The Astro Who Refused To Cheat
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Jose Altuve, the Most Bullied Player in Baseball
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You guys forgive Altuve yet?
Eh. Have to finish the vid first to decide.
Edit: yes, I do (mostly). Even though he didn’t actively participate in the cheating, he probably should’ve said something. Other than that, he seems like a cool dude. I wish him the best.
@@-woohoobs-8918 same
No I still think he was involved in the cheating and he’s getting what comes to you when you cheat
No lol you serious?
no lol
The funniest part is when fanbases instantly forgive a member of the scandal as soon as they join their team.
Perfect example of this: yankee fans
Nice vague reference to something that only exist in your head. This is about the fraudulent dishonest Astros. Not the imaginary player that goes to another team.
George Springer..
Like how Red Sox fans hate The Stros and bring trash can lids to games but love Cora?
Ain’t it so?
The dumb thing is that the astros actually had a really good team and didn’t need to cheat at all. Their actions damaged the reputations of the whole brand and the commissioner’s statements on the situation damaged the reputation of baseball
The Yankees … the Red Sox… the A’s, the Cubs, just to name a few were also known for cheating by the way of stealing signs using Apple watches cameras taking PED’s … etc…. And none of those teams got punished or hated the way the Astros did so shut up already. The game was already tarnished.
it did not damage baseball...it damaged the anti-american, capitalist-infested MLB.
Yes. But the Astros were not the only ones! 19 other teams were they also found doing the same thing. The reputation of baseball was damaged by all those teams. We just happened to have a rat 🐀 in our team and now he is getting what he deserves.
@@Nova_Nora5 this exactly, mlb threw the astros under the bus to take all the heat. But the long list of cheaters between '16 and '20 is unreal including Yankees cheating the same time they claim the Astros stole their chance. It wasnt about I have a good team and dont have to cheat, its about winning the title and doing whatever it takes KNOWING other teams are cheating to beat you.
@@Nova_Nora5 This is cap.
We had a home room lesson about perseverance using the Astros as examples, and the next day the cheating scandal broke.
This is AWESOME lol.
And the than the MLB also find out the Yanks and Red Sox’s were also cheating… hey at least the Astros and the Red Sox were good enough to be able to win! The Yankees and Dodgers couldn’t win even with cheating 😂😅 instead Cash still says that the yanks mental health is mess up and they keep losing because the Astros stole signs on them 6 years ago 😂🤣🤣🤣 yall whiny babies are so funny!!! Hey Yanks! Call Better Help! ♥️ Houston is here for you, we can help you sweep 🧹 your stadium 🏟️😘
Bro that’s awesome
Still a valuable lesson - just wasn't the one you thought it might be. Lol. Sweet teacher though.
Oh goodness, that poor teacher.
I love your videos from a non baseball fan because you dont act like people will know even the smallest details. I’m sure it’s a little annoying for diehard fans having to hear the minute details, but you’re pretty much the only reason I’m starting to watch baseball (have to give chart party some credit 😂)
Same, this is the kind of stuff thats actually getting me into baseball, unlike my family that just want me to get it without haveing to explain anything.
Exactly!🎉
I think a lot of people who think they know everything also learn little things constantly. People think they know it all
Nobody cares about a prospect's obscure litany of stats on Monday home games in April. Moneyball and its consequences have been a disaster for sports.
Good comment. It's why I watch this channel.
Fun fact: in the 2021 regular season, Altuve's batting average was .278. He hit .278 in the first half of the season and .278 in the second half; .278 against lefties and .278 against righties.
Is that real? Even disregarding cheating at home, who is that consistent, ever? What a beast
@@alainabrinton5298 2021 alaina…
I had to edit it 'cause I got it wrong. It wasn't .278 at home/on the road, but .278 in the first half and second half.
@@alainabrinton5298 Look up Khris Davis stats the dude hit .247 4 years in a row
soooo your saying he found another way to cheat then...
I don't think I'll ever see someone go from so praised to so hated that quickly
thats what happens when dodgers fans get butt hurt
juju smith shuster
OJ Simpson
Will smith 😦
@@fruitsnack6319 your mom
Spanish speaker here and also Yankees fan lol, he said “la camisa no” which means “not the jersey” not “I have a piece”
Facts (a Latina that is a Astro fan)
He meant not the jersey because I have a piece.
thats what he said
Same thing
"If he was using a buzzer, he'd be more careful..." Bro...they were loudly banging f'n trash cans 🤣🤣🤣
He would plant buzzers in a more careful place, like his glove.
That’s what i’m saying! he obviously cheated just astros fans are delusional because they won
@@shelbynorth9518 The Astros cheated, nobody can dispute that. Even if Altuve had no part in cheating, without it, he wouldn't have won (or then again, maybe they might have).
This video's point is that Altuve didn't cheat. First, he refused to use trash cans. Second, if he used a buzzer, he wouldn't have hid it under his shirt where he knew his teammates would rip it off - or his teammates would know not to rip it off. Thirdly, he proved he did have a tattoo.
@@broadstreet21and that tattoo was nothing more than a small/word name in cursive is it not? Hardly something that can't see the light of day
@@shelbynorth9518 oh yeah? provide some proof buddy. And while you are at it provide proof that the redsox didnt cheat. fools all of you.
Y’know, none of the fan investigation work would have been necessary if MLB itself didn’t botch the investigation into the org. Many fans (and players) were pissed with the way it was handled, which just caused more animosity between all parties involved.
What does this mean? The Astros organization cooperated fully, maybe even to a fault, unlike (e.g.) the Red Sox who clammed up and simply blamed a rogue replay video guy
Because they would have had to suspend 70% of MLB managers. This was the neat and tidy way to "end the problem".
@@stephenreagin719 im pretty sure it's been reported the league knew about the Astros cheating DURING that 2017 season but did nothing about it. Sure nthe Astros can say that they cooperated fully, but idk about you I'm not giving out incriminating information to a cop if they don't know about it or if they have no solid proof on it, that's why the buzzers are as big of a topic as they are because it's a speculation.
@@stephenreagin719 right, I think he's implying BEFORE the scandal broke out. And he's not wrong, the MLB knew the Yanks/Red Sox/Dodgers/Brewers and many other teams were suspiciously involved in digital sign stealing or at least 'curious' video room activity, but just wanted it to go away, and it never did. This became a league wide problem, and once Fiers opened his rat mouth, they pinned it on the Stros. It was easier for them to have one 'renegade scapegoat,' rather than actually present it like the league wide issue it was.
Don’t forget that the players were represented by the MLBPA. They said the players would agree to “tell all” in return for immunity. Otherwise, they would stay silent. That’s why the players were not punished.
That shot of Mike Fiers beard was almost as disgusting as the Astros scandal itself
When trying to look badass goes wrong.
Mike Fiers looks like the game master from the hunger games
Honestly keep forgetting that man exists and is still in my Oakland Athletics roster LOL
More disgusting
Mike Fiers is a pretty disgusting person tbh
Altuve is a really nice guy as well. He is always doing charity stuff around town. Everyone loves him here in Houston. Guys on top of the mountain are always loved or hated, no in between.
oh so charity means he didnt cheat? hahaha please I can show you plenty of athletes who do both
@@wtfyomom did you not watch the video?
@@SoldierJackson77 yes. The team cheated
@@youtubehand yea but altuve purposely did not listen the the bangs from the trash cans and the reason people said he was using a tracker was because somebody on youtube misread his lips. he was really saying "no camisa" which means "no shirt" in spanish
Because he has a guilty conscience.
It's 2023 and Altuve has been putting up the same big numbers since the accusation. He's just good and doesn't need to cheat.
He's literally great!
Are you that ignorant? If you have the same average when cheating and not cheating then he still cheating. Try taking batting practice when you know which pitch was coming and then do it without knowing. Let's see if you have the same average. His actions after the 2019 homerun to run into dugout and not stay and celebrate with teammates. Seriously wake up and face reality.
@@Undertaker5579 So he has had signs in every AB and was able to get them from every park this season?
@@Undertaker5579🤡🤡🤡🤡
He's a cheater just like the rest of them.
Altuve - Oh I didn't do it. I'm the only one.
I call b*******
Chapman hung a slider middle high to this guy during an inning where the only pitch he was able to throw for a strike was the slider. His fastball location was nonexistent that entire inning. As a yankees fan, I 100% held Chapman responsible for that homerun since it happened
Woah can’t believe that.. not to pour salt on the wound either but I believe the Yankees didn’t score that much either in that series
The only issue I have is the count was 2-1 usually you get a fastball from Chapman in that situation, altuve looked like he knew what was coming. No flinching I remember watching that live and telling my girl, wow it's like he knew what was coming... I'm a mets fan by the way
@@janelis156 In 2019, Chapman threw the slider in a 2-1 count at almost double the rate than the fastball. He hung a slider and got caught.
@@janelis156 casual
100% I never understood why people were surprised by the fact that, if you throw a meatball upstairs to a guy who's proving time and again to be one of the best high fastball hitters of his generation, it's gonna get crushed.
Manfred effectively did nothing in response to the Astros cheating, so it left everyone wanting blood from the franchise, and Altuve was one of the biggest faces of those teams for better or worse. That's why he gets bullied, guilty or not, because MLB is run by incompetents.
The only take necessary.
Exactly. When Manfred found out about the Astros sign-stealing scheme back in 2017, he purposely chose to protect the business of baseball at the expense of the integrity of the game. And since Manfred chose to cover it up and sweep it under the rug, that told other teams (including 2018 Boston Red Sox) that there was no real reason to worry about getting caught. So, Manfred not only botched the 2017 situation with the Astros (TWICE), his purposeful mistake also led to teams cheating in 2018 & 2019 right up until the whistleblower came forward after the conclusion of the 2019 season.
The fact that Manfred still has his job should tell everybody that MLB values the business ($$$) of baseball over everything else, including the integrity of the game.
Because the Yankee and most if all the league was doing the same thing
@@brianbunel7687 worst part is the Yankees just got a slap on the wrist and they tried to pay to have it covered up and they were doing it 2 years prior to the Astros
Off topic but nice voidz pfp!!!
This was like the video convincing everyone that Daniel Larusso was the real bully, not Johnny Lawrence.
I got a piece on?! Bro he said “¡La camisa no!” 😂💀
I’m wondering why, Carlos Beltran, the guy that apparently started the whole thing, got no heat for it in the slightest
Because people realized it was a scapegoat. Everyone they blamed, either was already retired, or on different teams
He did get fired by the Mets...and he's the only guy besides Luhnow still out of a job, I think he took enough of the fall.
@@lukerbom12 he left the job he was never fired
@@Mall_man_ They "agreed to part ways", come on, we all know what that means
He literally lost the job as the Mets manager a day after being announced
Bang% is a punch line I didn’t know I needed
Sound like a speed run category
@@thatguynamedluke7207 what’s up guys we’re going for bang percent.
@@ShamanicEnzan Mark Beuhrle would be a natural at it.
Altuve says “ LA CAMISA NO! La camisa NO! “
As in: not the shirt ! Not the shirt!
If you’re a member of a team that is actively cheating, and you have knowledge of it, and say nothing. You are a cheater.
Although I see where you're coming from, his whole career could be at risk. If he came out about it he could've lost his spot on the astros and or also been called a cheater no matter what. It's a tuff spot for anyone to be in, and he just handled it poorly.
Well maybe to you Mr goody 2 shoes.
You don't rat out your teammates, that's nonsense
The word you're looking for is "complicit," which he was. So Yeah, it's just as bad.
Even if you know that most of your opponents (in the playoffs at any rate) are also cheating?
If Altuve wasn’t so short, it wouldn’t be as easy to make short jokes about him
Well no fucking shit
@@diegocorona3983
But why doesn’t he get less short? 🤔🤔🤔
Dude looks like a damn garden gnome. If you put him in someone's garden with a cone on his head, no one would notice.
@@He_ldI’m 5’11, and I’m 16. Only gonna get taller, but meanwhile, Jose has maxed out his height.
Youre not wrong
Now that I try to read his lips he actually seems to have said “la camisa no” (not the shirt). Doesn’t prove or disprove anything but I guess certain “analysts” and especially Yankees fans of course are very conclusive saying that he said “I got a piece on”. But well even if altuve would have been speaking Korean people would be trying to find some English words in there that’d prove there was a buzzer.
He’s actually been doing that gesture since 2015
exacto, no dice i got a piece on, es obvio que dice la camisa no, pero bueno, es obvio que van a buscarle otro sentido, sobre todo cuando la gente que lo hace ni idea tiene de español
@@dffndjdjd Bregman speaks spanish and translates for the American players. Correa also got advanced training in English when he lived in Puerto Rico, because he knew he was going to be a pro baseball player in the US.
@@wyattsexton4132 lol bro everyone has absolutely hated Houston fans for nearly 5 years non stop. People do "fuck altuve" chants at minor league baseball games lmao
Ok we’ll just call him a liar then
This is a question many of us will face in life. "Everyone on my team is cheating, what should I do?" Letting everyone else cheat and calling yourself a winner is not the answer.
Brother, this man was bathing in a river. It's easy for you to sit on a high horse about it, but playing MLB was the only thing he wanted to do, and the Astros are the only team that gave him a shot. It's basically a miracle he got there in the first place.
@bobbymiller7242 My friend, I came from nothing, paid every penny of undergrad and law school working as a waiter, a bus boy, a construction worker, a bartender and at a 7-11. I reached the highest levels you can reach as an attorney. All the way, I fought cheaters, often, if not always to my detriment, and I assure you I earned a tiny fraction of what this guy has made. No one, not from any background, earns the right to be a cheater. That's not a high horse, it's life, I'm a human being and it was my choice not to be a cheater and I don't condone cheating.
@@blairtinkle4563 All humans, rich or poor, are sinful. At some point or another, we have all considered taking the easy way out, including you.
@@SpFlash1523 nah dont make that judgement about him. considering and actually TAKING that way out are two different things as well.
@@SpFlash1523but only Altuve is allowed to lie and pretend he didn’t? Total whataboutism on your part
He's a liar -- his demeanor when asked about the shirt, him switching stories, it's plain as day he had something to hide.
he’s just that good
The most baffling thing for me is having a cheating system that everybody can hear. It's like a student tapping the pen on his desk several times to give his classmate the answers on an exam in front of the teacher. Pretty dumb teacher if they don't notice.
They could just have bad tunnel vision and don't notice it unless they're listening for it
Players picked it up in June
Players were noticing, though.
well thats why they started transitioning to electronic patches / buzzers worn under the jersey. like altuve used the entire time.
@@wildboar1911A1 the fact that you watched this entire video and decided to comment this is kinda telling
It’s worth noting that he bounced back in a big way this season. He hit his career high in home runs with a .277 batting average, and he’s still as clutch as he has ever been in the playoffs.
And gave Chicago a big “FUCK YOU” in the 9th 😂
@@aaronscarpa7469 Altuve tends to have signature 9th innings, reminds me of the Yankees vs Astros ALCS 2019
Yes he did hit his career high but he tied his career high. Just specifying that he didnt set a new career high but he tied the one from 2019.
That just tells me he is quite comfortable with his cheating, that he has no guilt or second thoughts... tells me he likely thinks he isn't cheating. Its very unhealthy. And yes, I think he's a big time cheater... bullied? I don't think so... he's the cockiest piece of sh#t around. He deserves whatever bad press and the crowds hating on him. I wouldn't want someone like that on my team.
@@steverennie5787 Bro did you not watch the video? Altuve has always claimed his innocence, his teammates say he’s innocent, the guy that started the whole thing and broke the scandal says he’s innocent, and the statistics and analytics prove he’s innocent. You want someone to get mad at? You’ve got Bregman, Correa, Yuli, Marwin, Reddick, Gattis, etc. All of those dudes are big time cheaters, get pissed at them. Don’t get pissed at the one guy in the organization that didn’t go along with the scandal. That’s just ignorant.
such a good edit at around 5 mins when the song is on
subbed
Cheating is a stain that stays forever.
I like how this video is split into being the same story but told in different ways
It’s called a perspective
It’s called stretching 3 minutes into 17
@@corbenstanley8479 Perspective implies a shared level of detail...the point here, I think, is that the first half was people rushing to judge Altuve before all could be known and adequately explained
There's still a word for this, but dammit I can't come up with it lol
@@warlordofbritannia hypocritical?
@@TheNumberScott just because you can make a video shorter doesn't always make it better
I can’t believe how you can consistently put out such high quality and interesting topics. Thank you dude, keep it up.
I legit didn't realize how many great stories took place within baseball, glad to be following now
@Taylor Gardner then why are you here lmao
@Taylor Gardner lmao bro chill
I like to think this is the dateline or 60 Minutes of the MLB
@Taylor Gardner Sometimes there's updates that make sense to add on, but I agree, I hate people who just watch the office over and over
Even if those guys didn’t cheat, they’re still complicit in the biggest scandal in mlb history and barely got punished
Tbh I dont think they should be penalized for that. If we go with that logic, then we should penalize pretty much everyone who played in the steroid era, since they probably knew that some of their teammates were juicing but didn't do anything about it
just like every other team that cheated
what is he supposed to do? Rat on his team to the media? I'm sure that will help him land a new team in the spring...
@@tykeboy16 Mike Fiers did it and I respect him way more than Altuve or douchebag Bregman
@@andrewtaylor1492why would you not respect Altuve when he didn’t cheat?
nobody leans into a Chapman pitch like Altuve did unless they know what’s coming. Chapman knew that…which is why you see his smile like that. He knew he’d been had. and i don’t believe for a second that after hitting a HR to send a team to the world series all he thinks about is how a tattoo would look. Judge should have been MVP in ‘17 and Yankees should have gone to WS in ‘19.
Did you watch the video or did you just comment this?
So you’re surprised that Jose Altuve, one of the best hitters in the MLB, could hit a hanging slider? Have you watched or played baseball at all?
@gradyjones7017 no he isn't. Dude isn't even a top 30 player.
@@Dirtytanker he was less than 2 years removed from an MVP season. He was one of the best hitters
The best kind of reporting is a telling a true story everyone needs to hear even if they don’t want to. Good job man
Agreed, it can't be easy to be surrounded by cheaters but have to just try and keep your mouth shut and do your job, despite all the things people are saying to and about you. So it's nice to see him get some vindication with more proof than the accusations, whether people believe it or not.
@@LucianDevine where was the proof? This video presents only speculation
@@magicolmos Well, I did say more proof, but your point is fair. The video doesn't 100% prove that he's innocent, but it does provide more evidence to his innocence than the accusers of his cheating.
@@LucianDevine this video doesn't prove at all that he's innocent. It just speculates that the person making the video thinks he is innocent. He offers no proof just speculation
You should just say you’re an astros fan next time
This came out at a good time because a White Sox pitcher (Ryan Tepera) is now accusing them of cheating again
(Edit): Also, I’m a Cardinals fan/a fan of baseball overall so neither team means anything to me, I’ll take my historic 17 game win streak and go away until next year
Tepera is a little salty
Yeah cause they definitely didn’t score 6 at their own time place
Yah and it doesn’t make sense the white Sox put up 12 at their home game and out of 5 in the 2 games in Houston if anything they’re cheating
Tepera prolly pissed the stros off now
The managers have hated each other since the beginning of time, but you just can't rule anything out
Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Before crossing home, I think Altuve was saying “ la camisa, no”, meaning “not the jersey”
Yeah that is what he said
Yeah it was becuz of his wife didn't want other women seeing him without a shirt on
He did nothing and the 2019 run to the World Series was ligit
@@justinmendoza3568 Learn how to spell legit and then you can have an opinion
yeah not sure where he got that “i got a piece on” stuff from but it was definitely no la camisa no
To be honest it’s pretty crazy how good he is. I’m 5’6 145 lbs and cant imagine being good or strong enough to hit home runs
Roids help
technique is key
145 lbs can offer a lot of torque. You got to put your weight in the swing.
Like in boxing. Boxers are taught to put weight behind the punches to add more power.
I can imagine it for myself but only imagine
You could! Just mad practice and taking care of your body the correct ways.
2:18 it’s insane how much the fans impact the players!
Yall say yall dont see a tattoo but yall also didnt see any buzzer
He does not say "No, I got a piece on"... He said in perfect spanish: "No, la camisa no". This means: "No, not the shirt". Remember that the 2017 team had a bit more than its fair share of latinos latinos: Altuve, Correa, Gurriel, González and Bregman's spanish is also quite good.
Of course they would try and lip read what he said in English because a Spanish lip reading would mean he wasn't wearing a cheating device and he just didn't want his shirt to be removed! No! La camisa no! Is exactly what he said.
Crowd: “CHEATER, CHEATER”
altuve: *hits 3 run homer
They got lit up like a Christmas tree haha 😂. 400 ft 3 run HR off the closer was the final nail in the coffin.
On the first pitch too
best way to shut them up lol
Had to go to game 7 even when cheating lol
That was a glorious “fk y’all “ to all the haters.
As a Rangers fan back in 2013 that hadnt even heard about this scandal, thanks for putting this video out there. Idk if he cheated or not, but I never got that vibe from him once watching him play, interview, or interact with his team and others. I like the world better if I believe he didn't do it.
Excellent mini doc, great work. Altuve doesn’t need forgiveness, but an apology would be nice. I was guilty of wrongful judgment. Go Braves 2024
The Altuve situation is so crazy that when I went to Cooperstown All Star Village. We were sitting down waiting for our teams to be called when a team starts chanting “F Altuve” and banging on the tables. Some guy recorded this and posted it on Tik Tok. The video was later deleted and all the teams that participated in this chant were suspended and kicked out. There was more controversy’s that week to but that’s for another time. But still he was a good fielder but didn’t use cheats for that so I respect that.
I played in a tournament there when I was a kid. I’m glad it’s still a thing. I’m in my 30s now and still have my jerseys and a ton of pins.
My buddy threw a no hitter and I hit a go ahead home run. We lost in the semi finals though to the eventual champions. Wouldn’t trade that memory for anything.
@@Zack-kh3rb i took a team to the dreamspark tournament and got 2nd place. im 42 and going on that trip and watching my team play all the way to the championship might be better than any one moment for myself as a player. those tournaments are incredible experiences and the memories are the best
People are so sensitive
i remember seeing that tik tok
Nice to see even youth sporting events are ruined by sensitive adults.
The smallest guy took the biggest brunt of the hostility and negativity. He knew before the season started he was going to get treated badly and even get thrown at. And he took it all without whining or crying to the media or fans. He silently took it all, and it looks like he didn't participate. But he did know about it, and didn't say anything about it. And I can understand why he couldn't say anything.
*didn't say anything* fixed it for you
He lucked out, he had COVID season and the fans didn’t get to vent.
Usually the case…
@@CodyTres7 guess Justin Verlander can't make the hall of Fame 🙄
@@CodyTres7 I agree with that. Thanks for clarifying your point.
Just for the record: Forget about "I got a piece on", because he said, in the clearest spanish anybody can see: "La camisa no". That just means: "Not the jersey". And I'm just starting, BTW.
I wish people would watch the whole video before commenting
José Altuve is probably one of the best players I know because every time I watch him it is so fun to watch both sides of the field😊😊❤❤
If Carlos Beltran was indeed one of the masterminds behind the whole thing, then HE should be the face of it. Not Altuve. Say what you want but that’s my opinion on it. The fact that Aaron Judge had the audacity to say that Beltran didn’t “have to explain himself” for the incident after he got hired on to the Yankees’ broadcasting team really pisses me off after the way he trashed them just a few years prior.
"If Carlos Beltran was indeed one of the masterminds behind the whole thing, then HE should be the face of it." - I can't disagree with that, but baseball is a team sport and it wasn't like Carlos Beltran was doing this on his own. A fair number of other players were cheating as well. The coaches knew about it, the manager knew about it and certainly Jose Altuve knew what was going on. Even if Altuve wasn't cheating he went along with it.
So, I might agree that Carlos Beltran deserves to take much more heat than he has taken; and if he was the originator of the plan it wouldn't have bothered me at all if he had been banned from MLB altogether, but that doesn't absolve Jose Altuve for either cheating; if he did, or simply looking the other way, while his teammates cheated.
yeah forget all the best players on the team and manager that faced zero consequences, lets put all the blame on a bench player who hardly played.
@@Kwolfx Why should he snitch on his teammates when he knows the rest of the league is doing the same?
@@chesschad81 I never said he should snitch on his teammates. I said that if Carlos Beltran was the originator of the cheating, he deserved to be banned. I also said that Jose Altuve doesn't get any slack from me. I never heard that he protested or complained about this scheme. I would certainly have a different opinion of him if he did.
The rest of the league never beat trashcans or used electronic devices to transmit upcoming pitches to batters.
@@Kwolfx "The rest of the league never beat trashcans or used electronic devices to transmit upcoming pitches to batters."
This is at least the third time I've heard this exact statement used in this exact argument.
The Yankees and Red Sox both cheated and were caught by the MLB. No, they didn't cheat in the same way that the Astros did, but why does it matter?
What is it that makes cheating bad? It's the unfair advantage that it gives, is it not? Then how do you measure the badness of the cheating? I'd say by its effectiveness. If you're illegally using electronics to cheat but it's not helping you win games, (and it really didn't make the Astros hit better), is that really worse than a pitcher using illegal sticky stuff to make his pitches 10 times nastier, and actually getting results?
Every team in the league was cheating using sticky stuff until last year. It was statistically more effective than the Astros' sign stealing. Every team showed the willingness to cheat in this way.
With all that said: the fact that Altuve _refused to cheat_ on a team that was cheating, (even though he likely knew that other teams were doing it as well), makes him the most innocent man in baseball, in my eyes.
dude i didn’t even know you released this video and literally as a white sox fan all day yesterday i was trying to explain to people that the sox didn’t choke anything really. we just flat out got beat by a really damn good baseball team but the casual fan isn’t read for that conversation yet. tipping my cap to them boys in houston they can ball under pressure.
Those grand silames tho. Woof
@@chestrockwell1794 the red sox are playing mlb the show rookie mode in the playoffs right now my god they can rake.
@@hoodiegriffo have you seen the astros pitchers in the series? It's sad to watch almost. Or it leads you to wonder if the Redsox went back to sign stealing on those Apple watches lmao, I kid I kid.
@@hoodiegriffo my Astros clawed back yesterday just beware we no got down that easily big dawg
It was a good series. The Red Sox played their hearts out and exceeded expectations. They made Houston sweat. Congrats on a great season, Boston.
As a Houstonian I have never stopped chearing for the Astros. I believe you stick with your teams no matter if you win or lose. Jose is a good dude that cares about our city and community.
I don't blame fans that hate on the Astros organization as a whole but I would offer a point to consider. The use of gaining a competitive edge using video equipment was more of a wide spread issue than we are made to believe. The Dodgers, Redsox and Yankees teams have had their own sign stealing schemes used during the same time period but no one wants to talk about that. The Astros have been made out to be the scapegoat for sign stealing ... sent out to die in the wilderness. #2022WorldSeriesChamps
Well, Altuve can take solace in the fact he didn't end up like Shoeless Joe Jackson of the infamous Black Sox if nothing else.
If you know Spanish, you can 100% read Altuve’s lips saying “La camisa no, la camisa no” which means not the shirt, not the shirt…
Yup
He openly admitted to saying that. He didn’t lie for a second about denying he didn’t want his shirt ripped
I'm pretty sure it's English he's saying No NO I got a piece on. I got a PIECE ON!! He needed to make sure that the non-spanish speakers understood what he was saying. It doesn't make sense to shout only in Spanish.
@@drbryant23you can’t talk about not making sense and then talk about this widely disproven conspiracy theory as if it’s fact.
@@drbryant23 holy shit lmaooooo bro go to sleep.
100% Altuve wasn't saying "I got a piece on"
He was saying "La Camisa" (Shirt)
As in dont rip my shirt. But whatevs
He said exactly that in the video towards the end when he debunked the myths.
He said “imma pizza”
I can’t honestly see altuve saying anything else except “no camisa”
Yea I kinda doubted he was speaking English
Knowing your teammates are cheating and playing on the same team is still cheating!
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I'm a football (soccer for Americans) fan, but I decided to watch the last few weeks of baseball. And I got to say baseball fans can rival football for being some of the most toxic supporters. I'm actually amazed.
College football fans are much worse, see the tennesse game vs ole miss.
@yoda8802 not really, worse thing they did was throwing beers on field. College football fans are 100x more passionate about their teams
Let's be truly honest-most sports fans in general, no matter the sport, are obnoxious, especially the more die-hard the fans get
Y'all literally have fans called hooligans and riots and shit. Baseball fans don't fucking riot. A guy got murdered in brazil for accidentally scoring his own goal. You'd be hard pressed to find a baseball fan killing somebody for a game losing error, even in the playoffs.
@@xavierlavoie9264 go watch the Tennessee vs Ole Miss basketball game from 2 years before when Ole Miss did it to Tennessee. That’s the fact everyone likes to forget😂
Altuve should get more love
He does not say “ I got a piece on” what he says is “ la camisa no, la camisa no” (not the shirt, not the shirt) GET YOUR TRANSLATION RIGHT BROTHER!!!
The man is the perfect height to blast high fastballs because all he has to do is swing level and it's already underneath anything mid to upper strikezone
@pwm2001 okay
I know right? Haha the advantage of being short hehe
especially if you have the Crawford boxes 315ft away
@@rustyshackleford6637 look at his wrc+ and ops+, wOBA and xwOBA. he's good, with or without crawford boxes
@@jmac1851 Haha I believe it I was just adding a joke to the first comment. I'm a Cardinal fan but I love Altuve he better be a first ballot HOF. I was at the game he got his 1000th career hit in 2016.
He just won the World Series two hours ago, congratulations to him 🥳🥳
Houston VS ALL them! Go 'stros!!!!
as a dodgers fan, congrats to altuve!!!!!! after all the hate he’s gotten for something he didn’t do, he is now a legit world series champion
Still a cheater
@@nickcappetti1103 proof or it didn't happen
@@rodzila8314 the whole entire organization admitted to cheating wtf are you talking about? What proof is needed? He’s part of that organization correct? Win with the team cheat with the team your associates with everything with the team. He’s a fucking cheater. If he didn’t want to be known as one. Quit the fucking team.
guess what: knowing about a cheating scandal your team is perpetuating and not reporting it IS cheating
ok buddy
100%
@justnic keep washing your hands Lady Macbeth
@@ianitor ok buddy
so Derek Jeter is a cheater?
I think it's pretty well documented he resented and shut down taking stolen signs via trash cans. And dude is 5'5 inches tall and won the freaking MVP and is a multiple time all star, coming from a dirt poor upbringing that isn't even conceivable for the vast majority of Americans. The dude is fucking incredible. I hate the Astros and think the organization should have been severely punished. But Altuve is amazing and someone I showed to my short kid who didn't think he could be good at baseball to motivate him, and then he got really, really good. I don't think most people understand how insanely myopic, hidebound, and utterly resistant to innovation, change or difference baseball management is. For Altuve to make a team at all took a level of dedication and hard work most people will never even witness, let alone comprehend, let alone achieve, and for him to be on multiple all star teams and win an MVP award is just insane and won't be matched again for a long time if ever. Appreciate this dude while he is playing, because in all likelihood you won't see anything like it again in your lifetime. He is a freaking Unicorn.
It must suck to be the one guy who didn't cheat yet still be the one most harassed.
I feel no pity.
lmfao if you really think hes some saint that didnt cheat
really?
@@wtfyomom
They do. Smh.
@Ownerthekpwner
Proof that he DIDN'T cheat at all? Do you not realize it is impossible to prove that kind of negative? You cannot PROVE that Judge "didn't cheat at all" when he hit 62 home runs. Can you prove he DIDN'T have some super secret kind of injections to improve his bat speed? Or implants to give him radar vision? Or help from space aliens?
What we have is the fact that the cheating charges made against Altuve were not backed up by the evidence, which should be enough for any fair-minded person to let it go.
I remember seeing a documentary on Altuve where he worked out other tired and played bottle cap baseball. Along with him being short, he was an inspiration to me and I even got his glove
it’s disappointing because i looked up to him as well and thought he was a really good dude. Everyone makes mistakes but idk what to think about him anymore.
@@Jacob-es5tv not an Astros fan, but I truly believe that he should be forgiven, especially because hes been proven to not cheat. He was good before the scandal and now after. He was stuck in a shitty situation and had to stay quiet because of the team he was on.
@@suppressed_viii “proven he did not cheat” lol whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. They cheated for 3 years. He doesn’t deserve to be forgiven. Stole a MVP from Judge, doesn’t deserve the World Series. If Pete Rose is banned for life for messing with the “integrity” of the game but yet you have an entire Astros team cheating with a player driven scheme and that isn’t considering messing with the integrity of the game, then there is something wrong here. Either Pete Rose gets unbanned from baseball or the entire Astros roster deserves to be banned.
@@larry2281 I know it really sucks knowing that he played for a cheating team and he somewhat benefited from it, he didn't cheat. He's been doing what he's been doing since he started playing in the majors. And while I think there needs to be an asterisk on all the awards and records, he should be recognized for being a damn good ballplayer. Miguel Cabrera, one of the greatest hitters to have played baseball, thinks he didn't cheat. David Ortiz has said the same thing. Cheating in baseball has been rampant since the beginning of baseball. And if teams can get away with Spider Tack and other substances, then I'll let Altuve slide on this one. It's easy to get mad and angry at a face, especially if its the star of the team that did it.
@@larry2281 And Pete Rose shouldn't be banned from baseball. He should be in the Hall, just like Barry should. Only reason Bonds isn't is because of the media, and they love holding the only power they have. Pete Rose should've been unbanned for a long time now but beanhead Manfred doesn't do anything right.
I've seen so many people comment about players being caught up in their own feelings and acting like children. Well, how about the fans?? They can be just as childish, stubborn, and unwilling to listen about that as the players. This video I think helps that assertion with how the fans treated Altuve over something he didn't do.
When Altuve rounded third he said “ la camisa no” which means not the shirt in Spanish. Wrong information
i love how the Boston red Soxs probably cheated just as much but nobody talks about that
Yankees, Mets and Dodgers as well.
My uncle played for the White Sox in the 1990s. He said sign stealing from the outfield with a relay to the dugout has been going on since the 1970s at least. The pitchers and catchers know what to listen for and change the signs when they think something is suspicious. Sign stealing with binoculars has been around for 50+ years and all the teams know it. They needed a 'heel' and to get some media and stir things up (think bad guy, good guy like WWE) and the Astros were the perfect target: i.e. smaller viewer market, etc.
could not agree more!!👏👏
The red sox cheated in a different way that only worked with a runner on second so it had a much smaller impact than the astros every pitch
thats crazy, he did so well in the years leading up to their team being caught for cheating, then didn't do so hot after they were forced to stop cheating. must've been all the bullying i guess. smart thinkin
Sound logic until you realize how good he was in 2014, a year they definitely weren't cheating and were just a kinda meh organization in general in the midst of a rebuild
or in 2021 with a good season and an OPS+ of 127 (and was good enough to be an MVP candidate once again)
Or in 2022 when he had a stats on par with his 2017 MVP campaign
So him being good every year before the cheating and having one bad year after the cheating and then being on fire since means nothing
He got the tattoo in San Francisco but they never played in San Francisco? You know where Oakland is right?
Altuve doesnt say "i got a piece on, no" he says "La Camiza no"
It’s true
Doesn’t even matter. He was there, benefited, and never spoke up. Acquiesced. It’s like the felony murder rule. You participated, so you’re liable too even if you weren’t a robber or the shooter but only drove the getaway car.
@@ceebee8042 but almost everyone in the MLB cheats tho? So many cases of people and steroids SO MANY CASES of teams using PINE TAR. When the catcher goes to the pitcher to speak you always see them cover up their mouths so people cant read their lips and know what they are talking about why? Cuz they know people are watching and could relay that information to the other team you rarely see that in sports where players cover up their mouths so to me the MLB is a bunch hypocrites idk why the astros taking so much heat as if every other team was so pure and honest and they were the only rotten dirty ones.
Camisa*
Yeah, the video literally points that out.
This is a real situation is where since his confidence went down, his success went down. So when you feel like everyone is booing you (or know everyone is) don’t let it get to you. And prove them wrong.
This also happened with Josh Donaldson in his freshman year (I think) But came to be one of the best players in the MLB. And got the MVP award. Never give your hopes up.
Uhh, Donaldson hasn't won four MVPs. He has the one.
@@woodcutta6461 oops, I must’ve misclicked or something. Thanks for letting me know
Except in this case he can't prove them wrong because not matter what happened after those people still thought he cheated and doing great will not change their minds.
@@woodpeka4043
Except Altuve is actually a good guy. Can't say the same for Donaldson.
@@jimwerther BOTH are good guys. Just because like Josh is a hot head, doesn't mean you're a bad guy.
It's his fiery competitiveness. There's been hundreds of players through the entire history of baseball that are hot heads on the field. But outside are good people and teammates love them. A bad person is if they hit their wives or they assault or steal, etc. Not being a hot head in a game.
Even Billy Martin with the drinking and fighting felt so much remorse and tried to make amends, people still loved him.
And by the way... Even if he was an angel... He still let it go on.. He could have anonymously have contacted mlb as a whistle blower. He is GUILTY PERIOD bro.
in the first clip 0:45 looks like he is saying "La camisa no, la camisa no" which is in Spanish and it translates to "not the shirt, not the shirt"
Even if he NEVER participated in the sign stealing scheme, ( which I doubt ); Altuve was well aware of the cheating going on with his teammates . If he disapproved, as he claims , then he should have said something . One ( former ) Astro came clean . The others are weasels whether active participants or not . They ALL benefited from the cheating .
If he doesn’t want to be booed, he could demand a trade and tell people why !
literally look at his batting averages, they didn't increase with the trash can thing
Given the fact that he still smacks 400 ft homers on a team that has made 7 straight ALCSs, 2 rings 4 pennants, I don't think he minds the booing. And do you really think the most hated player in the league would receive better treatment from fans if he went elsewhere? I doubt it considering stadiums chant "fuck altuve" during games the Astros aren't even playing at.
In fact, if people actually wanted Altuve to receive punishment, it seems the best way to do that is to STOP booing. 😂
@@H3ROShazam5623 I guarantee you all 29 other clubs would want Altuve on their team and would instantly forgive him if he joins them
He did say something, he told his teammates to stop and didn't want to be apart of it.
@@samihtameez8584doesn’t matter. He *KNEW* his team was cheating and stayed quiet about it.
I recall that year 2017 that in the investigation that 4 players didn't like the trash cans....Altuve, Reddick, McCann, and Tony Kemp.
@@saberswordsmen1he still is a good kid
Someone had to be the scapegoat. It’s a shame it was altuve. I’m a Cleveland fan, I’m as critical as anyone about the astros sign stealing, but I don’t think altuve is the right guy to vilify.
Oh please. They fing cheated big time. F the whole scumbag cheating team.
It's easy to make the best player the scapegoat
When the Nats played the Astros in 2019 there were players from teams who said the Astros were stealing signs, they disguised their signs in Houston and The Astros couldn't hit worth a damn.
Even if Altuve didn't cheat(yeah, sure) he knew about it and went along. For that the guilt is shared equaly by all.
On a shite team, where he was still complacent whether a participant or not is worth the animosity *especially* and magnified when you steal an MVP from one more deserving.
That's why he's loathed.
Real title: All star gets caught cheating, BA mysteriously drops to record lows
I don’t see how you can look at all of that and say “he definitely didn’t cheat you guys”
At best the evidence is inconclusive and at worst it’s damning.
He's not saying "I got a piece on. No!"
He's saying "La camisa no! La camisa no!" in Spanish which translates to "Not the shirt! Not the shirt!".
He points that out in the video. 13:50
Yeah, hit a walk off home run off Chapman to send your team to the World Series and the first thing that comes to your mind is “don’t rip off my jersey” and “let me go to the tunnel to change my shirt before my interview”
That’s normal. Quit defending cheaters bum. Delusional Astros fans.
Dude stfu! Chapman sucks! Every Stankees fans knows that!!!
@@johnnierico9644 subject changers this is about the little dude that cheats.
@@tc1225 I saw. I commented too early lol. Thanks for pointing it out.
I can't say whether he did or didn't cheat, but if baseball is anything it's a long line of cheating scandals. Like the ways pro teams and players have played the system is so interesting.
That'd be a good video, a timeline of baseball cheating scandals just because the MLB has is probably the most consistently documented sport in U.S. sports history. and there's gotta be some juicy scandals that have faded into history. Great content dude, Your content is excellent.
Yea but the main reason people are angrier now is bc teams r using electronics whereas in the past if u could figure out the signs by ur self it was seen as semi fair game
Ok 47 seconds in - he's not saying "no I got a piece on" - he's speaking spanish and saying "no la camisa" which means not the shirt
You guys know Altuve speaks Spanish, right?
0:37 - "No! a me no le quites!"
Why was he saying don't take my shirt away from me in Spanish?
Because 1) They did it to him a few days before and left him bare chested. 2) His wife was not happy with that and made him promise not to do that again.
Case Closed.
"Case closed". 😂. My wife doesn't like me shirtless. I really don't think your case is closed.
@@damehal Yeah... watch the whole video, it pretty much closes it. My wife doesn't want me out bare-chested too, so I get it.
@@agstros I wasn't being serious. This case is far from being closed. He cheated for sure. The one thing this video does prove is that he did.
@@damehal Yeah, you definitely didn't watch the whole video then, because it clearly proved he didn't.
@@agstros You're pinning the fact that he didn't do it on his wife. Yeah I watched the whole video. That doesn't exonerate him. And the fact that he said it in Spanish doesn't exonerate him either. Why get a tattoo on your chest if your wife doesn't want to see you without a shirt?. Kind of suspect. Like I said far from closed case.
Lmao “I got a piece on” 😂😂 I hate the astros as much as the next guy but he’s really saying “la camisa no” 😂 (not the shirt)
Yeah. People forget English isn’t his most dominant language lol
@@brendan594 exacly. this man is so dumb bro, just assuming things.
@@Mthayn03 Watch the full video before commenting please. He explains how “I got a piece on” was incorrect.
Yes, that is exactly what the guy who made the video said.. in the video.
Ok so here "la camisa no" literally translates in English to "I got a piece on"
I was a much bigger fan of baseball when I was younger. That being said, I can't get enough of these videos... very interesting.
altuve actually was on the field for a good minute before going into the dugout, so he didnt rush for to hide
He went directly into the dugout
I love Altuve so much! He is the Heart ♥️ of the Astros! We don’t go around taking crap about other teams, so please just leave him alone. Y’all cry about your kids getting bully at school but yet the parents are doing the same thing.
Perfectly timed with Tepera’s comments today
😂😂😂😂😂
howd that work out for them? they got trash cans or cameras on the road?
I don't pay close attention to baseball, so context?
@@cbj4sc1 tepara acted like a little bitch when the white sox won one game. the next day they got shat on and lost the series
@@ligmaemperor7064 to be fair tho tepera pitched well the whole series
The tattoo could’ve taken two sessions no matter how small, depending on time restrictions or even excessive bleeding
Or if part way through he didn't like what he was seeing and wanted to go to someone else
You couldn’t see any tat and he changed his story and his lips seemed to make sense and the bandaid was kinda bisable
It was a thin word tattoo ….
@@avacadomangobanana2588 if you watch the video all the way through you can see his tattoo from a different angle in the same game. The video creator said that the view ur talking about is just a bad angle. Also if you watch the video all the way through, again, you can see that he says no camiza. Altuve doesn’t speak very good English, so it would make sense for him to speak Spanish
and the idea that his wife did not want him to take his shirt off still meshes with the tattoo story. If it was a bad tattoo his wife may not have wanted others to see it.
I’ll never forget it…
Yankee fans were heard chanting “F altuve” in the 4th inning of a game in which the Yankees were playing the tigers 😂
No seriously, Altuve is one of my favorite players because he’s a small guy playing with guys that tower over him proving that it can be done. You can be below average height and play at a professional level. I think the tattoo story is really rocky, I believe that he wasn’t actively apart of it but since he knew I think there should be repercussions. And to this day, I think the Astros organization is receiving unneeded hate since most of that 2017 team doesn’t have even play in Houston anymore. The manager is different, most of the coaching staff is different and they’ve made trades, brought up youngsters and made changes that, I think, warrant a second chance.
At :40 sec of vid, if you speak Spanish you can 99.9% interpret what he said: “La camisa no! La camisa no!”
“Not the shirt, not the shirt” in English.
Not “I got a piece on” 😂
Altuve has been elite yet again in 2021 after how dismal last year was. Unless the Astros have some new grand cheating scheme for hitters (which is very plausible but I have some doubts given how much more scrutiny theyre probably under from MLB officiating), I think that Altuve is just really good at baseball, regardless.
this man won batting titles, back in 2014, 2016. BEFORE the scandal. he’s a professional baseball player. if y’all actually look at evidence, the scheme hurt them more than benefited them. they were giving him bangs at his AB’s and you can look at videos of him getting frustrated with it. and if y’all believe he had buzzers, then y’all are dumb, for even listening to that fat dude jomboy and that women beater trevor bauer.
@@Devin03_ Astros fucked around and found out.They deserved all the scrutiny they are under. Sure, Altuve doesn't deserve this kind of treatment but with him being unclear and making it confusing really doesn't help him at all
Barry binds was a great player and an mvp but he juiced
Of course he’s really good. Never stopped other great players from cheating with PEDs or other things.
@@raz1683 there was nothing unclear or confusing about the curb stomping Altuve and the Astros placed upon the White Sox today
6:21 dudes beard 😂😭
That one of the guys against the cheating is wearing a Super Smash Bros Ultimate hat makes me happier than I could ever convey with words
He’s got 2 now
Altuve is thee perfect example of what "Heart over Height" looks like. Dude is the freaken man bro. Mad respect
I mean he is cheater
@@WTFTVJS Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video LMFAO
Look up how bad all the Astro stats fell off after 2019. That’s called circumstantial evidence my guy lol. “No evidence” my butt.
@@WTFTVJS did you not watch the video?
It's funny. I'm a lifelong Yankee fan, and I seem to be one of the few Yankee fans I know that never hated Altuve, and that honestly didn't believe that he specifically had cheated. I was disgusted with others on that team, like Correa, who was the most defensive and unapologetic about the whole thing. I didn't sense that attitude with Altuve at all. To the contrary, throughout the whole scandal reveal and blowback, he just seemed to keep his head down and stay quiet. He has always come across to me like a person who's had to work hard and overachieve his whole life just to get a chance to succeed, due to his height. It honestly made no sense to me that someone who had worked so hard like that would then decide to start cheating, so this video's showing of Altuve not wanting to be involved with the scandal doesn't really surprise me. And I truly feel for him getting the brunt of the malice, as the face of the team. The fact that he struggled so mightily in 2020 isn't surprising at all, having to live with that every day.
Even moments after he hit the 2019 HR against Chapman and I watched him interviewed, he just came across as a genuinely humble person (and mind you, that's how I was seeing him just minutes after he had ended my team's season - in other words, I wasn't exactly perceiving that at a time when I was particularly happy with him). I don't know if that's how he really is, of course - it's just how I've seen him.
Fully agreed - I feel like Correa and Bregman attracted most of the hate to the Astros, rather than Altuve
@@dennischen5367 It's the reason why I'm not sure if the Yankees should go for the guy this offseason even though he said when wants to join the pinstripes. Bad enough that Correa was in deep more than Altuve. Plus we already have an elephant in the room with the time when Beltran was employed by the team for few years after his retirement...
Tuff luck cause Yankees and the Red Sox cheated too
@@xgoodmemoriexx2502 red Sox were never proven to have cheated in 2018 and Cora was suspended for his Astros stuff. Get your facts straight.
Lifelong Yankee fan here as well and have hated only a few players and that was only briefly while they played against us. Time heels all wounds. For example I certainly don’t hate George Brett anymore, if I ever really did, as it was more fear than anything else.
Now as far as fans go, Red Sox fans in general I dislike, as they hate like no one else. Players on that team…it depended.
These days I couldn’t care less. I rarely watch any professional team sports these days.
This is the most Astro fan video I’ve ever seen!
What about the other teams who cheated?
I love this video.. but how many times you gotta repeat yourself? 😂
Okay yeah they never played in San Fran but they play Oakland like 3 times a year so it’s reasonable to go to San Fran from there
That part made me laugh, it really shows just how shitty online "investigators" can be.
@@tsarXadam lol I've done it myself its fucking 20 minutes.
Bro when he mentioned Oakland I died Lmaoooooo
Bro why would he go to San Francisco? He’s In Oakland traveling with his team
SF has a lot of good artists not sure about Oakland