Wonder Woman's Daughter Trinity Is A "Girlboss"?
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2023
- 2023 saw the Dawn Of DC at DC Comics. Across the line titles were relaunched, new characters introduced, status quos shaken. Wonder Woman reached issue 800 and was set to begin a new era with a new #,1 and new creative team. Tom King and Daniel Sampere take on Diana Prince for a new dawn and that also includes some new characters. Wonder Woman has a daughter...again. This time her name is Trinity or Elizabeth Marston Prince. She was created in part to compliment the Supersons, and she is the best at all the things, and that's a quote. Does Trinity stick the landing of her first appearance? Is she a girlboss? We discuss here on Casually Comics!
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Is Trinity the bestest and do you like the name?
It's fine as far as names go
It works equally well as a true name and a nom de guerre
Definitely not. Completely unnecessary character. Instead of creating her, Dc could simply develop Donna, Cassie, Yara (whose’s creation is not even 5 years old yet) Artemis and etc. Diana.Does.Not.Need.A.Daughter.
You don't mind the name it definitely fits the character on my opinion
I made a comment about it already, but I'm pretty neutral on Trinity for now. I'm just going to wait and see if she's more fleshed out in Tom King's WW run before I form any strong opinions.
And yeah, I think the name's pretty cool. It's cute that Diana named her kid after her two best friends in the mortal realm.
Trinity is totally the most bestest eva.😊
Damian was raised by completely heartless monsters from birth, so I understood why he was the way he was at the beginning.
I don't understand why Trinity behaves this way. It's not badass or cool to insult and belittle those who want to help you
As first impressions go... she's gotta go
She certainly needs a personality shift. maybe the whole business of her behavior being her as the prophesy child thing, only for her to find the prophesy actually is a lie, or she misread the prophesy and its actually something she does not actually want. arrogant grating personalities usually are supposed to be coupled with a humbling moment to break the break the personality and make something new from it, hopefully better than the original personality.
Yeah, and also Damian (To me) always sounded like an anoying brat who thinks he knows it all (Which feels realistic to me, my little sisters act like that sometimes), anoying at times but realistic on an endearing way, he also has this banter with John that makes it fun, it makes him feel like an actual moody kid that tries to act like an adult acting his age with a more down to earth kid, this girl just seems to be extremely rude for no good reason
@danielendless
Yes ! Yes!! Yes !!! 👏👏👏
What you said !!! What an insufferable GirlBoss B*#ch !!
Insulting, belittling SM & BM right out of the gate 😳 WTF !
Sticking SM in an endless loop of pain ,while BM is fighting an unwinnable fight but what is Miz Trinity doing while all this is happening? Chewing bubblegum and having quasi teenage girl talk with a random guy in a cell.
Oh please No rush qween ! Take all the time in the world now ,don't let the fact that your *SIMPS* , oh excuse me ... Your "friends" face the possibility of Dieing light a Fire under that @$$ !
Total fail from the get go 👎👎👎
@@Misora7303 For me it's the audience expectations. When Damian is being a little prat, we're expected to think he's a little prat. Sometimes he does get the same treatment Trinity does, and people rightfully hate that Damian.
Trinity's blatant assholery is written with the expectation that the reader is supposed to "yaaass queen" and I'm really not feeling it, so it just makes her seem even worse.
Damian is a terrible character. No excuses. Being intentionally annoying doesn't make It any better. Honestly the only good moment from him is when he died and hugged Batman.
Trinity is the same. Insufferable.
For me, I think she’s a fine idea, but I don’t get why she’s trying to be the “sassy one”, when one of the trio is *Damien Wayne*.
He’s already doing the “Rude and arrogant one with a softer side”, and a lot fans already have a hard time liking him. She’s not adding a fun new flavor to the group as she just doubling down on an already grating personality
modern western writers can only write assholes.
Honestly I believe its because writers really struggle to write a "strong" female character without the sassy gotcha attitude smh
joshua williamson have made damian very soft his sas is kinda gone
they could have made her the enthusiastic newbie who wants to impress the older heroes and hangs out with the supersons because she thinks they're cool.
I like sassy characters :/. Comic nerds are lame
There's been a really unfortunate trend in recent years of making a character with a really grating, rude, and sassy personality and everybody around them just accepts it and goes with whatever they say because they're always right. They're never really allowed to have their personality treated as a flaw, it's always "endearing" or "empowering" or "strong". In reality it's just annoying.
Writing charisma and intelligence are hard for people who lack both.
@@blackmage665
It's always easier for a smart writer to write a dumb character than a dumb writer to write a smart character.
Yeah, girls are meant to be seen, not heard /s
Grating, rude and sassy worked wonders for boy characters, so why should girl chars be hobbled?
@@clydefrosch I feel like this is sarcasm, but if not then name me some male characters comic book fans embraced with those listed traits in their beginings.
As long as this makes Donna Troy's backstory more convoluted, I'm here for it. We have a tradition to uphold!
Great😊
Well writer fetishist in wonder woman is part of the history
Yes, also a tradition.
They should have Donna Troy and Power Girl team up.
💀
I think the problem with her 'Bantery' dialogue with the Super Sons is just how long it all is. If it was succinct and punchy, it would feel like she was just teasing them, but based on the panels shown here, it's like she's going on mini-monologues about why they unironically suck. I do believe, based on the context, they really did intend for her to be friendly with them, but intent and execution don't always meet.
Adding to this, since it's living rent-free in my head, I think her intro would have been more endearing if, instead of berating the Super Sons, then making her own excuses about her own awesomeness, if she had started off with "Hey, guys, sorry I'm late, but I got tied up fighting twelve gods". It still would have had the same boast without being nearly ss abrasive. And it would save on panel space.
What a poor introduction. I agree that the length of the beratement drives home the character being arrogant, and/or insecure, which is is possible to be both simultaneously. It definitely would have read much better if her dialogue were less berating, because as is, it doesn't sound like teasing.
In my opinion, without previously established context, the writers can introduce a character this way, only if in the same story, they give necessary context, or establish that the character has an otherwise healthy relationship with the other characters. Simply introducing a character this way starts the character off in a less acceptable position, as per the audience/readers.
I just read the issue yesterday and I agree with your take. There's a difference between teasing someone in a good natured way and giving people a "reasons you suck speech" (as TV Tropes calls them). I'm a guy and guys make fun of our friends all the time because it's funny. We expect to get back what we give. Trinity seemed to be legitimately saying how awesome she is and how much they suck. She came off as completely insufferable and conceited. If Jon and Damian had fired back at her the whole situation would looked much more like friends giving each other a hard time as opposed to a teenage girl who thinks she's better than everyone.
It’s like they wrote her just to make Damian more likeable by comparison
It’s a little thing, but I feel like Damian would know Greek, especially with Trinity being his apparent sister. There could’ve been a cute scene with Damian providing a more flowery name for the Magic Cave of Death for Jon and the audience. Then have Trinity double down to tease Damian even more.
Yeah Damian's family connections Greek would be one of the first languages he would have learned. Jon isn't that dumb he can pick up languages like the rest of his people. It's like dammit Tom King don't do dirty by your own character by trying to make others look bad.
Jon is half-kryptonian, he should have no problem understanding a little Greek. Damian not knowing Greek is inexcusable. Even Ancient Greek I would expect him to understand a little bit of. Pretty lazy dialogue all fir a cheap joke that doesn't land.
Not to mention, Damian hardly goes into anything blind. As soon as Trinity got onto the scene, he would have been armpit deep in researching Greek and Themascyran traditions, cultures and stuff. Nothing she says would have caught him off guard.
Yeah, when I read that my first thought was, 'Damian would definitely know Greek'.
@@jerfuhrer2581 Yeah, he would be "Mr Prep Time" due to his father, uncle and grandfather.
Trinity sure is... A character who exists as part of the DC universe
One of the characters of all time
She really just comes off as what certain people think literally all strong female characters are like.
Maybe they will give her an arc where she learns humility🤔
The strongest.
Well, 'certain people' aren't wrong.
@@AmbroseSimpson Debatable
She has some of the traits. Unless she gets humbled one day, it's leaning towards that thought.
I don't know, when Trinity has to tell others she's the "bestest" she seems insecure. When she belittles her team, that impression is reinforced. If she were truly confident, she'd rely on her excellence to elevate her, but apparently, she believes she can only rise if she tears others down. I hope King is setting her up for character growth, because she do have quite the acerbic personality (at the time of this recording). Oh, she do!
Maybe it's just me, but for this type of character introduction I think it's necessary something that helps the audience know how the external expression of character looks on the inside, is she truly that cocky and confident ? Is it only cause it's John and Damien ? Is she actively masking insecurities?.
I get there's more to show, but like just a lil drop of internal context to know how we are supposed to read her would be nice
Yea I agree with the other comment if you read rhe main story you would kinda agree that trinity has huge shoes to fill and I think that type of person needs to exude confidence
Bravada and arrogance often come from insecurities and if she is the youngest (as she reads to me) it seems reasonable to assume that she is. She puffs up her chest, and acts important because everyone around her is and she has lot to live up to. Gives me very “I had to live up to 4 older brother vibes” while knowing those older brothers would destroy anyone that would mess with their little sis.
@@OthEdden i don't disagree, I just think it's important to have a general idea of where it comes from from the introduction, snarky and cocky can be very grading without a lil bit of vulnerability if we are gonna follow her for that long to make it less grating
It's why I always despised MCU Tony Stark all the way until his death, and I hate how they seem to be trying to copy paste his personality onto so many women lead characters just because Robert Downey Jr. somehow managed to make that personality appealing to millions of fans across the planet. It works for secondary or tertiary characters, but it does not work on leads unless Downey Jr. is playing the role. I do hope this is just the beginning of a character arc, but recent trends suggests otherwise.
I really liked Yara tbh, I think Trinity may have potential but she comes across as shoved in and slightly generic. Her personality does come across as confident but it seems like it’s more cockiness we see a lot with thing like “I’m the best” even Damien himself comes across as the same kind of cocky to me usually so idk if Trinity is really adding something here.
They should have just made Yara Diana's daughter pulled between two sides of her heritage her Brazilian mythology from her Dad and the Greek mythology from her Mum.
It was pretty simple.
Lots of potential for Yara!
@@shippendales8543 Or she could just have been adopted - that would have worked just fine by me
@@shippendales8543yara tiene mucho potencial pero ella es una personaje distinto a diana tiene boleadoras en lugar de un lazo y mas que este personaje tiene su propia tribu y gente oculta en el brasil llamadas las esquisidas y dicen aue cambian el nombre ya que las encontraban y tiene su pegaso llamado jerry y la similitud con diana es que ambas son semidiosas pero la diferencia con ella y las wonder girls anteriores es que yara no puede vuelta, diana despertó este poder en su infancia mientras que yara no , una historia trágica perdió a su madre en su corta edad y fue a Estados Unidos siendo una niña para protegerla ya que los dioses atacaron su tribu por que estaban buscando aella una de las amazonas que se revelaron contra Hércules y estaban cazando amazonas que habían abandonado sus creencias hacia ellos ,ahí le entregaron a Brian y a Renata quienes se convirtieron sus tutores y tíos adoptivos tuvieron que educar a yata para que fuera mas sociable y darle una educacion civilada por que ella se crió en la jungla con amazonas y era una niña salvaje y aprender a hablar ingles leer y escribir y vuelve a su país de origen osea brasil ya de adulta , diana nunca fue al mundo exterior ni siquiera cuando era una niña aparte tenia a su madre y sus hermanas amazonas solo tenia curiosidad por el mundo exterior, yara tiene 21 años en el presente la creadora la puso como hija de aella y de un dios guarani tal vez no tenían pensado que yara fuera hija de diana querian crear otro miembros más para la wonder familia ya que tenia pocos miembros , aparte a diana no se la vio mucho en relaciones amorosas duradera prefiere ir de aventuras y visitar a su hogar en vez de quedarse con el novio en casa cocinando o viendo una pelicula o salir de paseo en la ciudad con su pareja ,y lo de king en lugar de nombrar su personaje lizzie marston por que no le puso lyta trevor prince podríamos ver de nuevo a la lyta en la continuidad ya que se vio que steve y diana todavía había algo ahí el diseño esta perfecto y me encanto pero el alias no me convence lo sufiente pudo haber creado un nombre relacion con wonder woman / wonder girl algo parecido , tambien a hunter como su hermano mayor podría al menos que diana tenga 2 hijos en la continuidad principal. 1 .Trinity es el nombre del equipo y que va pasar cuando lanzen el comic de los 3 sucesores a quien se va referir a los supersons o la protagonista
2 el nombre Elizabeth es repetitivo por que cassie y también hay otros personajes femeninos que tambien se llama Elizabeth
3 por que no trajeron de vuelta a lyta trevor ya que steve y diana en los comic de ww apesar de estar separados todavía sentían algo uno al otro .
4 hunter prince tambien es hijo de diana Y fue creado hace años y tiene potencial hasta incluso trato a jon como hermano mayor y respeto , a diferencia de lizzie que lo trato de manera prepotente e indiferencia por lo menos hunter trata bien a su grupo siendo el líder y los trata parte como parte de su familia , podrían hacerle canon cambiandole el origen siendo hijo de steve y hermano mayor de lyta y siendo 2 hijos en lugar de una niña, en lugar de lizzie marston prince podrian ser lyta y hunter trevor prince. Y que diana tenga la oportunidad de criar y entrenar a hunter y ser buena madre para el y presente tambien al igual que lyta y por lo menos hunter tenga un padre real y tener una familia.
5 con hunter y lyta se llevarían muy bien los 4 digo son los hijos de los originales y más como hermanos ya que damian y jon los veían a lyta y a hunter como sus hermanos pequeños y los cuidarian y que los hermanos trevor prince crecieran viendo a jon y damian como su inspiración , si cabe la posiblidad de que damian y jon tuvieran una hermana pequeña en el futuro osea Helena y lara serían canon en la principal formarían 2 trinidades en el futuro eso lo pensé si llegará a pasar.
6 king debió traer a lyta y a hunter en su prox serie de ww.
For me it felt like overcompensation, if they were for that route as a character arc it may save it a little bit
This might be because I haven’t read the comic and am hearing about this character through you, but my impression of her right now is basically the product of a father writing what he thinks his young daughter wants out of a superheroine. She feels like a character from a corporate-created cartoon aimed at 7 year olds.
Yeah. She seems very Alex from Wizards of Waverly place. Seeing that show as an adult (recently) made me want to throttle her but she was beloved by kids back then.
Nah, it's screams written by a twitter woman in her mid 30's.
@@Needler13Tom King is that lol
@@Kaileighblue Even as a kid I hated Alex Russo. It was always a highlight watching her spells backfire and getting her comeuppance.
@@Needler13 Touch grass brother, no one is hurting you.
I'm fairly confident the only reason she exists is to boost sales. Yara basically filled this exact same role, but in a more interesting way. But her sales bump has run its course, so its time for thr next one.
TheY could have taken the Batman strategy and said that Yara was adopted by wonder woman, DC loves it's retcons so I don't know why not go that route XD
Por lo menos yara no hizo de menos a jon cuando lo conoció ni siquiera a los demás con el "soy mejor que tu, y tengo más experiencia en esto" cuando apareció por primera vez no la hicieron arrogante o presumida como la hija de diana de tom king o tratar mal a sus compañeros o a los demas superhéroes. No sabemos como lizzie debe tratar a los demás miembros de la liga de la justicia ojala alguien la ponga su lugar y que le quiten esa actitud arrogante y prepotente que tiene el personaje , yara deberia darle más historia y mostrar su tribu, su gente, la historia de la mitologia guarani , los dioses que habitan en la selva, y mostrar a yara defendiendo su país de origen brasil y la relación con su madre y sus tíos es interesante ver la tribu esquicidas y también su relación con su interés amoroso y que su propia alias y sus propios villanos. Me encantó como hizo equipo con Billy en el revenge of fue gods espero ver a yara interactuando con otros heroes , algo me dice que lizzie va repetir la historia de bart allen viajando al pasado osea en el presente de dc y conosca las versiones adolecentes de jon y damian y a ver a su madre diana. Yara tuvo mejor presentación que lizzie , solo mostraron muy poco sobre este personaje.
Me gustaría una interracion entre yara , donna y cassie y lizzie , hasta las 3 la pondrían en su lugar a la.hija malcriada de diana Y como se debe tratar al equipo con confianza y responsabilidad. Hasta podría ser que damian adolecente le diría las verdades a su " futura hermanita menor".
“Mom, can we have Yara?”
“We have Yara at home.”
Yara at home:
Yeah I hate Trinity, especially when Yara was really well liked during Future state and there’s so much you could do with her. Why introduce another Amazonian???
They did Yara so dirty.... she really filled this position perfectly and then they just ditched her? Why? People LIKE Yara!
She is a little precocious, but she certainly had potential
@@JoJo-is-the-name
I mean, people liked Cassie too, but they tried to replace her anyway too. So this is nothing new.
yaras getting the treatment that jason todd gets outside of comics, just in this case it’s IN the comics
@@donovanlarsen7982 To be fair... this is what all comic teams end up doing. They want to boost sales? Ditch growing characters for shiner new ones so people buy first issues. Rinse... Repeat...
I think it's weird having her be "not another Wonder Woman" while also definitively having Jon and Damian be Superman and Batman in their dynamic. It makes her feel more tacked on when the other 2 use the original mantles and she doesn't, like she's missing something to be part of the dynamic. Like either have all 3 take up different mantles than their parents, or at least 2 of them (since Wally as the Flash doesn't feel out of place with the original Titans for example), but don't just make the new character feel like the odd one out.
She feels like a WonderVelma
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Speaking of Wonder Woman's relationship with Donna Troy I love how, while the other youth sidekicks are obviously close to their respective main heroes and generally fight crime alongside them, both women work together so rarely, those few occasions they form a duo the other heroes are like: "Oh yeah. You actually have a master-apprentice relationship...Was that ever a thing?"
It makes sense for Wonder Woman to visit Donna Troy in Paradise Island at least once a week between Wonder Woman saving Donna Troy from a burning building when [Donna] was two years old (while Wonder Woman was 19 years old) and Donna’s debut as the Silver Age Wonder Girl at 13 years old. That way, we get to see Wonder Woman spending time with Donna and training with her from time to time. We would’ve seen that in any issue of Wonder Woman between the Silver Age and present day.
Also, Wonder Woman’s team up with Donna Troy happened in an issue of Adventure Comics (yes, really!) in the late 70s. DC should’ve let Wonder Woman and Donna Troy team up more during that time like Superman and Supergirl, Batman and Dick Grayson Robin, Barry Allen Flash and Wally West Kid Flash, Aquaman and Aqualad, and Green Arrow and Roy Harper Speedy.
"Was thar ever a thing?" No😅
@@joshuaingobo1559like the idea
@@juanbisonosuero3650 Thank you.
One of the reasons I think trinity was to early introduced. In general the Wonder Family isn’t well flashed out especially in the media.
I can’t say introducing a new character who is very abrasive and constantly belittling other characters we know is very endearing. Trinity could develop but this isn't the best of starts.
Me recuerda damian en sus primeros comienzos no era tan querido y encima golpeo a tim siendo en esa época el compañero de batman y robin , king de seguro va repetir la historia pero esta vez con trinity en relacion con yara flor ya que aporta en ese futuro el título de ww y ella va saltar diciendo " yo lizzie prince hija de diana Y nieta de hipolita la antigua reina de las amazonas y antiguos miembros de la Liga de la justicia , tengo el derecho de portar el manto de wonder woman de mi madre". Espero que king no ponga esos diálogos mediocres de que el personaje deba hacerse la superior ante los demás y no me sorprende que ponga a yara y a lizzie rivales como paso con damian y tim.
Lo bueno es que a damian no lo tomo Bendis ya que sería más odiado en comparación de lo principio lo único rescatable es que si paso la preadolecencia a difencia jon y tiene un buen desarrollo y crece como una persona normal.
Damian grew on me overtime so i know it can work but yeah....starting off wonder woman's daughter with thus kind of personality is gonna make this an uphill battle. People are already bummed that Donna troy, Cassie and Yara aren't being given as much focus, so that means they're already gonna judge trinity very harshly.
I think Tom King sees teen girls act like this and wants a character that can represent that aspect of society and his family. I don't think it's going over the way he wants it to.
I hope not. That type of behaviour isn't a good look for men or women.
I think tom king is an over rated hack and this is just on brand
Trinity gives me the sassy I'm better than my older brothers but, I call on them for help all the time vibe. I could imagine her being spoiled by her parents.
I honestly don't like rude characters, like Bakugo or early Damien. Those lines just made Trinity seem inconsiderate and mean. Siblings are mean sure, as kids. But these are adult siblings, which can be snarky to each other but are also regularly kind and supportive
At least those two developed, I really hope her personality is a facade so that we can see her develop
I'm the last person to say it's bad to crack a joke at your friends expense. And I love getting cracked back on too! However there's a difference between good-natured ribbing and outright telling your friends they suck and that you're better than them. To have that be the first thing we see of Trinity is far from ideal.
1. Wonder Woman is a core member of the Trinity, but when it comes to media outside of comics, she tends to get short changed.
2. Where is Yara? Can we have her instead?
3. Her personality reminds of Goldmary from fire emblem engage with a Wonder Woman skin on it. Or even like a diet Artimis.
Parece que diana la malcrio demasiado o tal vez no le puso límites cuando era pequeña pero hay que ver como diana es realmente como madre , me gustaría que dc no se olviden de cassie y le den un traje nuevo como corresponde y su lugar como parte de la familia de wonder woman al igual que yara que tenga su propio alias de heroína y un comic en solitario bien escrito al igual que cassie y donna troy con su hijo Robert. También arreglen ese personaje nuevo si sigue asi va ser la más odiada por el fandom y gente que no es tan fan de dc comics pero consume igual , a mi no me gusto la actitud con damian y con jon ni siquiera yara siendo un personaje en menos de 5 años tiene esa actitud cuando conoció a jon fue muy respetuosa y le correspondió el saludo ya que sabe que es nueva o cuando conoció a shazam tambien hicieron equipo juntos para luchar contra los dioses , no me imagino cuál será la relación de lizzie con los otros miembros de jl ya que es un personaje bastante insoportable y muy prepotente.
I think her personality works for me in the very specific context of “she’s Jon and Damien’s annoying little sister”, specially because Damien getting razz is inherently amusing to me. But when I tried to to think about Trinity as her own character whose the new champion of the Amazons, the wielder of three magical lassoes and the leader of the justice league with THAT personality... yeah I’m not a fan.
I hope they clarify she still a teenager or in her early 20s or they at least lean in to the idea that she’s a cocky asshole which is a flaw that consistently comes back to bite her and she needs to improve on (Kinda like Guy Gardner). Otherwise her character will just be too annoying for me.
When Trinity was first announced, I saw people hating her instantly, and I didn't really get it. The paralel timeline thing King describes in some quotes seemed convoluted, but I thought there was potential.
And then this issue actually came out. Trinity is so grating! And it seems like King's trying to set her up as some kind of propechy child, which is just a giant meh for me
I'm thinking that she's being set up to have a reveal that the grating personality is a farce
@@wintertrooper7918 HE could have spared a bit of space to show that to the audience. if people don't like someone off the bat they tend to drift off. I wonder if tom king is one of those people who just assumes people will read up on a new character...
I as willing to give her chance...and then read her first few lines of dialogue. I'm still not writing Trinity off completely but she has to get less annoying *very* soon.
“There are no gifts only tributes”
This is the sentence that started the Grinch’s War on Christmas
I have two siblings, who love to mess with each other and are very talented. Whenever they get too proud, one of us is ready to bring them back down to earth. So I want to say that Trinity's dialogue feels painful to listen to and I generally thought to myself, "she needs someone to deflate that ego."
Her banter would have come across as so much better if it was played as Trinity trying to get under Damien’s skin like a sister would and John playing mediator between those antagonistically sarcastic siblings. Right now, she’s coming across as the writers wanting her characterization to land on confident and competent, but missing and landing on a**hole.
That "sibling" dynamic doesnt work because Damian is like 15 or 20 years older than her...
Should we wait for "I'm Not Wonder Woman" YA novel for this one?😂
For those asking... Yes, Her last name is "Prince" This isn't a reference to Diana Prince, Instead her Father will be revealed to be "Martin Prince" from "the Simpsons"
Did martin and his wife get divorced due to the stress of his job as an undercover police officer?
Batman : how do I make the costumes scary .. I got it a really large caller
Tom King has some awesome stories, but it definitely feels sometimes from his storytelling that his idea of a strong woman is one that humiliates him and calls him names.
I mean, I thought he did a good job writing Supergirl in Woman of Tomorrow, and I wouldn't say his portrayal of Kara falls into that category. I don't think the Trinity backlash is so much a case of "men writing women" syndrome as much as it is that King hasn't really figured out the fine details of her personality yet, which is why she sort of feels like a generic strong female protagonist.
Step on me mommy 😂😭
No wonder someone like Tom King represents women in such way. I lost every respect for him the moment he falsely accused Jae Lee for being part of the Comicsgate movement just because Lee made for King's "Rorschach" mini-series an alternate cover, which, by the way, is far more badass than King's whole story. Later, King stated that he resolved the situation and made peace with Lee, something the artist himself denied. The fact King even made fun of Lee's recently deceased pet in Twitter just makes things worse
Agree👍
I guess everyone has their kinks.
😬There are so many incredible Wonder Family characters that don’t get enough of a spotlight, and so far Trinity just doesn’t stack up next to Lyta, Yara, Cassie, Artemis, and Donna. But we’ll see.
I miss Lyta(and Hector)!
Lyta and hunter they must be canon why king can t these character back in earth 0 ? I love lyta and hunter than lizzie they was great characters for me .
All of Wonder Woman's sidekicks and past kids are all drowning or skeletons in that meme pool, especially Yara, who thought it was still her time. She's now the old busted, make way for the new hotness.
Sometimes a phrase unintentionally comes to sum up a character’s whole personality like, “I’m BATMAN,” or “Big Blue Boy Scout,” even if it is a reductive caricature. Unfortunately I think with the backdrop of GirlBoss marketing and the corporatization of rebelling against the system, “Bestest,” has a good chance of cynically taking over this character’s perception.
Overall this trend towards using, “brash overly cocky and abrasive to denote strength. Particularly in introducing new Female characters reads as telling instead of showing.
So while the Super Sons have needed a Wonder Woman to balance their dynamic out just like Clark and Bruce did I fear this is going to be a wasted opportunity.
I'm hoping its one of those things where Damian was written a lot more aggressive early on and was disliked by a lot of fans, but eventually grew as he was able to bounce off other characters a bit more. I think it would have helped with Lizzie if there was actually more banter between her and the boys. Them text bubbles definitely seemed one sided 😅
She seemed very annoying but I think she’s still a teenager in this story. I hope she’s going to get humbled pretty quickly
The difference here is Damian was a literal child, and his relationships were new, so they understandably were awful considering his upbringing, and it gave room for real organic growth.
Trinity here is already an adult, and supposively has a pre-established relationship with Jon and Damian.
The difference with Damian was that he was a child when he was introduced and his attitude was understandable as a pre-tween child raised by the League of Assassins as their crown prince. Trinity is already an adult, whether 19 or not. In what universe would Wonder Woman allow her to develop this kind of attitude and behavior?
@@thomaswood8405they can fix her through time travel just go back when Wonder Woman was pregnant with her and tell her how her baby turns out causing Wonder Woman to raise her differently.
@@michaeltaylor788 Wasn't this the plot of Soul Calibur 6?
Western media REALLY needs to stop trying to sell 'insufferable, arrogant and sexist' as a good thing in their female characters, it puts forward a reeeeally negative view on how the writers see women and social interactions in general. The only people who like such unpleasant characters are people who are just as unpleasant themselves
Thank fully there has been more pushback on this trope in recent years
But im afraid we’ve got a couple more years before people are finally sick of this type of character
I think this is the first time I’ve seen you legitimately flustered by a character. Guess that’s one way to make a character memorable.
I didnt know she was written to be a little sister character, so truthfulky that makes her much more bearable.
I wish yara was a wonder woman that caught in more. Trinity seem a bit interesting but she feels like a "what's up fellow kids" clone of WW
I can't even imagine my siblings talking to me like that. I joke around with them and we poke fun at each other but never would I tell them they're "slow in a number of ways"
The problem with unlikable, mean, self-superior characters is you have to be clear about whether the work is agreeing with them, and the default for a protagonist is that it is: the protagonist is your viewpoint and counterarguments are seen as defensiveness or even establishing an antagonist.
In comics especially, you only have a tiny amount of time to establish a character at all in a single issue, let alone what the work thinks of them.
Which is a pity here, as i for example, really liked the DCAU version of Wonder Woman, where she is quite a bit arrogant and misogynistic at points, but is trying to be understanding.
Tom King certainly does like his character arcs, but when you need to wait 20 something issues for it to deliver, maybe it's best not to make them the main focus from the start? Who knows, this is a #0 anyway.
Yes DCAU WW would basically not get why other women weren't Amazons. Men she expected nothing of, and was pleasantly surprised all the time by the JLA guys who are the best there is if course. Ordinary men she just knew as useless and necessary to push out of the way and maybe dazzle to make them stand back and leer not interfere. But ordinary WOMEN she saw as not taking their place enough and not getting shit done. In the JLA episode where women have to run everything, WW sees no basic problem and it's Hawkgirl that has to tell her that women WANT men around.
I don't know how to feel about Trinity yet - we've only had one appearance of her thus far, so I think it's too early to make snap judgements. To be honest, I feel like Tom King hasn't really figured out the fine details of her character yet, which might be why she gives off "generic strong female character" vibes. I'll wait until she appears in his official WW run to decide my feelings on her - perhaps he'll have fleshed her out in his head more thoroughly by that point.
its not too early anyone who behaves in the way that trinity did in the story and demeans people doesnt change behavior. thats how shes going to be an unlikeable horrid person lol
You only get one opportunity to make a first impression.
@@garycannon4644 We are talking about a fictional character. If the writes think she should change, she will chage. With or without a (convoluted)reason
@@marcusclark1339 I did say "If the writes[sic] _think_ "
@@garycannon4644How did she act? Be so fucking for real. This complaining with no valid reasoning is so tired and exhausting.
Even if King uses "Bestest Ever" ironically, he still had to use "Bestest Ever" in a comic. This is not a good first impression. Also this means Yara had...two years of relevance(?). Even the ever expanding Bat Family uses its characters a bit better.
Anyone else think the three lassos are a reference to the Golden age of comics, the Sliver age of comics and the Dark age of comics?
I like that idea a lot.
That’s interesting!
I've never understood why people decide to invent a new offspring character out of whole cloth when the template for the character already exists. We've had Lyta Hall for decades (and they used a version of her on Nu52 Earth 2), but yeah, let's do this new character.
I had similar misgivings about Annie Parker, but she's reasonably settled as an alternate not-Mayday.
I mean Fury has a LOT of reasons not to imitate her.
I feel like the IP thing mentioned in the video is what to blame. What if putting the established character in this new setting ends up damaging them? At least, if there's a new character to add, they can just shove them away, and act like they never existed in the first place, only reducing them to "hey remember that time when DC tried to push this new character?"
0:08 Glad to see someone here who still remembers the original Super-Sons stories. from the 60's For those who don't know, these tales are set in an imaginary reality in which the children of Clark and Bruce (the identity of their mothers was never revealed) decide to succeed them the at age 20. Too bad they were never canon, they were pretty interesting characters
I agree with King's quote, but Diana "falling out of the Trinity" is something DC does to her. She is only occasionally treated at the level of Batman & Superman. DC never gives her substantial respect, only sporadic. When Batman encountered Bane and Superman encountered Doomsday, what did they do with Wonder Woman? Nothing. Her 50th Anniversary they screwed over. Every event I've read has been sub-par at best, Witching Hour being the exception (plus, that's technically a JLD event). They made her the centerpiece in Death Metal and pushed her to the side immediately. They open her with a great hook and then throw it away immediately (looking at you, Rebirth). She has never had a significant encounter with the Joker. They honestly treat her like a token character, there so DC can say we have the first female superhero. It's insulting. My evidence? Greg Rucka had a great hook with Rebirth. When Diana left Themyscara, the first time, she had never been back since, though she believed she had. What a hook! It made me collect Wonder Woman for the first time. They threw it away, Rucka left, and then we started getting the same old sub-par stories. Constant stories about being in love and so forth. That can't be the centerpiece of a superhero comic. Every story can't be about the Greek pantheon, at least not a straight forword as they do it. Anyway, DC treats her poorly. I'm hoping King can stick the landing with her.
Honestly I'd prefer it if they went ahead with Yara Flor, cleared up some of the old messes with Donna and Cassie and started something interesting with a more obscure mythos. But what can you do? Diana will have a successor character that sticks someday.
I found Trinity a bit grating, myself, but she's got a whole run ahead of her, presumably, so I look forward to changing my mind and getting used to her.
On an unrelated note, I just read Spectacular Spider-Girl yesterday and I really need somebody to talk about Mayhem, because until then I thought her arc concluded in a VERY different way
I don't know why Tom King feels that the general public doesn't think Wonder Woman isn't worthy to stand next to Superman and Batman. Hell, before superheroes became a big thing amongst the everyday person, if you asked them to name some superheroes I'd guarantee you that they'd say "Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and Wonder Woman". Maybe some would say the Hulk as well. Regardless, Wonder Woman has been in pop culture since Lynda Carter popularized her, and Superfriends cemented her status as "superhero that people know". NOW, I do think (like Aquaman) the everyday person couldn't tell you how powerful Wonder Woman really was until maybe the Justice League cartoons or the movie, but they knew she existed far longer than any other female comic hero. (Maybe Batgirl and Catwoman if she counts).
Lastly, I'd just like to add my two cents on children of legacy characters, or as I like to call them "OCs, Do Not Steal". There rarely is one that is good, and the ones that have lasted (like Damian) are basically just carbon copies off of other characters. I guess it's just more of what people like and for one reason or another people like them. I speak from personal experience here. I'm an artist with some what of a fanbase and I once made a joke OC daughter of Batman and Wonder Woman called Valor Girl... and put all the cringe tropes an OC like that would on her.... and my fanbase ate it up like I was serious. I even told them it was a joke, but they still loved her because they loved the idea of Batman and Wonder Woman getting together, I think. To this day people want me to do more with that character. So it's baffling to me. I guess tropes become tropes for a reason.
The thing about writing a character that is charmingly rude is that they need to earn it. The best examples are often in friendships that are depicted for year, ironically like Clark and Bruce sometimes banter with each other.
Tom King's gotta Tom King
He isn't deconstructing Wonder Woman, he is deconstructing everyone but Trinity.
“There are no Birthday gift, Only tributes.” XD
Okay everyone, I demanded my yearly sacrifice or else no one get the blessing cake as promised.
That actually sounds like a greek god sorta thing…!
"Are you feeling Trinity?"
DC has a big problem with introducing a sidekick character, hint to them being the true legacy this time for real, forgetting about it and then restart the cycle again
Trinity 'Bestest' reminds me of how many times comic book writers attempt to be 'hip/with it/ring-thing' with the teens of the day.
Also, Yara Flor all day over Trinity. She’s fun, modern, capable, and her Pegasus is named Jerry seals the deal for me. Yara More please.
I really like her design but she comes off as way too abrasive to me. When the super boys were talking about spoiling her I'm assuming they meant putting up with her unpleasant attitude. Maybe if we saw the "bestest ever" sas outside of her introduction maybe it would have come off differently.
I just read the book yesterday and come online to see if I was alone in finding Trinity completely insufferable. I'm glad to see I'm not. Jon and Damian are obviously very much their father's sons. Trinity is *nothing like* Wonder Woman.
For me, Tom King is a bit of red flag now. Every writer has a quirk. Just to name a few: Priest with his black boxes, Ellis talking about the church and/or group sex, and Ewing being Marvel's continuity janitor. But King's writing quirk seems to be making heroes out to be less heroic. This worked for his time on Vision, but Strange Adventure felt insulting and I think we all know what happened with Wally in Heroes in Crisis. The quotes make it seem like he's trying to move away from this style, but I'm not ready to let my guard down yet.
Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow and Superman: Up in the Sky beg to differ.
@@pattongilbert True, they are outliers, but I think Vision, Batman, Heroes In Crisis, Strange Adventure, and Danger Street are enough to see a pattern.
@@TheSapphirewaveI think it's an approach that works with characters that are a little unfamiliar to people, like I had no idea who Adam Strange was before Strange Adventures, and also Mister Miracle was new to me, and so to me both of those series are great and just come across as attempting a grittier / more realistic style. But then with established superheroes like in Heroes in Crisis it feels like well loved superheroes are misunderstood or misrepresented for the sake of a grittier narrative, and that's just a kick in the teeth. I thought Supergirl found a nice middle ground, though!
Seems they created a character to be a framing device for a story and not as a character. But revealing that character got me to watch a video about her debut. Marketing, Speculation, Intrigue ...the true Trinity it seems.
I feel like he meant he wanted HIS Wonder Woman to be worthy and not (intentionally) casting shade. But who knows? Honestly, I'd have preferred bringing back Lyta. If they can use Helena Wayne in new comics, why not?
I feel the quotes about making Wonderwoman worthy wasn't an insult to her and more an insult to DC of seeming to treat her as a lesser character compared to Batman and Superman. Which I know a lot of fans feel like she gets treated as. I think he's just trying to say he does want to repeat that time when DC was advertising Hal Jordan as the third member of the trinity instead of her. I think Trinity the character is interesting and at lest worth following for a bit to see where she goes.
Should be flash low key
@@fuckmondays2300we can replace supermen then lol
@@jewlliankaplan3946 lol hell naw Superman is an OG. We always gotta have supes
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@@jewlliankaplan3946 bats n supes came first 🤷♀️
If someone comes at me like Trinity did in her intro. They would be immediately kicked off the team.
Yara had so much more potential. Can't say the comics were amazing but there was enough to work with and fix over time and we can't overlook her value for fan fic and cosplay communities. Trinity... are we back in 2014? I feel like we're back in 2014. I won't write her off just yet but boy are they setting her up for failure.
Yo he visto en twitter y por conocidos que muchas gente dibujan a yara cassie y donna pero también algunos dibujos que ellas están juntas y con la conta la familia completa solo hay 4 dibujos de trinity cuando dc mostro la nueva ww de future state yara flor en el 2020 todos los fans de dc salieron a dibujarla solo por el traje de baño que recordaba a diana y que es muy atractiva y es latina osea brasileña y en poco tiempo gano popularidad y la belleza latina que representa el personaje hasta hay muchos fanart le hicieron al personaje en tan poco tiempo y mucho cosplay pero cuando mostraron a trinity la hija de diana como que fans no la dibujaron cuando king la presento en twitter o en instagram muchos no le llamaron mucho la atención al personaje y he visto muchos seguidores que le preguntaron a king donde están yara cassie y donna ? Sólo dijo que va lugar y reconocimiento para ellas tambien , pero mas que los fans que no quiere que dc sea reemplazar a yara ya que yara opaco a cassie y a donna y empezaron a aceptarla como la sucesora de diana Y su compañera y pasaron 2 o 3 semanas desde la presentación solo vi unos pocos que la dibujaron pero este personaje y nada más y un solo cosplay solo que le habia preguntado a algunas personajes que yo conosco me dijeron que queria dc hiciera canon a lyta trevor la hija de diana y steve y también a hunter prince para que los dos sean parte de la principal tierra y sean 2 hijos en lugar de 1 y que muchos queria hunter sea oficial hijo de steve trevor y sean con lyla hermanos directos y no medios hermanos y diana y steven tengan la tarea de educarlos y entrenarlos para que en un futuro tomen sus propios caminos y hagan su propio legado que estén en el presente y otros que me dijeron que lizzie le recuerda mucho a artemis con una combinación de las wonder girls y a diana , la mayoría le gustó el diseño de lizzie pero hay otros no les llamaba la atención o solo que muchos preguntaban quien era el padre pero yara flor que todavía no habían mostrado mucho en 2 años su desarrollo historia y origen y su adolecencia y niñez y la relacion con su madre y tíos y mostrar mas de su tribu, cultura gente y sus hermanas esquicidas y su reina ya que joelle agrego otra mitologia muy distinta que las reconocidas en el mundo dc hay dioses y cultura y mitologias griega y egipcia , asgardianas, hindú , haiwaiano el mas nuevo que se agregó seria guarani y pudimos haber visto sobre sus dioses culturas y que la misma yara vuelva despues de tanto años a Brasil su lugar de nacimiento y Explore la jungla y vuelva a la tribu en donde la vieron crecer en lugar de cassie ,pero si dc le dieron lugar e incluso hasta han durado más que yara flor y comic en solitario como por ej a punchline, ghost maker , clownhunter, jace fox ( batman afroamericano) , monkey prince y en otros , la.gente dibuja fan art a las wonder girls que a trinity, mucha gente al ver el nro 800 no le gustaron la personalidad de lizzie en si se comportó muy arrogante con damian y jon pero tambien damian era asi en sus primera apariciones solo espero que king cambie esa personalidad y veamos mas su desarrollo y que sea tan grosera con los demas miembros de la Liga o presumida pero me da la sencion que con yara si va tener problemas no sólo por el comportamiento si no por el título y mas que yara es wonder woman en ese futuro y capaz y no me sorprende que lizzie le diga a yara que por ser la hija de diana ,princesa de las amazonas y nieta de hipolita la anterior reina de las amazonas diga que ella mas derecho de portar el título de wonder woman por ser hija de la predesora y igual que damian que presumía que debía ser batman en un futuro y tomar ese legado solo por ser el hijo biológico de bruce Wayne y que eso le favorecia a los al ghul y que tenía más derechos por ser su único y verdadero biológico de bruce y se los dijo a los 3 anteriores robin osea a dick jason y tim ,para mi que king va intenta crear la rivalidad de yara y lizzie al igual que fue con tim y damian ya que el mismo creo a damian Wayne y repetir la historia .
"That must be the charm he mentioned" 😂 I snorted the coke I was drinking out of my nose 😂😂😂
As much as I hate this, I'm torn if this is worse than what the Power Girl 1 shot did to Karen (I refuse to call her Paige).
Trinity feels like a teenager trying to act adult- it's like she doesn't have the experience to have the attitude she has, which can make her come across as fake.
Trinity kinda reminds me of Lyta Trevor-Hall Fury, the daughter of Earth Two Wonder Woman and a member of Infinity Inc. Sadly, after the first Crisis, her origin (like other characters' such as Power Girl) was drastically changed, being now a mortal woman raised by the Amazons. Shame, I honestly prefered her first origin FAR more
Same here because daughter of the Golden Age Wonder Woman who would’ve graduated as Earth-Two’s Wonder Woman after the first Crisis in 1985 (if the first Crisis resulted in saving the pre-Crisis multiverse).
I'm afraid that Tom King will make the same mistake. Excellent writing but brutal mischaracterization, the best example being Human Target. It's like he wants to tell an original story, but he has to work with pre-existing well-defined characters, so he warps them to serve the purpose of his tale.
Somehow King is already butchering the Supersons dynamic. Trinity's personality is just...Damian, but more talkative
It's one thing to start right out the gate with a fully formed original character and fill in their backstory later. It's another thing entirely to introduce someone who is supposedly bearing the weight of legacy without actually showing them growing into it.
My brother and I used to pretend to be Trinity and Bambino, especially at supper time! We'd sit across from each other and glare across the table while we ate our drumsticks.
I like the idea of Wonder Woman being a mom, I do. She had a "cool aunt" vibe with Cassie. Diana and Donna didn't really interact all that much on panel, with Donna mostly being a Teen Titans character and not often being Wonder Woman's actual sidekick. So this girl being someone who considers Wonder Woman "Mom" could be very interesting.
But the abrasive cocky attitude doesn't work well with Damien already there. Introducing her in a future story instead of the timeline of Wonder Woman taking her in might be pre-emptively dooming the character.
If she was supposed to come off like a playful sister vibe, they failed. she comes across more like a jerk
For Wonder Woman’s 800th issue, at least we get to see a dream sequence of Wonder Woman interacting with Donna Troy, Cassie Sandsmark (in her early 2000s Young Justice suit), Artemis, Yara Flor, Clark Kent Superman, and Bruce Wayne Batman. I hope that Tom King’s Wonder Woman run will improve over the Cloonrad run and that it will involve her interacting with her entire family in person all the time (like the Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, and Green Arrow Families).
Also, in my opinion, this issue should’ve had more writers (i.e. Bill Messner-Loebs, Phil Jimenez, Greg Rucka, Gail Simone, etc.) focusing on all Wonder Woman history and characters just like Flash’s 800th issue.
Also, for the Tom King part, it would make sense for Lizzie Prince Trinity to be taken care of by the entire Wonder Woman family instead of Jon Kent Superman and Damian Wayne Batman (whom they would treat her as a little cousin/sister).
What Tom King and Daniel Sampere present with this first story is Trinity actively working with Jon and Damian: Wonder Woman is historically a hard character to team-up with, because she always has a calvary of Amazons at the ready. But King and Sampere appear to be staging an adventure involving DCs "Trinity" where all three heroes are pushed to their respective limits. So far, so good :D
It's Tom King's writing which, after HiC, is a big strike going in. Right now Trinity is little more than a walking trope.
"Right now Trinity is little more than a walking trope." Oh, I really think you are underestimating her! She's at least 20 Walking Tropes!😄
Tbh I like Trinity. I just kinda wish they did this with maybe a like more yara flor type. I like the idea of the trinity being like siblings it's a very interesting departure from the og trinity. I really like the idea of damien as batman because I am one of the few who actually love damien, i just wish they would keep his progress on his character arcs going instead of putting him backwards all the time. However I would just like some more representation yk? I was very into yara cause I'm brazilian and I like the idea of Luke Fox (Not Jace) being Batman. I'm also black lol and I would just love to see more of that. Maybe in the other members outside of the trinity we'll see that more, or perhaps in the league there's two wonder women- that could be kinda interesting honestly
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Yara Flor and Luke Fox deserve their chance to shine.
Honestly I feel like both of those characters should have been in the place of both Damien and Trinity imao.
Damien should be his own hero with his own identity like Nightwing.
The dynamic between Luke, Jon and Yara would have been very interesting and fun.
I love the idea of Two Wonder Women sharing the title.
I like her design and the idea of a new DC trinity...but every word that comes out of her mouth beats you over the head with how out of place she feels. It's like the authors tried so hard to make her feel established in the universe that it did the opposite and makes her stick out like a sore thumb. Damien and Jon have years of comics setting up their characters and their dynamic, and it feels like this is trying to do that in one issue for Trinity. What could be considered endearing from established characters is grating coming from someone we just met.
I hope the author tones it down with her and lets her be a person. Living up to Diana is next to impossible, both for the readers and for Trinity as a person. In the future, I think she could shape up to be a really interesting character. But right now? She has a long way to go and this issue did her few favors.
To be charitable, much like you said, it is clear that the three of them have a history and it's clear that the writers are very much attempting to build on a sibling dynamic for the trio, with Trinity. That being said, good grief.
I don't think King is saying that WW isn't worthy but rather he wants to make sure that his run will be like that and he's going to emphasize her role as an iconic superhero over other aspects of the character.
They could totally salvage this though. The way they write her, intended or not, makes her seem super insecure. If they developed something like how she's constantly in her mother's shadow and feels inferior and therefore acts all superior because of it that could work really well. Then give her an arc where she comes into her own and becomes a likeable character.
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A year from now nobody will remember her remember Wonder Woman's son or brother?
To be fair Jason was too boring.
She had a son??
@@timothytumusiime2903 parallel Earth he led an edgelord Justice League and Diana abandoned him at birth because he has a penis, which he was making use of in Flash's daughter Nora.
Idk Tom King is pretty well known writer
@@chowderman8888 well known doesn't mean good you read any of Frank Miller's stuff in the last 20 years?
i cant stop repeating 15:45 to 15:49 and dying laughing , everything is perfect
I think you've nailed the problem withe Trinity's delivery--there's no back and forth.
The sass feels obnoxious if the others on the page aren't firing back.
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I like the idea of Trinity (and Jon and Damien) and I think her design is really great. She looks like a young Wonder Woman, the three lassos is interesting, the outfit looks great, but….. ugh, that dialog is very grating. Reminds me a bit of Damien in the beginning, but without people telling her she’s being an a-hole (and without the “I was raised as the prince of assassins” excuse that he had). I don’t get why writers do this to new characters. Characters can be confident, competent, and even a bit sassy without just putting everyone else down. When you introduce a new character and he/she starts off by talking down to characters the audience knows and (mostly) likes… it’s not endearing and can give a negative first impression that’s hard to overcome.
My guess is its going for the Ahsoka Tano Character arc. introduce a character and make her unlikable but competent and successful for a time, then humble her and have her build herself back up with humility. DO it this way to elicit strong emotional responses from the audience first wanting t see her fail then later after she ditches the attitude want to see her succeed and grow. only weird thing is she seems to be old enough to be more mature than is showing herself to be the Ahsoka strategy works better for younger characters
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Love some of the camera/editing tricks you did in this one, like at "deal with it" and "put a pin in it".
Here is my version of the entire Wonder Woman Family on New Earth/Prime Earth.
1938: The Golden Age begins.
1940: The JSA was formed.
1941: Queen Hippolyta of Paradise Island arrived in Man’s World and made her debut as the first Wonder Woman. Helena Kosmotos made her debut as the first Fury. The Seven Soldiers of Victory were formed. The All-Star Squadron and Freedom Fighters were formed.
1942: Queen Hippolyta joined the JSA. The Young All-Stars were formed before they eventually became part of the All-Star Squadron.
1948: The Seven Soldiers of Victory were scattered throughout time.
1951: The JSA disbands. Queen Hippolyta returns to Paradise Island.
1953: All the Fawcett heroes were in suspended animation.
1956: The Freedom Fighters disband.
63 Years Ago: Diana and Nubia of Paradise Island were born from clay. Nubia was kidnapped by Mars.
50 Years Ago: Diana made her debut as the first Wonder Girl.
47 Years Ago: Hippolyta “Lyta” Trevor, the daughter of Helena Kosmotos, was born and raised by Joan Dale and Derek Trevor.
46 Years Ago: Donna Hinckley was born.
44 Years Ago: Steve Trevor crash landed on Paradise Island, causing Diana to arrive on Man’s World, graduate as the second Wonder Woman, and took on the identity of Diana Prince. Diana saved Donna Hickley from a burning apartment building, causing [Donna] to be sent to Paradise Island to be raised by Queen Hippolyta.
38 Years Ago: The Silver Age begins.
36 Years Ago: The JLA was formed.
34 Years Ago: Flash of Two Worlds.
33 Years Ago: The JSA came out of retirement and have their first team up with the JLA. Donna Hinckley made her debut as the second Wonder Girl. The Teen Titans were formed. Cassie Sandsmark was born.
32 Years Ago: Paradise Island disappears after Diana gave up her powers, causing Diana to leave the JLA and move to NYC. Donna Hinckley took on the identity of Donna Troy.
31 Years Ago: The JLA and JSA rescue the Seven Soldiers of Victory. Paradise Island reappears. Diana regains her powers and meets Nubia. The Teen Titans disband. All the Fawcett heroes returned from suspended animation.
30 Years Ago: Nubia moved back to Paradise Island. Kara Zor-El was adopted by Queen Hippolyta. The Freedom Fighters were reformed and teamed up with the JLA and the JSA. The Twelve Labors. Diana rejoins the JLA.
29 Years Ago: The Teen Titans were reformed. The JLA, JSA, and Squadron of Justice team up to defeat King Kull.
28 Years Ago: The Teen Titans disband again. Diana has her first team-up with Donna Hinckley. Orana of Paradise Island made her debut as the third Wonder Woman before she died. Diana moved back to DC. The New Teen Titans were formed. Judgment in Infinity. Diana meets Lyta Trevor. Donna Hinckley learned of her origins. Lyta Trevor made her debut as the second Fury. Infinity Inc. was formed.
27 Years Ago: Donna Troy and Terry Long were married. The JLA disbands to form the Justice League Detroit.
26 Years Ago: Crisis On Infinite Earths. Diana and Steve Trevor were married before Diana was killed by the Anti-Monitor. Hippolyta Trevor graduated as the fourth Wonder Woman. The JSA was sent to Limbo.
25 Years Ago: Legends. Diana was resurrected with her memories intact and revealed her identity to the world. Diana and Steve Trevor moved to Boston. The Justice League Detroit disband to form the JLI.
24 Years Ago: Millennium.
23 Years Ago: Yara Flor was born. Lyta Trevor and Hector Hall were married. Infinity Inc was disbanded. The New Teen Titans graduated as the New Titans. Donna Hinckley graduated as Troia. The JLE was formed. Invasion!
21 Years Ago: Daniel Hall was born. War of the Gods. Armageddon 2001. The JSA returned from Limbo. Robbie Long was born. Eclipso: The Darkness Within.
20 Years Ago: Bloodlines. Hippolyta Milton was born. Donna Hinckley graduated as a Darkstar. Zero Hour. The JSA disbands again. Artemis of the Bana-Mighdall made her debut as the fifth Wonder Woman.
19 Years Ago: Artemis was killed. Diana and Steve Trevor moved to Gateway City. Underworld Unleashed. Lizzie Trevor, daughter of Diana and Steve Trevor, was born. Daniel Hall made his debut as the fourth Sandman. Artemis made her debut as Requiem and was resurrected. Cassie Sandsmark made her debut as the third Wonder Girl. The Final Night. The New Titans disband.
18 Years Ago: The JLA was reformed. Genesis. Donna Hinckley and Terry Long were divorced. Diana dies and becomes the Goddess of Truth, causing Queen Hippolyta to return as the first Wonder Woman. Day of Vengeance. Young Justice Was formed.
17 Years Ago: The JSA was reformed. Donna Hinckley graduated as Donna Troy. The Titans were reformed.
15 Years Ago: Our Worlds At War.
14 Years Ago: Cassie Sandsmark forms a romantic relationship with Conner Kent Superboy. The Titans and Young Justice disband to form the first-generation Young Titans.
13 Years Ago: Titans of Tomorrow. Identity Crisis.
12 Years Ago: Cassie Sandsmark learns that she is the daughter of Zeus. Infinite Crisis. Paradise Island disappears again. Hippolyta Milton was kidnapped and captured by Ares. The JLA disbands again. Hippolyta Trevor and Hector Hall disappeared. 52.
11 Years Ago: Donna Troy made her debut as the sixth Wonder Woman. One Year Later. The JLA has reformed again. Paradise Island returns again. The Titans reform again.
10 Years Ago: Final Crisis. The JSA All-Stars were formed. The Titans disband again. The JSA All-Stars disbanded to join the JSA. The Odyssey. Flashpoint. Cassie Sandsmark graduated as the third Fury. Young Justice was reformed. The Outlaws were formed. Robbie Long made his debut as Wonder Boy.
8 Years Ago: Forever Evil.
7 Years Ago: Multiversity.
6 Years Ago: Convergence. DCYou. Darkseid War.
5 Years Ago: Rebirth. Robbie Long graduated as Darkstar. The Titans have reformed again. Cassie Sandsmark found Hippolyta Milton, causing [Hippolyta] to graduate as the fourth Wonder Girl. Lizzie Trevor made her debut as Trinity. Artemis joined the Outlaws. The Supersons were formed. Peng Deilan made her debut as the Wonder Woman of China. The Justice League of China was formed.
4 Years Ago: Cassie Sandsmark found her brother Jason. Artemis formed a romantic relationship with Jason Todd Red Hood. Dark Nights: Metal.
3 Years Ago: Cassie Sandsmark and Conner Kent Superman were married. The Outlaws disband. Dark Nights: Death Metal. Diana sacrificed herself to save the world.
2 Years Ago: Infinite Frontier. Yara Flor arrived in Brazil. Nubia arrived at Man’s World and made her debut as the seventh Wonder Woman. Diana returned from ascension. The Lost Children (renamed the Young Society) returned.
1 Year Ago: Trial of the Amazons. Yara Flor graduated as the fifth Wonder Girl. Dark Crisis. Hippolyta Milton graduated as Lyta Wonder. Lazarus Planet. Lazarus Planet: Revenge of the Gods.
Now: Dawn of DC. Yara Flor graduated as Yara Flor. Knight Terrors.
2 Years From Now: Time Crisis.
7 Years From Now: Secret Crisis.
85271: The Wonder Woman of the 853rd century made her debut. The Justice Legion Alpha was formed.
Holy convoluted
I agree, I don't like the way she talks to Jon and Damian. One thing is a little sass but, to me, she comes too strong in a bad way, especially this being the first time we see her. For a first impression I was not impressed, and I she was a person that I meet this way, even if she's not talking to me like that, I wouldn't want to be her friend or would be hesitant to engage with her the next time.
I think that the line "between family there's no favors, just obligations" should have been said by one of the other two to show their willingness to help her even when they don't know what it is that they are going to do.
She needs to be nicer to Jon and Damian to win me over.
7:18 "or she may just come across as incredibly grating"
Yup. That. 100% that
If they're gonna make them just like their predecessors but not as good, it's gonna be a pointless waste of time. They need to make them kind of similar (clearly influenced and related to their parents as anyone would be) but give them their own personalities and their own flaws that they deal with and need to overcome. Just like real people, make them a result of the genes of each of their parents combined with their upbringings and what they went through while growing up.
Damien didn't watch his parents get shot in an alley, he can't be like Batman, but that doesn't explain his obsession with big collars. Trinity looks like she's more egotistical and haughty than WW, for whatever reason... but looks like that doesn't serve to be anything other than annoying and makes her character unlikable.
I often feel like comic books and their related material has just become an exercise in putting out new content for the sake of... jobs. It's just a job to a lot of people in the industry now. Its not driven by passion and creativity. Maybe too much effort to make something timely all the time rather than timeless.
But yeah... she and the writing for her isn't helping the new trope that female characters are being intentionally written as mean and snarky these days. It seems like an attempt at humor, but its really not what most people would find funny.
I think the idea behind trinity is that she is egotistical and haughty entirely because she is 'chosen'. she has the lasso's of fate, and all the theoretical power of wonder woman and all this power, but she lacks the actual wisdom and responsibility for it. she is starting out haughty and arrogant because likely she is being set up for a very big fall in her future. like perhaps her efforts to speedrun her own prophesy of greatness backfire horribly. why she brought them there was so that she could fulfill the things she needs to do quickly without actually burning herself out. because the idea behind the trials is clear, there is a lesson she is supposed to learn, but she instead is rushing ahead, conscripting others to help take the blow while she can quickly press forward toward her destiny. however, these things are going to bite her in the ass. because ultimately she is not actually ready. she does have the skill, the honor, or the ability to handle the pain she would need for her destiny, but her desire to quickly skip to the part where she has the thing she is after leads to her getting thoroughly dismantled, and making things worse.
Overall, I'll keep checking up on this character to see if something interesting happens, but I still think that it's really late for her to be introduced since the super sons have ended for now.
The "annoying younger sibling" archetype is a hard one to get right. It almost feels like there was a writing/art mismatch. Trinity's dialogue might be endearing if she was meant to be very young, say 13 or even younger. As it is she just seems immature, especially when she uses cutesy words like "bestest" or "super duper".
Honestly, as much as I enjoyed the Cloonan/Conrad run (Siggy my beloved), I was always planning to drop out after issue 800. Wonder Woman is kind of a hit-or-miss character for me, and Tom King's writing isn't my thing.
P.S. The real DC Trinity is the one from the Ram V Swamp Thing run. She's the elemental embodiment of the radioactive glass formed during the Trinity nuclear bomb test in New Mexico and she's great.
My heart just leapt in a single bound w/ that My Name is Trinity joke. Made my day there.
As someone who replied to your community post saying “which one is the Brazilian Wonder Woman” thank you for the acknowledgment 😂
Damn, she looks impressively identical to Artemis, except for her lean musculature. Surely Jason Todd would be interested in "collaborating" with her 😉
Tbh, I think DC should focus more on building upon previous WW characters rather than bringing in new ones.
The reason a lot of Wonder Woman characters don’t stick isn’t because they’re bad or anything it’s because they’re not consistent. Every time there’s a new writer they always try to leave their mark on WW’s brand by reinventing her characters, their backstories, their designs, or bringing in new ones while not focusing on old ones.
For example, Cheetah is mainly WW’s main villain only because she’s the one who people can recognize the most-and that’s because she consistently shows up and her design doesn’t change that much. A lot of people don’t know WW’s other villains because they either don’t show up enough or when they do the artists change how they look like so no design can stick around long enough for people to become familiar with it.
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