Q&A: Short O and the AW sound, PLUS HOW to LEARN PRONUNCIATION!! I rant^^
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
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I make videos for EFL/ESL students. I'm from the US and my teaching focuses on American pronunciation and American culture. I hope my videos help you out^^ I love constructive criticism, but keep it nice!
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Good and interesting video Coach! In addition, I'd like you make a video showing the differences between "cup vs cap" or "hut vs hat" or "cut vs cat". Could you do that?
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Each and every parts of this video is helping me....Salute Coach
I have confession to make that I am really into your teaching style. Hopefully, it somehow can motivate U more enthusiatic with this. A big fan of U from now on. So obsessed with American accent
Just what I was looking for, except much more complicated than I had realised!
I train teachers to teach children to read and spell in English. I am British, but I often work abroad, as well as in different regions of the UK. I understand that this is different from teaching pronunciation of English to those new to English, but your video is relevant to what I do.
I want to help teachers teach young children to read words with the spelling 'aw'. Most British commercial phonics programmes teach 'aw' as an alternative spelling of ‘or’. But in some places I go, the regional pronunciation of ‘aw’ is more like the American pronunciation, so that does not work. I can allow for a few of what I call 'tricky' words, but it would be best if could be taught as an alternative spelling for something else. I had thought that ‘o’ as in ‘on’ was close enough, because children can “tweak” the pronunciation of words they read to what they know, if it is close. Now I am not sure.
I notice you say that ‘o’ is pronounced differently in ‘wrong’, ‘from’ and ‘on’. However, as far as I know, American phonics programmes for children teach ‘o’ as representing one sound.
Do you think teaching ‘aw’ as an alternative spelling for ‘o’ is close enough to work for teaching reading and spelling to young children?
New Englander here. We pronounce the words as follows:
everybody - C body - B
boxes - B
because - C
from - C
drawer - B and the 'r' is silent
wrong - B
soft - B
what - C
on - B
got - B
You are a great Coach. Thank you.
This information is really valuable. I think it would have been a good idea to create a separate video on how to learn pronunciation. This would have attracted more viewers that could benefit with this information. Thank you very much coach!
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Your pronunciation of "on" marks your dialect as north of the Mason-Dixon line, and your fronted pronunciation of "short o"/"ah" localizes it to the region around the Great Lakes. Where I live in Arkansas, "everybody" always has the "short o" sound (with secondary stress), "because" always has the "aw" vowel (with primary stress), "drawer" has the British "aw" sound followed by an "-r" offglide (making it rhyme with "door" and "sore" and not with "poor" [with the "oo" of "foot"], and especially not with "rower" [with long o]), "from" and "what" have the "short o" sound when stressed and a schwa (not a "short u") when unstressed, and in my dialect, "on" is the only morpheme that has a diphthong beginning with "aw" and ending with a schwa offglide that disappears when other syllables follow in the same breath group, as in "online".
As you probably know, some speakers of "standard American" do not distinguish "short o" from "aw". In the Deep South, both tend to sound like "aw" (often with an "oo" offglide); in the Northwest, both are almost always "ah".
It's fun trying to figure out where a person is from based on their pronunciation markers--word/phrase usage, too. I've been told it's actually easier to do that in the UK than in the US! And yes, the COT:CAUGHT merger is something I teach! I live in Vermont--a fairly strong sense of Bahston up here!
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This video is awesome! I really like it. It helped me a lot. I would like to share with my all students in China. Thank you so much! But one more question: Are there any rules can help us to know, when the sound will be the option A, B or C?
I like your “British accent ” !
Thank you Shane. It helps! But I think I will still have to struggle with those for a while until I can get to pronounce them right.
Useful video
Thanks
Thanks you so much, this video really helpful.
Very useful lesson. Thanks
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Thank you for this informative video! I was trying to figure out why my 9 year old spelled "Paw Paw" as "PoPo". 😊
Awesome!!
Great video, thanks! :-)
I assume we encounter the "u" sound for the words with "o" and "au" when the syllable isn't the main stress. I tend to pronounce From "FR'M", that's to say I consider there's no vowel in the word, even though a vowel sound is needed to connect the R and the M. I use this process for numerous words with specific final consonants. There's a slight change in the way I start the final consonant according to the vowel ahead.
I have one anecdote about the word "towel" : I asked one to a mother (living in Pennsylvania, 3 hours from NewYork by bus) and she didn't understand me because I pronounced 2 syllables, like 'Tawel. Even with a strong stress on the 1st syllable. The fact I considered "-wel" as a real yet soft syllable confused her. When she pronounced it, it was a one long syllable word : 'Taaahwl.
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Hi coach Shane! I'm a Cambodian and now I have some problems with pronounciation words like Don't and help and starter...I've been trying to pronounce R sound too but it seems doesn't work so well althought I watch your videos again and again. :( :(
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Thanks so much
I really appreciate your hard work and passion! However, I don't think there is only one single pronunciation for each of the words you've listed. First of all, the vowel sounds vary from region to region, even the ah as in hot vowel can be pronounced differently by natives; for some it' s an [ɑ(ː)], for others (including you) it's an [ä] similar to how the British pronounce words such as cat, man, land, Spanish (with [a]). Second of all, a native speaker's pronunciation of these words depends on the situation, the speed of their speech and whether the word is stressed or not. For instance, another American teacher, Rachel, says there are two pronunciations of "because" -with an [ʌ] or an [ɔː]. Have a look at the transcriptions the M-W Dictionary provides for because \ bi-ˈkȯz, - ˈkəz, - ˈkȯs, bē - \. Do you see how many pronunciations there are?! "From" can have the [ɑ] as well, "on" can be pronounced either with [ɑ~ä] or an [ɔ(ː)]. If you stress " what", eg "What? I can't make out what you're saying." , it is absolutely possible to pronounce it with an [ä~ɑ], but if you speak fast the vowel can be reduces to a schwa [ə]. As a person who's studied phonetics and phonology, I can tell you there's a huge number of possibilities and variations and you should never be dogmatic when it comes to pronunciation, especially that of English, which has such an extremely complex sound system compared to other languages!
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One thing really confusing me
I am a HongKonger
and in Hong Kong, they seems teaching us British English (i dun know why)
however our NON-native English teachers always use the wrong pronunciation, neither from British nor american
And they always mix two different vocabularies from British and american
like my classmates, they know a lot of British vocabularies but american
And this is what exactly happening in Hong Kong
soooooo funny, I like it....
Thank you ~~~
thnx
You are so fun. Lol
I am under the impression that “drawer” is pronounced with the aw sound , not the long o sound. Please provide some guidance. Thanks!
Funny teacher ...I wish I had like this in college Cruz my teacher is awful like rock he don't laugh at all
Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thank YOU!!!!
my tongue just floats for aw Wrong
What about the cot-caught vowel merger? I went to school in Texas and in Iowa, and I've always pronounced the following vowels the same way: dog, god, caught, ought, cot, awe, saw, rock, etc. I think most Americans today use the same vowel sound for them as well. Maybe it's different where you live, but I think you're in the minority nowadays.
😂😂😂😂😂 nice explanation
I would like you write in black color on the white board thanks.
Doctor: "Say AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
Patient... OOOOOOOOO unles doctor hits him with hammer... then he says "AW!"
Even the IPA symbol is round like O.
Thx 👍
Can I teach my kids the short o sound for all the spellings of the aw sound to make it simple and not teaching the aw sound at all
As most dialects in American don't use the aw sound
The VAST MAJORITY distinguish the Short O and AW sound!!! The "cot-caught" merger is a local phenomenon. As an English teacher, you should always try teaching your children the way American (or British--but that's not my channel) people speak. Teaching pronunciation is one of the hardest things for non-native speakers. But you have the internet to expose them to HOW it actually sounds.
@@coachshanesesl thank you so much
I WILL DISTINGUISH THE 2 SOUNDS IN TEACHING AS YOU SAID. YOU ARE THE BEST TEACHER EVER.
Aw sound can b pronounced as aa in America accent like most of the videos i saw
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We don't use that "short o" in Eastern Massachusetts, to my knowledge. To me, your pronunciation of boxes is bahxes.
Haha! And we don't use the AW too much here in California. When I say, "My daughter," that first syllable is almost the same as "Dot."
@@victoriahawes7118 In Eastern Massachusetts, dot is pronounced as dawt and daughter as dawtuh, so they are almost the same for us as well.
@@braemtes23 interesting! I love different accents..variety makes the world go round
@@victoriahawes7118oh really? What part of California are you from? I thought Californian English sounds like standard American English.
What about thought, ball, salt, do Californians in your area pronounce those words with short O's as well?
Matt Louer jeje,,he said Matt louder😅🤣
I put Webster Dic. on my computer ....I just cant understand why Google translate is on british accent ......Isn't google american ?? But i found that many online dictionary have wrong pronunciation ......too many of them .....by the way british accent is ga... lol
I've always thought the "aw" sound in drawer was pronounced as the "aw" in awesome
mistercrociato91 and by the way, would you pronounce drawer (meaning someone who draws, a designer) the same of drawer, i.e. a part of a dresser?
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I actually I have marriam westeren the advance learn's dictionary
Good morning.sir your teaching method is very nice.i wanna teach my son from you.he is only 6years old.if u plz give him on line classes.i shall b very thankful to u
Hi Usama! Unfortunately I don't teach kids! We only offer classes for adults and the content is not advised for children. The youngest person in our program is 16 years old!! But thank you very much^^
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Before this lesson I thought that Americans always speak with the mouth open wide, but now I realize that not all of them do it.
How about "what"? You've marked it as "C" but I can't find an explanation.
I feel like it's pronounced "wut" or "wat" according to the tone/intention we have. A high pitched, lazy and fast "what" sounds like "wut". But I pronounce it "wat" if I keep my voice low / normal pitched. Same when I articulate a question (What... did you.. say ? What... is this ?) where the meaning of the word "what" (or the object it refers to) matters more than the feeling/intention I attach to it.
I'm french btw.
I understand the British words, but my English of choice is American, bar none.
Why is that sound called the short u?
Just me because in general if there is a word with only a u in it, then that is the sound you will use (plenty of exceptions to be sure, but in general). Hence: short u
This is the same logic behind the other short vowel sounds: they are the sound made by the vowel on its on, typically seen in consonant-vowel-consonant words (pat, pet, pit, pot, and putt (like a golf putter-not put))
Of course, this name, short u, is kept for the sound itself, so when you encounter the same sound with a different spelling, then people will call it “the short u sound”. For example, notice sun has short u. Son however is spelled with an o, yet pronounced the exact same way. Thus, it is referred to as the short u vowel sound despite not having a u.
Other examples would be “said” - short e sound yet no e; spa -short o sound yet no o; women - short i sound yet no i.
This is similar to calling “ph” “the f sound”. It’s just a way to wade through the messiness of English spelling to discuss the phonetics.
This is too difficult to us. You have to be born in USA to manage all these pronunciations. I like american english more than british, but I think british english is more regular with u and o sound.
Good lesson
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on 이 A라는게 놀랍다. 즉 '안'이라는거잖아. 말하면서 보니깐 또 '안'이네.
I hate that /ɔ/ is used in British English instead of /o/ or maybe another symbol for words like "law". It ruins the purpose of the IPA in my opinion. If it's a different sound, then it should get a different symbol!
I live in England but I read like American beacuse is better than British.
pronunciation 里的 "nun" 发音不对!!! 他是美国乡下人的口音!!!
I really hate that American short o pronunciation. It's terrible. He is giving it too much of an 'a' sound.
Living in Korea i heard Koreans try to use that pronunciation and I had no idea if they were speaking Korean or trying to speak English when saying hot, coz they added extra soinds and it turned out something like 'haateh'
If someone said "haateh" to me, I would have NO idea what they were saying!!!
It's a matter of personal taste, really. I personally love Shane's accent and him dragging the vowel out the way he does actually makes him easier to understand (imo) than people who cut it short. There's some regional variation in the US in terms of how people pronounce short o (for some it's a really open bright 'AAAH' like Shane's, for others it's an 'AH' resonating in the back of the throat and some use 'AW' exclusively).
You heard Korean not English. "핫해" "큐트해" means It's hot or It' cute. ~~해
@@user-lg6fw6kj5q no i didn't, that particular example in mind was part of a water park advertising song, definitely English, confirmed by another Korean who was with me. but it applied to many other cases too
This is so confusing😭