it.
Same. I love his design though
I don't really agree with the overall idea of the sons of Themiscyra as a whole, ditto with the boys being thrown into the sea after being borrn. It potrays the supposedly enlightened culture that shaped Diana's values as not merely flawed, but monstrous and barbaric. Sure, flaws and hypocrisy is one thing, but murdering babies or throwing newborns to slavery.... these are not sins that can be forgiven.
The idea of Wonder Woman having to raise a son is an interesting idea though. And if Trinity stays around, they can possibly play with sibling dynamics by having him be the younger one. But we need to see her raising him playing out. Not being told by an already adult son from the future. No, let us see Diana dealing with this as it happens. Let us see the choice she makes when he is born. How she handles raising him.
Out of topic but given that Amazons are inmortal it would be funny if in one of these "Justice League from the future" stories the legacy character for Wonder Woman was Diana herself. She just never retires and is just there vibing with John and Damian
Ugh I forgot about the awful SoT. Love Jason, wish he was visited more. Hunter is 10/10. I wish this was more explored about her having a son. Let's get a WonderFam!
I do like the conflict inherit in Wonder Woman having a son. If they do go this route, I like it explored strongly and have Diana make a choice regarding Amazons. Rejecting her people, sacrificing heritage for her progeny, would make Diana all the more heroic.
I've always wanted to see her have a son and to see it tackle the Amazon belief system.
I think Wonder Woman having a son over a daughter is better, it leads to more interesting topics.
Would Diana fight for her son to have a place with the Amazons? Would she leave the Amazons only returning if 100% needed?
I think it opens up more stories that can be told. Unlike with a daughter, I feel like there is no challenge there. Unless the daughter is a Trans Man (Born Female), that I feel would open up so many interesting ideas. How would Amazon Treat them? how would Wonder Woman react? I think it would be a really interesting story if they do want to go down the Wonder Woman has a child storyline.
Love the concept of hunter. I really wish they didn't go the "The Darkness is why she abandoned you" thing. I would have preferred one of three things:
1. Amazonian society, being what it is, meant that she wasn't allowed to raise or have any contact at all with her son. And, even though she didn't want to, as a leader of the Amazons, she was pressured to hold to that standard and so abandoned him.
2. Having been raised as an Amazon, Diana abandoned him without a second thought because doing such things is *so ingrained* into her culture that she never thought to question it. You know, like how a lot of problematic stuff in cultures often go unquestioned because no one stops to think about it. Then, when confronted by Hunter about the damage she caused because of this (her son grew up feeling unloved and unwanted, and as a result not only hates her, but himself), Diana works to repair the damage she caused and both she and Hunter become better for it.
3. Some combination of the two.
I think idea 1 is good for maybe a one-off story because "I was forced to give you up, but it destroyed me inside" would make the interpersonal issues easier to resolve in a shorter format. Meanwhile, idea 2 can't be as easily patched up like that and those wounds would take time to fix.
Sort of reminds me of this…
“My parents *hated* me.”
“No, they *loved* you. So much that sending you away broke them.”
-actual dialogue from a kids movie.
Lots of Wonder Woman content lately I see! You should review Kelly Sue’s Wonder Woman Historia: The Amazons next if you have time ❤️
Yes please!!!
After hearing Sasha talk about the Darkness, I want to see her do videos about Jackie Estacado. Man, I really loved The Darkness comics and video games.
My experience is mostly from the games and Wikipedia so if Sasha decided to do videos on The Darkness I wouldn't complain lol
It would be nice to bring {Hunter} back he does have 'massive potential'... But also they probably needs to retcon his origin for fitting todays storytelling.
And a name change
I love you going through wonder woman’s children, would love to see you talk about her golden age child
Are we going to talk about how Green Lantern Simon "I'm a car thief not a terrorist!" Baz was told by one of Cruz's Lantern kids that he ends up leading the Yellow Lanterns after he killed Sinestro? The accused terrorist ends up leading the a fear based Lanterns... Couldn't have just had him off world for an arc instead of that...
Oh no that could sound super bad.
I would like to see DC explore Wonder Woman's children, because of her magical nature depending on her origin there could be any number of offspring from clone science to magic. Just the idea of twins with the boy forced on labor island and the girl growing up on warrior island would be interesting.
I never liked the idea of a female character being forced into having a baby by some magic force against her will. I wish he would have had an actual father
Diana's son could lead to an interesting civil war on Themyscira.
Also, as to son v daughter for Diana.
I normally hate the cop-out storyline of twins one girl, one boy, but this is one exception where that particular dynamic would be a deep well to draw from storywise. Imho
Relate to my boy Hunter,my mom was not an amazon but she really made me feel unwanted!
3:56 i love thst hunter is wearing supermans cape to like honour the lan who raised him. Thats sick
4:27
Jessica and Barry make a pretty cute and underrated shipping, actually. I bet Hal's reaction while these two together is basically: "I THOUGHT WHAT WE HAD WAS SPECIAL, BARRY!!!" 😢
Maybe but thanks to time travel we already know that Barry and Iris end up together because Impulse is a thing
@@Gabe600 Impulse, XS, and the Tornado Twins became a thing as a result of Barry and Iris being together.
my main question is, did you get that mosquito? I would think it would be interesting for Diana to have a son, though does it have to be superpowered? with a super hero? What about Steve Trevor? A non-powered son would be intriguing....
I remember the plot in the pre nu-52 with the Amazons who went a little ...weak in the head because she wanted children. To combine this plot with male babies would be a very interesting concept to be used eventually.
Here is my version of the entire Wonder Woman Family on New Earth/Prime Earth.
1938: The Golden Age begins.
1940: The JSA was formed.
1941: Queen Hippolyta of Paradise Island arrived in Man’s World and made her debut as the first Wonder Woman. Helena Kosmotos made her debut as the first Fury. The Seven Soldiers of Victory were formed. The All-Star Squadron and Freedom Fighters were formed.
1942: Queen Hippolyta joined the JSA. The Young All-Stars were formed before they eventually became part of the All-Star Squadron.
1948: The Seven Soldiers of Victory were scattered throughout time.
1951: The JSA disbands. Queen Hippolyta returns to Paradise Island.
1953: All the Fawcett heroes were in suspended animation.
1956: The Freedom Fighters disband.
63 Years Ago: Diana and Nubia of Paradise Island were born from clay. Nubia was kidnapped by Mars.
50 Years Ago: Diana made her debut as the first Wonder Girl.
47 Years Ago: Hippolyta “Lyta” Trevor, the daughter of Helena Kosmotos, was born and raised by Joan Dale and Derek Trevor.
46 Years Ago: Donna Hinckley was born.
44 Years Ago: Steve Trevor crash landed on Paradise Island, causing Diana to arrive on Man’s World, graduate as the second Wonder Woman, and took on the identity of Diana Prince. Diana saved Donna Hickley from a burning apartment building, causing [Donna] to be sent to Paradise Island to be raised by Queen Hippolyta.
38 Years Ago: The Silver Age begins.
36 Years Ago: The JLA was formed.
34 Years Ago: Flash of Two Worlds.
33 Years Ago: The JSA came out of retirement and have their first team up with the JLA. Donna Hinckley made her debut as the second Wonder Girl. The Teen Titans were formed. Cassie Sandsmark was born.
32 Years Ago: Paradise Island disappears after Diana gave up her powers, causing Diana to leave the JLA and move to NYC. Donna Hinckley took on the identity of Donna Troy.
31 Years Ago: The JLA and JSA rescue the Seven Soldiers of Victory. Paradise Island reappears. Diana regains her powers and meets Nubia. The Teen Titans disband. All the Fawcett heroes returned from suspended animation.
30 Years Ago: Nubia moved back to Paradise Island. Kara Zor-El was adopted by Queen Hippolyta. The Freedom Fighters were reformed and teamed up with the JLA and the JSA. The Twelve Labors. Diana rejoins the JLA.
29 Years Ago: The Teen Titans were reformed. The JLA, JSA, and Squadron of Justice team up to defeat King Kull.
28 Years Ago: The Teen Titans disband again. Diana has her first team-up with Donna Hinckley. Orana of Paradise Island made her debut as the third Wonder Woman before she died. Diana moved back to DC. The New Teen Titans were formed. Judgment in Infinity. Diana meets Lyta Trevor. Donna Hinckley learned of her origins. Lyta Trevor made her debut as the second Fury. Infinity Inc. was formed.
27 Years Ago: Donna Troy and Terry Long were married. The JLA disbands to form the Justice League Detroit.
26 Years Ago: Crisis On Infinite Earths. Diana and Steve Trevor were married before Diana was killed by the Anti-Monitor. Hippolyta Trevor graduated as the fourth Wonder Woman. The JSA was sent to Limbo.
25 Years Ago: Legends. Diana was resurrected with her memories intact and revealed her identity to the world. Diana and Steve Trevor moved to Boston. The Justice League Detroit disband to form the JLI.
24 Years Ago: Millennium.
23 Years Ago: Yara Flor was born. Lyta Trevor and Hector Hall were married. Infinity Inc was disbanded. The New Teen Titans graduated as the New Titans. Donna Hinckley graduated as Troia. The JLE was formed. Invasion!
21 Years Ago: Daniel Hall was born. War of the Gods. Armageddon 2001. The JSA returned from Limbo. Robbie Long was born. Eclipso: The Darkness Within.
20 Years Ago: Bloodlines. Hippolyta Milton was born. Donna Hinckley graduated as a Darkstar. Zero Hour. The JSA disbands again. Artemis of the Bana-Mighdall made her debut as the fifth Wonder Woman.
19 Years Ago: Artemis was killed. Diana and Steve Trevor moved to Gateway City. Underworld Unleashed. Lizzie Trevor, daughter of Diana and Steve Trevor, was born. Daniel Hall made his debut as the fourth Sandman. Artemis made her debut as Requiem and was resurrected. Cassie Sandsmark made her debut as the third Wonder Girl. The Final Night. The New Titans disband.
18 Years Ago: The JLA was reformed. Genesis. Donna Hinckley and Terry Long were divorced. Diana dies and becomes the Goddess of Truth, causing Queen Hippolyta to return as the first Wonder Woman. Day of Vengeance. Young Justice Was formed.
17 Years Ago: The JSA was reformed. Donna Hinckley graduated as Donna Troy. The Titans were reformed.
15 Years Ago: Our Worlds At War.
14 Years Ago: Cassie Sandsmark forms a romantic relationship with Conner Kent Superboy. The Titans and Young Justice disband to form the first-generation Young Titans.
13 Years Ago: Titans of Tomorrow. Identity Crisis.
12 Years Ago: Cassie Sandsmark learns that she is the daughter of Zeus. Infinite Crisis. Paradise Island disappears again. Hippolyta Milton was kidnapped and captured by Ares. The JLA disbands again. Hippolyta Trevor and Hector Hall disappeared. 52.
11 Years Ago: Donna Troy made her debut as the sixth Wonder Woman. One Year Later. The JLA has reformed again. Paradise Island returns again. The Titans reform again.
10 Years Ago: Final Crisis. The JSA All-Stars were formed. The Titans disband again. The JSA All-Stars disbanded to join the JSA. The Odyssey. Flashpoint. Cassie Sandsmark graduated as the third Fury. Young Justice was reformed. The Outlaws were formed. Robbie Long made his debut as Wonder Boy.
8 Years Ago: Forever Evil.
7 Years Ago: Multiversity.
6 Years Ago: Convergence. DCYou. Darkseid War.
5 Years Ago: Rebirth. Robbie Long graduated as Darkstar. The Titans have reformed again. Cassie Sandsmark found Hippolyta Milton, causing [Hippolyta] to graduate as the fourth Wonder Girl. Lizzie Trevor made her debut as Trinity. Artemis joined the Outlaws. The Supersons were formed. Peng Deilan made her debut as the Wonder Woman of China. The Justice League of China was formed.
4 Years Ago: Cassie Sandsmark found her brother Jason. Artemis formed a romantic relationship with Jason Todd Red Hood. Dark Nights: Metal.
3 Years Ago: Cassie Sandsmark and Conner Kent Superman were married. The Outlaws disband. Dark Nights: Death Metal. Diana sacrificed herself to save the world.
2 Years Ago: Infinite Frontier. Yara Flor arrived in Brazil. Nubia arrived at Man’s World and made her debut as the seventh Wonder Woman. Diana returned from ascension. The Lost Children (renamed the Young Society) returned.
1 Year Ago: Trial of the Amazons. Yara Flor graduated as the fifth Wonder Girl. Dark Crisis. Hippolyta Milton graduated as Lyta Wonder. Lazarus Planet. Lazarus Planet: Revenge of the Gods.
Now: Dawn of DC. Yara Flor graduated as Yara Flor. Hunter Kent, son of Conner Kent and Cassie Sandsmark, was born. Knight Terrors.
2 Years From Now: Time Crisis.
7 Years From Now: Secret Crisis.
10 Year From Now: Hunter Kent made his debut as the Super Wonder.
85271: The Wonder Woman of the 853rd century made her debut. The Justice Legion Alpha was formed.
My own values make me pretty biased on this. I'd be very interested in a story where Wonder Woman does have a son (with Steve Trevor or Superman as the possible candidates for his father) and is ostracized by Themyscira by refusing to give him up. So her position as their ambassador and champion in the outside world is questioned and another Amazon, possibly Nubia or Artemis, gets that role. This means Wonder Woman has to grapple with Motherhood and losing her culture's blessing.
Another interesting idea that would require a very delicate hand, would be if Wonder Woman had a biologically female baby, who was transgender and wanted to transition after growing up in Amazon culture. Now this sounds pretty fanficy and would be a hot potato to write, but I think the controversy and potential story of dealing with gender dysmorphia in a culture with such extreme gender roles could be interesting.
At this point I'm a little more interested in if they're going to introduce Trinty with a proper backstory.
I like the idea of Wonder Woman having a son who is transgender and how would that work in this world but I agree it would have to be a delicate hand to write it and let’s be honest people would hate it no matter how well it was done! Unfortunately! 😕
The ftm would be very intresting. I guess the Amazons would have no problem with being male-presenting. Wearing shorts, having short hair and taping down your breast would be okay since we saw Amazons do that too. I think the ftm-child Just cannot openly identify as male that is for sure, i guess WW would be heavly discourage him. Like you can dress however you want but use for the love of the gods she/her pronouns. Maybe instead of one side is right they can come to an understanding. Or the Amazons dont see transgenderism as a thing. Like you are born a woman and no matter what you do you will stay a woman. Idk which one would be better.
I’ve been having the same thought that the potential of exploring Wonder Woman with a trans child could be incredibly interesting!! While it would definitely needed to be handled with care, and there will no doubt be people who’d hate it regardless 😒, there’s absolutely a need to explore and challenge people’s understanding of transgender people in comics and a Wonder Woman story like that could be really set a unique precedent!
Please don't force that transgender bulshit with Wonder Woman because here's the thing it is an island for women in meaning biological women. The Amazons would murder that poor kid transgender or not they won't give a damn people see a man and they will cut his head off
@@notoriuscbecause it's awful and fanservice-y? Too much representation nowadays better stick that shit to indie where it belongs.
Loled at the side comment about the thirst for Miguel. It too also amuses me and I am here for it.
Actually I think a son would have been a more interesting character than Trinity. Tho it doesn't necessarily need to be Hunter.
Hunter would split Themyscira in two at best and I love it. Forcing the Amazons and Diana to have to deal with this part of themselves would be great, especially after Diana tried to integrate the male Amazons in New 52 and that went….. yeah. But like Jason Hunter is another interesting idea that no one wants to deal with so out he goes.
It is more interesting to me to see Diana with a son, Ivy too. See these people have to raise not the ideal child they wanted but the child they were dealt.
I haven't completely forgotten about the sons of the Amazons and how they go around to get pregnant. Which is why I feel bad for every single sailor man in the DC universe because that shit's fucked up.
6:25 If Hunter is the son of Steve Trevor, then it would’ve been interesting for Steve and Diana to raise Hunter, causing Hunter to live a happy life.
Right?! He even looked like a mix of Diana and Steve
Is there really no what if where Diana was born a boy?
I think it’s pretty central to her story that she’s fighting for equality both on and off the island.
Wonder woman should have fraternal twins. That would make it extra spicy. Angst of one being accepted and the other not bing would be good dramma
I like the idea of Hunter being raised by his biological father, Steve Trevor on an army base in the middle of America. He knows who his mother is and that she chose to continue as an Amazon rather than raise him. It was a difficult decision, but she felt a duty to her people and the world at large. Steve devoted his life to preparing his super powered son for life as a hero while Diana saw him when she could. But as time went on she was called on more and more until one day she visits and realizes that, due to her virtual immortality, she doesn’t recognize the passage of time like mortals do and it’s been years since she’s seen her son. Steve has developed cancer and is dying middle aged, but still retains the same love for Diana. Hunter resents her not just for himself, but for the hold she still has on his dad that Hunter thinks has kept him from moving on and being truly happy with someone else. Diana, desperate to make things right, tried to bring the Amazonian healing light to Steve, but they forbid her from doing so. She is forced to draw arms against her sisters and manages to get to Steve, with barely enough time to say goodbye. Due to her actions she is officially banished from her home, but since it was done as an act of love Aphrodite herself intervenes and gives Diana a task to complete to redeem herself. She asks Hunter’s forgiveness and they part ways. Eventually they cross paths again and, over time, they reconnect and start to develop a relationship. One day, she appears at Hunter’s home with a birthday present. It’s a date she never forgets, even if she forgets the year. Suddenly Aphrodite appears and says her task is complete. She had to prove to her son how much she loves him. She is allowed to go home, but decides to stay with Hunter and a pregnant Cruise. Since she was unable to be a good mother, she wants to try her hand at being a good grandmother.
Honestly I’d love them doing the idea again but with a different direction and not involve time travel as I think that makes it needlessly complicated for the goal
Hunter is such a interesting idea. I wish they’d done something different with him though. You list so many things they could’ve explored. Waste of opportunity really
The Darkness is an entity? Thank goodness. I thought you were talking about the rock band which would have made an even stranger story and possibly given Hunter a falsetto voice.
If Hunter Prince existed in the main DCU, then it would make sense for him to be the son of Conner Kent (who became the second Superman since 2011, or ten years before Dawn of DC, making him 35 years old by 2023) and Cassie Sandsmark (who became Earth-One’s first - or New Earth’s/Prime Earth’s third - Fury since 2011, or ten years before Dawn of DC, making her 33 years old by 2023) born this year. That way, we get to see him have a wonderful childhood, adolescence, and adulthood being raised by the practical brother of Clark Kent Superman and the great-aunt of Diana of Paradise Island Wonder Woman.
By the time he’s ten years old in 2033 (or ten years after Dawn of DC), Hunter would make his debut as the Super Wonder, making sure that with the combined powers of both his parents, he would use his powers to help people as much as he can.
That same year, his friends Maxwell Jason “Max” Allen (son of Bart Allen Flash and Carol Bucklen) and Alvin Drake, Jack Bruce Drake, and Barbara Cassandra “B.C.” Drake (children of Tim Drake Red Robin and Stephanie Brown Batgirl) would make their debut as Mercury, Cardinal, Gray Ghost, and Redbird; and they would all form the Superkids. They would all use their powers to help people and become a part of the next generation of heroes.
i would pay millions to see a story where diana raises hunter and he becomes “wonder boy” or something, thier dynamic would be so good and diana would be great in the “overprotective mommy” role haha
I like the name Cruise. I don't think it's 'fast' sounding but I think it's still connects to speed and I like the idea of a speedster who is more relaxed in using their power. I dunno if she's that way or not but the name has some fun potential.
I think WW having a son brings a more interesting dynamic than her having a daughter.
Can you do the comic book history of the white Canary and how she is different from the arrowverse
When they announced Chris Pine was returning for the Wonder Woman sequel, I thought he should play Diana's son. While any son conceived that night in the French village would almost be old enough for Social Security 1984, he would also be a vicus-god (i.e., 1/4 god) and could therefore be immortal. Granted, that would have made the romantic subplot awkward, even more, awkward than the way Diana and Steve just used a stranger's body for sex. But if they dropped the romance, I think they could have written a pretty cool script about Wonder Woman and her 1/2 as a wonderful son. Alternatively, Flash could have time traveled to the night Steve died and grabbed him just after he fired into the plane's cabin, but before he died. There would be no timeline issues (unless they wanted to create them) with that because it shouldn't affect the timeline prior to whenever the movie was set. But I still think Pine should have played a son that was the spitting image of James T. Kirk, err I mean Steve Trevor.
I think a story about Hunter being born can have interesting ramifications on Hippolyta’s character. Here me out, after seeing her grandson Hippolyta falls in love with him and decides the rules of Themyscira which causes a schism within the nation as a majority of the Amazons try to overthrow her. Both Wonder Woman and Hippolyta then have to go into hiding with the newborn Hunter, as Hippolyta has to reconcile with the murdering of all the male Amazon babies like her grandson which she is ultimately responsible for.
I too have aspecial fear of mosquitos
Cause every bite turns into a huge, irritating yellow bump
Really interesting concept that one can hope explored more in-depth.
definitely feels like a missed opportunity that they dont touch on how he would have been viewed or treated by the amazons
My thought about this character....if wonder woman was magic and made from clay (as one back story suggests) could she even have kids? If wonderwoman is the daughter of Ares and then has demigod powers- there is nothing to say those powers can be inherited..unless the father is also a demigod or metahuman...Hunter opens a huge can of crazyness for writers of the comic. I guess if we assume WonderWoman is a daughter of Ares, then as a demigod she could have kids- and letting Clark and Lois raise him seems more of an act of love then taking him to Ares to be raised by the god of war.
Well seeing that she can consume food, bleed and feel pain I assume she can also get pregnant as her body seems to just be that of streamlined superhuman like mother. Plus her mum wanted a daughter so I doubt her god would make her a bootleg baby.
Honestly Wonder Woman having a Son would be really interesting specifically due to how Themyscira views/ treats men. So I do think they could bring at the very least a similar character into the fray.
However I don’t foresee any realist situation where he “comes from a matriarchal society and views man’s world as disgusting and overly oppressive to women.” If anything I could see him viewing many arguments commonly touted by feminism as petty, because “male children born where I come from were either murdered immediately or sent to work at a labor camp. This wage gap you speak of is pathetic.”
Also wanted to add, Calling Themyscira Matriarchal might actually be giving them the benefit of the doubt. Matriarchal infers men are allowed to exist at all.
'I love you mum.'
'I love you son.'
'Thanks mum.'
'But...'
'What is it mum?'
'Seriously Hunter, go and shave your chin! That's not even close to being a goatee, is it?'
'Err...no mum. Yes mum. Right away mum.'
Had totally forgotten the character. But I can never forget Barry and Jessica. All your suggestions were interesting, so more could definitely be done with him.
This idea has potential
I could belive Diana would abandon her son due to traditions before leaving or very early after leaving the island. But after being in mans world and interacting with her friends and loved ones she made then the answer would be no. In fact if that was demanded of her by her mother after that point I don't think she would even hesitate to speak out against it. Just flat out take whatever consequence.
You're right, a son is just much more interesting thematically and dramatically than a daughter. Wish they'd leaned into it more.
“My parents *hated* me.”
No, they *loved* you. So much that sending you away broke them.”
-actual dialogue from a kids movie.
Sorry to bug ya man but what movie was it? Feels like i heard that quote before but can't find it
@@swaglevi4315Kong Fu Panda 2
Hitch's run was derailed because of Doomsday Clock. The whole darkness thing was supposed to tie into that. But because of massive delays it had to be reworked. Its why so much of the story is just "oh well, go with it."
Ah! Another Wonder Woman themed video! Great recap and commentary. I saw an ad once with Hunter in it. I wondered when this was coming out, but completely missed it. It did sound like an interesting concept that didn't get the full attention it deserved. Hunter had a good character design too.
I do like the fact that DC has more recently tried to retcon Themyscira to make the Amazons less like serial man killers but it still doesn’t sit right with me how misandristic they are when wonder woman is meant to be a symbol of love, compassion, and equality. I understand that it’s kind of difficult to portray a gender-dominant isolationist nation as not being sexist, but it feels kind of weird having a character who was originally created to push gender equality come from a sexist background where her sex is favored. It also feels kind of weird for her to push for gender equality in her home nation only to have it not go well for the same reason that she is meant to be a symbol of gender equality. I understand that the creator of Wonder Woman was more so a philogynist than he was a feminist but it doesn’t change the fact that gender equality was always at the core of the character.
I remember reading this comic when it came out!
I honestly think that giving wonder woman a son versus a daughter is far more compelling given the, lets face it we don't want to say it but they are, racist nature of the Amazons. The Amazon's tends to be one of the rare cases in fiction where such a society is typically not made to face their own prejudice, or at least rarely. Even the Wonder Woman movies conveniently ignores that aspect of their society and instead chooses to celebrate that they are an all female society which honestly not only wouldn't work in reality but doesn't even work in fiction. Giving her a daughter is little more than feeding into that same mentality. Giving her a son would finally force her to realize just how bigoted she herself and her society is. Its one thing when the broken kids are someone else's, its another thing when they are yours.
Made a great point. I feel like no one ever seems to point out and criticize how straight-up sexist the Amazons are even just conceptually. Or at least not without tossing out a bunch of excuses that try to justify why, when *they* are being bigots, it's OK and they're the heroes.
I agree wonder woman can really be able to sympathise about how unfair her society is now that the person facing the discrimination is her son.
The only "child of Wonder Woman" I consider legitimate or even care about is Lyta Trevor-Hall/Fury.
I guess the writer played Fire Emblem Awakening and made Wonder Woman the Cordelia of the group.
So... both DC and Marvel have a character named Hunter who turn to villainy after struggling with being outsiders to the one place they consider home due to the way they were born... that is a very weird coincidence.
You are talking about Black Panther adoptive brother White Wolf ?
@@Gabe600 Yep
I can't decide between comments, so, rapid-fire: Did Hunter run into a cabinet? :) Love your shirt! Diana needs to keep a death-grip on that lasso; it gets used against her way too often. Finally, what they feedin' that boy? He's swole!
Id like to read the Son raised by Amazonians plot mentioned in the video
In no universe would wonder woman abandon her son
Time Travel is just like Superman’s Golden Age powers…whatever the writer needs it to be 🤷🏾♂️ …I would love to see Hunter come back in a pre Legacy arc & be a Moses for the sons of Amazons , the become their Spartacus & attack Themyscira…Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
One I thing I think everyone forgets is that there is actually a case of an Amazon having a son before Hunter, and that's with Donna Troy. In the comics Donna has a son named Robbie Long, and yes while he did die before the New 52 as a toddler, he is back as a kid (probably 10 or 12) in modern comics (along with Garth's (aka Tempest) son Cerdian. I feel like this idea of a male amazon would be more interesting to explore with Robbie since in the New 52, Donna led a mass murder of the sons of Themescyra. And now that woman has a son, who is now also an incredibly powerful magic user.
Speedster names let’s see:
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Speed.
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Quick.
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Fast
Jiffy
Nano
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Velocity.
Mach
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Relativity.
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It could be interesting for Wonder Woman to have two children, a son and a daughter. Maybe she has to have a different relationship with them both, which makes the son feel unloved- especially if the daughter becomes Wonder Girl and is said to be the next Wonder Woman and he begins to 'wonder' if he's even a member of the family at all
this video reminds me how much I hated the new 52 retcon for the amazons, it's just so bad and I hate it and its lasting effect on the Wonder Woman mythos
Ooh bring Hunter back as a villain corrupted by Jason. Bring Jason back eith a thirst for bloody vengeance. And take away the ability to use the legendary weapons. It'll be great
Mosquito? Full judgement lmao. They're one of very few bugs that don't creep me out. I try to kill them. The others are common house flies that I just basically ignore, and ladybugs. Oh, ants actually don't creep me out much, either. But I try to make sure they especially don't have any interest in being inside the house. (Honestly, kinda same with flies and mosquitoes but those are harder to keep out)
I think if Diana has a son, she should turn to Bruce. "Hey Bruce, I have a problem. The Amazonians would never let me raise my son. You have like 4. You can raise mine, too, right? You also deal with superpowers all the time. He'll likely be at least half as strong as me." Boom.
I wish he was used in the media because create many good stories
Thanks for the video. I am on the fence about Hunter Prince or Wonder Women's son. Comics like DC and Marvel tend to sway male anyway. And the way the Amazons are portrayed drama would issue. What I think would be more interesting is if Wonder Woman out of the whole Trinity had more than one biological kid. Wonder Siblings are interesting concept.
Wonder Woman having a son is way more interesting than having a daughter, and it gives the opportunity to address the flaws in the Amazons society as such an antiquated and gender essentialist society. There are many different routes it can one as other ppl have pointed out. Would she reject her ppl’s teachings and raise him? Would she abandon him?
What if she has twins, one boy, one girl, and raises the girl as a successor, leaving to her son feeling resentful and abandoned, while her daughter feels pressured? What if she has a female child but then the child realized he is a trans man? How would the Amazons react? Would they want to kill him as an “abomination” to their ppl? What if the son is accepted in Themyscira, but growing up in a society that is disdainful of men messes him up, and he grows up struggling with his own own masculinity, feeling like he never belonged?
4:28 Yes, and it’s strange for Barry Allen Flash and Jessica Cruz Green Lantern (at least on Earth-One/New Earth/Prime Earth) to have three kids, even though during this time Barry Allen was in a romantic relationship with Iris West during Joshua Williamson’s Flash run, and both of them were active as heroes 57 years in real-time (or 30 years in sliding time) and two generations apart.
In my headcanon, it makes sense that Jessica Cruz would have a crush on Bart Allen (who became the Flash in 2011 post-Flashpoint) during this time because she thought that he was cute and that she grew up seeing him doing something during his Impulse and Kid Flash years long before she and Bart became friends (just like Alan Scott and Jay Garrick; Hal Jordan, John Stewart, Guy Gardner, and Barry Allen; Kyle Rayner and Wally West; Jenni-Lynn Hayden, Todd Rice, and Jesse Chambers; Simon Baz, Jessica Cruz, Jo Mullien, and Bart Allen; and Kelly Quintela, Tai Pham, Jai and Irey West, and Ace West).
This would mean that by Dawn of DC in 2023, Barry Allen would be 60 years old (but looks 44 years old because of the Speed Force) married to Iris West with twins born in the 30th Century, Bart Allen would be 34 years old (but looks 22 years old) married to Carol Bucklen with a son named Maxwell Jason “Max” Allen, and Jessica Cruz would be in her late-20s or early-30s being active as a Green Lantern.
Want to know who Wonder Woman deals with mosquitoes? She just treats them all like Maxwell Lord. Also now I want someone to get baby Darkseid and have Lois and Clark raise him.
for sure an interesting concept having a son. If Trinity turns out successful, maybe they could revisit him in a series with her gaining a brother through multiverse shenanigans and having to choose to support him and push the Amazon’s way of thinking to a more accepting nature, or, gain a villain brother for her rogues gallery.
"If Trinity turns out successful..."
I can't stop laughing at the mere concept. Sure. She'll be the one that finally succeeds at staying relevant. You bet.
@@richmcgee434 i'm not holding my breath for it with the current track record but I would love to be surprised
If Superman & Batman didn't have sons I would like Wonder Woman having one, it's more interesting brings up more questions and story line possibilities also Hunter is fine but I would like if he had more Superman stuff on him beside the cape
Thanks Sasha